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[Harkorede]

I actual feel confident of my FIBA U19 predictions at the worse we'll get a draw on that I believe, but the F1 is a game of fate for me, and maybe I might finally get to watch my first F1 race that I'll full attention to, that's provided there is no Tennis game I prefer already scheduled for the same time.


About the news I don't think I can complain too much since a lot of players clamoured for it, so it's fine by me! A rule for one is a rule for all.

I hope there is a better solution like the form being editable until he deadline, but I don't know the possibility of that being feasible, and I agree this might be for the greater good, but I don't think I'm the only one who make some picks already after opening the form since progress are saved until I'm sure that I don't need to make any further changes before submitting.

And no, you are not the only one who chooses his picks when opening the form for the first time and then change saved answers later. I do it too.

That's my point because having made certain picks already and waiting until sometime early on Tuesday, it literally means we all aren't waiting for any further information that could influence our decisions.

So I'm not sure how that would affect me, because about the tennis issue, by the time I first opened the form and up until when I submitted pick he wasn't in the Bracket so, I just didn't know well enough that a player that isn't currently in the bracket is not participating in the tournament and the sites I quoted yesterday stated that he wouldn't start from the first round so I thought until is opponent was known, only then would he available in the bracket so that's on me and my knowledge of tennis, If I had waited for even one minute before deadline, I still wouldn't have come across his withdrawal information and it's most likely due to being an ATP 250 tour was why the news wasn't an easy reach as at Monday and very early Tuesday, because I did check more than 5 times. I'm just trying to reiterate that me choosing De Minaur was never a case of how early or late I submitted my picks, it's rather about how familiar I was with Tennis rules regarding player withdrawal, I've never witnessed a player withdrawing that early with almost zero information about it, or I sure do usually find them in the bracket with the withdrawal or walkover/retired status but now I've got a very clear knowledge of it, I'm very sure!, and the same can be said for people who have in the past picked players that were to meet in the QF or earlier as their semi finalist answers, while that could be seen as playing it safe to get at least one answer right if 2 highly ranked/seeded players fall in the same bracket category in early rounds, but what about someone picking players from different tournament last week ?

In essence, I like how much efforts the CRO2 team are putting into this competition, making it better by every opportunity that arrives, and I hope there wouldn't be any further complications caused by this implementation of VAR.

EDIT: And for a slight suggestion: At the end of the season if there are players that cannot be separated points, SD, SA, H2H and other criteria that are already defined, should the player with the less VAR used have the edge ?

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[slackovic]

So I'm not sure how that would affect me, because about the tennis issue, by the time I first opened the form and up until when I submitted pick he wasn't in the Bracket so, I just didn't know well enough that a player that isn't currently in the bracket is not participating in the tournament and the sites I quoted yesterday stated that he wouldn't start from the first round so I thought until is opponent was known, only then would he available in the bracket so that's on me and my knowledge of tennis, If I had waited for even one minute before deadline, I still wouldn't have come across his withdrawal information and it's most likely due to being an ATP 250 tour was why the news wasn't an easy reach as at Monday and very early Tuesday, because I did check more than 5 times. I'm just trying to reiterate that me choosing De Minaur was never a case of how early or late I submitted my picks, it's rather about how familiar I was with Tennis rules regarding player withdrawal, I've never witnessed a player withdrawing that early with almost zero information about it, or I sure do usually find them in the bracket with the withdrawal or walkover/retired status but now I've got a very clear knowledge of it, I'm very sure!, and the same can be said for people who have in the past picked players that were to meet in the QF or earlier as their semi finalist answers, while that could be seen as playing it safe to get at least one answer right if 2 highly ranked/seeded players fall in the same bracket category in early rounds, but what about someone picking players from different tournament last week ?

In essence, I like how much efforts the CRO2 team are putting into this competition, making it better by every opportunity that arrives, and I hope there wouldn't be any further complications caused by this implementation of VAR.

Well, personally I always follow what people write here in this thread. I have Telegram bot that notifies me about every post. And precisely that gave me the advantage in this round because someone here wrote that De Minaur will not participate in the tournament. So it was pretty easy to answer, but I still wasn't sure until Cerundolo won his first round.

[cryptofrka]

It's not easy work at the backend, and we appreciate your efforts, but the questions should be double-checked before being released; there have already been too many promatic questions

All the questions are double checked. For this round - Georgia game was scheduled to be played at 9PM and De Minaur was still a 3rd seed when we released them.

