📯📍Rollbit | 2025/26 Champions League Pool | ⚽️ Discussion | ~$15,000 prizes!

[KTChampions]

I would be up for it if you do something like place much more emphasis on close score. That is the one that rewards knowledge most in my opinion. Correct score is big part luck while ML is looking at the odds.

Yup, same. I hate Superbru scoring method.
You end up picking 2-1 in 70% of all games because it's statistically the best thing you can do - and we all know it and do it.

I don't want to upset you, but with Pot B it will be the same. The results of the first season showed that the sure way to win the pool is to simply make reliable picks (odds 1.4-1.6).  Look at the math: everyone got 170 points. The one who kept at least 170 got into the money. The one who got an extra 30 points took first place. This is a depressing statistic, once again showing how easily bookmakers beat the very best.
Distance beats all who take risks. The math is that all picks should be boring regardless of the format.
As for me, I am for keeping both formats.

[notblox1]

Yeah, I'm almost all 2-0 in my EFL picks if anyone noticed. It's almost an exercise of just entering 2-0 for all my gut favourites, that takes me all of 20 seconds now.

I am waiting for the day when some forum member will release better fork of Superbru website.
We already have something you used for Champions League, and maybe that is a good start for some new project in future.

For me, the pull of Superbru is only the sponsorship money. If we were chipping in without it, I'd never play it.

I am sure we can have sponsorship deals on other websites, maybe even better.

I would surely play BSFL, Fantasy, CL Pot B, Goal Madness etc because these are actually fun. Superbru is for me just a nuisance, I honestly dislike even doing it.

And dont forget EFL Championship please 

[joker_josue]

I had an idea for the PIN issue. Since the PIN is a simple way to "log in" to answer questions, it must remain unique for each user. So I thought of the following:

When a user registers to participate in the season, they will automatically receive a PIN. But just as you can now use the PIN to edit your BTC address, you can also use it to create a new PIN.

To generate the new PIN, each user will be able to choose two sets of 4 numbers of their choice (e.g. dates or easy-to-remember numbers). The system will then automatically generate a 6-digit PIN from these numbers, making it unique but easier to remember. If you don't like the suggestion, you can ask for another combination until you find a PIN you like.

What do you think?

[buwaytress]

Sorry I won't reply to everyone. But I hope to address most comments. We are already working on some things. josue has prepared some initial releases and I'll be testng them this week.

I can safely summarise at least two things from the ongoing discussions here:

1. There is some demand for an alternative. BSFL, Pot B demonstrates an eagerness from the forum for something a bit more engaging, and forum-made. Superbru system should stay, and only if we provide a better, more competitive alternative should we consider putting everything into our own platform. For this, we're thinking of more weighted rewards that favour risk-taking and reward really accurate/well-researched predictions.

2. As KTChampions also pointed out, any and every system eventually is "figured out". I agree, after 2 editions, and especially after the penalty system was introduced, it is clear that the safest picks is the leading strategy even in Pot B.

So we now have to work out how to balance both pots. In Pot A, there is a clear need to better reward risk-taking, and accuracy. In Pot B, there should perhaps be more incentive to risk, or a smaller penalty.

There are other things we're considering but we won't mention it until we test more.

To generate the new PIN, each user will be able to choose two sets of 4 numbers of their choice (e.g. dates or easy-to-remember numbers). The system will then automatically generate a 6-digit PIN from these numbers, making it unique but easier to remember. If you don't like the suggestion, you can ask for another combination until you find a PIN you like.

What do you think?

I doubt anyone will like this. The issue really is that people can't remember a PIN/password, no matter how easy =) So we have to provide traditional solutions here.

1. The default will be the PIN as we do now. And we can recommend they bookmark, and add this pin to their bookmark on their local device info.
2. For users who think they will forget the PIN, they can go for an optional straightforward account creation with email recovery. I don't want this, but if it is optional, then we satisfy both types of users.

P.S. Actually fairly easy to implement is Web3 login, which is something I'd consider but some of us are Bitcoin-only people... and it's a barrier for entry for new people.

[cryptofrka]

I had an idea for the PIN issue. Since the PIN is a simple way to "log in" to answer questions, it must remain unique for each user. So I thought of the following:

When a user registers to participate in the season, they will automatically receive a PIN. But just as you can now use the PIN to edit your BTC address, you can also use it to create a new PIN.

