Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[AmoreJaz]

You are right that mate, Pacquiao has 1 word if he said that he will fight then he will fight so When the promoter said that he is going to fight Spence jr. Then he trained and study the possible move and fighting skills of Spence but when the fight is near Spence the Actor made an issue in order to stop the fight and then he blackout and replace with the other prime boxer Ugas which is Pacquiao only have 2 weeks to study the fight of Ugas and that two weeks are too short and the result is pacman loss the fight but he fight with honor and it's okay to loss.

Now that Spence could potentially fight a real fighter who gave Pacman a tough challenge, I don't believe that he will easily beat Thurman. Thurman was once a champion and is coming back to reclaim his spot, so it will be a tough fight for Spence. I hope Spence does not make excuses this time around. Although it's a non-title fight as far as I know, he still has nothing to lose.

seems the possibility of this fight to happen is becoming real as the camps are negotiating this to happen this April. don't know if this will indeed proceed this coming month. we have no official news yet about the venue and actual date so don't know if this will indeed push thru. unofficial announcement says it will happen april 22 at AT &T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
spence wil be fighting outside his weight class so he doesn't need to worry about relinquishing his belts in case he will lose to thurman.

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[Getmon]

And even if the first negotiations of the Spence vs Crawford fell off, there are a lot of rumors right now that they are still talking though. So I'm thinking that this might be one reasons why they can't really declare this fight officially as maybe they are waiting for the negotiations and see how it goes. Just take note that this is a rumor though so don't let get ourselves excited yet.

Aren't these two boxers negotiating for eternity?  It was already many years about these rumors of Crawford and Spence negotiating their fight but still no solid result.  I wonder if they are really negotiating.  I think this rumors is spread so that people will get interested and hyped but actually there is really no talk happening. If there is a negotiation happening then at least some data will be leaked like the possible time, place or year.  But nothing was leaked.. yes?  And as far as I know Spence camp is avoiding Crawford, and other calls it politics just to cover the ducking.

Are Crawford and Spence negotiating once more? That is an option. However, as stated, they have been negotiating for some time. But the reason behind the delay in announcing the date to the general public with his match with Thurman is one that intrigues me personally.

Maybe both camp see that big fight like Garcia and Davis can be made if both camp will give an inch in the agreement. Oscar is in the middle of it, and we've seen him and Crawford in public a couple of months ago. So maybe if Oscar can make this fight and talk to every camp, it's possible too that Crawford can learn from Oscar or even get him as a middle man even for this one fight alone and then he can go solo if he wants. So let's see, if this fight happens to be sealed already then good, wait for the result and then hopet hat Spence vs Crawford can be made at least for this year.

I think it all goes down to the right amount for split.  If they agreed on the reward money, then the fight will be finalized.  So for the fight between Crawford and Spence to happen, someone has to sacrifice his purse.

In order to make this match a reality, Crawford is willing to give up his share of the split. In this negotiation, maybe Oscar is the one who makes the difference. One example of an impossible match that was made possible by Oscar is Gervonta Davis and Ryan Garcia.

[Baofeng]

And even if the first negotiations of the Spence vs Crawford fell off, there are a lot of rumors right now that they are still talking though. So I'm thinking that this might be one reasons why they can't really declare this fight officially as maybe they are waiting for the negotiations and see how it goes. Just take note that this is a rumor though so don't let get ourselves excited yet.

Aren't these two boxers negotiating for eternity?  It was already many years about these rumors of Crawford and Spence negotiating their fight but still no solid result.  I wonder if they are really negotiating.  I think this rumors is spread so that people will get interested and hyped but actually there is really no talk happening. If there is a negotiation happening then at least some data will be leaked like the possible time, place or year.  But nothing was leaked.. yes?  And as far as I know Spence camp is avoiding Crawford, and other calls it politics just to cover the ducking.

Maybe both camp see that big fight like Garcia and Davis can be made if both camp will give an inch in the agreement. Oscar is in the middle of it, and we've seen him and Crawford in public a couple of months ago. So maybe if Oscar can make this fight and talk to every camp, it's possible too that Crawford can learn from Oscar or even get him as a middle man even for this one fight alone and then he can go solo if he wants. So let's see, if this fight happens to be sealed already then good, wait for the result and then hopet hat Spence vs Crawford can be made at least for this year.

I think it all goes down to the right amount for split.  If they agreed on the reward money, then the fight will be finalized.  So for the fight between Crawford and Spence to happen, someone has to sacrifice his purse.

That's why I said it's rumor for now, they almost made it when Crawford bolted out from Top Rank, but his mistakes is going directly to Al Haymon and maybe for the first time he was shock on how negotiations are done and then he exposed how it is to the public after the fall. Yeah, that's what rumors is, to spread the hype and maybe test if fans are still very much interested because for sure there is. Specially like big fights that we are seeing, Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Haney vs Loma.

So for sure there is interest from us, we want to see the best fighting each other in their primes, like this two boxers. And it's for the unification, so all belts on the line. True it boils down to the money and what not, but hopefully we can still see them fight before it's too late, maybe if someone will sacrifice like Ryan Garcia did, (catch weight and rehydration clause and probably the split too.)

[harizen]

I think it all goes down to the right amount for split.  If they agreed on the reward money, then the fight will be finalized.  So for the fight between Crawford and Spence to happen, someone has to sacrifice his purse.

I don't really think that the purse split is really the big issue here for why the anticipated mega bout isn't materialized for real.

Alright, let's say yes that purse is one of the reasons, I believed there might be other big issues.

I mentioned before that it was reported that Spence seems not in good shape anymore to settle a bout at 147 that's why they want to test the waters at 154. We will only see a clear view of Spence's future plan once we see the result of his debut fight at 154.

[Kasabus]

I think it all goes down to the right amount for split.  If they agreed on the reward money, then the fight will be finalized.  So for the fight between Crawford and Spence to happen, someone has to sacrifice his purse.

I don't really think that the purse split is really the big issue here for why the anticipated mega bout isn't materialized for real.

Alright, let's say yes that purse is one of the reasons, I believed there might be other big issues.

I mentioned before that it was reported that Spence seems not in good shape anymore to settle a bout at 147 that's why they want to test the waters at 154. We will only see a clear view of Spence's future plan once we see the result of his debut fight at 154.

Certainly, it's not about the purse split and that was also the rumored reason about the supposed unification that wasn't materialized, purse split again. It's been clear that either Thurman or Crawford are willing to accept as low as 30% slice of the cake just to make the fight happen but as usual, Errol Spence Jr. has been making up excuses that he's not in good shape or whatsoever their camp wanted to say. If that's truly the case, Spence should just vacate the belt because there are lots of boxers that are much deserve to have it and willing to fight for it because this division could've been more entertaining but because of him, lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

[Japinat]

<==== lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

[Vaculin]

<==== lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

People have been anticipating about that fight because Spence himself said after he won against Ugas that he is coming for the remaining belt which is in Crawford's possession. Fans were happy that time because they thought that it's indeed happening but in reality, Spence's camp have no plan at all and worst is, they let Crawford waste some time for going back and forth with the hopes that the unification fight will really materialize.

[btc_angela]

I think it all goes down to the right amount for split.  If they agreed on the reward money, then the fight will be finalized.  So for the fight between Crawford and Spence to happen, someone has to sacrifice his purse.

I don't really think that the purse split is really the big issue here for why the anticipated mega bout isn't materialized for real.

Alright, let's say yes that purse is one of the reasons, I believed there might be other big issues.

I mentioned before that it was reported that Spence seems not in good shape anymore to settle a bout at 147 that's why they want to test the waters at 154. We will only see a clear view of Spence's future plan once we see the result of his debut fight at 154.

Possible, that Spence is having issue with his weight at 147 lbs, but still though, it's a unification fight and against his rival Crawford at their best weight so it will really be a great fight between the two.

Nevertheless, they have move on with their fight, Crawford fought at 147 lbs again, while Spence is now trying to test the waters at 154 lbs against former champion Thurman. But what fans is thinking right now is that there are no official announcement yet if this fight is going to happen or not.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

"What's wrong with that? We vote based on our personal opinion, and while you might be right with your statement, it's better to be honest. I know Spence is a great boxer and a heavy favorite against Thurman, but that cannot change our decision. Let's just see the outcome of the fight and whether our expectations are met.

