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June 30, 2023, 09:03:08 PM
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For now they attract the attention but if they want people to stick around they will need to bring in new players continuously or otherwise the positive effect will decrease. but the question is whether this PR campaign is done because of their World Cup application 2030 or whether their plan is to really build the best league in the world with the money they have and pull away the public audiences from other continents in the world. But that would need tremendous resources over a long period of time and for now it is not clear if all their activities serve a plan that goes beyond the World Cup.

The people who run it all obviously don't count the money, so they don't spare huge sums of money, I don't think it's a problem for them. As for the World Cup bid in 2030 I think it is unrelated, look at Qatar, did they do that? No, but the tournament turned out amazing. They used a different strategy, doing everything for tourists, didn't develop their league, it resulted in them spending several times more money to develop the whole thing, but made very little money from it. Let's see where Saudi Arabia's strategy leads. At this point there is essentially nothing to compare it with

It is not about making money out of hosting a tournament. It is about gaining influence in the social and political world, and through that also gain influence in the economic world. They don't care whether their hotels are booked. They care about their reputation. You can't compare Qatar with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is 200 times as big as Qatar and from that point of view it does at least make sense to have some infrastructure investment as not everything will have to be removed because it isn't needed. In Qatar almost nothing of what they have built was needed afterwards. Saudi Arabia probably has serious long term plans to build a league and to further domesticate the sport in their country. Qatar was a one time event. I don't know whether the tournament in Qatar actually was amazing. What I know is that people felt less comfortable moving freely in public because even if it seemed as if they weren't threatened, there is still this awkward feeling as a guest that you could do something wrong you don't even know about and end up in jail. I am not talking about the obvious things like taking drugs, that is the same in the USA or Mexico or Canada. But in general, it is different.

Whatever the plan is but I think the SPL plans long term and will keep tuning up their league with players from Europe.

They continue to fill their league with players from Europe who are almost retired or close to it, that much is obvious. They are trying to attract attention to the league, to lure in as many players as possible, but they only succeed in luring in the old ones who are going after the money. I will never tire of repeating that this is a stupid strategy, because young and promising players will never choose this league for the money, because it's much more comfortable and promising to play in Europe in the first place. The Saudi league is just a bag of money

There were the rumors that they are now going after younger superstars as well. I can't remember who gave the interview but it was about Bernardo Silva and that it is possible that he will leave Manchester City and go to Saudi Arabia and he is 28 years old now. That would already mean a paradigm shift because so far the complaints are limited as it is mostly those old players who are going to retire soon or are prone to physical issues from time to time, but a superstar like Silva would send a strong signal to many other players as well from the perspective of the Saudi Professional League. I think there are many potential transfers in the making and it is not only about the old players.

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June 30, 2023, 09:43:06 PM
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What its the medical issue with Ziyec? Its his second failure in a medical procedure, the last one was in PSG transfer.

Its gonna see funny to see so much good names in this league, i hope some other leagues having also good players so we can see some good asia champions cup.

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June 30, 2023, 10:25:40 PM
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For now they attract the attention but if they want people to stick around they will need to bring in new players continuously or otherwise the positive effect will decrease. but the question is whether this PR campaign is done because of their World Cup application 2030 or whether their plan is to really build the best league in the world with the money they have and pull away the public audiences from other continents in the world. But that would need tremendous resources over a long period of time and for now it is not clear if all their activities serve a plan that goes beyond the World Cup.

The people who run it all obviously don't count the money, so they don't spare huge sums of money, I don't think it's a problem for them. As for the World Cup bid in 2030 I think it is unrelated, look at Qatar, did they do that? No, but the tournament turned out amazing. They used a different strategy, doing everything for tourists, didn't develop their league, it resulted in them spending several times more money to develop the whole thing, but made very little money from it. Let's see where Saudi Arabia's strategy leads. At this point there is essentially nothing to compare it with

It is not about making money out of hosting a tournament. It is about gaining influence in the social and political world, and through that also gain influence in the economic world. They don't care whether their hotels are booked. They care about their reputation. You can't compare Qatar with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is 200 times as big as Qatar and from that point of view it does at least make sense to have some infrastructure investment as not everything will have to be removed because it isn't needed. In Qatar almost nothing of what they have built was needed afterwards. Saudi Arabia probably has serious long term plans to build a league and to further domesticate the sport in their country. Qatar was a one time event. I don't know whether the tournament in Qatar actually was amazing. What I know is that people felt less comfortable moving freely in public because even if it seemed as if they weren't threatened, there is still this awkward feeling as a guest that you could do something wrong you don't even know about and end up in jail. I am not talking about the obvious things like taking drugs, that is the same in the USA or Mexico or Canada. But in general, it is different.