To generate the new PIN, each user will be able to choose two sets of 4 numbers of their choice (e.g. dates or easy-to-remember numbers). The system will then automatically generate a 6-digit PIN from these numbers, making it unique but easier to remember. If you don't like the suggestion, you can ask for another combination until you find a PIN you like.

What do you think?

Why don't we simply use the 4-digits pin to create individual 8-digit pins? I think that the chances that 2 out of 40-ish people create the same pin is extremely low.
I guess people will not use 00000000 or 11111111 because their brain can't remember anything else. Right, Igebotz?

[joker_josue]

I doubt anyone will like this. The issue really is that people can't remember a PIN/password, no matter how easy =) So we have to provide traditional solutions here.

1. The default will be the PIN as we do now. And we can recommend they bookmark, and add this pin to their bookmark on their local device info.
2. For users who think they will forget the PIN, they can go for an optional straightforward account creation with email recovery. I don't want this, but if it is optional, then we satisfy both types of users.

P.S. Actually fairly easy to implement is Web3 login, which is something I'd consider but some of us are Bitcoin-only people... and it's a barrier for entry for new people.

I agree. In the end, we may be wasting time developing alternative ways to log in, which we could be using to develop more interesting things for the platform.

To simplify, I will try to create an option for the user to add a page to favorites as long as the title includes the PIN. Maybe it will help minimize the loss.

[slaman29]

I like this idea the most. Make it like now, create the PIN automatically, but also ask the person if they want to optionally link it to email? Make it all on the same signup page. Then solves everybody problem for everyone.

BTW Are you guys gonna do the Superbru style thing without Superbru? What if all the pools started using this solution?

[LTU_btc]

BTW Are you guys gonna do the Superbru style thing without Superbru? What if all the pools started using this solution?

You mean their own platform that we used for Pot B? It's not that I'm against, but do we really need it as long as we have working options? Superbru has some disadvantages, but onbthe other hand their app and email notifications is convenient thing.

[KTChampions]

BTW Are you guys gonna do the Superbru style thing without Superbru? What if all the pools started using this solution?

You mean their own platform that we used for Pot B? It's not that I'm against, but do we really need it as long as we have working options? Superbru has some disadvantages, but onbthe other hand their app and email notifications is convenient thing.

Superbru top with their notifications, especially how persistent they are 
As for Pot B, I like the format, but as I wrote above, everything will be calculated, now I don’t know which format is better. Maybe SuperBru is optimal in the sense that it requires a minimum of time, it attracts the maximum number of participants. But some of the pools should definitely be in experimental formats, for those who have the time and desire for research.

[slaman29]

BTW Are you guys gonna do the Superbru style thing without Superbru? What if all the pools started using this solution?

You mean their own platform that we used for Pot B? It's not that I'm against, but do we really need it as long as we have working options? Superbru has some disadvantages, but onbthe other hand their app and email notifications is convenient thing.

Superbru top with their notifications, especially how persistent they are 
As for Pot B, I like the format, but as I wrote above, everything will be calculated, now I don’t know which format is better. Maybe SuperBru is optimal in the sense that it requires a minimum of time, it attracts the maximum number of participants. But some of the pools should definitely be in experimental formats, for those who have the time and desire for research.

I was just pointing out in the recent game of Bayern how superbru gave us all 1 point from 1:0 to 8:0 predictions and Trofo who picked 9:0 only got 1.5 points.

That is the whole superbru system that doesn't reward you for being brave. It rewards safe picks. Also, Superbru is buggy anyway and always calculates wrong for a while before correct shows up.

The reminders are nice but we all use forum notification anyway right

What if, Pot B style also has Superbru style, then it saves even more time everyone just goes in and does all picks on one platform.

[slaman29]

Hello did I hear you guys have something prepared to replace Superbru already? Will it be in use for new season now? Heard rumor that something is coming, maybe this is the final death of Superbru 

And how much are the fees gonna be for this one? Hopefully not so high, but I will pay whatever is gonna be set. September seems far away for group phase but I bet you it will come faster than we feel.

[buwaytress]

The rumours are true.

A brand new format to replace Superbru. A combined single pot of prizes. Improvements and adjustments to provide what we hope to be the most competitive and fair predictions format for Champions League on Bitcointalk! Our PHP maestro joker_josue is already hard at work to build the new platform, taking into account user feedback and requests (mainly the Superbru element that we'll now integrate).

