Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[Baofeng]

Ok just to make it formal:

"On November 14, 2022, TGB Promotions applied for special permission on behalf of Spence to fight Thurman in February 2023, but with specific mandatory conditions. Pursuant to WBA rule C.16, which states that mandatory defense periods can be modified for cause, either by special permission request or on its own initiative, the WBA decided that Spence can face Thurman," the WBA stated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-vs-keith-thurman-title-fight-approved-by-wba--170619

So this fight has been sanctioned by the WBA already, one of Spence belt, and now that we have 2 bodies already, WBC + WBA and perhaps the IBF will follow suit with the mandatory fight order as well.

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

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[agustina2]

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

I'm not aware that there's currently a regular welterweight champion in the WBA right now.

If that's the case then after Crawford and Spence's respective fights, and let's say they have won it, it's still not clear that they will meet next year. I doubt Crawford will wait for long after his fight next month if this fight between Spence and Thurman will happen on February 2023.

But possibly, there is still a chance for Crawford and Spence to face each other in the last quarter of 2023.

Although the story will be changed if Thurman was able to upset Spence.

[goinmerry]

There's no betting odds now but you are right, Spence might be a slight favorite only because Thurman is a good boxer too, even better than Ugas I believe. However, if Bookies will make Thurman and heavy underdog, for sure no one would complain as many will take advantage of the opportunity to bet on Thurman. I guess 3/1 odds for Thurman would make the bettors get tempted to bet on him.

There are no betting odds yet because that wasn't official. But I think as I'm posting this, it's now official and there's a release date now. Or anyone can share the official announcement of this fight?

As far as my speculation is concerned, this will be my forecast on their odds once bookies now finally released it:

Errol Spence Jr @ 1.5
Keith Thurman @ 3

[Fredomago]

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

I'm not aware that there's currently a regular welterweight champion in the WBA right now.

If that's the case then after Crawford and Spence's respective fights, and let's say they have won it, it's still not clear that they will meet next year. I doubt Crawford will wait for long after his fight next month if this fight between Spence and Thurman will happen on February 2023.

But possibly, there is still a chance for Crawford and Spence to face each other in the last quarter of 2023.

Although the story will be changed if Thurman was able to upset Spence.

If that happen and Thurman upset Spence then we might hear noise or hypes for the call of Crawford and Thurman and surely both fighters will sit and negotiate, Thurman is hunger for the title and he will do his best to unify all of it if chances permits him and same with Crawford he also wanted to be the best from this division.

On the other note, Spence and Crawford are also possible if both will win from their respective fights.

It will be a huge hype not just for the ticket sales but more on PPV, as the fans wanted them both inside the ring and to prove who's really the best between them.

[yazher]

On the other note, Spence and Crawford are also possible if both will win from their respective fights.

It will be a huge hype not just for the ticket sales but more on PPV, as the fans wanted them both inside the ring and to prove who's really the best between them.

Maybe their fights will have a high chance to happen if they gonna easily beat their opponent and that will leave no choice but they need to step in the ring to fight against each other to prove to everyone who is the best boxer in this era. They really need to settle this one because the other fighters like GGG and Canelo already put their rivalry to an end after their last fight. But these two still hard to get the right negotiation to make the fight. Maybe because one of them cannot really sacrifice his 0 lost for an opponent that has a higher chance to stop him.

[Kelvinid]

On the other note, Spence and Crawford are also possible if both will win from their respective fights.

It will be a huge hype not just for the ticket sales but more on PPV, as the fans wanted them both inside the ring and to prove who's really the best between them.

Maybe their fights will have a high chance to happen if they gonna easily beat their opponent and that will leave no choice but they need to step in the ring to fight against each other to prove to everyone who is the best boxer in this era. They really need to settle this one because the other fighters like GGG and Canelo already put their rivalry to an end after their last fight. But these two still hard to get the right negotiation to make the fight. Maybe because one of them cannot really sacrifice his 0 lost for an opponent that has a higher chance to stop him.

