[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 - September 17

[inthelongrun]

So far, only one thing is clear that four years have passed since the last fight between Canelo and Golovkin, and if Canelo has become stronger during this time, then GGG has become four years older, of course he should not be underestimated, but it seems to me that it is not worth expecting much either.

My same thought too. Although this is still a super-huge event, this is the type of fight that I can take a pass when there are other more interesting kinds of stuff to do. But if old GGG scores an upset or somehow makes the fight close then I will watch the replay.

It is pretty clear that Canelo over the years evolved into a different level fighter after becoming undisputed in super-middleweight and snatching a belt at light-heavyweight. While GGG obviously depreciated as a fighter and another thing is he will be moving up in weight too which I believe will be his first time to fight as a full super-middleweight.

[Japinat]

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Yes, Bivol and Canelo might face in the rematch. However, Bivol makes it clear that if that's not a title match, he will ignore Canelo.

Bivol's next target is another title and probably against Beterviev.

Canelo really needs tons of improvement to challenge these champions.

That is good and Bivol is reasonable enough though because why would he accept Canelo's request for a rematch if there's nothing in the line and it will be just a fight for redemption in Canelo's favor and nothing for Bivol if the Russian boxer will win.

An undisputed match in the light-heavyweight division looks interesting though two LHW champions with a flawless record especially Beterbiev who always win by a way of TKO or KO.

[stadus]

I quite remember that almost nobody, including me, thought that Bivol can really defeat and upset Canelo who is the heavy favorite at that time because we know that Canelo has already defeated one boxer in light-heavy. We also made some speculations that Bivol is kind of unfocused because his family was left in Russia when the war broke out. But Bivol proved to us that he can still successfully defend his belt given the situation he's on.

Sooner or later, Canelo and Bivol will again face each other for a rematch because super-middle is a kind of boring division to Canelo as he's already undisputed at the said division.

Very possible, he (Canelo) will collect his paycheck first from this division after facing GGG,

He already understands that fame will be followed by lots of money. He will be using his fame now just like the way
Mayweather did before retiring.

My point is Canelo and his camp will explore again after this fight and like how you predicting things, I agree that sooner
or later, he might be asking for a rematch against Bivol.

but for now, i want to see how will canelo perform opposite GGG. if in case he will lose from this fight, it is not the end of his boxing career. he may really ask for the re-match with bivol. as he already knew the power of bivol, he should know how to prepare for this fight to redeem himself, if he can really defeat bivol this time around. anyway, am looking forward for canelo and GGG's match. canelo is still the favourite here though.

Indeed, he is still the favorite as ore fans believes that Canelo can still beat GGG.

Bookies still favoring Canelo as they used in each fight that he has ever since he beat GGG, it's a good preparation
to bring the hype back and redeem himself after that defeat by Bivol.

He can use moving back to that same division and call for the rematch or he can explore for other options that he has
while he is still young and in his prime age.

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

[goinmerry]

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

If I remember it right about Canelo's contract this year, he is about to face 3 fighters this year until 1Q next year, Dmitry Bivol, Gennady Golovkin, and I don't know who is the 3rd possible fighter. After this trilogy, it's not recommended by Canelo's camp to meet Bivol right away and ask for a rematch as they think Canelo is not ready yet to face Bivol. Much worst if Canelo will lose this trilogy as his chance for a rematch against Bivol will now become slimmer.

For now, let's wait for the result of this trilogy fight. Just around a month to go and we will now see this fight that was hoped for years.

[Kemarit]

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

If I remember it right about Canelo's contract this year, he is about to face 3 fighters this year until 1Q next year, Dmitry Bivol, Gennady Golovkin, and I don't know who is the 3rd possible fighter. After this trilogy, it's not recommended by Canelo's camp to meet Bivol right away and ask for a rematch as they think Canelo is not ready yet to face Bivol. Much worst if Canelo will lose this trilogy as his chance for a rematch against Bivol will now become slimmer.

For now, let's wait for the result of this trilogy fight. Just around a month to go and we will now see this fight that was hoped for years.

Maybe it's Charlo or Beterviev or Benavidez. Probably the camp of Canelo will have to rethink their options after this fight. I mean it could be a disaster if they directly go to Bivol right away as you have said.

Barely a month now for this fight, the time is ticking, for sure as the fight gets closer, we will here a lot of hype, interviews, "experts" opinion on this fight as who will win, boxers predicting what will be the outcome and then we will see a lot of personalities in the arena itself.

[Sithara007]

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

Bivol may not agree to a fight against Canelo in the United States. Because his payment for the last fight is still blocked due to the sanctions against Russia. He may prefer fighting in the Middle East, but that may be unacceptable and financially unviable for Canelo. Bivol needs to fight in the United States, if there is a mandatory title challenge. But he is not going to do that for non-title fights. And I don't see a clear solution here. Bivol may not get any payment if he takes part in any activity inside the US. Another solution would be to move the fight to Mexico. I guess Canelo would be OK with that?

[TopTort777]

Beterbiev, rematch with Bivol. Why dont you consider Canelo loosing weight and going lower than super middleweight division? Why not even try Chris Eubank Jr from middleweight ? He could be a good challenge for Canelo.

And I am surprised people choosing Canelos next opponent, like he has already beaten GGG. It might turn that there will be a necessity to make a fourth fight, because it will be a draw and both will have 1-1 record.

[Baofeng]

Beterbiev, rematch with Bivol. Why dont you consider Canelo loosing weight and going lower than super middleweight division? Why not even try Chris Eubank Jr from middleweight ? He could be a good challenge for Canelo.

I don't think Canelo can make 160 lbs now, he has out grown this weight division. Although, the first and second GGG vs Canelo fight was contested on 160 lbs, but Canelo has move to 168 lbs and now they are going to fight in the trilogy at this weight.

And I am surprised people choosing Canelos next opponent, like he has already beaten GGG. It might turn that there will be a necessity to make a fourth fight, because it will be a draw and both will have 1-1 record.

I think they are just speculating as what will be Canelo's option after this fight, Bivol, Beterviev at 175? Or Canelo still going to fight at his comfortable weight of 168 lbs?

[btc_angela]

So far, only one thing is clear that four years have passed since the last fight between Canelo and Golovkin, and if Canelo has become stronger during this time, then GGG has become four years older, of course he should not be underestimated, but it seems to me that it is not worth expecting much either.

My same thought too. Although this is still a super-huge event, this is the type of fight that I can take a pass when there are other more interesting kinds of stuff to do. But if old GGG scores an upset or somehow makes the fight close then I will watch the replay.

It is pretty clear that Canelo over the years evolved into a different level fighter after becoming undisputed in super-middleweight and snatching a belt at light-heavyweight. While GGG obviously depreciated as a fighter and another thing is he will be moving up in weight too which I believe will be his first time to fight as a full super-middleweight.

I think it's more on GGG really going down as a fighter after their fight, but he still keeps on winning against B grade fighter at 160 so it's all good for him. I guess it's going to be debatable as how the careers of both of this fighters where. GGG just remaining on 160 and could be one of the best in this division. And Canelo having 4 belts from 154 to 175. Could be both though a sho-in for the HOF after their retirement.

[Japinat]

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

Bivol may not agree to a fight against Canelo in the United States. Because his payment for the last fight is still blocked due to the sanctions against Russia. He may prefer fighting in the Middle East, but that may be unacceptable and financially unviable for Canelo. Bivol needs to fight in the United States, if there is a mandatory title challenge. But he is not going to do that for non-title fights. And I don't see a clear solution here. Bivol may not get any payment if he takes part in any activity inside the US. Another solution would be to move the fight to Mexico. I guess Canelo would be OK with that?

Is that right? Didn't know about that at all because I thought that the boxing industry got that cleared including the issues of the fight that won't be sanctioned because of the ongoing war between Russia against Ukraine.

Well, if that is the issue right there then Bivol shouldn't agree to have a rematch with Canelo (if that will happen soon) if the fight will take place again on US soil. Mexico or somewhere in UAE will still be favorable for the both parties as I think money will always follow Canelo.

[Baofeng]

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

Bivol may not agree to a fight against Canelo in the United States. Because his payment for the last fight is still blocked due to the sanctions against Russia. He may prefer fighting in the Middle East, but that may be unacceptable and financially unviable for Canelo. Bivol needs to fight in the United States, if there is a mandatory title challenge. But he is not going to do that for non-title fights. And I don't see a clear solution here. Bivol may not get any payment if he takes part in any activity inside the US. Another solution would be to move the fight to Mexico. I guess Canelo would be OK with that?

Is that right? Didn't know about that at all because I thought that the boxing industry got that cleared including the issues of the fight that won't be sanctioned because of the ongoing war between Russia against Ukraine.

Well, if that is the issue right there then Bivol shouldn't agree to have a rematch with Canelo (if that will happen soon) if the fight will take place again on US soil. Mexico or somewhere in UAE will still be favorable for the both parties as I think money will always follow Canelo.

Yes, it is really very unfortunate for Bivol not receiving his purse, but he said that in May right after he defeated Canelo. So hopefully by this time he could have gotten his money already, I assumed.