And it's probably some of us here are against Spence though, I mean with how he manage himself in the negotiations and failed to make a fight with Crawford. So many become anti-Spence and most likely they voted for Thurman to win.

So yeah, we have our own opinions, and most likely they will have to stick wit it for Thurman.

But I do agree that Spence has the upperhand here, and he will be the betting favorite.

He's the bookies favorite and according to stats he got the upper-hand, but we also need to understand that in this sport, upset can bring decent profits for those who love taking the big risk.

If luck permits and Thurman beat Spence, then the winning odd for those who believe
will be sweet.

It is that the majority of bettors will always play it safe and the safe thing for the majority is Spence, of course, for me personally I will always say that if Thurman's training Did it in a very strict and very hard way, the possibilities to win increase greatly, because the body is like that, it is the one that responds to us in the end and if it can do what the brain Tells it to, the level of stress that the muscles are subjected to is the same that is executed in the fight where it takes more and more strength and more resistance, having a good level of Stamina it is likely that Thurman can surpass Spence without a doubt.

and now:

Errol Spence and Terence Crawford in direct negotiations, agreed on purse split for mega-fight

By Chris Williams: Welterweight champions Errol Spence Jr and Terence Crawford are in direct one-on-one negotiations and have agreed to the purse split for the fight. Mike Coppinger of ESPN is reporting the news of the Spence vs. Crawford negotiations, which have taken place over the phone. With that said, IBF, WBA & WBC champion Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) is still expected to face Keith ‘One Time’ Thurman next at 154, while Crawford defends his WBO147-lb title in the sanctioning body-ordered fight against mandatory Alexis Rocha. Coppinger says he’s not optimistic that the Spence-Crawford fight will take place despite their interest. As such, Spence will likely face former WBA/WBC welterweight champion Thurman (30-1, 22 KOs), and Crawford will stay busy and collect a paycheck against the Golden Boy fighter Rocha (22-1, 14 KOs), who is a southpaw just like Errol.

Source: Errol Spence And Terence Crawford In Direct Negotiations, Agreed On Purse Split For Mega-fight - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/errol-spence-and-terence-crawford-in-direct-negotiations-agreed-on-purse-split-for-mega-fight/)

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/errol-spence-and-terence-crawford-in-direct-negotiations-agreed-on-purse-split-for-mega-fight/

[Ziskinberg]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

[Sanitough]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

We cannot be too convinced until the contract has been signed. They have created hype in the past and left us hanging, so it could happen again. However, what we should appreciate now is that there is a green light once again. It appears that Spence has grown tired of the criticism that he backed out of Crawford's challenge, so perhaps he is attempting to prove us wrong.

[Pamadar]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

Good update. If this one is now a serious negotiation, if both camps will show the signing of the contract, then it will going to be a mega fight of the year, a long waited an opportunity for all the boxing fans all over the world.

But likewise, if this one will turn to another postponement or nothing will take place with the negotiation
expect that disappointment from the fans will surely hype as well.

Looking to see progress and finalization for these said events.

[Getmon]

One of the individuals that lose interest in Errol Spence is me. I do not believe everything he says or says about the news until the papers are signed. Aside from Errol Spence, there are numerous boxers that deserved more attention than him. Terrence Crawford can continue to negotiate with Errol Spence, but not to the point where he would have to give up fighting twice to three times a year.

I will now concentrate on the upcoming matchup between Isaac Dogboe and Roberteisy Ramirez this week. Robeisy Ramirez is said to be the next Vasil Lomachenko.

[Distinctin]

One of the individuals that lose interest in Errol Spence is me. I do not believe everything he says or says about the news until the papers are signed. Aside from Errol Spence, there are numerous boxers that deserved more attention than him. Terrence Crawford can continue to negotiate with Errol Spence, but not to the point where he would have to give up fighting twice to three times a year.

Let us not expect so much from this fight as it might not happen. It's good if it will because it will be one of the biggest fight this year, I hope Spence will be inspired on Champion like Davis who is not afraid to take on a serious challenger which is Ryan Garcia.

I will now concentrate on the upcoming matchup between Isaac Dogboe and Roberteisy Ramirez this week. Robeisy Ramirez is said to be the next Vasil Lomachenko.

