Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[Sanitough]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

I agree, I wouldn't put too much emphasized on that news, because it's just another clickbait article from that news site although it just pertain to boxing. And I have check other boxing sites and there are no reports about the Spence vs Crawford fight, so I would refrain from posting that kind of news until either of the announced it publicly that they are going to fight. The first negotiation is messy and we are all expecting that it will happen, but it didn't as it broke down because of the financials of the fight. So it's better to wait first before we all get excited.

There have been rumors of these two boxers fighting in the past, but it has never come to fruition. Despite the constant hype, one of the fighters has been hesitant to risk his undefeated record. While they are both great boxers and among the best of their era, some fans may feel disappointed that they are not willing to take more risks.

However, we can still hope that with continued hype and interest, this potential matchup may happen in the future.

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[Jating]

@LUCKMCFLY, I hope this news is not fake. It would be a huge disappointment if the fight does not happen after all the anticipation and hype surrounding it. Let's hope they ensure that the fight takes place this time. Otherwise, it would be a waste of effort and time, and many fans might lose interest in boxing altogether.

I agree, I wouldn't put too much emphasized on that news, because it's just another clickbait article from that news site although it just pertain to boxing. And I have check other boxing sites and there are no reports about the Spence vs Crawford fight, so I would refrain from posting that kind of news until either of the announced it publicly that they are going to fight. The first negotiation is messy and we are all expecting that it will happen, but it didn't as it broke down because of the financials of the fight. So it's better to wait first before we all get excited.

There have been rumors of these two boxers fighting in the past, but it has never come to fruition. Despite the constant hype, one of the fighters has been hesitant to risk his undefeated record. While they are both great boxers and among the best of their era, some fans may feel disappointed that they are not willing to take more risks.

However, we can still hope that with continued hype and interest, this potential matchup may happen in the future.

For me it's better to hear it directly from either fighter if the fight is going to happen or if there is negotiations right now. Instead of listening to some social media accounts who even have a date in this fight around June he says, but that is not a reliable source so I just laugh it out.

However, this fight is officially go, maybe some things that both camps wanted to and iron out.

Regardless, I think Spence will be too much for Thurman though and might get a ko/tko late in the rounds.

[Kasabus]

<==== lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

I would not say he is just making excuses. Obviously every fighter has to think about his own image and marketability, otherwise he might find himself shoved aside by bigger players and he might not be able to get into a good contract again. Its all about the money, really. Although having said that, it is indeed a smart move by him to avoid the Crawford fight for now. What if something happens and his operation mid-long term side-effects flare up and have a negative impact on the fight? Better safe than sorry.  Perhaps he thought it was not wise to challenge fate? Or maybe he noticed something wrong with his body?  

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

[stadus]

<==== lots of fight has been delayed because of his selfishness.

I agree with this. In fact, I believe that he already made some drama, which was the reason why his fight with Pacman before was cancelled. Because if he had gone through a serious operation, he should not have fought Ugas after Ugas won the championship against Pacman. Now that he is back with a big win, Crawford challenges him, but nothing has happened. Maybe Spence knows his limitations and that he cannot win against Crawford, which is why he is making up excuses just to avoid him.

I would not say he is just making excuses. Obviously every fighter has to think about his own image and marketability, otherwise he might find himself shoved aside by bigger players and he might not be able to get into a good contract again. Its all about the money, really. Although having said that, it is indeed a smart move by him to avoid the Crawford fight for now. What if something happens and his operation mid-long term side-effects flare up and have a negative impact on the fight? Better safe than sorry.  Perhaps he thought it was not wise to challenge fate? Or maybe he noticed something wrong with his body?  

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

No doubt as that was the beginning of Spence's downfall from being one of the good images in the industry to being the villain because they wasted Crawford's time and gave him hopes that a unification fight will really happen. And now here we are again, another rumor came up about them which will certainly lead into a cancellation of this fight and obviously, Thurman's time will be wasted. In other words, Spence is not afraid to duck this fight because even if it's a mandatory fight, there would be no consequence on his side as he doesn't have any belts at 154.

[goinmerry]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yeah, a single lucky converted punch from Thurman. He can make Spence to kiss the floor. We would see that during the live event we can expect an upset indeed as, like what you said, both are power punchers and if Thurman will be given a chance, then he will not waste any to convert that winning punch.

But, on the other side, Spence is really smart expect him not to be careless and to just play it and bring the game to his favor.

I'm not doubting Keith Thurman can find a good opening for a supposed lucky punch. But the question is, even Thurman will find many ways to penetrate his lucky punches, I'm doubting the power of those punches if capable of taking down Spence. Thurman is not that heavy puncher and since not active in big fights, that might result in his punches being soft, while on the other hand, Spence is currently at his peak so a simple with strong body resistance that a lucky punch can't just give a heavy toll on him.

Thurman is not also used on 154, and even the same with Spence, which is also not used on 154, it now depends on how active they are and maintain their shape during their training. If only Thurman remains active after losing to Pacquiao, he might have had the chance to pulverize Spence even at 154.

Good question and with your assessment, it might be possible for Thurman to find that good opening, but like what you said, can he execute a solid punch to put Spence down and kiss the canvass? A big question mark and on the other side, Spence is still at his peak and if he will be the one that will get that opportunity to take an open punch, the chance to see Thurman to go down and suffer with a KO.

Still, no one can accurately predict what might happen here. Both sides have their own opportunities if they will execute the plan the right way.

when Thurman lost to Pacquiao, his boxing career was put on hold. if he continued his career, i can agree that he can possibly beat spence easily. thurman right now is trying to get back again with the lost times. we don't know if this match will ever push thru. but thurman's camp can have their discussion to fight crawford, porter or danny garcia. whomever will agree with their camp. he needs to fight as soon as he can, so he's boxing career won't be stagnant for so long.

The moment Pacquiao beat Thurman was something I didn't see coming, Thruman hasn't given up, he's a boxer I like how he makes an effort not to be left behind, he faced one of the greatest, and still This is how he is showing his face, dreaming that if he can and that a failure can be turned into a lesson to be able to be at the top, nothing is easy and it must be considered that the effort that Thurman has made is recognizable, he has to fight against a Spence who thinks he can win it all, let's see how these titans fare.

Errol Spence Jr Reacts To Potential Conor Benn vs Kell Brook Fight

Since then Spence has gone on to gather three belts in the division, whilst Brook hung up the gloves last year after defeating his long-time rival, Amir Khan.

Since retirement, Brook has found life tough and appears to be itching to get back into the ring. The man who seems to be tempting Brook into a comeback is Conor Benn.

Source: https://boxing-social.com/news/errol-spence-on-conor-benn-kell-brook/

[Japinat]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

It's not fair for Crawford to have to move up in weight just to chase Spence. He should stick to the division where he excels and not make any hasty decisions. If Spence were truly interested in fighting Crawford, it should have happened long ago. At this point, Crawford should focus on his own plans and forget about Spence. Many believe that Crawford is the better fighter, and he has earned sympathy from fans due to the lack of opportunities he has received compared to Spence.

[Kelvinid]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

It's not fair for Crawford to have to move up in weight just to chase Spence. He should stick to the division where he excels and not make any hasty decisions. If Spence were truly interested in fighting Crawford, it should have happened long ago. At this point, Crawford should focus on his own plans and forget about Spence. Many believe that Crawford is the better fighter, and he has earned sympathy from fans due to the lack of opportunities he has received compared to Spence.

"Moving up in weight class is certainly a risk, but as a champion, he understands the consequences. While he can stay and face the challenges in his current division, pushing himself to the limit may require climbing up. This doesn't necessarily mean he needs to challenge Spence, as there are champions in higher weight classes who could provide him with a tough challenge.

[Ziskinberg]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

It's not fair for Crawford to have to move up in weight just to chase Spence. He should stick to the division where he excels and not make any hasty decisions. If Spence were truly interested in fighting Crawford, it should have happened long ago. At this point, Crawford should focus on his own plans and forget about Spence. Many believe that Crawford is the better fighter, and he has earned sympathy from fans due to the lack of opportunities he has received compared to Spence.

"Moving up in weight class is certainly a risk, but as a champion, he understands the consequences. While he can stay and face the challenges in his current division, pushing himself to the limit may require climbing up. This doesn't necessarily mean he needs to challenge Spence, as there are champions in higher weight classes who could provide him with a tough challenge.

Currently, he hasn't made a decision yet, but in the future, he may consider taking on bigger challenges in his boxing career. Fighting popular challengers could help increase his revenue in boxing, as he reportedly hasn't sold as many PPV subscriptions in most of his fights compared to Spence. Not only would this bring him financial gain, but it would also give him the opportunity to showcase his skills against top-level competition.

At this time, the best course of action for him is to stay active and keep competing while waiting for his big break.

[stadus]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

Even if Crawford will make a move towards 154, it's still the same, there's no guarantee that these two will face each other knowing that Spence got an influential promoter on his back. Other than that, there's no sense if Crawford will follow Spence at 154 because just like what you've said, it's not what Crawford's plan which is to unify the belts at 147 and be the first person to be the undisputed champion in two separate divisions.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Well, you seriously got a point but if that's truly the case then why did he played and toyed Crawford if in the first place he doesn't want to make the unification fight happen. He even got the nerve to say some words after he defeated Ugas that he's going after Crawford and then afterwards, what did he do, he ducked.
If he wants sympathy, then he should do the right thing because they are all professionals because it's not just him who wanted the fame and money, they all are.

Maybe if Crawford will move to 154, they might face Spence there if the latter will win his debut fight at 154.

But as far rumored plan for Crawford is concerned, it seems he's not ready yet to move at 154 as he sticks to his plan of unifying the belts there.

No choice for Crawford if he sticks to that plan, wait for Spence to win on 154 as he will stay there for sure, and wait for a new opponent when Spence vacated all his belts at 154.

Even if Crawford will make a move towards 154, it's still the same, there's no guarantee that these two will face each other knowing that Spence got an influential promoter on his back. Other than that, there's no sense if Crawford will follow Spence at 154 because just like what you've said, it's not what Crawford's plan which is to unify the belts at 147 and be the first person to be the undisputed champion in two separate divisions.

There are news though that Spence might leave 147 lbs and move to 154 lbs because he wanted to go and win another belt. Him and Charlo the reigning champion, if I'm not mistaken are close or at least know each other for a long time and share boxing gym.

So that will be big for Spence if he goes after Charlo, but this is the business that they choose so they will have to face each other specially if Charlo wins against Tim Tsyzu later. Fight could still be on, whether 147-154 lbs as long as they are willing to talk and someone's ego has to be check before this fight can be made.

[harizen]

Even if Crawford will make a move towards 154, it's still the same, there's no guarantee that these two will face each other knowing that Spence got an influential promoter on his back.

For let's say both Crawford and Spence will move to 154, they need to vacate their titles at 147. I don't know if either of them can have a title match at 154 right away but seems to me that, for ranking purposes and eligibility, they really need to face each other "mandatorily".

Anyways, as far as news and rumors are concerned, I think Spence's plan of having a debut fight at 154 will not be prioritized now.

Spence and Crawford are reportedly resuming the talks of their supposed mega bout. Just a piece of advice that to minimize being disappointed, we should not again, expect that it will materialize for real. If the said talk failed again, at least we are used to it lol.

[carlisle1]

Even if Crawford will make a move towards 154, it's still the same, there's no guarantee that these two will face each other knowing that Spence got an influential promoter on his back.

For let's say both Crawford and Spence will move to 154, they need to vacate their titles at 147. I don't know if either of them can have a title match at 154 right away but seems to me that, for ranking purposes and eligibility, they really need to face each other "mandatorily".