I don't think the PPV sales were the problem on why their fight did not happen, IMO, even without fighting a challenger before they will fight, they can already make a lot of money from PPV sales. Well, since this is gonna happen, then let's hope both Spence and Crawford will win their respective fight, otherwise, the hype will die.

Thurman vs Crawford, this one is big as well.

[btc_angela]

On the other note, Spence and Crawford are also possible if both will win from their respective fights.

It will be a huge hype not just for the ticket sales but more on PPV, as the fans wanted them both inside the ring and to prove who's really the best between them.

Maybe their fights will have a high chance to happen if they gonna easily beat their opponent and that will leave no choice but they need to step in the ring to fight against each other to prove to everyone who is the best boxer in this era. They really need to settle this one because the other fighters like GGG and Canelo already put their rivalry to an end after their last fight. But these two still hard to get the right negotiation to make the fight. Maybe because one of them cannot really sacrifice his 0 lost for an opponent that has a higher chance to stop him.

I don't think the PPV sales were the problem on why their fight did not happen, IMO, even without fighting a challenger before they will fight, they can already make a lot of money from PPV sales. Well, since this is gonna happen, then let's hope both Spence and Crawford will win their respective fight, otherwise, the hype will die.

Thurman vs Crawford, this one is big as well.

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. As far as skills goes, Crawford might have a little advantage. But we shouldn't be forgetting that Thurman was once the biggest crowd in the welterweight division until he get injured and it took him a while before he make a comeback and then when he lost to Manny, it seems that he is done already. But he won against Barrios, so let's see if he still has something inside of him to bring back those days when he is taking over this division. He is not that old, he just need to bring back his mentally in the game.

[Baofeng]

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

I'm not aware that there's currently a regular welterweight champion in the WBA right now.

Yes, you can check it out on their website:



https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-champions#.Y30odn1By3A

And that's what really confusing right now, worst is the WBC, wherein they have the a lot of champion categories, regular champion, interim champion, diamond champion, champion in recess, etc. etc. hehehe.

Let's see if WBA can impose their will to just have one champion in their 147 lbs.

[Kelvinid]

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. A

True, Crawford did not dominate Porter although he won the fight, so we can expect that Crawford will have a tougher fight against Thurman because IMO, Thurman is way better than Porter. In terms of stamina, I believe Thurman still has it, so I'm not really sure if what the majority think will happen, I guess we are going to see an upset.

[YOSHIE]

My personal take. This fight will happen since this is a big fight and should be very easy for Spence. Spence should be able to stop this past-prime version of Thurman or at least win an easy unanimous decision if he wants to stay safe.

At first glance I see Thurman continuing to practice to anticipate and hone his skills, if Thurman & Spence officially box in the ring in the future, Thurman understands quite well some of Errol Spence's attacks on his opponent.

I remember that at that time Thurman had refused Spence's offer, but if you look at the events that have happened between the two of them, it is clear whether this boxing is official or not depends on Errol Spence's decision, if he hadn't made fun of or held a grudge against Thurman a while ago.

Some experts and boxing experts predict, if Errol Spence forgets what happened between the two and Errol Spence doesn't hold grudges and is selfish in this boxing, of course he will get the best ticket to fight Thurman in the future, that's all if Spence doesn't change his mind.

[Japinat]

Ok just to make it formal:

"On November 14, 2022, TGB Promotions applied for special permission on behalf of Spence to fight Thurman in February 2023, but with specific mandatory conditions. Pursuant to WBA rule C.16, which states that mandatory defense periods can be modified for cause, either by special permission request or on its own initiative, the WBA decided that Spence can face Thurman," the WBA stated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-vs-keith-thurman-title-fight-approved-by-wba--170619

So this fight has been sanctioned by the WBA already, one of Spence belt, and now that we have 2 bodies already, WBC + WBA and perhaps the IBF will follow suit with the mandatory fight order as well.