We can make them bulletproof - by releasing them on Tuesday at 3PM.
The questions would be better as well - because we would not have to guess a lot of stuff that we do need to guess right now.

We went the other way just to give you more time, because we don't feel it's fair to you to have such a short window for answering. You're also playing from multiple time zones.

It's always a balance - both approaches create some problems. We feel this way is better and we'd rather have more players submitting and having some issues with the questions than no issues with questions but people feeling more pressured by the deadlines.

[Trofo]

The VAR is not a bad thing; I just hope that if we find ourselves in similar situations like this in the future, the game will not be voided; there was a similar situation like that with question No. 10 in the first season, round 11, where a player who was already out of the tournament prior to when the question was made was added to the question, and that alone caused many non- tennis fans a point, and nothing was done about it.

What are you talking about?

question you mentioned is:

10. We have a big tennis tournament played in Rome this week. Alcaraz had an easy time on clay this season but this is the first time that Đoković is playing in the same tournament with him. Everybody expects Đoković – Alcaraz final but most are undecided who will take it. Who will reach the final and who will take the title? Use following format: Đoković – Alcaraz; Alcaraz. This is a H2H question and you don't have to pick Đoković and Alcaraz, this tournament is full of surprises and it is probable that one of them will not even make it to the final encounter.

We did not give any players here, you just needed to choose finalists and winners. And both Djoko and Alcaraz that were used in example played in the tournament.

We can also make a trick question and intentionally give you a player that is likely to drop out due to injury. This is sports fanatics league and we expect you to know everything about every sport 

Void questions will only happen in situations when we screw up and don't cover all outcomes. We also added some rules in OP about the way we grade forfeits in particular sports. Stupid situations happen but with each season we will have more checks/rules to cover them.

[Harkorede]

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We can also make a trick question and intentionally give you a player that is likely to drop out due to injury. This is sports fanatics league and we expect you to know everything about every sport 

Yeah, that's what I initially felt this was because there are some players that ones they are given options, they don't try to do any research hence giving their opponents an unfair advantage, that we all were against but for those that didn't both submit their picks, at least there is a player in this round that wrote just USA and Spain in the FIBA u19 question.

So, It would have been very fine with me if that was the case in this scenario, but that'd have meant you already knew he wasn't going to play hence making it unfair, but from the way the question was asked and I was sure that you guys had no idea De Minaur had withdrew even before question was posted here, so that's why it wasn't an issue with me at all, however, going forward including this type of question might to some players beat the idea of fairness because either of you who sets the specific question would have known the answer beforehand, so that's like being one question ahead already, which is why those type of questions might really not work, myself personally, is very much okay with such question since it's expected of every user to do their due diligence on each question, but then I'm not everybody, so I can only speak for myself.

[buwaytress]

Man you guys, so quick. VAR. Love it. Don't worry if implementation is shit, experimentation tends to be high on the shit count Though with your track record, I don't have any reason to think it will be.

The recap and update on Sportsbet. Love it even more (only read it today haha). I actually remembered to go on Clubhouse TV chat today but seems like there was no session -- maybe tomorrow?

About keeping updates and news secret? Now I even don't mind giving tips on the forum (like someone did with de Minaur) -- because I could also be naughty and give a bad tip. Hint, hint, watch out guys...

buwatress, you're not opening my messages because I don't have any boobs?

Ah, I already read them on my notification (I get PMs to my email also, the magic of tech!) so I didn't even open them on forum. I might have even avoided reading the email msg if you did have boobs... I got your sidebet money, don't worry it will be put to bad use.

[Ulven]

The VAR is not a bad thing; I just hope that if we find ourselves in similar situations like this in the future, the game will not be voided; there was a similar situation like that with question No. 10 in the first season, round 11, where a player who was already out of the tournament prior to when the question was made was added to the question, and that alone caused many non- tennis fans a point, and nothing was done about it.

What are you talking about?

question you mentioned is:

10. We have a big tennis tournament played in Rome this week. Alcaraz had an easy time on clay this season but this is the first time that Đoković is playing in the same tournament with him. Everybody expects Đoković – Alcaraz final but most are undecided who will take it. Who will reach the final and who will take the title? Use following format: Đoković – Alcaraz; