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[slackovic]

BetBoom is already in the final and they will play the winner from PSG and GG. That screenshot you posted looks confusing I agree, this one is much better to explain it.


Usual format of DOTA competitions is that top teams after group stage go to upper bracket and teams below them go to lower bracket, while bottom teams go home. Then all the teams from upper bracket when they lose fall to lower bracket. While lower bracket teams when they lose go home. This means that top teams from group stages are allowed second chance and can lose one match in knockout stages. Seems strange but it is actually really good and more fair then what we have in football since one bad day will never get you out of competition.

After seeing this image, I definitely hate DOTA questions. I haven't seen this kind of schedule in any other sport where we have two brackets (ie. tennis). It doesn't make sense. And this definitely will make this week between me and mitchr4 a draw because I f*cked up my answer to the last question. At least I won't lose two weeks in a row

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[mitchr4]

After seeing this image, I definitely hate DOTA questions. I haven't seen this kind of schedule in any other sport where we have two brackets (ie. tennis). It doesn't make sense. And this definitely will make this week between me and mitchr4 a draw because I f*cked up my answer to the last question. At least I won't lose two weeks in a row

Relax dude, I still have a chance to get 2 points in this DOTA question. This can happen if PSG wins at lower bracket. And then in the final win over BetBoom.

[hakan2217]

Actually this kinda Bracket is makes so much more sense than classic one. If favorite teams ends up with same tree they can't play final together in classic one (like Real Madrid, City) But this way teams like Inter (No disrespectfull they played ok tbh but still they were no close to be any favorite team) would not get the final that easy. This way 'luck' factor minimize a little bit imo. Not that weird I see their point

[slackovic]

Relax dude, I still have a chance to get 2 points in this DOTA question. This can happen if PSG wins at lower bracket. And then in the final win over BetBoom.

Damn, you are not only right. It could very likely be the outcome because PSG is a favorite in the lower bracket final. Fingers crossed that it won't happen

Actually this kinda Bracket is makes so much more sense than classic one. If favorite teams ends up with same tree they can't play final together in classic one (like Real Madrid, City) But this way teams like Inter (No disrespectfull they played ok tbh but still they were no close to be any favorite team) would not get the final that easy. This way 'luck' factor minimize a little bit imo. Not that weird I see their point

When you put it like that, it makes sense. But it's uncommon in sport so it's weird seeing it.

[buwaytress]

Great discussions on the bracket style of games versus European football style of knockout tournaments and I've done a lot of reading and discussions on both too, so I can agree with the arguments for both, but the idea is to get a mix of both.

Brackets and playoffs styles reduce the randomness and encourage stability. Hence in North American sports the strongest teams with the best talents consistently win the majority of non-league tournaments. But this reduces watchability for those outside the majority. Instead of being fair, I call this system objective. Fairness means putting every team on the same level, capping expenditure to revenue rather than an arbitrary sum, and giving everyone same facilities, etc.

Objective just means giving the best talents and performance the best chances for recognition.

Single KO killer bow styles increases randomness, and therefore, overall watchability.

I feel like leagues like Championship in England (and BSFL haha) mixes this very well with direct promotion, plus playoff. It has a very very long season, not too many playoffs. So 80% of the teams have something to play for all the way to the near end. So yes, if we know the winner of the league early, we still want to watch it because they are playoffs.

Then playoffs themselves are a spectacle at the end of season.

Personally I like Champs League style, I love that City can fall at any time despite being the best team in the world. Or Real. Or whomever. I can imagine the horror of upper/lower bracket format in Champions League if teams decide they can risk experimenting or even hurting the opponent in the first game (they might feel, it's okay to lose, they can beat the winner of the lower bracket easily), to ensure they have an easier final.

[Trofo]

Kanapka has been integrated to Div 3A in place of wszocki. This was done in same way Bonta was included in Div 3B earlier.