Whatever the plan is but I think the SPL plans long term and will keep tuning up their league with players from Europe.

They continue to fill their league with players from Europe who are almost retired or close to it, that much is obvious. They are trying to attract attention to the league, to lure in as many players as possible, but they only succeed in luring in the old ones who are going after the money. I will never tire of repeating that this is a stupid strategy, because young and promising players will never choose this league for the money, because it's much more comfortable and promising to play in Europe in the first place. The Saudi league is just a bag of money

There were the rumors that they are now going after younger superstars as well. I can't remember who gave the interview but it was about Bernardo Silva and that it is possible that he will leave Manchester City and go to Saudi Arabia and he is 28 years old now. That would already mean a paradigm shift because so far the complaints are limited as it is mostly those old players who are going to retire soon or are prone to physical issues from time to time, but a superstar like Silva would send a strong signal to many other players as well from the perspective of the Saudi Professional League. I think there are many potential transfers in the making and it is not only about the old players.
From the start of this Saudi Arabian League signing spree of European veterans players , I know a day would come when they'll not just be luring the players that are 30+ but also very young players who still got a lot to achieve in their career.
The Saudi Arabian League wants to be enjoy the same limelight that European leagues are enjoying from all over the world and would definitely do anything within their reach to achieve that aim

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July 01, 2023, 03:54:21 AM
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What its the medical issue with Ziyec? Its his second failure in a medical procedure, the last one was in PSG transfer.

Its gonna see funny to see so much good names in this league, i hope some other leagues having also good players so we can see some good asia champions cup.

The main reason is the problem of the knee, based on medical records this is not the first time he has experienced it since the 2020/2021 season, injury problems continue to come almost every season until now. Until now there is no clarity related to the transfer to Al Nassr or there is a possibility of being canceled.

Another hot news is Marcelo Brozovic, after being reportedly the two parties agreed with a salary of 25 million per season or 100 million for 3 seasons and Inter will get 23 million but lately Al Nassr changed the agreement with only willing to pay 13m + 2m bonuses, Inter rejected this new agreement and stop the transfer process. Until now there has been no latest news about Brozovic Transfer.


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July 01, 2023, 04:11:33 AM
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Al-nassr is making a lot of signings, today I saw a rumor that Al-nassr intends to hire the coach Luis castro who is currently the coach of a good team in the brazil league I speak of botafogo, I think it would be a good option, but if also If Al-nassr were looking to hire a Portuguese coach who was working with one of the top 5 teams in the Portuguese league, there is no doubt that Al-nassr would be making an excellent choice. I also saw that Al-nassr signed Marcelo Brozović who are finishing the last details

days ago Al-nassr also signed Hakim Ziyech's, this means that the team is becoming very strong, but I keep asking myself what happens to that rule that says you shouldn't play many foreign players in the field, this means that if you don't review this rule to accommodate these many foreign players on the field, so the Saudi league will not evolve, it is not enough to keep hiring many foreign players when the rules are still rules that do not contribute to the evolution of the Saudi league, I hope that the Saudi league leaders look into this all
Al-Nassr have already brought in several quality players for huge sums of money. They are a successful team in signing players. A good coach is definitely needed to guide good quality players. Maybe they have shortlisted experienced coaching staff from different countries to hire a quality coach. However, the coach they are eyeing in Brazil is an experienced coach. But since Al-Nassr club has players like Ronaldo, I think they need a good European quality coach.  Because in order to guide Ronaldo, the person must know more than Ronaldo, in that case Al-Nassr may be a good choice for the coach of the big teams in Europe.