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

This makes things more interesting because Spence is now more oblige to fight Thurman, he obviously cannot make some priorities on that revenge that he might be wanted because that will be an expensive mistake that will cost him 2 belts and there's a high chance that the IBF will follow as well, if that happens, all 3 belts is now on the line. Keith will surely be excited because things are getting into his favor, now the only thing he needed to do is to defeat Spence.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well I think this fight is going to raise a lot of spirits and it is likely that a lot of action can be seen, I don't think it will be a fight where both take care of each other, I think it will have much more action, I don't know at this moment who to decide to make a bet, because Spence is a boxer with a very good technique, and I wanted to see the fight between him and Crawford, but unfortunately it will not happen, but I see that both boxers have squared their fights very well and this is something that is very good, for me this has many things in common, I think that both Crawgford and Spence, if they come out winners, should make that excellent fight that we all want, it remains to be seen how all this continues to develop.

Ok just to make it formal:

"On November 14, 2022, TGB Promotions applied for special permission on behalf of Spence to fight Thurman in February 2023, but with specific mandatory conditions. Pursuant to WBA rule C.16, which states that mandatory defense periods can be modified for cause, either by special permission request or on its own initiative, the WBA decided that Spence can face Thurman," the WBA stated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-vs-keith-thurman-title-fight-approved-by-wba--170619

So this fight has been sanctioned by the WBA already, one of Spence belt, and now that we have 2 bodies already, WBC + WBA and perhaps the IBF will follow suit with the mandatory fight order as well.

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

This makes things more interesting because Spence is now more oblige to fight Thurman, he obviously cannot make some priorities on that revenge that he might be wanted because that will be an expensive mistake that will cost him 2 belts and there's a high chance that the IBF will follow as well, if that happens, all 3 belts is now on the line. Keith will surely be excited because things are getting into his favor, now the only thing he needed to do is to defeat Spence.

Well I think this is as I say, first you must prioritize everything that has to do with the commitments acquired, if there is something that I have learned as a athlete is that one must be made first with your fight, the one that has the closest, time Then all the occupies that are, there is no other, if they get to see and bsucar more things to complicate the fight is something that is not very well seen, as a good sponsor should know that, I know that now Spence is in a very Good level and that things can be given quickly, after the failed attempt Pro crawdord is something that has to be taken into consideration, Spence is a difficult boxer.

[Questat]

Ok just to make it formal:

"On November 14, 2022, TGB Promotions applied for special permission on behalf of Spence to fight Thurman in February 2023, but with specific mandatory conditions. Pursuant to WBA rule C.16, which states that mandatory defense periods can be modified for cause, either by special permission request or on its own initiative, the WBA decided that Spence can face Thurman," the WBA stated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-vs-keith-thurman-title-fight-approved-by-wba--170619

So this fight has been sanctioned by the WBA already, one of Spence belt, and now that we have 2 bodies already, WBC + WBA and perhaps the IBF will follow suit with the mandatory fight order as well.

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

This makes things more interesting because Spence is now more oblige to fight Thurman, he obviously cannot make some priorities on that revenge that he might be wanted because that will be an expensive mistake that will cost him 2 belts and there's a high chance that the IBF will follow as well, if that happens, all 3 belts is now on the line. Keith will surely be excited because things are getting into his favor, now the only thing he needed to do is to defeat Spence.

There's nothing to worry about that this fight will not happen because both boxers will certainly find a way to make sure it will happen. Thurman should be happy with this fight, after his comeback win, now he is going to fight the champion and he will have a chance to win that belts.

[inthelongrun]

My personal take. This fight will happen since this is a big fight and should be very easy for Spence. Spence should be able to stop this past-prime version of Thurman or at least win an easy unanimous decision if he wants to stay safe.

At first glance I see Thurman continuing to practice to anticipate and hone his skills, if Thurman & Spence officially box in the ring in the future, Thurman understands quite well some of Errol Spence's attacks on his opponent.

I remember that at that time Thurman had refused Spence's offer, but if you look at the events that have happened between the two of them, it is clear whether this boxing is official or not depends on Errol Spence's decision, if he hadn't made fun of or held a grudge against Thurman a while ago.

Some experts and boxing experts predict, if Errol Spence forgets what happened between the two and Errol Spence doesn't hold grudges and is selfish in this boxing, of course he will get the best ticket to fight Thurman in the future, that's all if Spence doesn't change his mind.

I know that prime Thurman is capable of beating Spence. We'll see mate if Thurman's fire returns to its former glory days. He isn't that old but he needs hunger and motivation in order to beat Spence.

I heard the rumors before but I haven't paid much attention. But I did follow Thurman a lot during championship days. Thurman from the past was so hungry, eager, and determined. I actually like him when he was being honest and verbally threw offensive remarks to his own handlers (PBC and Showtime) and to Floyd Mayweather jr. who kept the belts hostage from mandatories, ranked 1 contenders, and Thurman as then the WBA regular champion. Thurman was obviously mad and disgruntled as to why he isn't getting a shot at the real belts. I am not even sure if Spence's challenge was for real and at that time he ain't a champion either so Thurman won't get anything if he wins. And Thurman was right, if you want to be the best then why wasn't Spence challenging Mayweather at that time.

This is the same scenario right now, overdue title shots for the next generation of prospects; WBA regular champion Eimantas Stanionis and top 1 ranked contenders Vergil Ortiz and Boots Ennis. The WBA now mandated both Stanionis and Ortiz to face each other and the winner gets the Super WBA belt held by Spence. I doubt it happens though, why would Stanionis face a mandatory when he is already the regular champ, he should get Spence right away. The same situation for Ortiz, he gets nothing fighting Stanionis, it's a fake belt. I don't think Spence would want to fight these young undefeated contenders that are too risky, he rather move up and try to become a 2 division champion for his legacy. 

[Yamifoud]

My personal take. This fight will happen since this is a big fight and should be very easy for Spence. Spence should be able to stop this past-prime version of Thurman or at least win an easy unanimous decision if he wants to stay safe.

At first glance I see Thurman continuing to practice to anticipate and hone his skills, if Thurman & Spence officially box in the ring in the future, Thurman understands quite well some of Errol Spence's attacks on his opponent.

I remember that at that time Thurman had refused Spence's offer, but if you look at the events that have happened between the two of them, it is clear whether this boxing is official or not depends on Errol Spence's decision, if he hadn't made fun of or held a grudge against Thurman a while ago.

Some experts and boxing experts predict, if Errol Spence forgets what happened between the two and Errol Spence doesn't hold grudges and is selfish in this boxing, of course he will get the best ticket to fight Thurman in the future, that's all if Spence doesn't change his mind.

I know that prime Thurman is capable of beating Spence. We'll see mate if Thurman's fire returns to its former glory days. He isn't that old but he needs hunger and motivation in order to beat Spence.

I heard the rumors before but I haven't paid much attention. But I did follow Thurman a lot during championship days. Thurman from the past was so hungry, eager, and determined. I actually like him when he was being honest and verbally threw offensive remarks to his own handlers (PBC and Showtime) and to Floyd Mayweather jr. who kept the belts hostage from mandatories, ranked 1 contenders, and Thurman as then the WBA regular champion. Thurman was obviously mad and disgruntled as to why he isn't getting a shot at the real belts. I am not even sure if Spence's challenge was for real and at that time he ain't a champion either so Thurman won't get anything if he wins. And Thurman was right, if you want to be the best then why wasn't Spence challenging Mayweather at that time.

