Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[TravelMug]

If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

I agree both have that power punch and if given a chance Thurman can upset Spence with those solid combinations. He almost beat
Pacquiao if it's not because of his early knock down.

I would like to see him being careful and analyze how Spence will throw his attack, give some jabs and try to avoid being hit by Spence
solid combination.

He needs to prepare and create good strategy to upset and hype his name up!

Thurman fought a different Manny Pacquiao. When that old version of Pacquiao fought Ugas, look what happened to him. Additionally, Errol Spence just brutally attacked and mauled Ugas into submission. Thurman should study the weaknesses of Spence in order to take advantage of them. The defense of Spence is questionable because he has been hit numerous times in his past fights. But the champion Spence is certainly at a higher level of the Pacquiao who fought Thurman.

I think the game plan is to really test Spence chin here, Thurman has power, not sure if he still possesses that kind of power that he is known to be. No need to compare his fight to Manny though, he has learn his lessons on that fight, he already admit that he make a lot of mistakes there.

Style make fights, Ugas fall on the Spence trap, although he had times that he hit Spence and he made his knees buckle several times.

That's why I say that Thurman should go all or nothing in this fight and maybe he can pull an upset.

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[Hypnosis00]

I think the game plan is to really test Spence chin here, Thurman has power, not sure if he still possesses that kind of power that he is known to be. No need to compare his fight to Manny though, he has learn his lessons on that fight, he already admit that he make a lot of mistakes there.

Style make fights, Ugas fall on the Spence trap, although he had times that he hit Spence and he made his knees buckle several times.

That's why I say that Thurman should go all or nothing in this fight and maybe he can pull an upset.

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

[carlisle1]

I think the game plan is to really test Spence chin here, Thurman has power, not sure if he still possesses that kind of power that he is known to be. No need to compare his fight to Manny though, he has learn his lessons on that fight, he already admit that he make a lot of mistakes there.

Style make fights, Ugas fall on the Spence trap, although he had times that he hit Spence and he made his knees buckle several times.

That's why I say that Thurman should go all or nothing in this fight and maybe he can pull an upset.

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

IF that will happen the end beneficiaries of this fight are the fans who longing to watch for this fight to happen, We all know
both fighters are capable to bring down one another.

We might see them both being aggressive and will really try to put down one another to kiss the floor, looking to see if how
Thurman will try to push his solid combinations to prove that he still got the shot for the title match.

Too bad there's no belts but still a good fight to watch out.

[Japinat]

When that old version of Pacquiao fought Ugas, look what happened to him. Additionally, Errol Spence just brutally attacked and mauled Ugas into submission. Thurman should study the weaknesses of Spence in order to take advantage of them. The defense of Spence is questionable because he has been hit numerous times in his past fights. But the champion Spence is certainly at a higher level of the Pacquiao who fought Thurman.

Pacman was having a problem with his leg on that time, that's why he easily lose, also, Pacman does not have enough time to study the technique of Ugas, so we can't blame him he lose. Maybe if he could have waited for Spence, we might see a close fight, maybe Pacman could even beat Spence.

Aside from that, Manny Pacquiao was already busy that time as if I remember it correctly, August was already a campaigning period especially for Pacquiao as he's also campaigning towards the presidential seat and maybe that's the reason why he came unprepared because he was having a hard time dividing his hours. Anyway, a loss is already a loss. The important thing now is an old rival of Pacquiao is now rising from the bottom and is now preparing for his fight with Spence, I hope his much prepared this time because this is chance to lift his name and open doors of opportunity..

Nothing to explain about that lost, Pacquiao and all his fans already move on and now we are talking about Thurman who one's trash talked
Pacquiao and now it's his time to come back and showcase his talent against Spence.

We are all waiting if how both of them will prepare for this fight and how they will entertain the fans and all those who will watch and support them.

There are always opinions about the outcome, but all will be concluded once they both fighting inside the ring.

Well, one of Pacquiao's mistakes was that, to focus on politics, it is something that I did not conceive of, but of course each person has a way of seeing life and the things they long for, at least he evidenced it and participated, in Part of him tried to achieve his dream but he could not materialize it, personally I think that on that side I understand him, he fought to get what he wants and that has his recognition, unfortunately that affected him so that he could not continue concentrating 100%, but one A legend like Pacquiao shouldn't speak ill of anyone, he's already a well-known person and it's not worth doing that.

We can't really blame the man, Manny Pacquiao, because running for a government seat and focusing on politics is his own way to give back to his people and help them in all sorts as that's what he wanted right from the beginning and if you're from Philippines, it's now to the people already that Pacquiao has been helping the needy and his motive is good. It's just that running towards a higher seat demands enough knowledge and lots of other things apart from helping the people alone, and that's why he lost the campaign.