On the sponsor front, I can't share any news yet but we hope they're pretty excited about the self-hosted platform we'll be using to host this pool. We will definitely be able to secure something -- as to how much, let's just wait and see

I've updated OP but it's all tentative information. Fees will likely be set at 0.5mbtc. When we first started, fees were $30 and went all the way up to $60... if BTC price holds steady until September, this should still mean we maintain a $60 entry fee.

Tagging last season's participants so you can prep yourselves and maybe even try and bring more people in. The bigger the pool grows, the more we can benefit sponsors, and the more we'll be able to attract as prizes.

Code:

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[cryptofrka]

Excited to test a better version of Superbru predictions. I hate their format, it can be way more interesting with minor points corrections.
Let's see what you have in store.

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Just to add - CL is the cream of football. I vote for (minimum) 1mBTC buyins. Will play whatever you decide though.

[joker_josue]

Well, I'm no master at PHP, maybe a good idealist. 

I triedI'm going to try to make the result the best possible from day one. But, always ready to improve. All together we can make things even more exciting.

[notblox1]

A brand new format to replace Superbru. A combined single pot of prizes. Improvements and adjustments to provide what we hope to be the most competitive and fair predictions format for Champions League on Bitcointalk! Our PHP maestro joker_josue is already hard at work to build the new platform, taking into account user feedback and requests (mainly the Superbru element that we'll now integrate).

This was something many of us have been waiting for!
Mister buwa was secretly working on this on this underground project, and we area ready to test it soon.
You know you can count me in and spending my bitcoin to participate in this pool.
I think 0.5 mbtc or 0.75 mbtc is ok for me as fee, but anything you choose is good.

[KTChampions]

Excited to test a better version of Superbru predictions. I hate their format, it can be way more interesting with minor points corrections.
Let's see what you have in store.

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Just to add - CL is the cream of football. I vote for (minimum) 1mBTC buyins. Will play whatever you decide though.

I agree on all points. I also want to try something very different from superbru.
As for the fee, given that all other pools have reduced the buy-in to 0.5, why not leave it at 1 mbtc? The Champions League is truly a battle royale, why not have a slightly higher buy-in. For those who participate in many pools the difference will be insignificant, for example if the number of pools is 7 then it will literally be the difference between 3.5 and 4 mbtc.

[nelson4lov]

I haven't won anything from previous pools but I'm still going to participate because these pools are hella fun and it spices up those UCL matchdays for me. I'll try my best to enter the new pool. Also, the .5mbtc entry fee. There has to be a balance of the fee so we can get as much participants as possible. Because at the end of the day, the more, the merrier.

[buwaytress]

Frka, KTC,

That was my initial thought as well, if I'm honest, and such a difficult line to tread. 1mbtc is what I feel is what the pool deserves, on the other hand, if lowering it allows more participants, that's also not a bad thing to get. On the other hand, I understand some pools had people who joined purely to try and get the money without actually contributing (I'm talking about FPL but don't really know the details as I admit I was one of the inactive ones early on) to the banter and discussions -- which in the end, is the true value of the pool, both to the forum and to the sponsor.

But now that I actually see people saying like you: Perhaps, if we say 0.75 mbtc as a minimum, only to reflect the "premiumness" of UCL, a bit more than a "standard" pool.

Given that FPL is 1mbtc, this should be a no-brainer to join. Less demanding on player time, with every week still an opportunity to trip up or catch up?

[darxiaomi]

I support the 1mbtc for the main pools, and the mains are English Premier League, Fantasy Premier LEague and Champions League.

In this particular case i dont see clearly how much people is gonna join lowering the entry fee to 0.75mbtc because of the people in the forum can already paid both, they dont take part because they dont want to do, and has nothing to do with the fee in the end.

They are lazy or just dont interested.

[cryptofrka]

Generally, I feel that the entry fee should be big enough for us to care. For some even 5mBTC won't be that though, but let's say that most of us get the entry fee from 1 week of sig campaign participation, 2 maximum.
With a budget of ~5 mBTC (which is 2 months of sig campaign even to those in lower paying campaigns) you can basically play all the pools - and for me it's a minimum of what we owe to the companies that are sponsoring it all.

Yeah - might sound a bit much individually - but there's a high chance to at least break even. Most of the pools even start you with a freebet that is 50% of the total buy-in.

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I really don't want to sound rough - but the only way the sponsorships keep coming is if we do our part. Discussing, contributing, being willing to pay the buy-in for the benefit of everybody involved.
A lot of people work hard to get these sponsorships and to organize pools - and the sponsors are often tracking those metrics.