Here is full schedule with all games updated to reflect these changes.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438071.msg62398650#msg62398650

This change also affects bullrun2020bro and entebah. You guys lost your 3:0 wins against wszocki from round 1 & 2 and will play those games in rounds 12 & 13 against Kanapka. Lost is wrong word here since you actually lost nothing, is just like those games never happened. If we did not enlist Kanapka, every member of your league would have gotten those 3:0 wins sooner or later as well.

[CLS63]

I'm very happy for making a quite lucky start to this season. If I'm not wrong I made it to 3 wins in 3 matches because of being more successful than vd309 on the DOTA question. The next round is going to be a very challenging one against LTU_btc who I got a draw against last season. I hope I can maintain my winning streak by winning it. I'm feeling myself like low-budget teams which start the league well.

[Rikafip]

@cryptfrka @Trofo (or anyone else for that matter)

Regarding that -1 penatly for being late, you gonna remove 1 point from my total amount of points from first 2 rounds, or you are referring to points from this round?


@DireWolfM14 Its gonna be very close, despite me being late and many answers not counting. I guess you weren't joking when you said that you are not counting any unhatched chickens.  

[Trofo]

@cryptfrka @Trofo (or anyone else for that matter)

Regarding that -1 penatly for being late, you gonna remove 1 point from my total amount of points from first 2 rounds, or you are referring to points from this round?

Your total penalty is coming in two ways:
- 1 point deducted from total points in the league. I will deduct it in Round 3 but that is actually not that important since it doesn't show anyway in data we present to you except in total points column in league tables and penalty table. This part is same every round.
- 0 points in questions that started for round 3 by the time you posted. This week situation has been very negative for you since we had a lot of questions that were in play and you have 0 points on all off them. Can't check at the moment but I believe there were 4 or 5 of them. Both tennis questions, DOTA and some football from Tuesday. They are already colored red in table for you so if you are still able to claim win then you were sort of lucky that you had opponent in very poor form in the week you started late. This part varies from round to round and is influenced by the time when you post and time when games are played. Usually people start with 0 on 2 or 3 questions if they are late for couple of minutes.

[Rikafip]

Your total penalty is coming in two ways:
- 1 point deducted from total points in the league. I will deduct it in Round 3 but that is actually not that important since it doesn't show anyway in data we present to you except in total points column in league tables and penalty table. This part is same every round.
- 0 points in questions that started for round 3 by the time you posted. This week situation has been very negative for you since we had a lot of questions that were in play and you have 0 points on all off them.

All clear now, thanks for explanation.

They are already colored red in table for you so if you are still able to claim win then you were sort of lucky that you had opponent in very poor form in the week you started late.

From what I can see I currently lead 2-1 thanks to poor DireWolfM14 choices. I definitely didn't expect it to be so close considering I missed on basically half the questions.

[DireWolfM14]

From what I can see I currently lead 2-1 thanks to poor DireWolfM14 choices. I definitely didn't expect it to be so close considering I missed on basically half the questions.

Lol, no I wasn't kidding.  I've been doing horribly in these competitions.  I have about a 50/50 chance when answering most of the questions about soccer, specifically EPL, but most of the other stuff is rooted around sports with which I'm unfamiliar.

But, why don't you just keep rubbing it in, huh? 

[arallmuus]

Damn, you are not only right. It could very likely be the outcome because PSG is a favorite in the lower bracket final. Fingers crossed that it won't happen

I guess its not happening. GG is the type of team that will give their best especially when the reward prize is quite huge so yeah Im pretty confident on that one that they'' get to the final ( but it wont matter for me because my #10 question isnt being counted )

Your total penalty is coming in two ways:
- 1 point deducted from total points in the league. I will deduct it in Round 3 but that is actually not that important since it doesn't show anyway in data we present to you except in total points column in league tables and penalty table. This part is same every round.
- 0 points in questions that started for round 3 by the time you posted. This week situation has been very negative for you since we had a lot of questions that were in play and you have 0 points on all off them. Can't check at the moment but I believe there were 4 or 5 of them.
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Just to sum this all off, my -1 penalty on the 3rd round wont have any effect on my 4th round isnt it?