This is the same scenario right now, overdue title shots for the next generation of prospects; WBA regular champion Eimantas Stanionis and top 1 ranked contenders Vergil Ortiz and Boots Ennis. The WBA now mandated both Stanionis and Ortiz to face each other and the winner gets the Super WBA belt held by Spence. I doubt it happens though, why would Stanionis face a mandatory when he is already the regular champ, he should get Spence right away. The same situation for Ortiz, he gets nothing fighting Stanionis, it's a fake belt. I don't think Spence would want to fight these young undefeated contenders that are too risky, he rather move up and try to become a 2 division champion for his legacy. 

Nah, I don't think that hunger was lost from him, he is still the same Thurman I know, the only difference now is he is not anymore undefeated, but losing to Pacman is still okay because he was an 8th time world champion and Spence did not even beat Pacman although he beat the fighter who defeated Pacman.

I'm still rooting for Thurman this time, he knows what is at stake here, it's his opportunity to be a champion again, so he will certainly do everything to win.

[mirakal]

My personal take. This fight will happen since this is a big fight and should be very easy for Spence. Spence should be able to stop this past-prime version of Thurman or at least win an easy unanimous decision if he wants to stay safe.

At first glance I see Thurman continuing to practice to anticipate and hone his skills, if Thurman & Spence officially box in the ring in the future, Thurman understands quite well some of Errol Spence's attacks on his opponent.

I remember that at that time Thurman had refused Spence's offer, but if you look at the events that have happened between the two of them, it is clear whether this boxing is official or not depends on Errol Spence's decision, if he hadn't made fun of or held a grudge against Thurman a while ago.

Some experts and boxing experts predict, if Errol Spence forgets what happened between the two and Errol Spence doesn't hold grudges and is selfish in this boxing, of course he will get the best ticket to fight Thurman in the future, that's all if Spence doesn't change his mind.

Yes, Thurman's chances on defeating the current 3-belt champion is quite good and like Spence, Thurman keeps on improving up until now by honing his skills and correct his weaknesses in the past that will make him vulnerable. In fact, I'm seeing this as a fair fight that I cannot wait to see in the future.

But the thing is, will Spence forget and forgive Thurman just like that without doing anything? The answer is up to him but he should know that if he will avenge for what happened long ago, he will be stripped by his WBA and WBC belt. I don't think that's really worth it because he will have to take the ladder again if that is the case.

[Japinat]

Ok just to make it formal:

"On November 14, 2022, TGB Promotions applied for special permission on behalf of Spence to fight Thurman in February 2023, but with specific mandatory conditions. Pursuant to WBA rule C.16, which states that mandatory defense periods can be modified for cause, either by special permission request or on its own initiative, the WBA decided that Spence can face Thurman," the WBA stated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-spence-vs-keith-thurman-title-fight-approved-by-wba--170619

So this fight has been sanctioned by the WBA already, one of Spence belt, and now that we have 2 bodies already, WBC + WBA and perhaps the IBF will follow suit with the mandatory fight order as well.

And to add to this, WBA also ordered WBA "regular" welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis to make a mandatory defense against Vergil Ortiz.

And then the winner facing the winner of Spence vs Thurman to have one single champion.

This makes things more interesting because Spence is now more oblige to fight Thurman, he obviously cannot make some priorities on that revenge that he might be wanted because that will be an expensive mistake that will cost him 2 belts and there's a high chance that the IBF will follow as well, if that happens, all 3 belts is now on the line. Keith will surely be excited because things are getting into his favor, now the only thing he needed to do is to defeat Spence.

There's nothing to worry about that this fight will not happen because both boxers will certainly find a way to make sure it will happen. Thurman should be happy with this fight, after his comeback win, now he is going to fight the champion and he will have a chance to win that belts.

I'm really not that worried because I know that this mandatory fight will surely happen unlike from the supposed undisputed fight, Errol Spence may want to give some revenge because this is a bit too personal for him, but I do not think that Al Haymon will give his blessing and just let Spence do his thing. Keith Thurman on the other hand is surely glad that the WBA is also joining the club.

