Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[freedomgo]

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

Yes, and on the other hand, there are reports saying that Spence duck Thurman when he become a champion. So we really don't know who duck who during Thurman's prime and reign as 147 lbs. They are still both under Al Haymon, but we all know that Spence is now the A-side in that stable.

But now we will have a chance to see it, maybe it was 2-3 years late though, as Thurman got injured and then he fight Manny because that is the biggest paycheck for him.

Right! That is the trouble now because Spence Jr. still got the bigger slice of the cake even if he doesn't have anything to offer at 154 because he is not the champion, it's Jermell Charlo. To be fair, they both belong to the same stable, the PBC, so this fight should be in plain 50-50 even if Spence is called the PPV King as there's no risks in this fight. These governing bodies should uphold their name and provide a fair and square fight, but I guess that's really too much to ask these days.

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[carlisle1]

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

I guess it's both because I also remember that Thurman somehow underestimated Pacquiao and thought that a trashtalk will somehow give some troubles to the latter but it didn't worked as Thurman was the one who kissed the canvass in the early rounds of their fight whereas he was the one who had the ultimate motive to do the same.

Back on the fight, I know that Thurman is thirsty and hungry to get a title and be a champion once again but this journey won't be that easy because Spence got a strong body punch that could probably also crack Thurman in the early rounds. He should watch out for that though as it's expected that Spence won't go easy on him as this is a bit personal for him because of what happened few years back.

Thurman was barking at the wrong person. Additionally, Pacquiao, who does not speak English fluently, was only laughing because of the language barrier. Adrien Broner just laughed maybe because of the language barrier too. Broner thought Pacquiao would laugh at his trash talks instead of benefit from them.

I and MiliMil have the same opinion about this match. Errol Spence has a straightforward victory here. The corner of Thurman will stop it or the referee will. But I do not think it is true that Thurman avoided Spence for a long time. Thurman clearly desired the well-known names. The target was Mayweather and the other champions.

  It seems that Thurman's way of destruction of his opponent did not work on manny pacman pacquiao cause we can see that thurman feel the pain when pacaman going to hit him.
A silence fighters are very dangerous inside the ring and most of them are good in offense like pacman, inoue, magsayo and many more silence fighters who release thier anger inside the ring and not on way of trash talk. And also bronerthe same as thurman.

If not with that early knock down for sure, the decision might be different. I see that the fight may take into a draw if
Thurman did not fall in the early round.

He redeemed himself as we notice the aging Pacquiao in the last few remaining rounds but gladly he throw that power punch and Thurman didn't
anticipate that he can't ignore Pacquiao's punch, he underestimated him.

Moving on, Spence and Thurman's fight will be exciting even there's nothing to stake aside from the name behind their careers.

[Japinat]

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

I guess it's both because I also remember that Thurman somehow underestimated Pacquiao and thought that a trashtalk will somehow give some troubles to the latter but it didn't worked as Thurman was the one who kissed the canvass in the early rounds of their fight whereas he was the one who had the ultimate motive to do the same.

Back on the fight, I know that Thurman is thirsty and hungry to get a title and be a champion once again but this journey won't be that easy because Spence got a strong body punch that could probably also crack Thurman in the early rounds. He should watch out for that though as it's expected that Spence won't go easy on him as this is a bit personal for him because of what happened few years back.

Thurman was barking at the wrong person. Additionally, Pacquiao, who does not speak English fluently, was only laughing because of the language barrier. Adrien Broner just laughed maybe because of the language barrier too. Broner thought Pacquiao would laugh at his trash talks instead of benefit from them.

I and MiliMil have the same opinion about this match. Errol Spence has a straightforward victory here. The corner of Thurman will stop it or the referee will. But I do not think it is true that Thurman avoided Spence for a long time. Thurman clearly desired the well-known names. The target was Mayweather and the other champions.

  It seems that Thurman's way of destruction of his opponent did not work on manny pacman pacquiao cause we can see that thurman feel the pain when pacaman going to hit him.
A silence fighters are very dangerous inside the ring and most of them are good in offense like pacman, inoue, magsayo and many more silence fighters who release thier anger inside the ring and not on way of trash talk. And also bronerthe same as thurman.

If not with that early knock down for sure, the decision might be different. I see that the fight may take into a draw if
Thurman did not fall in the early round.

He redeemed himself as we notice the aging Pacquiao in the last few remaining rounds but gladly he throw that power punch and Thurman didn't
anticipate that he can't ignore Pacquiao's punch, he underestimated him.

Moving on, Spence and Thurman's fight will be exciting even there's nothing to stake aside from the name behind their careers.

And that specific fight with Pacquiao became a nightmare for Thurman because it made him go inactive for some years, that's what he got for underestimating an opponent who do have a good KO rate and unfortunate enough because that man turns out to be Manny Pacquiao who is famous for giving some lessons to a boxer who doesn't know where the line is.

That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

[Baofeng]

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

Yes, and on the other hand, there are reports saying that Spence duck Thurman when he become a champion. So we really don't know who duck who during Thurman's prime and reign as 147 lbs. They are still both under Al Haymon, but we all know that Spence is now the A-side in that stable.

But now we will have a chance to see it, maybe it was 2-3 years late though, as Thurman got injured and then he fight Manny because that is the biggest paycheck for him.

Right! That is the trouble now because Spence Jr. still got the bigger slice of the cake even if he doesn't have anything to offer at 154 because he is not the champion, it's Jermell Charlo. To be fair, they both belong to the same stable, the PBC, so this fight should be in plain 50-50 even if Spence is called the PPV King as there's no risks in this fight. These governing bodies should uphold their name and provide a fair and square fight, but I guess that's really too much to ask these days.

I agree, but it's the other way around, it's the promoters now and networks that hold this governing bodies and they just simply follow what this influential boxing promoter wants, like Al Haymon in this case. They have been in the shadows doing it, but this time it was very obvious.

A 147 lbs champion, then fighting a higher weight and his belt not on the line.

So this will definitely set a precedence in the boxing world and maybe we will see more of this kind of fights in the coming years.

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

[stadus]

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

Yes, and on the other hand, there are reports saying that Spence duck Thurman when he become a champion. So we really don't know who duck who during Thurman's prime and reign as 147 lbs. They are still both under Al Haymon, but we all know that Spence is now the A-side in that stable.

But now we will have a chance to see it, maybe it was 2-3 years late though, as Thurman got injured and then he fight Manny because that is the biggest paycheck for him.

Right! That is the trouble now because Spence Jr. still got the bigger slice of the cake even if he doesn't have anything to offer at 154 because he is not the champion, it's Jermell Charlo. To be fair, they both belong to the same stable, the PBC, so this fight should be in plain 50-50 even if Spence is called the PPV King as there's no risks in this fight. These governing bodies should uphold their name and provide a fair and square fight, but I guess that's really too much to ask these days.

I agree, but it's the other way around, it's the promoters now and networks that hold this governing bodies and they just simply follow what this influential boxing promoter wants, like Al Haymon in this case. They have been in the shadows doing it, but this time it was very obvious.

A 147 lbs champion, then fighting a higher weight and his belt not on the line.

So this will definitely set a precedence in the boxing world and maybe we will see more of this kind of fights in the coming years.

Yes, the boxing industry is getting more and more ugly these days as instead of fair rankings, these governing bodies seems to be more of a puppet now rather than being respected and should be the ones who will set the bar to avoid issues that will be linked to them. But unfortunately, they just don't care about it anymore as long as their pockets will be fed consistently by the likes of Al Haymon. Who knows, there might be a much bigger issue inside the industry that is not yet known to the people.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

I agree, he was once the top dog of this division, fighting the best in them and beating them all, until he got injured himself, and he was not the same anymore. So we can't blame him not fighting Spence prior, even if Spence call him our not. During that time, Spence is just coming up in the ranks and so just making a name for himself but he had the sight on Thurman as he call him out. But that unfortunate event in Thurman is that he didn't fight Spence when he was in his prime and Spence coming up as a new comer and maybe they treat him as no one that time. But now it's different, Spence is the champion and Thurman is no longer the champion.

[Fredomago]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

I agree, he was once the top dog of this division, fighting the best in them and beating them all, until he got injured himself, and he was not the same anymore. So we can't blame him not fighting Spence prior, even if Spence call him our not. During that time, Spence is just coming up in the ranks and so just making a name for himself but he had the sight on Thurman as he call him out. But that unfortunate event in Thurman is that he didn't fight Spence when he was in his prime and Spence coming up as a new comer and maybe they treat him as no one that time. But now it's different, Spence is the champion and Thurman is no longer the champion.

That's how things went and now they finally meeting each other it's a matter of the name behind no belt to risk but purely for the sake of entertainment and for those fans who are aiming to see who's going to be the best between these two great fighters, I personally see that if ever Thurman make an upset, he will negotiate and maybe a possibility to call for Crawford for a title belt,

Else, Spence will be ready to go for a rematch and give Thurman a chance for a title match opportunities.

[Questat]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

I agree, he was once the top dog of this division, fighting the best in them and beating them all, until he got injured himself, and he was not the same anymore. So we can't blame him not fighting Spence prior, even if Spence call him our not. During that time, Spence is just coming up in the ranks and so just making a name for himself but he had the sight on Thurman as he call him out. But that unfortunate event in Thurman is that he didn't fight Spence when he was in his prime and Spence coming up as a new comer and maybe they treat him as no one that time. But now it's different, Spence is the champion and Thurman is no longer the champion.

That's how things went and now they finally meeting each other it's a matter of the name behind no belt to risk but purely for the sake of entertainment and for those fans who are aiming to see who's going to be the best between these two great fighters, I personally see that if ever Thurman make an upset, he will negotiate and maybe a possibility to call for Crawford for a title belt,

Else, Spence will be ready to go for a rematch and give Thurman a chance for a title match opportunities.

I bet Thurman was disappointed to himself because it took him almost 3 years before he gets active again as a lot of things has happened in the industry mainly in the welterweight division when he got inactive to the industry and one of those things is that the boxers that are holding the belts now are not that easy to defeat especially in his situation where he's still pulling himself together to adjust.

Still too early to talk about other the what if's in the future because it's not that yet clear whether he can weather Spence or not.

[Jating]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

I agree, he was once the top dog of this division, fighting the best in them and beating them all, until he got injured himself, and he was not the same anymore. So we can't blame him not fighting Spence prior, even if Spence call him our not. During that time, Spence is just coming up in the ranks and so just making a name for himself but he had the sight on Thurman as he call him out. But that unfortunate event in Thurman is that he didn't fight Spence when he was in his prime and Spence coming up as a new comer and maybe they treat him as no one that time. But now it's different, Spence is the champion and Thurman is no longer the champion.

That's how things went and now they finally meeting each other it's a matter of the name behind no belt to risk but purely for the sake of entertainment and for those fans who are aiming to see who's going to be the best between these two great fighters, I personally see that if ever Thurman make an upset, he will negotiate and maybe a possibility to call for Crawford for a title belt,

Else, Spence will be ready to go for a rematch and give Thurman a chance for a title match opportunities.

I bet Thurman was disappointed to himself because it took him almost 3 years before he gets active again as a lot of things has happened in the industry mainly in the welterweight division when he got inactive to the industry and one of those things is that the boxers that are holding the belts now are not that easy to defeat especially in his situation where he's still pulling himself together to adjust.

Still too early to talk about other the what if's in the future because it's not that yet clear whether he can weather Spence or not.

He make a lot of wrong moves, in my opinion, First, he made a comeback against one of the toughest gate keeper in that division, which is Josesito Lopez, it was a wrong between them and Thurman was hurt that time. And I think they made a hasty comeback as well, and second, then he fought Manny, which he think he can win easy. And after his lost, he was gone into oblivion never heard from him again, go back to being a boxing commentator/analyst. And then third, makes another comeback against Mario Barrios, but it was just an average performance. And between those, as you have said, many things have change, the landscape becomes just a 2 fighter belt, held by Spence and Bud Crawford.

[Baofeng]

^^ Right, and if my memory serves me right, he again reinjured his hands against Josesito Lopez. And it was really a tough war coming back from injuries and fighting the likes of Lopez who just wants to throw volume and put a hurt on his opponents, hehehe. And I will say it was really a bad move on their camp to pick him, although they might think that Thurman is soft coming back from a injury picking lesser opponents, but it did back fire on him big time. I'm not saying that Lopez ruined Thurman, but it was really a bad choice.

[carlisle1]

~snip~
That specific fight made Thurman waste a couple of years and if only he didn't get inactive, he could've been a champion and redeem his loss towards another boxer. But it is what it is, now he is up against a man whom he did rejected few years back.