Well Im quite relieve that Im ending this round with only small amount of score differences otherwise I would have hard time to get all that back

[casperBGD]

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Personally I like Champs League style, I love that City can fall at any time despite being the best team in the world. Or Real. Or whomever. I can imagine the horror of upper/lower bracket format in Champions League if teams decide they can risk experimenting or even hurting the opponent in the first game (they might feel, it's okay to lose, they can beat the winner of the lower bracket easily), to ensure they have an easier final.

agree, I think that bracket style is more for competition where there are several teams that are equal, not few top favorites
looking at tennis for example, with brackets one will not be able to kick-out Djokovic from any tournament, losing one can happen, but two almost impossible
City would be same example in CL, but on Euroleague in Basketball this bracket style would maybe be improvement

[ILuckyGuyI]

It is my first experience in the BSFL and it has started like a nightmare. With Round 3 results it is going to be 1 draw and 2 losses already. 

The questions were quite difficult for me in general in this round honestly. I hoped to get a draw at worst but my opponent did really good. It seems like I will need to be more patient to get my first win in the league.    I haven't watched a DOTA tournament even for once in my life. I still managed to answer the question correctly just by making an assessment taking the statistics of the teams into account. At least this made me happy for this round but I hope next round questions are more advantageous for me.

[cryptofrka]

Hey fellas, sorry for the absence during the last few days. Trofo had it covered

Ayo, may I ask how will the last question be graded for Bonta? His answer was simply "Glamin Gladiators" I guess as outright winner. Will we get a point for final if the GG actually get there, or not because he didn't explicitily predicted them as finalists and you are allowed to predict a winner that you didn't pick as finalist?
As it is now I get a guaranteed win if anything other than a jamaican win by exactly 1 goal but I can get a draw if jamaica wins by exactly 1 goal and depending how the last question will be graded for Bonta.

It was graded both as the semifinalist and the winner – it's only logical that we take this answer as the winning team, and if it's the winning team it has to reach the semifinals too.

Considering the submission was not entirely correct, we could have introduced a penalty for both Bonta and DireWolfM14 – they inserted only 1 team but did get at least part of it correctly so we decided not to in this round since we also penalized only completely wrong answers in previous rounds. The same is for famososMuertos who has Alcaraz as Halle winner and he played in Queen’s tournament.

Be more careful guys, for now we are introducing penalties only if you are totally off the mark in your answers – but these cases are borderline and will probably be penalized from next season onwards.

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The questions for Round 4 are here!

The deadline is standard, Tuesday June 27th, 17:00 GMT.

Not much happening but we didn't feel like skipping the round, there's still some excitement to be had with U-21 Euros, Copa, tennis and Formula 1.

We will rate this week's results as soon as the DOTA match finishes, it's currently 2-2 in a best out of 5 matchup.

Code:

Slissy
jeremypwr
cls63
Harkorede
casperBGD
LTU_btc
arallmuus
jayce
buwaytress
Igebotz
slackovic
vd309
mitchr4
darxiaomi
LFC_Bitcoin
slaman29
dbshck
strongkored
ralle14
notblox1
famososMuertos
ulven
Woodie
Cryptofrka
Trofo
Renato297
mv1986
leea-1334
DireWolfM14
Jinetics1111
Pulsar77
entebah
Dittoup
MAAManda
Rikafip
Coin_trader
Kanapka
Saint-loup
Danydee
hakan2217
BitcoinHunt3r
Kokee44
ILuckyGuyI
goodpunt
Ozymandias_DZ
bullrun2020bro
navidart
vivekdkhyani
Bonta
chi20
Omikifuse
imarios

[notblox1]

BetBoom is already in the final and they will play the winner from PSG and GG. That screenshot you posted looks confusing I agree, this one is much better to explain it.

This DOTA questions are stupid, and you have advantage because you watch that, sorry Trofo
I think you won this time thanks to DOTA and this could be one of my worst rounds so far.

After seeing this image, I definitely hate DOTA questions. I haven't seen this kind of schedule in any other sport where we have two brackets (ie. tennis). It doesn't make sense. And this definitely will make this week between me and mitchr4 a draw because I f*cked up my answer to the last question. At least I won't lose two weeks in a row

Dota is not a sport, except if you count time wasting as sport, but I am voting for them to stop including this not sport questions 

Hey fellas, sorry for the absence during the last few days. Trofo had it covered

No problem at all
I was busy in last few days and I didnt follow any results or this topic.
Round 4 questions are already here so I guess I should better go and prepare while I have some free time available.

[hakan2217]

Wow GG won right? If yes, I got 3/3 correct on Dota question then.  Starting to like this 'sport'  Joking aside, e sport games the opposite of actual sports isn't it, players sits on a chair playing a video game all day, what kinda sport is it honestly 

[cryptofrka]

The spreadsheet has been updated with results, it is not official yet. Please recheck your duels and let us know in case of some mistakes.
Considering that I rated DOTA and don't know the short names for the teams, it is possible that I rated some of it incorrectly. I triple-checked though

The freebet winners are:

Division 1
Harkorede - 40$ - from Round 1 vs darxiaomi
buwaytress - 40$ - from Round 2 vs Igebotz
jayce - 40$ - from Round 3

Division 2
slaman29 - 30$ - from Round 2 vs leea-1334 and notblox1
slaman29 and mv1986 will have a H2H duel in Round 4 for 30$ freebet

Division 3A
bullrun2020bro - 10$ - from Round 1 vs Coin_trader
bullrun2020bro and Saint-loup will have a H2H duel in Round 4 for 10$ freebet

Division 3B
vivekdhyani1, Omikfuse and Chi20 will have a H2H duel in Round 4 for 10$ freebet

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I hate eSports too guys - but it's considered as sports and is highly popular.
It will be in BSFL for sure in the future as well and you and I both will have to learn a bit about it (or be lucky with our answers )

[Trofo]

This DOTA questions are stupid, and you have advantage because you watch that, sorry Trofo
I think you won this time thanks to DOTA and this could be one of my worst rounds so far.

Sour looser, my favorite kind, means I got into your head   You should have won this one long before DOTA, by far my worst round and only win of the season. RNG at its best. I feel the same about all American sports. To make it worse Americans themselves classified them as entertainment so that players can use any substance they want.

You know if you have some fringe sports you are following, feel free to send us a question about it in these months where there isn't that much proper sports. We wanted to include cricket game in last round but did not know how to make the question so that it is finished before the deadline. Only two conditions it has to be bulletproof (covering all possible outcomes) and reasonably easy to grade (official page with results).

Here are the results for round three. 4 players received one point penalty for late submission. That is already included in main table and penalty table.
Those players are:
Rikafip
pulsar77
arallmuus
Danydee



Division 1

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	cls63	3	3	0	0	16	11	5	9
2	jeremypwr	3	2	1	0	14	9	5	7
3	buwaytress	3	2	1	0	17	13	4	7
4	Harkorede	3	2	0	1	16	12	4	6
5	darxiaomi	3	2	0	1	15	13	2	6
6	jayce	3	2	0	1	14	12	2	6
7	casperBGD	3	1	2	0	15	12	3	5
8	slackovic	3	1	1	1	14	12	2	4
9	Igebotz	3	1	0	2	10	15	-5	3
10	mitchr4	3	0	1	2	12	15	-3	1
11	Slissy	3	0	1	2	13	17	-4	1
12	vd309	3	0	1	2	10	14	-4	1
13	LTU_btc	3	0	1	2	12	18	-6	1
14	arallmuus	3	0	1	2	11	16	-5	0

