Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman

[Fredomago]

If the boxing body ordered but then the fighters didn't follow, he will be either stripped of the belt or have to pay them huge some of money, which I don't think Spence is willing to do. And as we have argued, they are in the same stable mate, so this fight is easy to be made. Just goes down on the money, but for sure Spence is going to be the A-side here, maybe 60-40 or 60-35, nevertheless it's all in house money.

Yes, I agree. Spence won't do something stupid and cancel the fight because of his own reason. In fact, he should be able to handle Keith Thurman.

About the purse split, it makes sense to think that Spence will surely have the biggest slice of the pie for obvious reasons.

Spence won't be called a "PPV King" for nothing that's why my guess will be, 60-35 in favor of Spence.

Yes, Spence will get the biggest part of the purse here, he is the champion the most active, and one of the biggest attraction in boxing and in this weight class. Thurman will have to play his part to accept the lesser money. But still a win win situation for him if he beat Spence and maybe him and Crawford can fight next.

Was just watching the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight and the hype behind it.

Lol, Thurman really bring the best out of Manny Pacquiao with all his trash talking and when he was knock down, that sums up what the fight will end up when you trash talk one of the biggest punchers. Anyhow, let's see how they will going to promote it, for sure there will be a lot of trash talking as well.

I'm waiting for him to bring something to hype the media and bring intensity and that kind of inspration for Spence when they are both inside the ring, I don't think Thurman will missed this kind of exposure, knowing that he really wanted to challenge the defending champion, if he manage to upset Spence here, he will gain a huge hype to his career and for sure more money fight to expect.

We don't know if what will be the outcome the conclusion will be dictated after the fight.

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[Yaunfitda]

If the boxing body ordered but then the fighters didn't follow, he will be either stripped of the belt or have to pay them huge some of money, which I don't think Spence is willing to do. And as we have argued, they are in the same stable mate, so this fight is easy to be made. Just goes down on the money, but for sure Spence is going to be the A-side here, maybe 60-40 or 60-35, nevertheless it's all in house money.

Yes, I agree. Spence won't do something stupid and cancel the fight because of his own reason. In fact, he should be able to handle Keith Thurman.

About the purse split, it makes sense to think that Spence will surely have the biggest slice of the pie for obvious reasons.

Spence won't be called a "PPV King" for nothing that's why my guess will be, 60-35 in favor of Spence.

Yes, Spence will get the biggest part of the purse here, he is the champion the most active, and one of the biggest attraction in boxing and in this weight class. Thurman will have to play his part to accept the lesser money. But still a win win situation for him if he beat Spence and maybe him and Crawford can fight next.

Was just watching the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight and the hype behind it.

Lol, Thurman really bring the best out of Manny Pacquiao with all his trash talking and when he was knock down, that sums up what the fight will end up when you trash talk one of the biggest punchers. Anyhow, let's see how they will going to promote it, for sure there will be a lot of trash talking as well.

I'm waiting for him to bring something to hype the media and bring intensity and that kind of inspration for Spence when they are both inside the ring, I don't think Thurman will missed this kind of exposure, knowing that he really wanted to challenge the defending champion, if he manage to upset Spence here, he will gain a huge hype to his career and for sure more money fight to expect.

We don't know if what will be the outcome the conclusion will be dictated after the fight.

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

^^ Yes, even in the Pacquiao fight, his training or at least when he do the his drills, he is somewhat very slow and not that agile. Maybe that's how Thurman's training is, not focusing on the speed but power because he want's to try to knockout his opponent, and even before he was knock down or lost the fight to Manny, he is known to have that punching power.

So there's no difference it training at all for him, but I think he is more faster that Ugas that Spence recently beat. But has more power behind it. He had Manny in trouble in the later rounds, it's that his weakness was a body punch and when Manny hit him in the stomach, he somewhat wince, meaning he is affected.

I understand what you are saying, I know that some boxers focus on training to their highest potential, in this case it is as you say they want to focus on having more power from the punches, but there are many vulnerabilities when a boxer focuses only on one strategy, if he does not achieve to make a knockout you have to appeal to another plan, but what really fails here is that if you prepare only to knock out you have to get rid of the resistance and from the way you say it, I think neither the time nor the body will reach you You will be able to resist a training so focused on two things, you also have to do things with your diet, it is very different to train for both things, and come out well.