^ Had he been more active and not suffered that setback, he may have been able to become a champion and redeem himself against other opponents. As for Thurman rejecting a fight against a certain boxer in the past, that is also a common occurrence in the sport of boxing. Boxers and their teams have to carefully consider their options and choose the fights that make the most sense for them at any given time. It is possible that Thurman made a decision that he felt was best for his career at the time, and there is no way to know if that decision was right or wrong in retrospect. The sport of boxing is full of unpredictable twists and turns, and fighters must be able to adapt and overcome challenges in order to achieve success. We will have to wait and see how Thurman fares in his upcoming fights and whether he can make a comeback to the top of the sport. I am with Thurman anyway.

Yeah right, there's no one who can accurately predict what fate is waiting for every fighter, whatever happened before and why
Thurman decided to have that break after losing to Pacquiao.

It is a decision from him and his camp. Whatever the result, it's been done and what is important for now is he comes back and is now trying.

We will see what will be the outcome of this upcoming fight. If Thurman will make an upset probably, it will favor him
a lot in terms of his career and future money fight to come.

[chaser15]

We will see what will be the outcome of this upcoming fight. If Thurman will make an upset probably, it will favor him
a lot in terms of his career and future money fight to come.

Even though I don't see Keith Thurman winning against Spence, I'm looking forward to him winning this match because of these reasons:

- to put Spence in an embarrassing situation where he keeps ducking Crawford but in the end, will just lose to post-prime Keith Thurman
- to make Spence stay at 148 and not push forwarding to 154
- to somehow devalued Spence's worth and value as losing to Thurman in this fight will make Spence's camp not able to demand a higher purse split if they will face Crawford in the future even if he's a PPV King and currently holds 3 titles at 148.

Hopefully, Keith Thurman can pull an upset against the heavy favorite, Errol Spence.

[Botnake]

We will see what will be the outcome of this upcoming fight. If Thurman will make an upset probably, it will favor him
a lot in terms of his career and future money fight to come.

Even though I don't see Keith Thurman winning against Spence, I'm looking forward to him winning this match because of these reasons:

- to put Spence in an embarrassing situation where he keeps ducking Crawford but in the end, will just lose to post-prime Keith Thurman
- to make Spence stay at 148 and not push forwarding to 154
- to somehow devalued Spence's worth and value as losing to Thurman in this fight will make Spence's camp not able to demand a higher purse split if they will face Crawford in the future even if he's a PPV King and currently holds 3 titles at 148.

Hopefully, Keith Thurman can pull an upset against the heavy favorite, Errol Spence.

And of course, to make him wake up to the reality where it's not right bringing the fight at 154 when in-fact the fight was originally ordered at 147 because that is where his belts are located. He was just having the easier way just because Al Haymon somehow got a good connection with the governing bodies that is why they are taking advantage of it.

Besides, I really don't believe that Keith Thurman is already on his limit just like what we saw on his last fight.

[carlisle1]

We will see what will be the outcome of this upcoming fight. If Thurman will make an upset probably, it will favor him
a lot in terms of his career and future money fight to come.

Even though I don't see Keith Thurman winning against Spence, I'm looking forward to him winning this match because of these reasons:

- to put Spence in an embarrassing situation where he keeps ducking Crawford but in the end, will just lose to post-prime Keith Thurman
- to make Spence stay at 148 and not push forwarding to 154
- to somehow devalued Spence's worth and value as losing to Thurman in this fight will make Spence's camp not able to demand a higher purse split if they will face Crawford in the future even if he's a PPV King and currently holds 3 titles at 148.

Hopefully, Keith Thurman can pull an upset against the heavy favorite, Errol Spence.

And of course, to make him wake up to the reality where it's not right bringing the fight at 154 when in-fact the fight was originally ordered at 147 because that is where his belts are located. He was just having the easier way just because Al Haymon somehow got a good connection with the governing bodies that is why they are taking advantage of it.

Besides, I really don't believe that Keith Thurman is already on his limit just like what we saw on his last fight.

We will know once they already meet inside the ring, let see if how Thurman will take this fight and how he will execute all those
trainings and all those reparations for this fight.

I see your point and it's really the connection that makes this fight to take place in a much higher division, instead of risking the belt
Spence will take the fight for anything at stake.

Both will be on the side where only pride is at stake, nothing to lose for Spence aside from the fact that if Thurman will make an upset
it will give him the chance to negotiate with a money and title fight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Therefore, the best thing to do for him is just to make sure he'll not fight Crawford and just look for opponents that he has a better chance of winning.

