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[Trofo]

I have two suggestions for next season. I'm wondering what your opinions are about these:

1) In case of there is a tie for free bet, the one who sent their prediction before is announced as the winner. (This can be applied for this season.)
2) In case of there are 7 or more similar answers in 10 questions, penalty questions are asked just as it is done in the cup. (Even if there is no tie these questions can be considered.)

Your first suggestion is interesting one, we will think about that. I like it since it offsets less info problem a little.

Your second suggestion will not get implemented. We like to have draws in league. Just like real leagues have draws. Nothing wrong with that.

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[Igebotz]

I have two suggestions for next season. I'm wondering what your opinions are about these:

1) In case of there is a tie for free bet, the one who sent their prediction before is announced as the winner. (This can be applied for this season.)
2) In case of there are 7 or more similar answers in 10 questions, penalty questions are asked just as it is done in the cup. (Even if there is no tie these questions can be considered.)

The first proposal is interesting, and if this rule was already implemented, I could have won my free bet over the lucky bastard buwatress in round 2 because I submitted my answers before him. And I agreed with Trofo on the second one: this is not a basketball game where there is no draw; this is a real-life league game, and there must be a draw.

[cryptofrka]

Tennis keeps shitting on our heads, eh?
Too important to leave out, really difficult to make questions 2 days in advance.

Regarding the changes to your answers - it would bring a massive amount of extra work. Right now you think you'd change it only when something like this happens, but if you had the opportunity you'd change 3 picks in every round just because you're insecure.

Maybe we can implement a system in which you get 3 changes per season - meaning that you can change one of the picks 3 times before the deadline.
It would be semi-fair, because in a question like this everybody would change, and the people that are left without changes would remain with incorrect picks.
Still, it's the same in tennis with Hawkeye - if you used all your challenges it doesn't matter anymore whether the ball's in or out - you cannot challenge it.

What do you think of such a system? Changes would have to be sent through PM to both of us.

Another thing I wanted to clarify, not sure if already: what if we're trying to submit answers in the final hour and Googledocs is down or sheet is inaccessible? Fair rules probably say you would be allowed to give an answer, but probably to send an answer in PM to Cro2? Failure to submit should be ruthless, right? No excuses for "no internet" and all that? Could be useful to figure out some additional rules on deadlines.

If that happens, just post in the thread or send a DM. Don't wait for last seconds though

[Jinetics1111]

I honestly have no complaints about anything, I like the way it is because it makes it harder. Be confident in your answers and get it cracking guys. 

[slackovic]

Reading what Trofo and cryptofrka wrote just confirms that they indeed are the right duo to run this competition. I have nothing to say against their decision because they seem fair to me.

As for the change of the answers, I agree with what cryptofrka suggested. It wouldn't be fair that we can change answers all the time. But three times in a season is good enough to cover problems with questions like this one.

[Igebotz]

Lol poor me at the very least, I have a cause to support the tennis question given since I've already lost a point in the league and am hoping to win some money for beer on the same question now.

Cerundalo you have my support now you bitch !

[Jinetics1111]

Ha, I'm hoping Tsitsi goes down today that would be great.

[mv1986]

Ha, I'm hoping Tsitsi goes down today that would be great.

I have been watching the game for a couple of minutes and I seriously can't even recognize Tsitsipas. I know that surface makes a difference, but that it can turn a player into a completely different player is difficult to grasp. Maybe he is gearing up his game now but so far it was the Tsitsipas on grass that most of us expected.

[Jinetics1111]

Ha, I'm hoping Tsitsi goes down today that would be great.

I have been watching the game for a couple of minutes and I seriously can't even recognize Tsitsipas. I know that surface makes a difference, but that it can turn a player into a completely different player is difficult to grasp. Maybe he is gearing up his game now but so far it was the Tsitsipas on grass that most of us expected.

Ya I been seeing he hasn't been in the best form as of late that's why I picked him not to win the tourney. But who knows maybe he turns it around. 

[mv1986]

Ha, I'm hoping Tsitsi goes down today that would be great.

I have been watching the game for a couple of minutes and I seriously can't even recognize Tsitsipas. I know that surface makes a difference, but that it can turn a player into a completely different player is difficult to grasp. Maybe he is gearing up his game now but so far it was the Tsitsipas on grass that most of us expected.

Ya I been seeing he hasn't been in the best form as of late that's why I picked him not to win the tourney. But who knows maybe he turns it around. 

Tsitsipas is a great example that whenever you want to place a bet in a tennis game, checking the ATP ranking is not enough! But BSFL taught me to pay attention to details here. He isn't worth a bet almost ever.

[cryptofrka]

Thanks, Tsitsi - never disappoints.