Well, I think many of us know that Spence took this fight as a way to leave Crawford behind and give another view of what his fight could be, here he showed that he will fight Crawford whenever he wants, and I think that for now he can give himself This luxury, I know that Thurman is a boxer who can talk too much, but when he finds himself in the ring with Spence, even if he has said what he has said, if he doesn't know how to do it, I think he will fall, for me there is nothing else, of course. It must be taken into account that in boxing anything can happen and Thurman can obviously win, but to be honest, I see it as very difficult, especially with all the speculations that have been given.

[Kemarit]

^^ Yes, even in the Pacquiao fight, his training or at least when he do the his drills, he is somewhat very slow and not that agile. Maybe that's how Thurman's training is, not focusing on the speed but power because he want's to try to knockout his opponent, and even before he was knock down or lost the fight to Manny, he is known to have that punching power.

So there's no difference it training at all for him, but I think he is more faster that Ugas that Spence recently beat. But has more power behind it. He had Manny in trouble in the later rounds, it's that his weakness was a body punch and when Manny hit him in the stomach, he somewhat wince, meaning he is affected.

I understand what you are saying, I know that some boxers focus on training to their highest potential, in this case it is as you say they want to focus on having more power from the punches, but there are many vulnerabilities when a boxer focuses only on one strategy, if he does not achieve to make a knockout you have to appeal to another plan, but what really fails here is that if you prepare only to knock out you have to get rid of the resistance and from the way you say it, I think neither the time nor the body will reach you You will be able to resist a training so focused on two things, you also have to do things with your diet, it is very different to train for both things, and come out well.

Of course that's what boxing is, to knock out someone or you yourself gets knock out. For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

We haven't seen Thurman having weight problems making the 147 lbs limit so yeah, he is good at his diet or maybe someone is monitoring it for him, just like Spence. They know that this is important to they hire someone to help them maintain their weight within the limit and maybe diet a bit so that they will get everything in a balance.

[Slow death]

For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

man, in sport, it has nothing to do with religion, it has nothing to do with god, in the case of boxing some fighters have good genetic advantages, like height and good physique that when they train a lot they manage to get much stronger, other fighters don't have the same luck in having a good genetic advantage and as a result they are very short and also do not have a great physique, we can see that Russian fighters have had good genetic advantage like good height, muscles, good physique and for that reason they have I did very well in fights, but the same cannot be said about many fighters in Asia where they are very short and have a very disadvantageous physique

[btc_angela]

For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

man, in sport, it has nothing to do with religion, it has nothing to do with god, in the case of boxing some fighters have good genetic advantages, like height and good physique that when they train a lot they manage to get much stronger, other fighters don't have the same luck in having a good genetic advantage and as a result they are very short and also do not have a great physique, we can see that Russian fighters have had good genetic advantage like good height, muscles, good physique and for that reason they have I did very well in fights, but the same cannot be said about many fighters in Asia where they are very short and have a very disadvantageous physique

Perhaps what he meant is that you are either born with power like let's say Mike Tyson in HW or Manny Pacquaio when he is tearing the boxing division, jumping from weight class to weight class.

So maybe you don't know how to read between the lines and you literally take the meaning.

That's like what you are describing, they are born with it so it's genetic. And you mentioned Asian, yeah they are short and small but nevertheless there are champions coming from that region, again like Manny who has been endowed with that talent and genetics.

[Baofeng]

If the boxing body ordered but then the fighters didn't follow, he will be either stripped of the belt or have to pay them huge some of money, which I don't think Spence is willing to do. And as we have argued, they are in the same stable mate, so this fight is easy to be made. Just goes down on the money, but for sure Spence is going to be the A-side here, maybe 60-40 or 60-35, nevertheless it's all in house money.

Yes, I agree. Spence won't do something stupid and cancel the fight because of his own reason. In fact, he should be able to handle Keith Thurman.

About the purse split, it makes sense to think that Spence will surely have the biggest slice of the pie for obvious reasons.

Spence won't be called a "PPV King" for nothing that's why my guess will be, 60-35 in favor of Spence.

Yes, Spence will get the biggest part of the purse here, he is the champion the most active, and one of the biggest attraction in boxing and in this weight class. Thurman will have to play his part to accept the lesser money. But still a win win situation for him if he beat Spence and maybe him and Crawford can fight next.

Was just watching the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight and the hype behind it.

Lol, Thurman really bring the best out of Manny Pacquiao with all his trash talking and when he was knock down, that sums up what the fight will end up when you trash talk one of the biggest punchers. Anyhow, let's see how they will going to promote it, for sure there will be a lot of trash talking as well.

I'm waiting for him to bring something to hype the media and bring intensity and that kind of inspration for Spence when they are both inside the ring, I don't think Thurman will missed this kind of exposure, knowing that he really wanted to challenge the defending champion, if he manage to upset Spence here, he will gain a huge hype to his career and for sure more money fight to expect.

We don't know if what will be the outcome the conclusion will be dictated after the fight.

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

Hehehe, he is no longer the king of welterweight, when he step out because he had injuries, he is not the same anymore. And it was Spence who took over now as a champion obviously because he has the majority of the belt. Maybe if he has beaten Manny then he will have one, then Spence two, and Crawford one.

But now he has none, his last fight was not very impressive to say the least. However, I know that he is much of a trash talker like Spence so this is really good for us boxing fans and see how this two are going to hype the fight for us.

[freedomgo]

If the boxing body ordered but then the fighters didn't follow, he will be either stripped of the belt or have to pay them huge some of money, which I don't think Spence is willing to do. And as we have argued, they are in the same stable mate, so this fight is easy to be made. Just goes down on the money, but for sure Spence is going to be the A-side here, maybe 60-40 or 60-35, nevertheless it's all in house money.

Yes, I agree. Spence won't do something stupid and cancel the fight because of his own reason. In fact, he should be able to handle Keith Thurman.

About the purse split, it makes sense to think that Spence will surely have the biggest slice of the pie for obvious reasons.

Spence won't be called a "PPV King" for nothing that's why my guess will be, 60-35 in favor of Spence.

Yes, Spence will get the biggest part of the purse here, he is the champion the most active, and one of the biggest attraction in boxing and in this weight class. Thurman will have to play his part to accept the lesser money. But still a win win situation for him if he beat Spence and maybe him and Crawford can fight next.

Was just watching the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight and the hype behind it.

Lol, Thurman really bring the best out of Manny Pacquiao with all his trash talking and when he was knock down, that sums up what the fight will end up when you trash talk one of the biggest punchers. Anyhow, let's see how they will going to promote it, for sure there will be a lot of trash talking as well.

I'm waiting for him to bring something to hype the media and bring intensity and that kind of inspration for Spence when they are both inside the ring, I don't think Thurman will missed this kind of exposure, knowing that he really wanted to challenge the defending champion, if he manage to upset Spence here, he will gain a huge hype to his career and for sure more money fight to expect.

We don't know if what will be the outcome the conclusion will be dictated after the fight.

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

I don't know but I think Spence should start boasting about he is the king if he already managed to unite all four belts in welterweight division, still too premature for him to call himself a king because Crawford is still there and the top contenders like Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis are also decent especially Ennis.

But for Thurman, I know he got skills but this upcoming fight with Spence is quite different. Let's see who's who because I know both of them wouldn't give each other an advantage to take. I expect a good toe-to-toe fight as both boxers like that.

[Fredomago]

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

Reading your statement and I'm for sure that there's a typo error here, with the constructions of your wordings it reflecting that it was Thurman that you wanted to point out and not Spence. Thurman is the one who lost with Pacquiao and not Spence, the fight between Pacquiao and Spence got cancelled and Pacquiao face Ugas who in latter part Spence beated from his last fight.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

Loud trashtalkers but this time he needed to prove something more, losing with Pacquiao after that trash talks, it reflected with his career as he take a long break and now that he decide to comeback, he's challenging Spence for the title, something that will bring the fans attentions to know what he can still show fighting agaisnt the top caliber from his division again.

[chaser15]

I don't know but I think Spence should start boasting about he is the king if he already managed to unite all four belts in welterweight division, still too premature for him to call himself a king because Crawford is still there and the top contenders like Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis are also decent especially Ennis.

I can't recall Errol Spence Jr. boasting that he is the Welterweight King or even calling himself that title.

In fact, though he is considered as PPV King, I don't remember Spence even saying he's the PPV King.

But if that's true that he is boasting a self-proclaimed status, I don't know what to think about Spence especially since there are lots of things to do in the Welterweight before he can say that he's the King at that weight division.

[Getmon]

No update until now? Despite being in the same stable, they still find it difficult to negotiate. Who is at fault here? Is it on Thurman or Spence? I had reservations about this fight occurring as soon as I saw this topic. Spence previously stated that he would not offer Thurman one of his three belts. To settle this fight, perhaps the WBC should simply move forward with a purse bid. We don't want to lose time by waiting around.