And that led Spence to fight Keith Thurman instead but the crazy thing here is, he will defend his 3 titles at 147 lbs at 154 weight division lol.

Maybe if Spence wins against Thurman, he needs to decide whether to continue at 154 or not. If he continues at 154, he should give up his titles at 146, and with that being said, it will be vacant and Crawford now has a chance to fight for a unification fight.

But with the way things are happening, looks like even the boxing council themselves like WBC don't want their baby boy Spence to be faced by Crawford.

Funny to think that even the organization is not willing to make this fight to happen, they are protecting Spence who really doing
his best in avoiding the negotiation against Crawford.

Like what you mentioned, instead of discussing the fight with Crawford, his camp and the organization push the fight against Thurman.

Not a title fight but still good as Thurman is not an easy opponent to beat up, Spence will be tested now if he can KO Thurman
with his speed and solid punches.

I already see this as unprofessional, if I were a professional boxer I wouldn't refuse to fight him as a challenge, that lends itself to thinking later that somehow I dodged it out of fear, a boxer can say that he didn't want to fight with them out of fear, it is very easy and more like the boxers of today, what they do is show off for themselves and they say they are the best, where the right thing to do is expect others to praise them, it doesn't matter Wherever they come from, what matters is that a fight can happen, but that's why so much with that fight, Spence must accept that fight with Crawford.

You have to understand as well that they signed a contract before hand, so they must follow it otherwise, they might get a lawsuit and when the moment it's over, Thurman's career might be over as well.

So as much as you call this unprofessional, this is the right move for them. PBC and Al Haymon are very powerful entities. If they go against their will, you don't know what's going to happen on your career.

Well looking at it from that point of view it is considerable, however I see that for a boxer or for any high-risk sport they should not put pressure or that athletes do something against their will, the fact that something is mandatory nobody likes , and partly every boxer should always keep in mind that rematches are very common and must be done. The boxers know that they have clauses and that if they are not complied with they can tarnish their careers, that is already part of the contract added to the business model, something very understandable.



and now:

Stephen Espinoza not giving up on Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr bout

Showtime Sports president Stephen Espinoza has spoken publicly about the breakdown in negotiations that saw the mooted welterweight unification bout between WBO champion Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford  39-0 (30) and WBC, WBA and IBF boss Errol ‘The Truth’ Spence Jr 28-0 (22) fall apart.

Protracted talks for the all-southpaw battle took place last year but eventually proved fruitless.

Crawford, 35, from Omaha, Nebraska, had split from long-time promoter Top Rank and was negotiating the fight on his own behalf, but Espinoza doesn’t believe his self representation was the reason a deal could not be reached.

“I don’t think it was a lack or presence of a promoter (for Crawford) that caused it to break down the first time… I think it was just different expectations and not being able to get to the same page. And then at a certain point Crawford went in a different direction,” Espinoza told FightHubTV.

Crawford won the WBO welterweight belt from Jeff Horn with a ninth-round knockout in June 2018 after previously holding the WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF junior welterweight titles. He is also a former WBO lightweight champion.

Texan Spence, 33, has held the IBF title for six years after stopping Kell Brook in 11 heats in May 2017. Three title defences followed before he unified with WBC champion Shawn Porter in September 2019. In his last bout in April he added the WBA title to his hardware with a 10th round knockout of Yordenis Ugas.

Source: https://www.ringnews24.com/2023/03/04/stephen-espinoza-not-giving-up-on-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-bout/

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Both will be on the side where only pride is at stake, nothing to lose for Spence aside from the fact that if Thurman will make an upset
it will give him the chance to negotiate with a money and title fight.

Thurman is the one who got nothing more to lose because his career is now on the point that if he will get defeated again, then it's time for him to hang his gloves up. It might be early for his age but there's nothing he can do because if he will continue his career, he will become a trophy for someone else's career and a stepping stone for that same someone to have good fights in the future.
But for Spence, he got everything to lose here and he might not have his belts at stake but his value and reputation are on the line because a defeat from Thurman will seriously decline his value and he will have his first defeat in his career. Furthermore, the governing bodies will probably make him as an example so that they don't have to take the blame anymore and will likely arrange a fight with Crawford or Boots Ennis to clean their names from being affiliated with Spence and Al Haymon.