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July 01, 2023, 07:32:45 AM
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It seems Hakim Ziyech is not going to join Al Nasr for the next season because he couldn't pass the tests and or a player like Hakim Ziyech who was playing in a top team like Chelsea I was not expecting to see him fail in these tests and it seems the deal is canceled because of the medical tests he failed.




https://twitter.com/ariyadhiah_br/status/1674533679085899779?s=20
I am quite behind with this news and I thought that yesterday Hakim Ziyech would officially become an Al-Nassr player along with Ronaldo and Brozovic. It looks like Hakim Ziyech's fate to leave Chelsea has failed again and this is the second time that Hakim Ziyech has failed. We know that last winter Hakim Ziyech was close to an agreement with PSG, but failed because there was a problem with the documents so he had to stay at Chelsea and now when he has the opportunity to leave Chelsea while making a lot of money with Al-Nassr it is happening again because he failed the medical test. I think Hakim Ziyech has to be stronger in dealing with this problem and he has to accept the fact that he will be a bench warmer for Chelsea next season.

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They continue to fill their league with players from Europe who are almost retired or close to it, that much is obvious. They are trying to attract attention to the league, to lure in as many players as possible, but they only succeed in luring in the old ones who are going after the money. I will never tire of repeating that this is a stupid strategy, because young and promising players will never choose this league for the money, because it's much more comfortable and promising to play in Europe in the first place. The Saudi league is just a bag of money
It's all too easy to label the Saudi league as the final hurrah for aging pros seeking one last payday. But let's reconsider! With the potential switch of Bernardo Silva, a key player in his golden years, to the Saudi Arabian League, we might need to reassess. Could the league be changing its tack to lure in younger, elite-level players? While the future is notoriously tricky to foretell, it's vital to stay alert to possible strategy overhauls that could reformat the league.

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 #2448

It's all too easy to label the Saudi league as the final hurrah for aging pros seeking one last payday. But let's reconsider! With the potential switch of Bernardo Silva, a key player in his golden years, to the Saudi Arabian League, we might need to reassess. Could the league be changing its tack to lure in younger, elite-level players? While the future is notoriously tricky to foretell, it's vital to stay alert to possible strategy overhauls that could reformat the league.

I doubt if luring experienced players with money to the Saudi League will bring the needed development to the Saudi League. My assumption is based on two countries that have adopted the same strategy in time last. The US Major League Soccer and the Chinese Super League attracted so many players to give their league the needed attraction but this pattern failed. Most of these experienced players moved to these leagues, made money, and retired. While younger players spent a few years and returned to Europe. Except the Saudi league management has another strategy to retain and attract more players, the league might also suffer the same end as others that invested heavily. The cultural and religious society of Saudi Arabia will also be a barrier. It is not a free society and many young players will not find it convenient. I have also observed that Muslim players are more attracted to the league because the society suits their way of life.

Al-Nassr have already brought in several quality players for huge sums of money. They are a successful team in signing players. A good coach is definitely needed to guide good quality players. Maybe they have shortlisted experienced coaching staff from different countries to hire a quality coach. However, the coach they are eyeing in Brazil is an experienced coach. But since Al-Nassr club has players like Ronaldo, I think they need a good European quality coach.  Because in order to guide Ronaldo, the person must know more than Ronaldo, in that case Al-Nassr may be a good choice for the coach of the big teams in Europe.

The club needs to consult Ronaldo before getting a new coach. Ronaldo has always had issues with coaches and this happened in Manchester United and Al-Nassr. He was instrumental in the sack of Rudi Garcia. The Portuguese was always criticizing the coach and expressed his disdain for his coaching style. So he should be allowed to make inputs in the process of coach selection so that he would not complain about the coach. Signing Ronaldo is a lot of responsibility and I hope he has a good relationship with the new signings.