I would want to see Thurman or Spence take on Ennis and Ortiz Jr.

[Kemarit]

For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

man, in sport, it has nothing to do with religion, it has nothing to do with god, in the case of boxing some fighters have good genetic advantages, like height and good physique that when they train a lot they manage to get much stronger, other fighters don't have the same luck in having a good genetic advantage and as a result they are very short and also do not have a great physique, we can see that Russian fighters have had good genetic advantage like good height, muscles, good physique and for that reason they have I did very well in fights, but the same cannot be said about many fighters in Asia where they are very short and have a very disadvantageous physique

I did not mentioned religion mate, I just say that a boxer was born with power, it means you have that ability since you were born meaning God has blessed you with that and you have to sharpen it up with good trainers to help you and be the best boxer that you can be.

I do agree that there are boxers that are small, and yet they become world champion in the lower class. So everyone is built for a specific purpose. European and Black athletes could be great in the higher weight class like HW, while there are Asians that can take over the lower class.

[Jating]

I don't know but I think Spence should start boasting about he is the king if he already managed to unite all four belts in welterweight division, still too premature for him to call himself a king because Crawford is still there and the top contenders like Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis are also decent especially Ennis.

I can't recall Errol Spence Jr. boasting that he is the Welterweight King or even calling himself that title.

In fact, though he is considered as PPV King, I don't remember Spence even saying he's the PPV King.

But if that's true that he is boasting a self-proclaimed status, I don't know what to think about Spence especially since there are lots of things to do in the Welterweight before he can say that he's the King at that weight division.

Regardless though of the claims, we all know that Spence Jr has the 3 belts so we can say yeah, majority of the belt is his so he could be the king of welterweight division. But still him and Crawford are the only champion unfortunately, the biggest fight in their division is not going to happen.

Hopefully we can hear that this fight is going to be official. This is ordered by the governing body already, we don't want another fight being hype and ordered and then suddenly it won't happen because of many reasons or fighters backing out in the last minute.

[Baofeng]

I don't know but I think Spence should start boasting about he is the king if he already managed to unite all four belts in welterweight division, still too premature for him to call himself a king because Crawford is still there and the top contenders like Ortiz Jr. and Boots Ennis are also decent especially Ennis.

I can't recall Errol Spence Jr. boasting that he is the Welterweight King or even calling himself that title.

In fact, though he is considered as PPV King, I don't remember Spence even saying he's the PPV King.

But if that's true that he is boasting a self-proclaimed status, I don't know what to think about Spence especially since there are lots of things to do in the Welterweight before he can say that he's the King at that weight division.

Regardless though of the claims, we all know that Spence Jr has the 3 belts so we can say yeah, majority of the belt is his so he could be the king of welterweight division. But still him and Crawford are the only champion unfortunately, the biggest fight in their division is not going to happen.

Hopefully we can hear that this fight is going to be official. This is ordered by the governing body already, we don't want another fight being hype and ordered and then suddenly it won't happen because of many reasons or fighters backing out in the last minute.

I don't see any stumbling block in this fight, both are in the same stable of PBC and Al Haymon so in paper this fight is doable and could be considered as 99%. And if not mandated, I think PBC will have to look for a fighter to match Spence and probably they will also have in mind Keith Thurman.

Although the rumored date is supposedly December 17, this is not going to happen.

They could have agreed that the best scheduled could be next year.

[Natalim]

Although the rumored date is supposedly December 17, this is not going to happen.

They could have agreed that the best scheduled could be next year.

There's no time, they should have confirmed already so they will start having a tour to market the fight. If this fight will be realized, most likely it will happen in the 1st quarter of next year. I heard that it's mandatory, so there's no need to worry, we will eventually witness this fight, but of course there's no assurance when, so we have no choice but to wait for the formal announcement.

[Baofeng]

Although the rumored date is supposedly December 17, this is not going to happen.

They could have agreed that the best scheduled could be next year.

There's no time, they should have confirmed already so they will start having a tour to market the fight. If this fight will be realized, most likely it will happen in the 1st quarter of next year. I heard that it's mandatory, so there's no need to worry, we will eventually witness this fight, but of course there's no assurance when, so we have no choice but to wait for the formal announcement.

As you may know by now, Spence was in another car accident, although he is not injured, he is complaining about some pain in his legs.

