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September 04, 2023, 09:54:15 AM
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Yeah, fair enough, but what I'm saying is that in South America and Europe you have fans talking about footaball 365 days a year, every year.

It's like religion. Everyone loves it and lives it.

Whereas in America is just popular when there's something big going on.

Well.. the last line summarizes it. It's a good thing, right? In Europe and Latin America, too much importance is being given to one sport and everything else suffers as a result. But in the United States, no one sport is having a monopoly and there is enough attention being given to most of the Olympic disciplines. One disadvantage with the United States is that despite being the no.1 economy in the world, they don't have a good football league. The Major League Soccer is nowhere in comparison to European leagues such as Serie A or EPL.
The United States is the most financially powerful country, so their country does not have any major leagues like the English Premier League, La Liga or Serie A, which is why they have not made much progress in football so far. USA is lagging behind in all sports not only football but cricket volleyball or any other sport except football. The better the economic condition of the United States, the better they can surely produce a league of good quality. If the US invests money in different sports, they will surely succeed and until they give too much importance to one sport, they will never do well in all of them. The United States is very focused on the Olympics, which is why they achieve significant success in the Olympics every year. The US should give equal importance to the Olympics as well as other sports.

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September 04, 2023, 03:02:06 PM
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Security is the one thing I am worried about, the rest can be handled well. The organizations, the events, the products that is needed, everything will be there and will be fine and I do not think any problems will arise at all in any of the nations.

The one and only thing I am not certain about is security,  because there will be a lot of people riled up at the games and they will need a lot of extra security for it, Mexico is already known as a dangerous nation, true or not there is a rumor about it at least, and Canada doesn't have any which means they also do not have enough law enforcement to spare for hundreds of thousands of new people as well, and USA already has troubles as we know. It is going to be tough without a doubt.

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September 04, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
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Yeah, fair enough, but what I'm saying is that in South America and Europe you have fans talking about footaball 365 days a year, every year.

It's like religion. Everyone loves it and lives it.

Whereas in America is just popular when there's something big going on.

Well.. the last line summarizes it. It's a good thing, right? In Europe and Latin America, too much importance is being given to one sport and everything else suffers as a result. But in the United States, no one sport is having a monopoly and there is enough attention being given to most of the Olympic disciplines. One disadvantage with the United States is that despite being the no.1 economy in the world, they don't have a good football league. The Major League Soccer is nowhere in comparison to European leagues such as Serie A or EPL.
The United States is the most financially powerful country, so their country does not have any major leagues like the English Premier League, La Liga or Serie A, which is why they have not made much progress in football so far. USA is lagging behind in all sports not only football but cricket volleyball or any other sport except football. The better the economic condition of the United States, the better they can surely produce a league of good quality. If the US invests money in different sports, they will surely succeed and until they give too much importance to one sport, they will never do well in all of them. The United States is very focused on the Olympics, which is why they achieve significant success in the Olympics every year. The US should give equal importance to the Olympics as well as other sports.
Right on the money when it comes to the American sports environment! Surprisingly, the US. has made progress in some games but has "overlooked" football (also called soccer). The 2026 World Cup, which will be held in the US., Canada, and Mexico, could be a turning point for soccer in the US. The top objectives should be a profitable league system and programs to help kids grow up. But lets not forget that basketball, baseball, and American football are also very good in the US. Diversifying spending in sports would be good for the country, and not just in soccer. It would also be good for cricket and volleyball

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September 04, 2023, 04:01:06 PM
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Security is the one thing I am worried about, the rest can be handled well. The organizations, the events, the products that is needed, everything will be there and will be fine and I do not think any problems will arise at all in any of the nations.

The one and only thing I am not certain about is security,  because there will be a lot of people riled up at the games and they will need a lot of extra security for it, Mexico is already known as a dangerous nation, true or not there is a rumor about it at least, and Canada doesn't have any which means they also do not have enough law enforcement to spare for hundreds of thousands of new people as well, and USA already has troubles as we know. It is going to be tough without a doubt.
Qatar doesn't have security issues and their security forces aren't that much, they simply temporarily hired members of other nations security forces to secure World Cup. For USA, I doubt they have these issues and they will take the necessary measures and if necessary national guards will get involved.
For Canada, I think they don't have big issues and Mexico army at worst might be present. I am not underestimating security, but I don't think it will be a problem at least in Stadium and streets around it.