Anyway, back to the fight. I'm really hoping that Thurman is packing a surprise this time because his name has been hyped since he got a victory lap over Barrios last time after having a long inactivity. I guess this will be his last chance though.

[Sithara007]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

[Japinat]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

Those said facts are really undeniable and even if I'm rooting for Keith Thurman to win this fight, Spence is still the one who got the upper hand based on recent fights and stats. I mean, Thurman just got the hype train because people hated PBC that much because of their unfair choices and influence that gives the opposite camp some struggle before the fight will actually materialize.
Now, I just really hope that Thurman can at least show that he is a former world champion and just an ordinary boxer in front of Spence.

[btc_angela]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

I do agree, and as we can see Thurman has soften a lot in his last fight against Mario Barrios, we can even call it a mismatch because Barrios is a career 140 lbs fighter who just move up to the division and Thurman performance was not enough close to being a statement win.

While on the other hand Spence just destroyed Ugas who I thought could be a good fight for Spence and should be close. But Ugas fought Spence fight that's why he lost that way. And if Thurman is not 'intelligent' enough to fall for Spence fight, then Errol could score a big knockout down in the middle to late rounds. He is the heavy favorite here, maybe the line will move but not that much.

[chaser15]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

Spence Jr. is no doubt really deadly at this point in his career. It's just that Thurman might be the best opponent for him as of now since the fight against Terence Crawford is having a hard time making it official. If Spence will stay at 154 after this fight against Thurman, that's the time he might face a tough fight thru facing Jermell Charlo or if Crawford decided to move up to 154 too.

But as much as I see Spence will win this fight against Thurman, I hope and expect an upset win by the latter.

Thurman, if only stays active after losing to Pacquiao, might have the chance to at least go toe-to-toe against Spence.

[Baofeng]

That's what I want to see, but you know, Spence is a durable fighter, he even goes toe to toe against Porter, and seems like nothing happened to him. Well, maybe Thurman is better and has good power as he also beat Porter. I'm expecting to see a toe to toe fight as these fighters are both aggressive, so we might likely see a KO here.

The last time Thurman got a KO was almost 10 years ago, against Jesús Soto Karass. After that, it was a series of UD, SDs and MDs and the (in)famous loss against Manny Pacquiao. Errol Spence Jr. on the other hand, knocked the senses out of Yordenis Ugás in his last fight. More than 75% of his wins have been in KO. I don't know.. maybe there is a good chance that Spence will defeat Thurman by KO. And as expected, Spence starts as a heavy favorite. Odds are -800 for Errol Spence Jr. , and +490 for Keith Thurman.

Probably Thurman that time doesn't have the issue with his shoulder, and it might have pop up after that fight. Although he didn't score a KO win after his with with Soto Karass, he score at least a knockdown in some of his wins after that.

Thurman's inactivity and probably his mental state (if he is ready to face Spence), will be some factors that we have to look at and could say that it will have a big effect on him. He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

[harizen]

He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

Keith Thurman after being defeated by Manny Pacquiao seems like the end of the world to him. After being defeated, don't know why he shows inactivity in boxing (honestly even in training). Yes, he did a comeback fight though but even winning at those, that's not the prime Keith Thurman on his usual.

Regardless though of his current status, I'm not closing the door for the possibility that he might give Spence a problem - fingers crossed.

If end up on Decision, the bad news is waiting for Thurman even though he performed well in this fight. The reason is obvious.

[Yaunfitda]

He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

Keith Thurman after being defeated by Manny Pacquiao seems like the end of the world to him. After being defeated, don't know why he shows inactivity in boxing (honestly even in training). Yes, he did a comeback fight though but even winning at those, that's not the prime Keith Thurman on his usual.

Regardless though of his current status, I'm not closing the door for the possibility that he might give Spence a problem - fingers crossed.

If end up on Decision, the bad news is waiting for Thurman even though he performed well in this fight. The reason is obvious.

It's probably more on mental thing for him, I mean leading to the fight, he really trash talk Manny Pacquiao, even calling saying that he has a T-Rex arms and other insults and in face-off you see that he wanted to take control.

And then he gets knock down and lost the fight. And then the backlash from boxing analyst, he was at some point becoming the laughing stock in boxing. They question his mental toughness and how can he loss to a 40 year old past prime Manny? And after that it was a different Thurman, just like Hatton, seems to be affected psychologically and not the same anymore after that defeat.

[Oasisman]

He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

Keith Thurman after being defeated by Manny Pacquiao seems like the end of the world to him. After being defeated, don't know why he shows inactivity in boxing (honestly even in training). Yes, he did a comeback fight though but even winning at those, that's not the prime Keith Thurman on his usual.

Regardless though of his current status, I'm not closing the door for the possibility that he might give Spence a problem - fingers crossed.

If end up on Decision, the bad news is waiting for Thurman even though he performed well in this fight. The reason is obvious.