I'm now in the lead vs dbshck, he's got Germany to win and they are 2-0 down so it's looking good for me. Some goals in the next 30 mins are needed in the Euros though, otherwise I'm gonna lose that one even before tonight's games.

[arallmuus]

Tsitsipas is a great example that whenever you want to place a bet in a tennis game, checking the ATP ranking is not enough! But BSFL taught me to pay attention to details here. He isn't worth a bet almost ever.

Well yeah he often dissapoint but sometimes he makes it through the final somehow but I googled abit about him and I know he is a pretty decent in clay therefore I know for a reason that he wouldnt make it in this tournament also the Wimbledon will be on grass as well so yeah he wouldnt make it there either


Come on Czech I need you guys to score a single goal and win otherwise Im gonna lose another point tonight .

Edit : oh gosh Israel scored, there you have it another point goes to @Jayce

[slackovic]

Oh man I can't remember how many times Tsitsipas has let mi down in this competition. I think that every time I went with him winning anything, I got it wrong. How the hell is that guy sitting at the 5th place of the ATP? Now I know I'll go against him when there will be another question and I'm sure he will find some mysterious strength to win just to f*ck with me.

[Jinetics1111]

Ha, I'm hoping Tsitsi goes down today that would be great.

I have been watching the game for a couple of minutes and I seriously can't even recognize Tsitsipas. I know that surface makes a difference, but that it can turn a player into a completely different player is difficult to grasp. Maybe he is gearing up his game now but so far it was the Tsitsipas on grass that most of us expected.

Ya I been seeing he hasn't been in the best form as of late that's why I picked him not to win the tourney. But who knows maybe he turns it around. 

Tsitsipas is a great example that whenever you want to place a bet in a tennis game, checking the ATP ranking is not enough! But BSFL taught me to pay attention to details here. He isn't worth a bet almost ever.

I usually just bet live so at least I can see if they bringing their A-Game or not. And I NEVER use ATP rankings as a guide.

[buwaytress]

U21s headed for low-scoring goals... and FIBA is going as expected, I made my picks including Canada despite getting third in their group, I thought they would easily meet Turkey, and it seems to be the case, where I'm hopeful they can beat the Turks. I'm actually 4 points out of 5, not bad -- but haven't even been tested because vd309 also has the same answers so far. Tonight's U21s headed for low-scoring affairs so we might draw on that (both not getting a point).

And yes, tennis. If I'm not dreaming, think I read somewhere Tsitsi actually chose this "easier" tournament to try and get a win and some confidence back. Backfired.

If you think he's a disappointment in the past year of BSFL, you're wrong -- he's been disappointing fans for much longer than that. Have even a personal history where I backed him more than most to take over as the new generation of greats. How wrong I was.

@cryptofrka I like the Hawkeye-inspired 3 chances per season. But since we have short rounds, and these are meant for emergencies, perhaps only needs 1 chance per season? Again, I hate overthinking and overcomplicating but it might be something useful down the line (I don't mind the current system, I think the risk of missing a deadline is big enough to not push too close even if I did take the risk this round). I really wish VAR in EPL was given this too. Manager can have 3 VAR reviews per game.

[casperBGD]

what happened between Spain and Lebanon, had to check the score several times, it is 102:20
man, I didn't expect from anyone to play as that, even USA won over China some 20+ difference, not by 82

Tsitsipas just proved he is not anywhere close to being top player, one can have worse play on some surface, but he can't even win any match on grass, not being considered as title favorite
maybe we will see next round question about Tsitsi having first round drop-out at Wimbledon?

[mv1986]

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@cryptofrka I like the Hawkeye-inspired 3 chances per season. But since we have short rounds, and these are meant for emergencies, perhaps only needs 1 chance per season? Again, I hate overthinking and overcomplicating but it might be something useful down the line (I don't mind the current system, I think the risk of missing a deadline is big enough to not push too close even if I did take the risk this round). I really wish VAR in EPL was given this too. Manager can have 3 VAR reviews per game.

I like the idea as well and I think in order for Trofo and cryptofrka to have as less additional work to do as possible because of that solution, everyone should be bound to posting that change here publicly before the deadline. As long as the post arrives in this thread before the deadline and then gets quoted once by either Trofo or cryptofrka, it would count as accepted. The quote doesn't have to be before 19:00 forum time, but some time around that and I also think that there are enough active eyes here to ensure that no edits have been made anyway.

As for the number of jokers, I think I would vote for 2 despite the rounds being short. I wouldn't mind 3, but I think at least two because one can be spent whenever somebody wants and still has 1 in reserve for critical moments. It would be really bad if it happens twice and something is on the edge in the last two rounds and a loss is inbound due to such an issue.