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September 04, 2023, 04:10:10 PM
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Security is the one thing I am worried about, the rest can be handled well. The organizations, the events, the products that is needed, everything will be there and will be fine and I do not think any problems will arise at all in any of the nations.

The one and only thing I am not certain about is security,  because there will be a lot of people riled up at the games and they will need a lot of extra security for it, Mexico is already known as a dangerous nation, true or not there is a rumor about it at least, and Canada doesn't have any which means they also do not have enough law enforcement to spare for hundreds of thousands of new people as well, and USA already has troubles as we know. It is going to be tough without a doubt.

I think that's one of the few reasons why both Canada and Mexico are only offered 10 games each, their resources alone are not enough to take point for the event's security because if they focus on that area, some areas would be at risk as well. We know that there will be some threats (it may be an empty threat or not) but it will be the security's responsibility to settle it without making the people panic so that the games will happen as smoothly as possible.

While for the games that will happen in US soil, it will be safe to assume that all games will happen as planned without any hurdles because they have enough resources and manpower to do the job while the people spectating the event are enjoying. Regarding that, it's expected that their securities will be heightened during the whole duration.

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September 04, 2023, 05:07:17 PM
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Security is the one thing I am worried about, the rest can be handled well. The organizations, the events, the products that is needed, everything will be there and will be fine and I do not think any problems will arise at all in any of the nations.

The one and only thing I am not certain about is security,  because there will be a lot of people riled up at the games and they will need a lot of extra security for it, Mexico is already known as a dangerous nation, true or not there is a rumor about it at least, and Canada doesn't have any which means they also do not have enough law enforcement to spare for hundreds of thousands of new people as well, and USA already has troubles as we know. It is going to be tough without a doubt.

I would not sweat too much about it, to be honest.
Even before the World Cup takes place there will be people from all three administrations designing plans to prevent any incident to happen, though I have got the impression those threats you are talking about have something to do with illegal immigration and other similar policies.

However, the hosts are better to show more attention to possible extremist islamic cells which could take advantage of this world even to spread their message through violence, the Islamic state and other groups from the middle east are still active and operating from the shadows.
Cartels are mostly into violence for money, not politics.

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September 05, 2023, 03:10:05 AM
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I think that's one of the few reasons why both Canada and Mexico are only offered 10 games each, their resources alone are not enough to take point for the event's security because if they focus on that area, some areas would be at risk as well. We know that there will be some threats (it may be an empty threat or not) but it will be the security's responsibility to settle it without making the people panic so that the games will happen as smoothly as possible.

While for the games that will happen in US soil, it will be safe to assume that all games will happen as planned without any hurdles because they have enough resources and manpower to do the job while the people spectating the event are enjoying. Regarding that, it's expected that their securities will be heightened during the whole duration.

The 1986 FIFA World Cup was hosted by Mexico. There were a total of 24 participants, and the matches were held across 12 venues. In total, 52 matches were played. So it is clear that Mexico has the capability to host a large number of matches. Now the question is why so little matches have been allotted to Mexico and Canada this time. Answer is that they are co-hosts in name only. USA is the proper host and they have given a few matches to the other two countries, just because of their generosity. FIFA is also primarily interested in expanding the game within the US, and they are least bothered about the other two nations.

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Security is the one thing I am worried about, the rest can be handled well. The organizations, the events, the products that is needed, everything will be there and will be fine and I do not think any problems will arise at all in any of the nations.

The one and only thing I am not certain about is security,  because there will be a lot of people riled up at the games and they will need a lot of extra security for it, Mexico is already known as a dangerous nation, true or not there is a rumor about it at least, and Canada doesn't have any which means they also do not have enough law enforcement to spare for hundreds of thousands of new people as well, and USA already has troubles as we know. It is going to be tough without a doubt.

@FanEagle I highly doubt that anything can go wrong with the security at the World Cup as all 3 countries will be deploying huge man power to ensure everything goes well and I also believe that many mock-up scenarios are also run hence the World Cup should go smoothly. Furthermore the fan’s too should act responsibly and follow all the instructions given to them because if they ignore the safety guidelines then they could end up in trouble and then one can’t blame the host country for it.
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I think that's one of the few reasons why both Canada and Mexico are only offered 10 games each, their resources alone are not enough to take point for the event's security because if they focus on that area, some areas would be at risk as well. We know that there will be some threats (it may be an empty threat or not) but it will be the security's responsibility to settle it without making the people panic so that the games will happen as smoothly as possible.

While for the games that will happen in US soil, it will be safe to assume that all games will happen as planned without any hurdles because they have enough resources and manpower to do the job while the people spectating the event are enjoying. Regarding that, it's expected that their securities will be heightened during the whole duration.

The 1986 FIFA World Cup was hosted by Mexico. There were a total of 24 participants, and the matches were held across 12 venues. In total, 52 matches were played. So it is clear that Mexico has the capability to host a large number of matches. Now the question is why so little matches have been allotted to Mexico and Canada this time. Answer is that they are co-hosts in name only. USA is the proper host and they have given a few matches to the other two countries, just because of their generosity. FIFA is also primarily interested in expanding the game within the US, and they are least bothered about the other two nations.
This is also an experiment for FIFA, for many years the top directives of FIFA thought that the world cup awarded to South Korea and Japan was a mistake and there were claims there will never be another world cup with multiple hosts, however they seem to have changed their mind due to the increase on the number of teams and matches, as this increase made way harder for a single country to have all the stadiums necessary to host the world cup, and while this would not have a problem for the US, they are using this world cup to see if this model can work and from now on multiple hosts could become the norm.
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This is also an experiment for FIFA, for many years the top directives of FIFA thought that the world cup awarded to South Korea and Japan was a mistake and there were claims there will never be another world cup with multiple hosts, however they seem to have changed their mind due to the increase on the number of teams and matches, as this increase made way harder for a single country to have all the stadiums necessary to host the world cup, and while this would not have a problem for the US, they are using this world cup to see if this model can work and from now on multiple hosts could become the norm.

I am not in favor of having multiple hosts. One of the few positives from the 2022 FIFA World Cup was that it was hosted by a single country and therefore the fans didn't faced much difficulty in traveling and arranging accommodation. It is going to be a nightmare for the fans in 2026, as they need to travel thousands of miles to watch their favorite teams playing. Some of the matches are being scheduled in one extreme of the continent, and others are being scheduled in the other extreme. I am not sure how this is going to work out.

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This is also an experiment for FIFA, for many years the top directives of FIFA thought that the world cup awarded to South Korea and Japan was a mistake and there were claims there will never be another world cup with multiple hosts, however they seem to have changed their mind due to the increase on the number of teams and matches, as this increase made way harder for a single country to have all the stadiums necessary to host the world cup, and while this would not have a problem for the US, they are using this world cup to see if this model can work and from now on multiple hosts could become the norm.

I am not in favor of having multiple hosts. One of the few positives from the 2022 FIFA World Cup was that it was hosted by a single country and therefore the fans didn't faced much difficulty in traveling and arranging accommodation. It is going to be a nightmare for the fans in 2026, as they need to travel thousands of miles to watch their favorite teams playing. Some of the matches are being scheduled in one extreme of the continent, and others are being scheduled in the other extreme. I am not sure how this is going to work out.

This doesn't make sense because there is no difference at all in terms of distances when the USA hosts the World Cup 2026 alone. Do you really think it matters whether you have to go from Houston to Washington or whether Canada and Mexico are involved? Visa and stuff could be an issue, but that is probably no different when a Mexican wants to go to Qatar or Canada.

Having several hosts can be beneficial for so many reasons as well and I think it is rather a decision that emphasizes inclusion than exclusion. Having the support of a nation like the USA to host the World Cup is good for Mexico as I am sure there will also be a lot of cooperation on the security concepts as well, which is something that can't be neglected at all these days (sadly).