I'm not familiar with this name. It would be nice to have a thread to discuss this upcoming fight. Can someone create one, please?

[Ziskinberg]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

Good update. If this one is now a serious negotiation, if both camps will show the signing of the contract, then it will going to be a mega fight of the year, a long waited an opportunity for all the boxing fans all over the world.

But likewise, if this one will turn to another postponement or nothing will take place with the negotiation
expect that disappointment from the fans will surely hype as well.

Looking to see progress and finalization for these said events.

We hope this fight takes after Spence vs. Thurman fight, as we are excited to see how good Spence performs against a tough challenger. However, if they decide to hold it earlier this year, it's still worth watching. We should forget about Thurman for now, as he will have his opportunity in the future. Let's give way to this big fight.

[Shamm]

You are right that mate, Pacquiao has 1 word if he said that he will fight then he will fight so When the promoter said that he is going to fight Spence jr. Then he trained and study the possible move and fighting skills of Spence but when the fight is near Spence the Actor made an issue in order to stop the fight and then he blackout and replace with the other prime boxer Ugas which is Pacquiao only have 2 weeks to study the fight of Ugas and that two weeks are too short and the result is pacman loss the fight but he fight with honor and it's okay to loss.

Now that Spence could potentially fight a real fighter who gave Pacman a tough challenge, I don't believe that he will easily beat Thurman. Thurman was once a champion and is coming back to reclaim his spot, so it will be a tough fight for Spence. I hope Spence does not make excuses this time around. Although it's a non-title fight as far as I know, he still has nothing to lose.

seems the possibility of this fight to happen is becoming real as the camps are negotiating this to happen this April. don't know if this will indeed proceed this coming month. we have no official news yet about the venue and actual date so don't know if this will indeed push thru. unofficial announcement says it will happen april 22 at AT &T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
spence wil be fighting outside his weight class so he doesn't need to worry about relinquishing his belts in case he will lose to thurman.

Hopefully there's no current issue from both fighters and this fight will happens after this month. And also Hopefully spence will not make a way to suspend this fight or else re sched this fight. And we all know that Spence is a good actor which is he will make a way to cancel the fight if he is not comfortable in his opponent. But we all know that thurman is not undefeated anymore so For sure Spence lesser his emotion that  scared to thurman.

[yazher]

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

This is so common nowadays in the boxing industry and also he is not the only one doing this other popular boxers as well are dodging the right opponent to pro-long their high-value career because if they lose just once, their value might go down and they cannot sell for a multi-million dollars fight again like last time. As they became popular, they wanted to preserve their influence until they are no longer able to fight in the ring and maybe become one still earning huge amounts of income even when they retired.

[goldkingcoiner]

<==== lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

I would not say he is just making excuses. Obviously every fighter has to think about his own image and marketability, otherwise he might find himself shoved aside by bigger players and he might not be able to get into a good contract again. Its all about the money, really. Although having said that, it is indeed a smart move by him to avoid the Crawford fight for now. What if something happens and his operation mid-long term side-effects flare up and have a negative impact on the fight? Better safe than sorry.  Perhaps he thought it was not wise to challenge fate? Or maybe he noticed something wrong with his body?  

[Japinat]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

We cannot be too convinced until the contract has been signed. They have created hype in the past and left us hanging, so it could happen again. However, what we should appreciate now is that there is a green light once again. It appears that Spence has grown tired of the criticism that he backed out of Crawford's challenge, so perhaps he is attempting to prove us wrong.

Yes, let's not expect about it because this is not really the first time that Spence and everybody in his camp as well as Al Haymon is trying to create a hype for nothing. Worse thing is that maybe Spence is trying to make a discussion again to hide the fact that he's not interested towards Thurman and if that issue cools down, he will drop Crawford again. It's still much better not to think about this thing as it's not yet sure.

[Yaunfitda]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

I agree, I wouldn't put too much emphasized on that news, because it's just another clickbait article from that news site although it just pertain to boxing. And I have check other boxing sites and there are no reports about the Spence vs Crawford fight, so I would refrain from posting that kind of news until either of the announced it publicly that they are going to fight. The first negotiation is messy and we are all expecting that it will happen, but it didn't as it broke down because of the financials of the fight. So it's better to wait first before we all get excited.