It could have been sanction by the boxing body, but if you watch closely, the national anthem or Russia wasn't played  (which is the practice to play the national anthem of both countries) and he is even barred from carrying a Russian flag.

[goinmerry]

And I am surprised people choosing Canelos next opponent, like he has already beaten GGG. It might turn that there will be a necessity to make a fourth fight, because it will be a draw and both will have 1-1 record.

Part of the speculation and you just need to let it be.

Since Canelo has tons of advantages in this fight, that makes most speculators believe that he will win this trilogy fight against GGG.

And disregarding the result of this trilogy, it does make sense that people talk about Canelo's next opponent because it's unclear whether he will still push his journey at Light HeavyWeight or will remain in his comfort zone even though he's already an undisputed fighter on it and no more challenges left there.

[Kemarit]

I already anticipated that Canelo will still be the favorite in the bookies list this time but I expect that this time, Canelo won't have some help from the judges because this might be their final match, so a just and clean fight is really needed this time especially for GGG's situation.

But if Canelo will win this time then he can chose to move down or move up and challenge any boxer in light-heavy before he decides to have a rematch against Bivol as Bivol already said that he's not interesting to fight Canelo in a non-title fight.

Bivol may not agree to a fight against Canelo in the United States. Because his payment for the last fight is still blocked due to the sanctions against Russia. He may prefer fighting in the Middle East, but that may be unacceptable and financially unviable for Canelo. Bivol needs to fight in the United States, if there is a mandatory title challenge. But he is not going to do that for non-title fights. And I don't see a clear solution here. Bivol may not get any payment if he takes part in any activity inside the US. Another solution would be to move the fight to Mexico. I guess Canelo would be OK with that?

Is that right? Didn't know about that at all because I thought that the boxing industry got that cleared including the issues of the fight that won't be sanctioned because of the ongoing war between Russia against Ukraine.

Well, if that is the issue right there then Bivol shouldn't agree to have a rematch with Canelo (if that will happen soon) if the fight will take place again on US soil. Mexico or somewhere in UAE will still be favorable for the both parties as I think money will always follow Canelo.

Seems to be that the Middle East is the preferred destinations of most fight, the Usyk vs Joshua will be in Saudi.

So it make sense if ever Bivol will reconsider a rematch with Canelo, it could be good venue for the fight.

However, it's up to Canelo, he need to win against GGG first and we will see what will the plan. If he is chasing for a 5th world title then Cruiserweight could be his next, but who knows, if the money is right for a Bivol fight and then probably it will be their best shot.

[Sithara007]

Seems to be that the Middle East is the preferred destinations of most fight, the Usyk vs Joshua will be in Saudi.

So it make sense if ever Bivol will reconsider a rematch with Canelo, it could be good venue for the fight.

However, it's up to Canelo, he need to win against GGG first and we will see what will the plan. If he is chasing for a 5th world title then Cruiserweight could be his next, but who knows, if the money is right for a Bivol fight and then probably it will be their best shot.

Canelo won't be that interested. Hosting the match in United States is beneficial for him and the organizers in terms of increased revenue (gate collections, sponsorships.etc). That said, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are not bad options. There are a few advantages as well, such as the lack of taxes on ticket sales and endorsements. It is up to Canelo. He is the cash cow of boxing right now and Bivol by himself can't attract a lot of revenue in terms of PPV buys (most of the PPV revenue comes from the United States).

[Yaunfitda]

Seems to be that the Middle East is the preferred destinations of most fight, the Usyk vs Joshua will be in Saudi.

So it make sense if ever Bivol will reconsider a rematch with Canelo, it could be good venue for the fight.

However, it's up to Canelo, he need to win against GGG first and we will see what will the plan. If he is chasing for a 5th world title then Cruiserweight could be his next, but who knows, if the money is right for a Bivol fight and then probably it will be their best shot.

Canelo won't be that interested. Hosting the match in United States is beneficial for him and the organizers in terms of increased revenue (gate collections, sponsorships.etc). That said, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are not bad options. There are a few advantages as well, such as the lack of taxes on ticket sales and endorsements. It is up to Canelo. He is the cash cow of boxing right now and Bivol by himself can't attract a lot of revenue in terms of PPV buys (most of the PPV revenue comes from the United States).

Possible but what if rich nations Saudi Arabia offers big money for Canelo to fight there? He could be getting up front money but just showing in the gate and as you have said, he is the cash cow so definitely he could demand the money and if the Saudi organizers can afford that then definitely it's worth a try for him. They can still have the PPV just like in the AJ vs Usyk match, although the time difference could be a big factor.