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July 01, 2023, 08:23:52 AM
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I doubt if luring experienced players with money to the Saudi League will bring the needed development to the Saudi League. My assumption is based on two countries that have adopted the same strategy in time last. The US Major League Soccer and the Chinese Super League attracted so many players to give their league the needed attraction but this pattern failed. Most of these experienced players moved to these leagues, made money, and retired. While younger players spent a few years and returned to Europe. Except the Saudi league management has another strategy to retain and attract more players, the league might also suffer the same end as others that invested heavily. The cultural and religious society of Saudi Arabia will also be a barrier. It is not a free society and many young players will not find it convenient. I have also observed that Muslim players are more attracted to the league because the society suits their way of life.

Yeah this is another undeniable fact, but if the Saudi League did the same all season maybe the situation would be different to what happened in the LMS and the Chinese League. Saudi Professional League brings in more star players unlike other leagues that only bring in a few, imagine if the saudi teams did it for the next 3-4 seasons I'm sure the impact will be bigger and wider. As we know this is the 2nd season and the progress is very fast even 4 teams are actively looking for star players.

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July 01, 2023, 09:35:35 AM
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Yeah this is another undeniable fact, but if the Saudi League did the same all season maybe the situation would be different to what happened in the LMS and the Chinese League. Saudi Professional League brings in more star players unlike other leagues that only bring in a few, imagine if the saudi teams did it for the next 3-4 seasons I'm sure the impact will be bigger and wider. As we know this is the 2nd season and the progress is very fast even 4 teams are actively looking for star players.

SPL will have so many stars unlike MLS or chinese league. This league was also offering very huge fees for its player. It can be said that if SPL is league that was focusing on rebuilding the popularity with its money.
Money is the main weapon from SPL clubs to recruit so many players. I remember when EPL player like oscar was going to the chinesea league due to the big salary but this time SPL has become a new alternative for player wanna get huge salary.

Jota will become a new player that will be bought by ittihad. I think that if saudi clubs are still rushing to get as many players as possible till the end of transfer seasons.
I saw that so many clubs were sending delegations to the various country to make deals with the players that's gonna be bought by the club.

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July 01, 2023, 10:05:02 AM
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There are two bad news come for saudi pro league. All of this news is coming from al hilal. Lukaku has been officially rejecting 45 millions pounds offer from al hilal while at the same time jose mourinho was rejecting al hilal too.
These are very bad for al hilal. Al hilal faces so many difficulties in recruiting the new players after messi has been rejecting the club's offer. Lukaku was doing a stupid thing by rejecting it.

The same offer will not come again for twice. He may also be a useless player in intermilan next season. His performance was always up and down.
Chelsea shall sell him asap to the intermilan.

There is also another option if chelsea may keep him for next season. Rejecting al hilal's offer was very bad. Al Hilal needs to put more efforts in targeting new player from european league.

This might look like a sad news but I don’t feel it is. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and what they want to decide with their careers. If Romelu Lukaku wants to remain in Inter Milan for another season as a permanent player, it doesn’t take much for that to be approved by Chelsea if Inter Milan meets their demands.

Al Ahli is a very lucrative club at the Saudi league and they’ve enough resources to be able to buy any player or coach they deserve at the consent of them. If Romelu Lukaku and Jose Mourinho have rejected their offer, there are other big players that I’m sure will want to join them without thinking twice if this same offer comes for them. Let them scout for those players and and give them sweet offer as soon as possible.

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I am quite behind with this news and I thought that yesterday Hakim Ziyech would officially become an Al-Nassr player along with Ronaldo and Brozovic. It looks like Hakim Ziyech's fate to leave Chelsea has failed again and this is the second time that Hakim Ziyech has failed. We know that last winter Hakim Ziyech was close to an agreement with PSG, but failed because there was a problem with the documents so he had to stay at Chelsea and now when he has the opportunity to leave Chelsea while making a lot of money with Al-Nassr it is happening again because he failed the medical test. I think Hakim Ziyech has to be stronger in dealing with this problem and he has to accept the fact that he will be a bench warmer for Chelsea next season.

If he ready failed in the medical test I didn't think if Al Nasr is going still buy this player from Chelsea, wondering how Hakim Ziyech is going to deal with it because he knows can't be accepted in Chelsea because they wanted to sell him and in the other hand because of failing the test, I don't think if he gets any other offers soon.