I feel like he got embarrassed and was ashamed of what he was saying and acting prior to the fight. He felt dominant and a good chance of beating Pacquiao, but it turned the other way around. I know he underestimated Pacquiao,. especially that he was out of his prime already. He was devastated, it's safe to say, plus the rise of the Pandemic added up to his burden.
Now is the time to redeem himself.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

Keith Thurman after being defeated by Manny Pacquiao seems like the end of the world to him. After being defeated, don't know why he shows inactivity in boxing (honestly even in training). Yes, he did a comeback fight though but even winning at those, that's not the prime Keith Thurman on his usual.

Regardless though of his current status, I'm not closing the door for the possibility that he might give Spence a problem - fingers crossed.

If end up on Decision, the bad news is waiting for Thurman even though he performed well in this fight. The reason is obvious.

I feel like he got embarrassed and was ashamed of what he was saying and acting prior to the fight. He felt dominant and a good chance of beating Pacquiao, but it turned the other way around. I know he underestimated Pacquiao,. especially that he was out of his prime already. He was devastated, it's safe to say, plus the rise of the Pandemic added up to his burden.
Now is the time to redeem himself.

Right, so all his antics before the fight backfired on him big time. As you can see in his first knockout that he was laughing, which mean he didn't expect that to happen, so in the fight alone, he is mentally affected.

And so after, he was so ashamed and if I'm not mistaken, he went on a hiatus after the fight and he didn't get out in the public because of his embarrassement. Nevertheless he need to resume his career, maybe he was still under contract to PBC so he need to fullfill and fight again. But maybe physically he is fined, but psychologically he might be affected by that big lost to Pacman.

[Natalim]

Right, so all his antics before the fight backfired on him big time. As you can see in his first knockout that he was laughing, which mean he didn't expect that to happen, so in the fight alone, he is mentally affected.

And so after, he was so ashamed and if I'm not mistaken, he went on a hiatus after the fight and he didn't get out in the public because of his embarrassement. Nevertheless he need to resume his career, maybe he was still under contract to PBC so he need to fullfill and fight again. But maybe physically he is fined, but psychologically he might be affected by that big lost to Pacman.

I don't think that gives a bad effect on him, in fact, he was able to give a good fight, he just fell short, in the end, that's why he lose in a close decision fight with Manny. Thurman now has sure learned a lot from his previous lost, and I believe that will make him more dangerous in this fight because he will be well motivated to win to get his popular status again.

[carlisle1]

Right, so all his antics before the fight backfired on him big time. As you can see in his first knockout that he was laughing, which mean he didn't expect that to happen, so in the fight alone, he is mentally affected.

And so after, he was so ashamed and if I'm not mistaken, he went on a hiatus after the fight and he didn't get out in the public because of his embarrassement. Nevertheless he need to resume his career, maybe he was still under contract to PBC so he need to fullfill and fight again. But maybe physically he is fined, but psychologically he might be affected by that big lost to Pacman.

I don't think that gives a bad effect on him, in fact, he was able to give a good fight, he just fell short, in the end, that's why he lose in a close decision fight with Manny. Thurman now has sure learned a lot from his previous lost, and I believe that will make him more dangerous in this fight because he will be well motivated to win to get his popular status again.

I believe as well, with that intention to bring back the hypes in his name, he will be more motivated to win, even there's no belt
that they will be fighting for but a win still a win.

A good count with your legacy and for sure if he will take this seriously, his winning chance is also decent, he can take solid
shots and if he will survive and manage to throw his own to Spence.

It might change the direction of the fight and maybe it will favor him.

[virasisog]

Right, so all his antics before the fight backfired on him big time. As you can see in his first knockout that he was laughing, which mean he didn't expect that to happen, so in the fight alone, he is mentally affected.

And so after, he was so ashamed and if I'm not mistaken, he went on a hiatus after the fight and he didn't get out in the public because of his embarrassement. Nevertheless he need to resume his career, maybe he was still under contract to PBC so he need to fullfill and fight again. But maybe physically he is fined, but psychologically he might be affected by that big lost to Pacman.

I don't think that gives a bad effect on him, in fact, he was able to give a good fight, he just fell short, in the end, that's why he lose in a close decision fight with Manny. Thurman now has sure learned a lot from his previous lost, and I believe that will make him more dangerous in this fight because he will be well motivated to win to get his popular status again.

He was overconfident during his previous matches and that's what I have observed. I thjnk he was really shocked when he was knocked down during the first round with Manny and didn't expect that Manny would still be that strong. I guess he has taken that as a lesson already not to look down on his opponents and not to underestimate them. He should prepare well this time so the same thing will not happen to him again.

[Pamadar]

He didn't look good during his comeback fight against Josesito Lopez, already won that fight, he took a lot of damage, then Manny beat him, didn't impressed us against Mario Barrios. And with this version of Spence Jr, really hard for Thurman to deliver an upset win.

Keith Thurman after being defeated by Manny Pacquiao seems like the end of the world to him. After being defeated, don't know why he shows inactivity in boxing (honestly even in training). Yes, he did a comeback fight though but even winning at those, that's not the prime Keith Thurman on his usual.

Regardless though of his current status, I'm not closing the door for the possibility that he might give Spence a problem - fingers crossed.

If end up on Decision, the bad news is waiting for Thurman even though he performed well in this fight. The reason is obvious.

I feel like he got embarrassed and was ashamed of what he was saying and acting prior to the fight. He felt dominant and a good chance of beating Pacquiao, but it turned the other way around. I know he underestimated Pacquiao,. especially that he was out of his prime already. He was devastated, it's safe to say, plus the rise of the Pandemic added up to his burden.
Now is the time to redeem himself.

Right, so all his antics before the fight backfired on him big time. As you can see in his first knockout that he was laughing, which mean he didn't expect that to happen, so in the fight alone, he is mentally affected.

And so after, he was so ashamed and if I'm not mistaken, he went on a hiatus after the fight and he didn't get out in the public because of his embarrassement. Nevertheless he need to resume his career, maybe he was still under contract to PBC so he need to fullfill and fight again. But maybe physically he is fined, but psychologically he might be affected by that big lost to Pacman.

I also read some article about that, he really ashamed of that lost since he really so confident that he will beat an aging Pacquiao, but things didn't go to his direction he manage to try winning the fight but the early Knock down gave Pacquiao a decent lead.

If he did manage to equal that knock down, I think the outcome would be in his favor. He has a good
rally and the age factor of Pacquiao was exposed during the last few rounds. It so happened that
Pacquiao manage to end the fight without a knockdown, so he wins the fight.

[harizen]

Thurman now has sure learned a lot from his previous lost, and I believe that will make him more dangerous in this fight because he will be well motivated to win to get his popular status again.

But in reality, I didn't even see a bit of learning after that loss.

As I said, it seems that the loss against Manny gives a heavy toll on him and just easily decides to go on hiatus from boxing and even training. When he returns to the ring after I think, 30+ months, boxing enthusiast really shows a big difference from his usual him.

Regardless though, what happened already happened.

Going back to his fight against Spence, I don't know what strategies Thurman has to somehow give problems against the much dominant Spence.

[Baofeng]

Thurman now has sure learned a lot from his previous lost, and I believe that will make him more dangerous in this fight because he will be well motivated to win to get his popular status again.

But in reality, I didn't even see a bit of learning after that loss.

As I said, it seems that the loss against Manny gives a heavy toll on him and just easily decides to go on hiatus from boxing and even training. When he returns to the ring after I think, 30+ months, boxing enthusiast really shows a big difference from his usual him.

Regardless though, what happened already happened.

Going back to his fight against Spence, I don't know what strategies Thurman has to somehow give problems against the much dominant Spence.

He will still be the same Thurman I guess, again using his mouth against Spence, and since both are American for sure Spence is going to bark back if Thurman trash talk.

Yes I do agree that the Manny fight he is not the same, he also says that he has problems with his hands after and that they have to go to surgery again and so this could have also a big effect on him against Barrios and that's why his performance is below par. Regardless though, that hand problem seems to be bothering him a bit and I might say that he doesn't have that power that he had because of his bad hand. It took them months for the both to heal and fuse according to him.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

When the first negotiation failed last year between Spence and Crawford's camp, should be right at that time when boxing fans should now forget it. The negotiation that happened last year was almost a done deal and the majority is now expecting an official announcement but at the last minute, it was announced failed instead due to some reason that is not being disclosed to the public.

Let's accept the fact now that Spence won't meet Crawford because there are lots of obstacles that are ruining the plan. Crawford just needs to move forward and win his future fights but since being not under any big promoters, he will likely just face a cherry-picked opponent as it's tough for his camp to secure a big fight without the involvement of a big promoter and that's the reality in boxing nowadays.

maybe both camps did not agree with the purse split. but in any case, we already moved on from this possible fight as each of them have already gone their separate ways. i think this will be another repeat of mayweather-pacquiao history. their respective promoters will make a deal once their respective boxers are already past their prime.

I think that Crawford has to focus on other boxers, win-win and not depend so much on a decision by Spence, if Spence doesn't want to fight him, why despite all that is what the boxer wants, and under no circumstances does he want to. to have the fight with him, at least not right now, so Crawford is a boxer who is giving too much importance to him and this is not good, because he will always live in the shadow of what Spence does and decides, I instead from Crawford I would forget about that fight and I would make life make Spence look for me for this fight, the world goes around a lot and this is something that can happen, you just have to be very patient.