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Winger Anthony has been dropped from Brazil's World Cup qualifying team due to allegations of torture by his girlfriend. On Monday (September 4), the Brazilian media UOL published a news report based on the complaint of Anthony's ex-girlfriend. It was there that the Seleção striker was charged. The police in Sao Paulo and Greater Manchester then took it into account and started an investigation.  However, the 23-year-old winger has denied the allegations. Anthony's comments, I want to say calmly, the allegations are false. The evidence has already been prepared and some more evidence is being produced, which will show that I am innocent. I believe that the ongoing police investigation will bring to light the fact that I am innocent. The allegations that surfaced on Monday need to be investigated. That is why the Manchester United star has been dropped from the national team. Arsenal striker Gabriel Jesus has been called up instead for the 2026 World Cup qualifiers against Bolivia and Peru.

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I think that's one of the few reasons why both Canada and Mexico are only offered 10 games each, their resources alone are not enough to take point for the event's security because if they focus on that area, some areas would be at risk as well. We know that there will be some threats (it may be an empty threat or not) but it will be the security's responsibility to settle it without making the people panic so that the games will happen as smoothly as possible.

While for the games that will happen in US soil, it will be safe to assume that all games will happen as planned without any hurdles because they have enough resources and manpower to do the job while the people spectating the event are enjoying. Regarding that, it's expected that their securities will be heightened during the whole duration.

The 1986 FIFA World Cup was hosted by Mexico. There were a total of 24 participants, and the matches were held across 12 venues. In total, 52 matches were played. So it is clear that Mexico has the capability to host a large number of matches. Now the question is why so little matches have been allotted to Mexico and Canada this time. Answer is that they are co-hosts in name only. USA is the proper host and they have given a few matches to the other two countries, just because of their generosity. FIFA is also primarily interested in expanding the game within the US, and they are least bothered about the other two nations.
This is also an experiment for FIFA, for many years the top directives of FIFA thought that the world cup awarded to South Korea and Japan was a mistake and there were claims there will never be another world cup with multiple hosts, however they seem to have changed their mind due to the increase on the number of teams and matches, as this increase made way harder for a single country to have all the stadiums necessary to host the world cup, and while this would not have a problem for the US, they are using this world cup to see if this model can work and from now on multiple hosts could become the norm.

If they are against it, then they should've forbid these countries from submitting their bid together as one and will only allow one country as a host. But since nothing like that has happened and only claims were made that Japan and South Korea are the last ones to host World Cup together, then it's safe to assume that FIFA are now welcome about the fact because while they are changing the format and adding some games, that means they are looking for a host that got most resources and venue to host such big event. I'm sure that the arrangements were made already hence why Canada and Mexico will only have 10 games each because of the said reason.

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I'm not sure about that, at around the same time that the Women's World Cup was happening in Australia there was also the Netball World Cup, which Australia actually won.

The amount of engagement of the Netball World Cup was nothing compared to the one from The Women's World Cup.

So, it's not really just that there's a world cup event going on, there is also the fact that some sports are more popular than others in general.
Honestly whatever gets more views, is the one getting the most attention. Woman world cup is not something that gets a lot of attention unfortunately, it is not as fun to watch it as men one neither. So that means netball may get more than the women world cup. However, there are only a few things in the world that can pass men world cup in football, like Cricket maybe pass it, NFL maybe pass it, but that's about it and we are not usually going to see it change.

So men world cup finals will always be one of the most watched things, top 5 easily, whereas women one is not even in the top 10 or so. This is why it should be important to know what is viewership and how you could do differently in that kind of regard.
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Yeah, fair enough, but what I'm saying is that in South America and Europe you have fans talking about footaball 365 days a year, every year.

It's like religion. Everyone loves it and lives it.

Whereas in America is just popular when there's something big going on.