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Stephen Espinoza not giving up on Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr bout

Showtime Sports president Stephen Espinoza has spoken publicly about the breakdown in negotiations that saw the mooted welterweight unification bout between WBO champion Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford  39-0 (30) and WBC, WBA and IBF boss Errol ‘The Truth’ Spence Jr 28-0 (22) fall apart.

Protracted talks for the all-southpaw battle took place last year but eventually proved fruitless.

Crawford, 35, from Omaha, Nebraska, had split from long-time promoter Top Rank and was negotiating the fight on his own behalf, but Espinoza doesn’t believe his self representation was the reason a deal could not be reached.

“I don’t think it was a lack or presence of a promoter (for Crawford) that caused it to break down the first time… I think it was just different expectations and not being able to get to the same page. And then at a certain point Crawford went in a different direction,” Espinoza told FightHubTV.

Crawford won the WBO welterweight belt from Jeff Horn with a ninth-round knockout in June 2018 after previously holding the WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF junior welterweight titles. He is also a former WBO lightweight champion.

Texan Spence, 33, has held the IBF title for six years after stopping Kell Brook in 11 heats in May 2017. Three title defences followed before he unified with WBC champion Shawn Porter in September 2019. In his last bout in April he added the WBA title to his hardware with a 10th round knockout of Yordenis Ugas.

Source: https://www.ringnews24.com/2023/03/04/stephen-espinoza-not-giving-up-on-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-bout/

I cannot really blame him if he is still looking forward into it but I don't think it will happen much sooner or anytime at all because what happened before was already enough for me to believe that the unification between Crawford and Spence is just too much to ask as the latter's camp is not really giving-in for that to happen. What makes me furious about the fact is that they waster Crawford's time by giving him hopes that the fight does a have a potential but in reality, they don't have any intention at all.

Crawford being promotion-less has never been a factor why the fight failed, it's just that the opposite camp doesn't want it to happen and then here we have some governing bodies who turn to have a blind eye about the situation.

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Thurman is the one who got nothing more to lose because his career is now on the point that if he will get defeated again, then it's time for him to hang his gloves up. It might be early for his age but there's nothing he can do because if he will continue his career, he will become a trophy for someone else's career and a stepping stone for that same someone to have good fights in the future.
But for Spence, he got everything to lose here and he might not have his belts at stake but his value and reputation are on the line because a defeat from Thurman will seriously decline his value and he will have his first defeat in his career. Furthermore, the governing bodies will probably make him as an example so that they don't have to take the blame anymore and will likely arrange a fight with Crawford or Boots Ennis to clean their names from being affiliated with Spence and Al Haymon.

Comparing those things that both boxers will have if they lose, it's correct that Spence will have the most impact on his career. Losing Thurman, not just it's an embarrassing loss but it would be clear to us that he won't have a chance to win at Crawford at 148.

The much higher purse split share can also not be demanded now by the Spence camp if they intend to negotiate with Crawford again. The mega bout has a chance to happen now although if Spence loses on Thurman but I can't consider fighting against Crawford still can be considered a mega bout.

Let's face it though that Spence has the upper edge on this fight and probably would be easy to win against the current Thurman.

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Both will be on the side where only pride is at stake, nothing to lose for Spence aside from the fact that if Thurman will make an upset
it will give him the chance to negotiate with a money and title fight.

Thurman is the one who got nothing more to lose because his career is now on the point that if he will get defeated again, then it's time for him to hang his gloves up. It might be early for his age but there's nothing he can do because if he will continue his career, he will become a trophy for someone else's career and a stepping stone for that same someone to have good fights in the future.
But for Spence, he got everything to lose here and he might not have his belts at stake but his value and reputation are on the line because a defeat from Thurman will seriously decline his value and he will have his first defeat in his career. Furthermore, the governing bodies will probably make him as an example so that they don't have to take the blame anymore and will likely arrange a fight with Crawford or Boots Ennis to clean their names from being affiliated with Spence and Al Haymon.

It's correct, Thurman has nothing to lose and everything to gain if he pulls one of the biggest upset of the year. Although there is no belt in the line, but having your first career lost? Spence might not take it mentally.

So still a big fight for Spence here and he shouldn't underestimate Thurman. Yes he doesn't look good in his last fight. But if Spence will not train hard here, maybe it's going to be a difficult fight for him.