[TopTort777]

It could have been sanction by the boxing body, but if you watch closely, the national anthem or Russia wasn't played  (which is the practice to play the national anthem of both countries) and he is even barred from carrying a Russian flag.

Beterbiev then can be a good option for Canelo. Right now Beterbiev has Canadian citizenship. Lives in Canada. So there will be no problems with sanctions, licenses, visa and etc. Beterbiev has belts, ranked 2 in lightheavy and is a knockout master. That could be a good fight for fans, and perhaps for Canelo legacy.

About comfortable 168lbs and 175 lbs. I am far from professional sports, but does it really make such a big difference for pro athletes? We dont need to go far, Usyk vs AJ was an example that less heavy but more technician boxer looked better.

[Baofeng]

It could have been sanction by the boxing body, but if you watch closely, the national anthem or Russia wasn't played  (which is the practice to play the national anthem of both countries) and he is even barred from carrying a Russian flag.

Beterbiev then can be a good option for Canelo. Right now Beterbiev has Canadian citizenship. Lives in Canada. So there will be no problems with sanctions, licenses, visa and etc. Beterbiev has belts, ranked 2 in lightheavy and is a knockout master. That could be a good fight for fans, and perhaps for Canelo legacy.

Yes mate, a Beterviev match is really a good option for Canelo. But I would say that Beteviev has more punching power than Bivol and he could be a great threat to Canelo at 175 lbs so it's a big risk for him.

About comfortable 168lbs and 175 lbs. I am far from professional sports, but does it really make such a big difference for pro athletes? We dont need to go far, Usyk vs AJ was an example that less heavy but more technician boxer looked better.

I guess it depends on how boxers are build, definitely one can go up in weight if his body can no longer squeeze the weight limit for a certain fight. But in this case, from 154 lbs to 175 lbs could be too much even for Canelo, he is not that tall to carry a weight of around 175 lbs. And then the speed, we can see that Bivol who is a natural LW as of this time was very comfortable and fast as compare to Canelo wherein he tends to be sluggish and slow and maybe this could be attributed to his body not used to carry that extra weight when fighting.

[Natalim]

It could have been sanction by the boxing body, but if you watch closely, the national anthem or Russia wasn't played  (which is the practice to play the national anthem of both countries) and he is even barred from carrying a Russian flag.

Beterbiev then can be a good option for Canelo. Right now Beterbiev has Canadian citizenship. Lives in Canada. So there will be no problems with sanctions, licenses, visa and etc. Beterbiev has belts, ranked 2 in lightheavy and is a knockout master. That could be a good fight for fans, and perhaps for Canelo legacy.

About comfortable 168lbs and 175 lbs. I am far from professional sports, but does it really make such a big difference for pro athletes? We dont need to go far, Usyk vs AJ was an example that less heavy but more technician boxer looked better.

That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

[coin-investor]

This article just comes out today Callum Smith is predicting that Canelo will beat Golovkin in a one-sided match and he even accused Canelo of waiting for Golovkin to age before meeting him.

Canelo waited until Golovkin was 40-years-old, and showed signs of age & decline before pulling the trigger on the third match.
Golovkin has looked like a shadow of his former self in his last four fights since the last time he battled Canelo in 2018.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08/callum-smith-picking-canelo-to-trounce-golovkin/

Callum has a point here, Canelo knows that their trilogy is going to happen and he wants it to happen as a rebound for his second loss, but the biggest question is what if Golovkin is fully aware of Canelo's intention and he trains and fights him differently, and what if Golovkin beat Canelo then he will lose his value in the boxing community and from there it would be a very hard climb.

[Vaculin]

And I am surprised people choosing Canelos next opponent, like he has already beaten GGG. It might turn that there will be a necessity to make a fourth fight, because it will be a draw and both will have 1-1 record.

Part of the speculation and you just need to let it be.

Since Canelo has tons of advantages in this fight, that makes most speculators believe that he will win this trilogy fight against GGG.

And disregarding the result of this trilogy, it does make sense that people talk about Canelo's next opponent because it's unclear whether he will still push his journey at Light HeavyWeight or will remain in his comfort zone even though he's already an undisputed fighter on it and no more challenges left there.

Right, let's just accept the reality that Canelo has more chances to win in this fight but that doesn't mean that he will be the one to be held as the winner of this trilogy because GGG can still fight and give Canelo a hard time. Either way, Canelo will still have to face other boxers because this won't be the end game of his career. Also, there is still this unknown boxer that Canelo will have to face this year or early 2023 because as far as I remember, it was written in the contract that Canelo will fight Bivol, GGG and the 3rd unknown boxer.