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[Harkorede]

Sour looser, my favorite kind, means I got into your head   You should have won this one long before DOTA, by far my worst round and only win of the season. RNG at its best. I feel the same about all American sports. To make it worse Americans themselves classified them as entertainment so that players can use any substance they want.

Nobody here likes DOTA except you, so I am not a sour loser Trofo, and you are taking advantage because you follow video games that are not sport.  
American sport is a sport, and nobody can deny that, but I dont follow NFL, baseball and many other sports.
This round was bad for most people so I wont complain much, but congrats to all the winners.

Dota is a series of strategy video games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dota

Hey guys, I hope this is not becoming some personal attacks and what have you.

Dota 2 has a large esports scene, with teams from around the world playing in various professional leagues and tournaments. Valve organizes the Dota Pro Circuit, which are a series of tournaments that award qualification points for earning direct invitations to The International, the game's premier tournament held annually. Internationals feature a crowdfunded prize money system that has seen amounts in upwards of US$40 million, making Dota 2 the most lucrative esport. Media coverage of most tournaments is done by a selection of on-site staff who provide commentary and analysis for the ongoing matches similar to traditional sporting events. In addition to playing live to audiences in arenas and stadiums, broadcasts of them are also streamed over the internet and sometimes simulcast on television, with several million in viewership numbers.

@notblox1 I really don't even don't think Trofo is the one in charge of setting this question and as far Esports is concern it's almost synonymous to tennis, no average middle aged guy loves Tennis outrightly, but we are forced to learn more about them and all I can say after a couple of months of consistent viewership is that I'll definitely take some Alcaraz vs a below 30 ranked player now rather than watch Brighton vs Chelsea football come the regular football season, but still I barely put my money on Tennis because the odds and chance doesn't correlate in my opinion.

MMA is often a this or that question except they'll have to include the likes of knockout or winning strategy like UD and SD, but you should know that most of us including me isn't familiar with MMA, and would rather just follow the sportbook odds like I would do for Formula 1 as well.

I have be clamoring for CS:GO questions not because it's the perfect spectrum for me, but at least I understand their players aim when streaming and how it work generally so it's literally fun watching for me, meanwhile I just stream Dota 2 for hours, I see kills scores but I really still don't understand major concepts like pros and cons of it, I just follow the commentary to know which team is having a better chance/game.

It only shows that nobody is having it fair and square here, the aim oof the sponsor is to bring wide audience to other sports, and in my opinion it is working, the only solution about MMA or UFC questions is that the Cro2 team can reach out to jeremypwr he knows the order of importance and expected spectators of these matches, perhaps it could be of help going forward.

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[Trofo]

@notblox1 I really don't even don't think Trofo is the one in charge of setting this question and as far Esports is concern it's almost synonymous to tennis, no average middle aged guy loves Tennis outrightly, but we are forced to learn more about them and all I can say after a couple of months of consistent viewership is that I'll definitely take some Alcaraz vs a below 30 ranked player now rather than watch Brighton vs Chelsea football come the regular football season, but still I barely put my money on Tennis because the odds and chance doesn't correlate in my opinion.

MMA is often a this or that question except they'll have to include the likes of knockout or winning strategy like UD and SD, but you should know that most of us including me isn't familiar with MMA, and would rather just follow the sportbook odds like I would do for Formula 1 as well.

I have be clamoring for CS:GO questions not because it's the perfect spectrum for me, but at least I understand their players aim when streaming and how it work generally so it's literally fun watching for me, meanwhile I just stream Dota 2 for hours, I see kills scores but I really still don't understand major concepts like pros and cons of it, I just follow the commentary to know which team is having a better chance/game.

It only shows that nobody is having it fair and square here, the aim oof the sponsor is to bring wide audience to other sports, and in my opinion it is working, the only solution about MMA or UFC questions is that the Cro2 team can reach out to jeremypwr he knows the order of importance and expected spectators of these matches, perhaps it could be of help going forward.

To be fair I am in charge of eSports questions since I follow that much more than cryptofrka. When we started we decided we will occasionally include DOTA, CS:GO and LOL questions in the BSFL as the eSports on which a lot of money is being thrown while betting. I tried to make CS:GO question twice and failed to do it in a way that it is full proof. Meaning I couldn't guarantee question will be valid by the time deadline passes. eSports are expending quickly and they are here to stay, they will always be part of this competition no matter what somebody say but they will never have more than one question per round and will probably only be included in couple of rounds.

I have never in my life watched a basketball match or F1 race, I have no interest in American sports altogether and something from those questions is included in every round. Those sports will continue to be included and cryptofrka will probably be the one writing those questions all the time.

We would love to include more MMA but here is the problem of identifying big tournaments, let us know and we will do it. We had it at least once already. We also wanted to include cricket a couple of times but we couldn't ask a question in a way it that we would get and answer 100% before round ends.

Once again, you all know how the question look, if you are following some fringe sport and it has big tournament coming up - write the question for us. We will include it if it is good which means:
*it gets resolved from Tuesday to Sunday
*Has covered all possible outcomes in answers

Why don't some of you take that opportunity and give yourself an advantage? But it doesn't work that way since when I am making the questions and answering them I am in totally different states of mind. Try it and see for yourself.

[slaman29]

In case anyone thought I hated DOTA I totally don't. I kinda like the questions, really enjoyed them. I'm not even trying to put MMA vs DOTA and which is better or worse, cricket, should be in BSFL too agree but it is so hard to go for questions in cricket, but I should say, go for the easy to count scores, like "how many 4s or how many 6s".

No need to complicate cricket. Google gives you all those answers live, you will get 4s and 6s even if game is cancelled halfway or goes to draw. And that's for me also how I see how big a sport is, if Google covers it live, then it's worth it for them to do so, right? That means it can't be a fringe sport.

I mean if you google MMA you get way more news and stats, with live video sometimes unlike DOTA, where you need the experts to tell us even where to find the draw information, so I don't know which is the fringe sport (thanks for liquipedia but I didn't found it from Google at all).

@notblox1 I disagree DOTA gives Cro2 advantage, you know I suck at La Liga pool and I personally think that is my most comfortable league in terms of knowledge lol! Anyway I recall you are the MMA expert, how many big events per year are there? See if you can fulfill Trofo's explanation above about how to get a foolproof answer to a question. Right now, the easiest I can think of comes from MMA predictions and very easy to verify because Google tracks all the results of UFC, which is "How many of the fights on Main and Preliminary cards (you can even see this on the Google search tabs) go the distance"? Which means, it will reach Round 3 or 5 (the max). Cancelled fights don't count, but every other outcome doesn't matter, just whether it reaches last round or not.

slaman29,,, Time for me to revenge you for winning the freebet, here is a hint,,, I made only 1 small risk in the selections, of course according to my feelings

You're on! Relegated guy versus promoted guy. You have a very hot form now, but let us see. GL

MMA is often a this or that question except they'll have to include the likes of knockout or winning strategy like UD and SD, but you should know that most of us including me isn't familiar with MMA, and would rather just follow the sportbook odds like I would do for Formula 1 as well.

Like NBA or tennis (this or that lol) except to include number of sets or games, MMA has many more combinations. I knew zero about it too until I played prediction contests from Sportsbet Actually I still know 1% about it but at least UD and SD like you said are familiar to me now.

That's why I appreciate BSFL a lot. Now I know DOTA. Now I know even a bit about NBA. Handball? F1? Amazing

[Harkorede]

Why don't some of you take that opportunity and give yourself an advantage? But it doesn't work that way since when I am making the questions and answering them I am in totally different states of mind. Try it and see for yourself.

I might have an idea on this, it's just going to be an extra work for you and cryptofrka, I suggest that you create a new form a perhaps 10 maximum entries of possible questions for the next round when publishing a new round questions, and there will also be a deadline for all submission maybe Friday, where users submitting the questions could be or not be anonymous, but will have to fill in a couple of criteria; like category the question fall under, starting date and ending date, is the event confirmed to hold or there is a possible of delay beyond the ending day of the week, then the question which should be at least 2 or more, you don't have to ask the questions verbatim, but it will bring new ideas of possible questions, and show another level of transparency from you guys.

As for me, this is not any form of d*ck riding because I don't even communicate with either of you except on these gambling threads, but in all fairness you both are doing a great job without any form of bias, the questions aren't straight and nobody gets an edge when you to pick questions with entangled clauses that have no feasible answers because the opinions on a each clause of the question are often repelling just like like charges in physics, or are logically 2/3 opposing scenarios.


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MMA is often a this or that question except they'll have to include the likes of knockout or winning strategy like UD and SD, but you should know that most of us including me isn't familiar with MMA, and would rather just follow the sportbook odds like I would do for Formula 1 as well.

Like NBA or tennis (this or that lol) except to include number of sets or games, MMA has many more combinations. I knew zero about it too until I played prediction contests from Sportsbet Actually I still know 1% about it but at least UD and SD like you said are familiar to me now.

They're completely different in terms of the way the question can be asked, for a full tour of about 64 matches combination gets played within 7 days and you're to pick the finalist, that can never be compared to MMA where there is often an easy way to answer question imo, if it's 3 round, I'll always go for UD on the favorite, I might likely be right 6/10, or 0/10, but I'll fancy my chances with the former, the NBA question that were asked were a combination 4 different match ups a couple of times too, I even believe the highly ranked boxing events with 12 rounds will be tougher to guess/predict than MMA, but I'm not against having MMA questions, because I now spend most of my Saturday or Sunday nights to watch every single fixture even the prelims, especially when I put in my prediction SB sponsored thread by jeremypwr and that's how I often find out if there is a Fight Night, or UFC round for the weekend generally.

[cryptofrka]

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By the way, what are the conditions for me to take a place in Division 2?

Top 2 teams from Division 3A and 3B get promoted directly.
Also, teams 3 and 4 from each of these play a 1v1 decider for the 3rd promotion spot.

In total 6 teams will achieve promotion - 3 from A and 3 from B.

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Regarding eSports - it's huge and will definitely be in the BSFL.
MMA is huge as well - we had 1 question and we do plan to have more.

The thing with MMA is that we're both clueless about it. Trofo explained it perfectly - there are multiple categories and the events are weirdly named so we can't google 'When is MMA world cup' - it doesn't work that way.
Croatian dude's fight wasn't important but let us know when something big is happening - we want to include more fighting sports.

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Why don't some of you take that opportunity and give yourself an advantage? But it doesn't work that way since when I am making the questions and answering them I am in totally different states of mind. Try it and see for yourself.

I totally second this, you are free to suggest questions all the time.
Don't feel bad if we don't select it and just try again, there are many sports and many rounds to go.

We still did not have any snooker, cricket, golf.. - there are a lot of things happening and finding the right balance isn't really that easy

I might have an idea on this, it's just going to be an extra work for you and cryptofrka, I suggest that you create a new form a perhaps 10 maximum entries of possible questions for the next round when publishing a new round questions, and there will also be a deadline for all submission maybe Friday, where users submitting the questions could be or not be anonymous, but will have to fill in a couple of criteria; like category the question fall under, starting date and ending date, is the event confirmed to hold or there is a possible of delay beyond the ending day of the week, then the question which should be at least 2 or more, you don't have to ask the questions verbatim, but it will bring new ideas of possible questions, and show another level of transparency from you guys.

It's better if you do it in the thread, maybe you get some merits as well and that way we can gauge the other participants interest with that kind of questions.
Also - by having it visible to all some dialogues on how to form the questions better might also occur. If we keep it to ourselves, we lose potential feedback from 50 people.