So don't be surprised if the fight might push a bit next year because of this incident. And this could be good for Thurman though as he will have more time in preparing for this fight. Wait for the final announcement, maybe if Spence is fully healed we might hear the fight finally happening in the 1st quarter of next year.

[Fredomago]

Although the rumored date is supposedly December 17, this is not going to happen.

They could have agreed that the best scheduled could be next year.

There's no time, they should have confirmed already so they will start having a tour to market the fight. If this fight will be realized, most likely it will happen in the 1st quarter of next year. I heard that it's mandatory, so there's no need to worry, we will eventually witness this fight, but of course there's no assurance when, so we have no choice but to wait for the formal announcement.

As you may know by now, Spence was in another car accident, although he is not injured, he is complaining about some pain in his legs.

So don't be surprised if the fight might push a bit next year because of this incident. And this could be good for Thurman though as he will have more time in preparing for this fight. Wait for the final announcement, maybe if Spence is fully healed we might hear the fight finally happening in the 1st quarter of next year.

I also think that way, since there's an accident that happened the fight may be delayed to secure Spence condition, it's a mandatory though so it will just adjust the time which will favor both fighters, they will have more time for conditioning and preparing for the fight. We just need to wait for the final announcement and wait if what's the final date for this upcoming fight.

[inthelongrun]

No update until now? Despite being in the same stable, they still find it difficult to negotiate. Who is at fault here? Is it on Thurman or Spence? I had reservations about this fight occurring as soon as I saw this topic. Spence previously stated that he would not offer Thurman one of his three belts. To settle this fight, perhaps the WBC should simply move forward with a purse bid. We don't want to lose time by waiting around.

I would want to see Thurman or Spence take on Ennis and Ortiz Jr.

Good to see you here mate. It seems like this fight may not happen at all after Errol Spence had another car accident. He mentioned that his leg is injured although I cannot find any more news about the severity of his injury. 

You know the WBC, they are up for the money and they do not want to mess with big promoters as well which means Vergil Ortiz is probably out of the picture for Thurman. The WBC might also consider a garbage interim belt while Spence is still healing. 

[Natalim]

Although the rumored date is supposedly December 17, this is not going to happen.

They could have agreed that the best scheduled could be next year.

There's no time, they should have confirmed already so they will start having a tour to market the fight. If this fight will be realized, most likely it will happen in the 1st quarter of next year. I heard that it's mandatory, so there's no need to worry, we will eventually witness this fight, but of course there's no assurance when, so we have no choice but to wait for the formal announcement.

As you may know by now, Spence was in another car accident, although he is not injured, he is complaining about some pain in his legs.

So don't be surprised if the fight might push a bit next year because of this incident. And this could be good for Thurman though as he will have more time in preparing for this fight. Wait for the final announcement, maybe if Spence is fully healed we might hear the fight finally happening in the 1st quarter of next year.

It's not about the preparation as they will be given enough time to prepare for this fight. If this would happen next year, then it's still okay as long as it will not let us wait too long, 1st quarter is good enough, I'm sure that's enough time for Spence to recover as well.

[Yaunfitda]

I'm seeing Spence claiming that he is still the king of welterweight and the recent set of fighters are just wannabes, including Spence and Crawford to some extend. He can claim that he is still the best although he has lost to Manny Pacquiao years ago.

Reading your statement and I'm for sure that there's a typo error here, with the constructions of your wordings it reflecting that it was Thurman that you wanted to point out and not Spence. Thurman is the one who lost with Pacquiao and not Spence, the fight between Pacquiao and Spence got cancelled and Pacquiao face Ugas who in latter part Spence beated from his last fight.

And I think fans are going to watch this fight, could be one of the most anticipated fight in welterweight as Thurman is also a very loud trash talker and we can see some disrespect brewing in this fight.

Loud trashtalkers but this time he needed to prove something more, losing with Pacquiao after that trash talks, it reflected with his career as he take a long break and now that he decide to comeback, he's challenging Spence for the title, something that will bring the fans attentions to know what he can still show fighting agaisnt the top caliber from his division again.

Yes, it was Thurman.

I don't think he will change his trash talker though. If this fight is going to be made, Thurman will be on the offensive here and maybe he will start something just to get into Spence never.

But we will have to wait, as reported Spence had a injury but not that serious, just a rest this holiday might be enough for him to recover and have this fight for early next year.