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July 01, 2023, 11:00:00 AM
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I am quite behind with this news and I thought that yesterday Hakim Ziyech would officially become an Al-Nassr player along with Ronaldo and Brozovic. It looks like Hakim Ziyech's fate to leave Chelsea has failed again and this is the second time that Hakim Ziyech has failed. We know that last winter Hakim Ziyech was close to an agreement with PSG, but failed because there was a problem with the documents so he had to stay at Chelsea and now when he has the opportunity to leave Chelsea while making a lot of money with Al-Nassr it is happening again because he failed the medical test. I think Hakim Ziyech has to be stronger in dealing with this problem and he has to accept the fact that he will be a bench warmer for Chelsea next season.

If he ready failed in the medical test I didn't think if Al Nasr is going still buy this player from Chelsea, wondering how Hakim Ziyech is going to deal with it because he knows can't be accepted in Chelsea because they wanted to sell him and in the other hand because of failing the test, I don't think if he gets any other offers soon.

This is a very bad situation for Hakim Ziyech, he might end up being without a club if the medical is not redo in short period of time. staying in Chelsea id not possible, pochettino doesn't want him to stay, that'swhy they place him for market. i just hope the medical work out again for him to successfully move to Saudi Arabia pro league.
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July 01, 2023, 12:57:52 PM
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Lukaku has been officially rejecting 45 millions pounds offer from al hilal
Players like romelu Lukaku are the kind of players that like to hang on to their glory days and believe that they would bounce back to form even though they are performing very poorly, but it does not always happen that way. Romelu Lukaku was a good player before but these days his performance in games has really dropped. He sweats more than he performs, and I have not just been able to stop blaming him for the champions league final clear header that he missed. He would have decided to go for the money and retire. As a striker, he has lost his value.

jose mourinho was rejecting al hilal too.
Jose Mourinho is on a mission with Roma, he will not leave yet.

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July 01, 2023, 01:25:24 PM
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I am quite behind with this news and I thought that yesterday Hakim Ziyech would officially become an Al-Nassr player along with Ronaldo and Brozovic. It looks like Hakim Ziyech's fate to leave Chelsea has failed again and this is the second time that Hakim Ziyech has failed. We know that last winter Hakim Ziyech was close to an agreement with PSG, but failed because there was a problem with the documents so he had to stay at Chelsea and now when he has the opportunity to leave Chelsea while making a lot of money with Al-Nassr it is happening again because he failed the medical test. I think Hakim Ziyech has to be stronger in dealing with this problem and he has to accept the fact that he will be a bench warmer for Chelsea next season.

If he ready failed in the medical test I didn't think if Al Nasr is going still buy this player from Chelsea, wondering how Hakim Ziyech is going to deal with it because he knows can't be accepted in Chelsea because they wanted to sell him and in the other hand because of failing the test, I don't think if he gets any other offers soon.

With Hakim Ziyech's current condition, it is very clear that no team would dare to sign him and if I'm not mistaken, failing the medical test came from his knee problem which prevented him from joining Al-Nassr. Now Hakim Ziyech must be willing to swallow the bitterness of what happened and even if he stays at Chelsea, it is certain that he will also not get regular playing minutes because of this problem.

Pochettino, who is Chelsea's new coach, will certainly be more selective in choosing players who will be included in his squad list and for Ziyech it seems that Chelsea will take action such as unilateral contract termination if no team wants to sign him next season.

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July 01, 2023, 02:11:53 PM
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From the start of this Saudi Arabian League signing spree of European veterans players , I know a day would come when they'll not just be luring the players that are 30+ but also very young players who still got a lot to achieve in their career.
The Saudi Arabian League wants to be enjoy the same limelight that European leagues are enjoying from all over the world and would definitely do anything within their reach to achieve that aim

But I can't imagine that that will ever happen unless the Saudi Arabian clubs or the owners are really pulling the trigger and keep up that investment for a decade and even raise it further. It is not enough to have good players for three or four years and only the older ones. Then they would have to keep spending those levels for a long time and sign players of all age groups to also cover all interest groups that could follow the league on TV and the Internet. Not everyone likes to watch players who are about to retire anyway. But signing younger players will be even more costly in the long run.