[LTU_btc]

what happened between Spain and Lebanon, had to check the score several times, it is 102:20
man, I didn't expect from anyone to play as that, even USA won over China some 20+ difference, not by 82

France - Madagascar was also kind a massacre - 119-56 or 63 points difference. But I really can't recall team scoring 20 points at such level. After all, this is World Championship and Lebanon isn't worst team in basketball. How bad you should be to score 20 points in whole game, I think the me with my friends wouldn't do much worse

I have been watching the game for a couple of minutes and I seriously can't even recognize Tsitsipas. I know that surface makes a difference, but that it can turn a player into a completely different player is difficult to grasp. Maybe he is gearing up his game now but so far it was the Tsitsipas on grass that most of us expected.

It seems that after Tsitsipas started relationship with Badosa, his performance went down so much. Can't believe it's coincidense.

@notblox1 I really don't even don't think Trofo is the one in charge of setting this question and as far Esports is concern it's almost synonymous to tennis, no average middle aged guy loves Tennis outrightly, but we are forced to learn more about them and all I can say after a couple of months of consistent viewership is that I'll definitely take some Alcaraz vs a below 30 ranked player now rather than watch Brighton vs Chelsea football come the regular football season, but still I barely put my money on Tennis because the odds and chance doesn't correlate in my opinion.

Don't know, I follow tennis with pleasure, though my knowledge doesn't helps much on BSFL. I often have turned on some tennis tournaments on TV in background during daytime when there nothing more doesn't happens. I even would like to see WTA tour questions sometimes. But I really hate esports and everything what is related with it - simply not my thing. And my answers to esports questions is more or less random - it's really difficult to make research when you don't undertand thing and have zero interest in it. But still, don't mind all these esports questions.

[Trofo]

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@cryptofrka I like the Hawkeye-inspired 3 chances per season. But since we have short rounds, and these are meant for emergencies, perhaps only needs 1 chance per season? Again, I hate overthinking and overcomplicating but it might be something useful down the line (I don't mind the current system, I think the risk of missing a deadline is big enough to not push too close even if I did take the risk this round). I really wish VAR in EPL was given this too. Manager can have 3 VAR reviews per game.

I like the idea as well and I think in order for Trofo and cryptofrka to have as less additional work to do as possible because of that solution, everyone should be bound to posting that change here publicly before the deadline. As long as the post arrives in this thread before the deadline and then gets quoted once by either Trofo or cryptofrka, it would count as accepted. The quote doesn't have to be before 19:00 forum time, but some time around that and I also think that there are enough active eyes here to ensure that no edits have been made anyway.

As for the number of jokers, I think I would vote for 2 despite the rounds being short. I wouldn't mind 3, but I think at least two because one can be spent whenever somebody wants and still has 1 in reserve for critical moments. It would be really bad if it happens twice and something is on the edge in the last two rounds and a loss is inbound due to such an issue.

No need for quotes, you can see when the post has been edited and if it is it will not be accepted. If we implement it we will just change answers manually in the table and it will be up to the person that submitted change request to double check that we did not miss it. Post will always be available to reference since it must not be edited.

3 seems like good number for season when it starts but we will probably limit it on less if decide to implement it this season.

[mv1986]

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@cryptofrka I like the Hawkeye-inspired 3 chances per season. But since we have short rounds, and these are meant for emergencies, perhaps only needs 1 chance per season? Again, I hate overthinking and overcomplicating but it might be something useful down the line (I don't mind the current system, I think the risk of missing a deadline is big enough to not push too close even if I did take the risk this round). I really wish VAR in EPL was given this too. Manager can have 3 VAR reviews per game.

I like the idea as well and I think in order for Trofo and cryptofrka to have as less additional work to do as possible because of that solution, everyone should be bound to posting that change here publicly before the deadline. As long as the post arrives in this thread before the deadline and then gets quoted once by either Trofo or cryptofrka, it would count as accepted. The quote doesn't have to be before 19:00 forum time, but some time around that and I also think that there are enough active eyes here to ensure that no edits have been made anyway.

As for the number of jokers, I think I would vote for 2 despite the rounds being short. I wouldn't mind 3, but I think at least two because one can be spent whenever somebody wants and still has 1 in reserve for critical moments. It would be really bad if it happens twice and something is on the edge in the last two rounds and a loss is inbound due to such an issue.

No need for quotes, you can see when the post has been edited and if it is it will not be accepted. If we implement it we will just change answers manually in the table and it will be up to the person that submitted change request to double check that we did not miss it. Post will always be available to reference since it must not be edited.

3 seems like good number for season when it starts but we will probably limit it on less if decide to implement it this season.

But one thing comes to my mind: to save jokers, someone could just wait and check the thread here if information was missed or not searched for that will then be revealed by someone else who uses a joker. Is it an issue? Maybe via PM is better? I still think that someone doing the research should have an edge over someone leaning back and wait maybe?