Well.. the last line summarizes it. It's a good thing, right? In Europe and Latin America, too much importance is being given to one sport and everything else suffers as a result. But in the United States, no one sport is having a monopoly and there is enough attention being given to most of the Olympic disciplines. One disadvantage with the United States is that despite being the no.1 economy in the world, they don't have a good football league. The Major League Soccer is nowhere in comparison to European leagues such as Serie A or EPL.
The United States is the most financially powerful country, so their country does not have any major leagues like the English Premier League, La Liga or Serie A, which is why they have not made much progress in football so far. USA is lagging behind in all sports not only football but cricket volleyball or any other sport except football. The better the economic condition of the United States, the better they can surely produce a league of good quality. If the US invests money in different sports, they will surely succeed and until they give too much importance to one sport, they will never do well in all of them. The United States is very focused on the Olympics, which is why they achieve significant success in the Olympics every year. The US should give equal importance to the Olympics as well as other sports.
Right on the money when it comes to the American sports environment! Surprisingly, the US. has made progress in some games but has "overlooked" football (also called soccer). The 2026 World Cup, which will be held in the US., Canada, and Mexico, could be a turning point for soccer in the US. The top objectives should be a profitable league system and programs to help kids grow up. But lets not forget that basketball, baseball, and American football are also very good in the US. Diversifying spending in sports would be good for the country, and not just in soccer. It would also be good for cricket and volleyball
In case of many countries who have bad economic condition they remove themselves from participating in different sports despite having talent but America has money manpower and talent so why not spend time behind sports. Like all kinds of sports are catered in India, if all kinds of sports are catered in America then America will be the best country in the world in terms of sports because America has all kinds of people and if sports are given more importance then young generation will be more focused on sports.

With most of the matches in the 2026 World Cup being played in America, America will definitely plan their football differently and hopefully they will take the steps they need to take to improve their football.

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September 05, 2023, 04:16:44 PM
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Winger Anthony has been dropped from Brazil's World Cup qualifying team due to allegations of torture by his girlfriend. On Monday (September 4), the Brazilian media UOL published a news report based on the complaint of Anthony's ex-girlfriend. It was there that the Seleção striker was charged. The police in Sao Paulo and Greater Manchester then took it into account and started an investigation.  However, the 23-year-old winger has denied the allegations. Anthony's comments, I want to say calmly, the allegations are false. The evidence has already been prepared and some more evidence is being produced, which will show that I am innocent. I believe that the ongoing police investigation will bring to light the fact that I am innocent. The allegations that surfaced on Monday need to be investigated. That is why the Manchester United star has been dropped from the national team. Arsenal striker Gabriel Jesus has been called up instead for the 2026 World Cup qualifiers against Bolivia and Peru.

There have been a high rate of allegation of rape, molestation, and violence against some young player recently. From Mendy to Greenwood and now Anthony. Some people claim that some of these accusations are set up to exploit these players financially or frustrate their careers. But we have to leave the police and other law enforcement agencies to investigate the matter and come up with their finding. But I am not comfortable with suspending a player before an investigation. The player should be allowed to play games until they are found guilty.

Honestly whatever gets more views, is the one getting the most attention. Woman world cup is not something that gets a lot of attention unfortunately, it is not as fun to watch it as men one neither. So that means netball may get more than the women world cup. However, there are only a few things in the world that can pass men world cup in football, like Cricket maybe pass it, NFL maybe pass it, but that's about it and we are not usually going to see it change.

So men world cup finals will always be one of the most watched things, top 5 easily, whereas women one is not even in the top 10 or so. This is why it should be important to know what is viewership and how you could do differently in that kind of regard.

The attention a sport gets will depend on how popular the game is in the country. Cricket and Netball are unknown in my country, soccer is the most popular and acceptable sport. The female world cup in Australia got all the attention of citizens that there was always celebration on the streets when the girls win games. It might not get the same support as the male world but it dwarfed support for basketball which is another popular sport. I don't know about others, but I find the Female World Cup very entertaining

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September 05, 2023, 04:18:49 PM
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Having several hosts can be beneficial for so many reasons as well and I think it is rather a decision that emphasizes inclusion than exclusion. Having the support of a nation like the USA to host the World Cup is good for Mexico as I am sure there will also be a lot of cooperation on the security concepts as well, which is something that can't be neglected at all these days (sadly).
I can remember when the three joint hosts: USA, Canada, and Mexico for the 2026 world cup was announced. It is the first time we are going to have this coupled with the tournament format is changing from 32 to 48 countries, with 12 groups of four teams. The other rule being the top two teams from each group and the eight best third-place finishers will advance to the Knockout stage and then with the total number of games will increase to 104 over 39 days. In my own opinion, the multiple hosts it good but comes with its own set of unique challenges. I see no harm in it though, we would learn from this one and then the world would know if it was a good idea or if it is something that should be discontinued after the tournament ends.