Division 2

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	leea-1334	3	3	0	0	14	9	5	9
2	Cryptofrka	3	2	1	0	15	10	5	7
3	slaman29	3	2	1	0	15	10	5	7
4	mv1986	3	2	1	0	12	9	3	7
5	notblox1	3	1	1	1	13	12	1	4
6	Woodie	3	1	1	1	8	7	1	4
7	Trofo	3	1	1	1	15	15	0	4
8	ralle14	3	1	1	1	8	9	-1	4
9	famososMuertos	3	1	1	1	12	10	2	3
10	strongkored	3	0	2	1	12	14	-2	2
11	Renato297	3	0	1	2	9	13	-4	1
12	dbshck	3	0	1	2	8	12	-4	1
13	ulven	3	0	1	2	8	12	-4	1
14	LFC_Bitcoin	3	0	1	2	7	14	-7	0

Division 3A

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	Saint-loup	3	3	0	0	16	7	9	9
2	Rikafip	3	2	1	0	11	7	4	6
3	bullrun2020bro	2	1	1	0	10	6	4	4
4	Coin_trader	3	1	1	1	14	12	2	4
5	Dittoup	3	1	1	1	9	8	1	4
6	Kanapka	1	1	0	0	3	2	1	3
7	Pulsar77	3	1	1	1	6	7	-1	3
8	entebah	2	1	0	1	6	7	-1	3
9	BitcoinHunt3r	3	1	0	2	10	13	-3	2
10	MAAManda	3	0	2	1	8	11	-3	2
11	Danydee	3	0	0	3	4	10	-6	-1
12	DireWolfM14	3	0	1	2	5	12	-7	-1

Division 3B

•POS•	••Username••••	•PLD•	•W•	•D•	•L•	•SF•	•SA•	•SD•	•PTS•
1	hakan2217	2	2	0	0	8	4	4	6
2	chi20	3	2	0	1	13	10	3	6
3	goodpunt	3	2	0	1	12	11	1	6
4	Jinetics1111	3	1	2	0	14	13	1	5
5	Ozymandias_DZ	3	1	1	1	15	14	1	4
6	Omikifuse	3	1	1	1	14	14	0	4
7	vivekdkhyani	3	1	1	1	13	13	0	4
8	Kokee44	2	1	0	1	4	5	-1	3
9	imarios	3	1	0	2	6	9	-3	3
10	navidart	3	1	0	2	12	14	-2	2
11	ILuckyGuyI	3	0	1	2	11	14	-3	1
12	Bonta	1	0	0	1	3	4	-1	0

W - Games Won, L - Games Lost, D - Games Drawn
POS - League Position, SD - Score Difference, SF - Score For
SA - Score Against, PLD - Games Played, PTS - Points Earned




Round 3 - Results

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Division 1 mitchr4 4-4 slackovic jayce 6-3 Slissy darxiaomi 3-4 Harkorede buwaytress 5-3 arallmuus Igebotz 1-5 jeremypwr cls63 5-4 vd309 LTU_btc 5-5 casperBGD	Division 2 LFC_Bitcoin 1-4 Cryptofrka ulven 2-4 mv1986 famososMuertos 3-3 dbshck Woodie 1-1 Renato297 slaman29 4-2 strongkored notblox1 2-3 Trofo ralle14 1-3 leea-1334	Division 3A Coin_trader 3-6 Saint-loup bullrun2020bro 5-1 entebah DireWolfM14 2-2 Rikafip Kanapka 3-2 Dittoup BitcoinHunt3r 5-2 MAAManda Danydee 0-1 Pulsar77	Division 3B goodpunt 3-1 ILuckyGuyI chi20 4-2 Ozymandias_DZ Omikifuse 4-3 Bonta Jinetics1111 4-4 vivekdkhyani hakan2217 3-0 imarios navidart 4-2 Kokee44

[Woodie]

BetBoom is already in the final and they will play the winner from PSG and GG. That screenshot you posted looks confusing I agree, this one is much better to explain it.

After seeing PSG go down to the gladiators, I was so sure that BetBoom was going to win against Gaimin, but then again for Gladiators to knockout PSG was a clear sign that these boys meant  business and boy did they bring the house down when they faced BetBoom and that's how a point was rescued for me, phew

Btw the guys in division 2 arent playing around when it comes to the competition, and my general performance so far is below average and disappointing...need to shake  this up a note !

Renato297 well played   and great questions cro2