Anyways, as far as news and rumors are concerned, I think Spence's plan of having a debut fight at 154 will not be prioritized now.

Spence and Crawford are reportedly resuming the talks of their supposed mega bout. Just a piece of advice that to minimize being disappointed, we should not again, expect that it will materialize for real. If the said talk failed again, at least we are used to it lol.

Better not to expect to much and just wait for any update if fight will happen then it's good for the fans, if not, just like
what we did before just move on and forget about it.

Spence and Crawford's mega fight is full of politics, same goes to what happened with Pacquiao and Mayweather before.

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

[Japinat]

Even if Crawford will make a move towards 154, it's still the same, there's no guarantee that these two will face each other knowing that Spence got an influential promoter on his back.

For let's say both Crawford and Spence will move to 154, they need to vacate their titles at 147. I don't know if either of them can have a title match at 154 right away but seems to me that, for ranking purposes and eligibility, they really need to face each other "mandatorily".

Anyways, as far as news and rumors are concerned, I think Spence's plan of having a debut fight at 154 will not be prioritized now.

Spence and Crawford are reportedly resuming the talks of their supposed mega bout. Just a piece of advice that to minimize being disappointed, we should not again, expect that it will materialize for real. If the said talk failed again, at least we are used to it lol.

Better not to expect to much and just wait for any update if fight will happen then it's good for the fans, if not, just like
what we did before just move on and forget about it.

Spence and Crawford's mega fight is full of politics, same goes to what happened with Pacquiao and Mayweather before.

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

At least that fight of Pacquaio vs Mayweather happened even though it was full of politics and hurdles back in the day, how about this? It's not just about politics because it was Errol Spence Jr. who doesn't want to materialize the fight and they are just bringing some non-sense reasons on the table like misunderstanding about the purse to hide the fact that they don't want it in the first place.

[goinmerry]

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

Actually that's not what happened. The Pacman vs Mayweather fight is expected to be the top grossing fight but end up dissapointment in terms of the supposed expectations. The hype is not that big anymore when they fight as fans want to see instead the prime Pacquiao.

But we can't compared it to the current Spence vs Crawford negotiation as on that Pacman vs Mayweather issues, Mayweather is the one being seen the main reason why it took a long time to organize his fight against Manny. Here in Spence vs Crawford, it's not just Spence that might be the only hindrance but the boxing council themselves. There are lots of parties that can be considered a problem why the talk can't be finalized.

[Kemarit]

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

Actually that's not what happened. The Pacman vs Mayweather fight is expected to be the top grossing fight but end up dissapointment in terms of the supposed expectations. The hype is not that big anymore when they fight as fans want to see instead the prime Pacquiao.

Yes, Floyd doesn't want to face a prime Pacquiao, when Manny was defeating this big guys, he let someone do the job for him, for softening Manny. And it really took a big tool on Manny fighting bigger guys like Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Because after that specially against Marquez, he was really exposed and his chin is no longer there.

But we can't compared it to the current Spence vs Crawford negotiation as on that Pacman vs Mayweather issues, Mayweather is the one being seen the main reason why it took a long time to organize his fight against Manny. Here in Spence vs Crawford, it's not just Spence that might be the only hindrance but the boxing council themselves. There are lots of parties that can be considered a problem why the talk can't be finalized.

Promoters, networks affiliations and others, but the thing is that Top Rank and Floyd was able to put that in the table and divide the it between themselves. Unlike in the Crawford vs Spence fight, it seems that it's one side, since Crawford doesn't have the manager to negotiate and PBC and Al Haymon wanted to take control of everything from the beginning.

[BitcoinPanther]

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

Actually that's not what happened. The Pacman vs Mayweather fight is expected to be the top grossing fight but end up dissapointment in terms of the supposed expectations. The hype is not that big anymore when they fight as fans want to see instead the prime Pacquiao.

Also Manny has an injury during the fight so his performance is greatly affected.  Even though they made it known to Floyd's camp and ask something to lessend the effect of injury but got denied.  At the end we have seen and injured past prime Manny during the Pacquiao - Mayweather Jr. fight.

But we can't compared it to the current Spence vs Crawford negotiation as on that Pacman vs Mayweather issues, Mayweather is the one being seen the main reason why it took a long time to organize his fight against Manny. Here in Spence vs Crawford, it's not just Spence that might be the only hindrance but the boxing council themselves. There are lots of parties that can be considered a problem why the talk can't be finalized.

True, but in the end, it is the failure of the boxing council to cement a fight for both fighters so I can say there is a common factor why these two set of boxers takes too long to have their match organized and that is the failure of the sanctioning bodies to implement mandatory fights between boxers.

[goinmerry]

since Crawford doesn't have the manager to negotiate and PBC and Al Haymon wanted to take control of everything from the beginning.

Because PBC is obviously taking care of its business, it just make sense for them to owned all the rights and demands as as they are the one who will do most of the works to make the mega fight happened and Crawford as a free agent will just wait and relax.

Since Spence is also a valuable and top worthy boxer, PBC will not rely on Crawford's status to make the fight a highly revenue match.

What I don't understand is, the boxing councils can just mandate the unification match as every criteria are now being meet by both Spence and Crawford. But instead, Crawford is the only one being mandated to a title defense so far and the worst is, not even against a popular boxer.

[freedomgo]

they took a long process before it happened, they really attached fans to make sure that they will earn huge amount of money.

Actually that's not what happened. The Pacman vs Mayweather fight is expected to be the top grossing fight but end up dissapointment in terms of the supposed expectations. The hype is not that big anymore when they fight as fans want to see instead the prime Pacquiao.

Also Manny has an injury during the fight so his performance is greatly affected.  Even though they made it known to Floyd's camp and ask something to lessend the effect of injury but got denied.  At the end we have seen and injured past prime Manny during the Pacquiao - Mayweather Jr. fight.

Yes, I remember that many fans of Mayweather have said that the Filipino champ was just faking that he got an injury prior to the fight to make an excuse but later on, it was revealed and confirmed that Pacquiao did really had a shoulder injury which causes his performance to decline especially in the late rounds.

But we can't compared it to the current Spence vs Crawford negotiation as on that Pacman vs Mayweather issues, Mayweather is the one being seen the main reason why it took a long time to organize his fight against Manny. Here in Spence vs Crawford, it's not just Spence that might be the only hindrance but the boxing council themselves. There are lots of parties that can be considered a problem why the talk can't be finalized.

True, but in the end, it is the failure of the boxing council to cement a fight for both fighters so I can say there is a common factor why these two set of boxers takes too long to have their match organized and that is the failure of the sanctioning bodies to implement mandatory fights between boxers.

That is the downside of this industry, they got the four major bodies to help both camps settle and materialize a fight, and then give the people the entertainment they wanted but instead, these bodies are on the payroll of some influential promoters.

[stadus]

since Crawford doesn't have the manager to negotiate and PBC and Al Haymon wanted to take control of everything from the beginning.

Because PBC is obviously taking care of its business, it just make sense for them to owned all the rights and demands as as they are the one who will do most of the works to make the mega fight happened and Crawford as a free agent will just wait and relax.

Since Spence is also a valuable and top worthy boxer, PBC will not rely on Crawford's status to make the fight a highly revenue match.

What I don't understand is, the boxing councils can just mandate the unification match as every criteria are now being meet by both Spence and Crawford. But instead, Crawford is the only one being mandated to a title defense so far and the worst is, not even against a popular boxer.

Nobody can do anything about it because Al Haymon thrived to be in his position now and cared much for his boxer so that they can own the division, just like what they have now. So, it's practically everything they will say will go and that's what we have now. Spence might also got his own mandatory defense but there's no title to defend that's why they aren't taking it seriously.

That said, Crawford got not much of a choice but to wait until the time will favor him because even if he will have a fight in super-welter, he can't still meet the title holder because Al Haymon own them.