1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup
2. frontofficesports.com/fifa-expands-2026-world-cup-104-game-format/

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September 05, 2023, 07:06:55 PM
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Having several hosts can be beneficial for so many reasons as well and I think it is rather a decision that emphasizes inclusion than exclusion. Having the support of a nation like the USA to host the World Cup is good for Mexico as I am sure there will also be a lot of cooperation on the security concepts as well, which is something that can't be neglected at all these days (sadly).
I can remember when the three joint hosts: USA, Canada, and Mexico for the 2026 world cup was announced. It is the first time we are going to have this coupled with the tournament format is changing from 32 to 48 countries, with 12 groups of four teams. The other rule being the top two teams from each group and the eight best third-place finishers will advance to the Knockout stage and then with the total number of games will increase to 104 over 39 days. In my own opinion, the multiple hosts it good but comes with its own set of unique challenges. I see no harm in it though, we would learn from this one and then the world would know if it was a good idea or if it is something that should be discontinued after the tournament ends.

1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup
2. frontofficesports.com/fifa-expands-2026-world-cup-104-game-format/

Yes and I know that there are some arguments for enlarging the World Cup and some are against it, but for the sake of equality between nations, enlarging it was a necessity.

The biggest fear so far is that the overall quality of the games might be significantly diluted when there are more starting spots, which also means that more of the weaker teams will get a chance to participate. But I think for the sake of fairness smaller or weaker nations in this sport should also get a fair chance to take part and to grow through those competitions.

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September 05, 2023, 09:27:55 PM
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Yes and I know that there are some arguments for enlarging the World Cup and some are against it, but for the sake of equality between nations, enlarging it was a necessity.

The biggest fear so far is that the overall quality of the games might be significantly diluted when there are more starting spots, which also means that more of the weaker teams will get a chance to participate. But I think for the sake of fairness smaller or weaker nations in this sport should also get a fair chance to take part and to grow through those competitions.
I really agree with what you say, the more countries that participate, the more benefits there will automatically be. I also think that by providing opportunities for small and weak countries in the context of football, it will not reduce their competitive tension. Apart from that, the World Cup will be the best forum to accommodate all forms of aspirations in football.

We can see that there are not many players from Asian countries who played in the top five European leagues in the past. After the World Cup performances in the Asian region to be precise in Korea and Japan, now many players from these two countries are playing for elite European clubs.

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September 05, 2023, 11:01:11 PM
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Yes and I know that there are some arguments for enlarging the World Cup and some are against it, but for the sake of equality between nations, enlarging it was a necessity.

The biggest fear so far is that the overall quality of the games might be significantly diluted when there are more starting spots, which also means that more of the weaker teams will get a chance to participate. But I think for the sake of fairness smaller or weaker nations in this sport should also get a fair chance to take part and to grow through those competitions.
I really agree with what you say, the more countries that participate, the more benefits there will automatically be. I also think that by providing opportunities for small and weak countries in the context of football, it will not reduce their competitive tension. Apart from that, the World Cup will be the best forum to accommodate all forms of aspirations in football.

We can see that there are not many players from Asian countries who played in the top five European leagues in the past. After the World Cup performances in the Asian region to be precise in Korea and Japan, now many players from these two countries are playing for elite European clubs.

It depends on how you think, Many people don't see the World Cup as a tournament for the teams to show their performance and they think the important thing in the world is to get some of the teams from all over the world in one place and this way we can help people to have better relation even with other countries and this can have more priority than seeing better performance in this tournament.
But I think there are many other ways to make people have better relations with eachothers, other than football

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