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With Hakim Ziyech's current condition, it is very clear that no team would dare to sign him and if I'm not mistaken, failing the medical test came from his knee problem which prevented him from joining Al-Nassr. Now Hakim Ziyech must be willing to swallow the bitterness of what happened and even if he stays at Chelsea, it is certain that he will also not get regular playing minutes because of this problem.

Pochettino, who is Chelsea's new coach, will certainly be more selective in choosing players who will be included in his squad list and for Ziyech it seems that Chelsea will take action such as unilateral contract termination if no team wants to sign him next season.

It is unfortunate to hear this news even though Al Nassr and supporters are waiting for him  but there is no other choice the agreement must be canceled
Al Nassr did not silent they began to look for other alternatives the latest news is Bernardo Silva associated with Al Nassr after failing to bring in Ziyech
But Al Nassr is not the only team that is after him it turns out that PSG is also interested in recruiting him.

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It is unfortunate to hear this news even though Al Nassr and supporters are waiting for him  but there is no other choice the agreement must be canceled
Al Nassr did not silent they began to look for other alternatives the latest news is Bernardo Silva associated with Al Nassr after failing to bring in Ziyech
But Al Nassr is not the only team that is after him it turns out that PSG is also interested in recruiting him.
Actually the negotiations between Al Nassr and Chelsea have reached an agreement, Al Nassr canceled the transfer of Hakim Ziyech for medical reasons. Ziyech problem was just revealed after he underwent medical tests before signing a contract with Al Nassr, it was discovered that Ziyech had problems with his knee which made Al Nassr discourage him from recruiting the Morocco player.
Al Nassr target is on Brozovic after failing to reach an agreement with Ziyech, according to reports by Fabrizio Romano on his Twitter account, Brozovic has reached an orally agreement with Al Nassr, the agreement between Brozovic and Al Nassr is valid until June 2026.

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July 01, 2023, 04:46:02 PM
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From the start of this Saudi Arabian League signing spree of European veterans players , I know a day would come when they'll not just be luring the players that are 30+ but also very young players who still got a lot to achieve in their career.
The Saudi Arabian League wants to be enjoy the same limelight that European leagues are enjoying from all over the world and would definitely do anything within their reach to achieve that aim

But I can't imagine that that will ever happen unless the Saudi Arabian clubs or the owners are really pulling the trigger and keep up that investment for a decade and even raise it further. It is not enough to have good players for three or four years and only the older ones. Then they would have to keep spending those levels for a long time and sign players of all age groups to also cover all interest groups that could follow the league on TV and the Internet. Not everyone likes to watch players who are about to retire anyway. But signing younger players will be even more costly in the long run.

It's not like that, because signing younger players automatically these young players are not yet famous players. But, when they recruit players who are old or at least +29 then of course, these players are already well-known in Europe. Therefore, if they signed younger players, it would be the same as signing players who weren't well-known, and thus not making much of a profit for their event. So yes, the tradition of recruiting well-known players who are of course old will continue, and they will not take the risk of signing high-paid young players, especially when they are not well known.

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July 01, 2023, 04:48:36 PM
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Another hot news is Marcelo Brozovic, after being reportedly the two parties agreed with a salary of 25 million per season or 100 million for 3 seasons and Inter will get 23 million but lately Al Nassr changed the agreement with only willing to pay 13m + 2m bonuses, Inter rejected this new agreement and stop the transfer process. Until now there has been no latest news about Brozovic Transfer.
Unbelievable with Al Nassr failed for reaching agreement transfer fees to sign Marcelo Brozovic because Inter Milan not agree with 13 million euro due they want 23 million euro. Looks crazy with Al Nassr how possibility for transfer fees on 13 million euro because Marcelo Brozovic has best quality as midfielder. Inter Milan as 23 million euro and I don't think most expensive transfer fees depend on experienced and performance from Marcelo Brozovic.

Are there any indications from Cristiano Ronaldo that Marcelo Brozovic failed to join An Nassr next season? looks interested because Al Nassr can pay more expensive salary for their player but difficult with 23 million transfer fees for signing Marcelo Brozovic.

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