[lionheart78]

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. A

True, Crawford did not dominate Porter although he won the fight, so we can expect that Crawford will have a tougher fight against Thurman because IMO, Thurman is way better than Porter. In terms of stamina, I believe Thurman still has it, so I'm not really sure if what the majority think will happen, I guess we are going to see an upset.

Thurman had shown the world that he is really better than Porter.  He beats the younger Porter via a unanimous decision.  That is enough to say that Thurman is better than Porter.  With regards to Spence vs. Porter, Spence did knock down porter but their fight is decided via split position which makes me think that if Porter has not been KD in that fight, Porter could have won the match. And about Crawford and Porter, Crawford won the fight via TKO in round 10, Crawford is way better technically against Porter, he read Porter's movement and was just toying with Porter on the early rounds.  See how Crawford smiles and laugh whenever they clash and clinch.  So I think Crawford is a better boxer than Thurman and I believe even if compared to Spence.

[Yamifoud]

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. A

True, Crawford did not dominate Porter although he won the fight, so we can expect that Crawford will have a tougher fight against Thurman because IMO, Thurman is way better than Porter. In terms of stamina, I believe Thurman still has it, so I'm not really sure if what the majority think will happen, I guess we are going to see an upset.

Thurman had shown the world that he is really better than Porter.  He beats the younger Porter via a unanimous decision.  That is enough to say that Thurman is better than Porter.  With regards to Spence vs. Porter, Spence did knock down porter but their fight is decided via split position which makes me think that if Porter has not been KD in that fight, Porter could have won the match. And about Crawford and Porter, Crawford won the fight via TKO in round 10, Crawford is way better technically against Porter, he read Porter's movement and was just toying with Porter on the early rounds.  See how Crawford smiles and laugh whenever they clash and clinch.  So I think Crawford is a better boxer than Thurman and I believe even if compared to Spence.

But the world of boxing believe that Spence is better than Thurman, that's why it's very exciting to watch this game since Spence will have to fight a good contender in his division, and ex champ who would try his way to be a champion again. If Spence will lose this fight, Crawford will certainly be so happy as for sure he will get the opportunity to fight Thurman.

[Fredomago]

Yes, Thurman is Crawford is going to be huge, it will be the same as Crawford vs Porter and bigger than Crawford vs Ugas. A

True, Crawford did not dominate Porter although he won the fight, so we can expect that Crawford will have a tougher fight against Thurman because IMO, Thurman is way better than Porter. In terms of stamina, I believe Thurman still has it, so I'm not really sure if what the majority think will happen, I guess we are going to see an upset.

Thurman had shown the world that he is really better than Porter.  He beats the younger Porter via a unanimous decision.  That is enough to say that Thurman is better than Porter.  With regards to Spence vs. Porter, Spence did knock down porter but their fight is decided via split position which makes me think that if Porter has not been KD in that fight, Porter could have won the match. And about Crawford and Porter, Crawford won the fight via TKO in round 10, Crawford is way better technically against Porter, he read Porter's movement and was just toying with Porter on the early rounds.  See how Crawford smiles and laugh whenever they clash and clinch.  So I think Crawford is a better boxer than Thurman and I believe even if compared to Spence.

But the world of boxing believe that Spence is better than Thurman, that's why it's very exciting to watch this game since Spence will have to fight a good contender in his division, and ex champ who would try his way to be a champion again. If Spence will lose this fight, Crawford will certainly be so happy as for sure he will get the opportunity to fight Thurman.

It will be a big challenge for the defending champ as Thurman is not an easy contender all the reason for this fighter to win will give him that inspirations to fight well and give everything, it will be his last card to win the belt that he missed when he did try it once against Pacquiao, now that he was given another chance, for sure he will bring everything to try taking it from Spence.

Exciting to see how both fighters will bring everything in the best interest, not only for the fans and fame but more on the money side.