[mv1986]

I wanted to quickly jump in on the discussion here about DOTA and about the fact that Trofo phrases the questions as well. Last round there were 4 out of 52 participants getting the DOTA question right and I can tell that I have had a look at DOTA two or three times in my life and that was only due to BSFL. Yet, I was among the 4 who got it right. I solely used available resources on the Internet and when the answers were due, Betboom Team was a reasonable choice, but so was PSG.LGD. I was essentially rolling the dice and then I chose Gaimin Gladiators because I found a couple of resources saying that they are one of the best or the best tournament team. I could have picked other teams likewise. It was 50% research and 50% luck. If you also see how the tournament went this outcome was anything but certain.

Trofo and cryptofrka making the questions is part of how this league is run and I thought for a second like "hey this could give them an advantage", but they have done a nice and fair job in my opinion and how they spread the questions between different sports does not at all indicate any intention of favoring themselves. By the way, this is quite some work developing those questions and I am sure that even if the two guys would offer publicly that someone else could phrase the questions every single weekend for 12/13 weeks in a row, I doubt that a lot of volunteers would show up.

I like Trofo's offer that we ourselves can drop suggestions for questions, but even now I would probably not take the time and check what question I would like to see. Someone has to run this league and obviously, those someones also have a favorite sport because otherwise they wouldn't be running this project in the first place. But should that favorite sport (or one of their favorite sports) be excluded? No. If we had ever been flooded with DOTA questions like there is no tomorrow, I would get the point. But this last DOTA question could be fairly well researched even though it did take some time for me

But it pays off! I am sure that I am much better prepped for the next DOTA questions right off the bat. When I read "Cricket", it gets my hackles up! But hey, if on my next date the lady wants to talk Cricket, I fear I owe cryptofrka and Trofo a beer!

[slackovic]

I hate DOTA questions, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be included once in a while. I like to do the research when answering, but with some questions I just have to rely on luck or just pick the favorites to win. The same is with DOTA questions. If I had not f*cked up when doing my research for the previous week, I would have had one point in that question and I would have won against mitchr4. You guys (Trofo and cryptofrka) just keep up the good work. There will always be people that complain. Some with a reason and some just because they lost

[Trofo]

Like NBA or tennis (this or that lol) except to include number of sets or games, MMA has many more combinations. I knew zero about it too until I played prediction contests from Sportsbet Actually I still know 1% about it but at least UD and SD like you said are familiar to me now.

That's why I appreciate BSFL a lot. Now I know DOTA. Now I know even a bit about NBA. Handball? F1? Amazing

That is the idea behind this project, to introduce as many "fringe" sports as possible to make proper sports fanatics from all participants while keep majority of questions in safe sports like football to level the field a bit.

Snooker question is incoming for sure. I used to watch that sport a lot and I know more than enough to make a good question even if I don't follow current players that closely. Cricket is a big problem for us, it is very popular but it is also very hard sport to properly understand and we know nothing about it. Then there is also the fact that game lasts trough several days and usually collides with our deadlines.

I shared great sites for eSports and tennis, why don't some of you give something like that for other fringe sports? There is also a problem of explaining things properly, for DOTA I know enough to answer every possible question some newb has. I can't do that about cricket.

Why is nobody familiar with MMA yelling here, you have big tournament coming then and there? Do they even exist? I know that we have Wimbledon in tennis coming up and Riyadh Masters in DOTA coming up and both will be included. I also know there will be European Masters in Germany to cover snooker somewhere in August. I also plan to learn something about cricket in near future to better cover that sport.

[Jinetics1111]

Hey guys been reading the great dialogue between you guys, when it comes to questions I say just bring it on with anything. It's competition and I love it, it puts the brain juice to work week to week. And so far this competition has been great and I'm glad it's getting bigger and better.

With that said like a Pimp says to his employees "keep'em coming".

[buwaytress]

I have never seen such intense discussions about esports! I don't have much take on it but I can honestly say I've been following DOTA more since BSFL, following F1 more because of SB but also because that's what my kid watches, and I believe one point of BSFL was to get people to discuss more about sports, banter is great, even welcome -- so objective achieved I should say, based on evidence of conversations here.

Go to most other discussion threads and it's crappy spamfest with rehashed news. Come to the pools and BSFL and you hear more passionate discussions. I love seeing people get mad about sports, it's fun

Not to "defend" Cro2 here but we do have to accept that as organisers, they must feel comfortable enough and confident enough to put questions that have as black-and-white answers as possible, with scoring sites that can back them up. Tennis and football, F1, are the ones I'm pretty sure tick the boxes, I couldn't really say for anything else.

As Jinetics1111 says above, bring it on! Come at me. Cricket? Women's volleyball? Arm-wrestling? Strong man competition? Iron man?

BTW World Iron man 2023 is in September and for me, it's the biggest endurance event in the world, and the most "level" competition because it's not about privilege (like F1 or golf) but about pure "I will outlast you". But it's a huge complicated competition with so many qualifying levels (essentially the whole world is one big group stage starting at country level, and you need to earn qualifying tickets from smaller Iron Mans). Would love to see a question on it from the qualifiers July onwards but it's a tough ask to get a question in...

Prize money's shit, though, I guess which is why it doesn't get a lot of TV attention.

[slackovic]

I have never seen such intense discussions about esports! I don't have much take on it but I can honestly say I've been following DOTA more since BSFL, following F1 more because of SB but also because that's what my kid watches, and I believe one point of BSFL was to get people to discuss more about sports, banter is great, even welcome -- so objective achieved I should say, based on evidence of conversations here.

Go to most other discussion threads and it's crappy spamfest with rehashed news. Come to the pools and BSFL and you hear more passionate discussions. I love seeing people get mad about sports, it's fun

Not to "defend" Cro2 here but we do have to accept that as organisers, they must feel comfortable enough and confident enough to put questions that have as black-and-white answers as possible, with scoring sites that can back them up. Tennis and football, F1, are the ones I'm pretty sure tick the boxes, I couldn't really say for anything else.

As Jinetics1111 says above, bring it on! Come at me. Cricket? Women's volleyball? Arm-wrestling? Strong man competition? Iron man?

BTW World Iron man 2023 is in September and for me, it's the biggest endurance event in the world, and the most "level" competition because it's not about privilege (like F1 or golf) but about pure "I will outlast you". But it's a huge complicated competition with so many qualifying levels (essentially the whole world is one big group stage starting at country level, and you need to earn qualifying tickets from smaller Iron Mans). Would love to see a question on it from the qualifiers July onwards but it's a tough ask to get a question in...

Prize money's shit, though, I guess which is why it doesn't get a lot of TV attention.

Only DOTA and F1? I have never researched a tennis player before I got into BSFL. I didn't even know that eSport is a "sport" with that much money in it. BSFL is a great competition with great guys that manage it and with great participants. I must say that I was at first hesitate to join because I'm far from sports expert, but you have seen my winning run. I guess it's slightly more a matter of luck then knowledge.

[casperBGD]

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BTW World Iron man 2023 is in September and for me, it's the biggest endurance event in the world, and the most "level" competition because it's not about privilege (like F1 or golf) but about pure "I will outlast you". But it's a huge complicated competition with so many qualifying levels (essentially the whole world is one big group stage starting at country level, and you need to earn qualifying tickets from smaller Iron Mans). Would love to see a question on it from the qualifiers July onwards but it's a tough ask to get a question in...

Prize money's shit, though, I guess which is why it doesn't get a lot of TV attention.

have you tried to compete in one? or triathlon?
yeah, I find it also as biggest endurance event, but basically no coverage at all

marathon could also be interesting to add up, some of top5 (Big5) marathons, but that is probably a long shot as well

nevertheless, Cro2 team is doing great job and covering good topics/sports, and although I don't like DOTA or eSports, I don't have anything against those being within questions

[Trofo]

marathon could also be interesting to add up, some of top5 (Big5) marathons, but that is probably a long shot as well

nevertheless, Cro2 team is doing great job and covering good topics/sports, and although I don't like DOTA or eSports, I don't have anything against those being within questions

We will probably not have regular marathons but I think there will be some questions that cover athletics in general on Olympic games or maybe some big meetings.

@buwaytress That ironman final sounds intriguing, let us know when that gets close and we will try to make a question about it. Not gonna do it for qualifying events though. Same as we are not posting qualifying events for DOTA or even Wimbledon qualifiers.

[cryptofrka]

Great discussion, nice to hear all opinions. Keep it coming, we take it all into consideration.

Of course it ain't perfect, it will never be, we'll try to get as close to it as we can. So far we're having a lot of fun I'd say.

That said, here's the list of participants that did not submit their answers yet:
The deadline is 17:00 GMT and there's again a lot of questions that will be void for those that submit too late.

Code:

buwaytress
casperBGD
Chi20
cls63
Coin_trader
cryptofrka
darxiaomi
jeremypwr
LTU_btc
mv1986
Omikifuse
pulsar77
Renato297
Rikafip
Saint-loup
Slissy
Ulven
vd309
WOODIE

[Trofo]

And for those of you that already submitted, give this a read:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

Should be interesting at least to league leaders since they all got mentions

[mv1986]

And for those of you that already submitted, give this a read:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

Should be interesting at least to league leaders since they all got mentions

@Trofo I am not sure what the issue is but I had the same problem with the last link you posted here. I can't open them.

"Entschuldigung!
Diese Seite konnten wir leider nicht finden.

Bei Fragen stehen wir dir unter hello@sportsbet.io zur Verfügung."

It says the site doesn't exist.

[Trofo]

And for those of you that already submitted, give this a read:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

Should be interesting at least to league leaders since they all got mentions

@Trofo I am not sure what the issue is but I had the same problem with the last link you posted here. I can't open them.

"Entschuldigung!
Diese Seite konnten wir leider nicht finden.

Bei Fragen stehen wir dir unter hello@sportsbet.io zur Verfügung."

It says the site doesn't exist.

I believe it works only in English site. Somebody else had similar problem. Article is under News section of Sportsbet and you can try to look for it there but I think it is best that you open private window and just click on the link. Let me know if it worked.

Article is there and link is 100% good

Edit: Actually it is missing now, don't know what happened will check. Was working half an hour ago

[mv1986]

And for those of you that already submitted, give this a read:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

Should be interesting at least to league leaders since they all got mentions

@Trofo I am not sure what the issue is but I had the same problem with the last link you posted here. I can't open them.

"Entschuldigung!
Diese Seite konnten wir leider nicht finden.

Bei Fragen stehen wir dir unter hello@sportsbet.io zur Verfügung."

It says the site doesn't exist.

I believe it works only in English site. Somebody else had similar problem. Article is under News section of Sportsbet and you can try to look for it there but I think it is best that you open private window and just click on the link. Let me know if it worked.

Article is there and link is 100% good

Ahh yes that solves it. I exchanged the "de" in the link with "en" between the slashes and then it works out. Thanks!

[Trofo]

Ahh yes that solves it. I exchanged the "de" in the link with "en" between the slashes and then it works out. Thanks!

Now it isn't working for me and I don't have any "en" in the link, please post the one that works for you Something strange is happening

Edit: and now it is back online. I guess sever had a hiccup

[mv1986]

Ahh yes that solves it. I exchanged the "de" in the link with "en" between the slashes and then it works out. Thanks!

Now it isn't working for me and I don't have any "en" in the link, please post the one that works for you Something strange is happening

https://sportsbet.io/en/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

For anyone who is not able to read the article:

https://sportsbet.io/en/sports/soccer/news/bitcointalk-sports-fanatics-league-round-3

Sportsbet.io redirects to your country and it might not be available then. I had to change "de" to "en" as marked above.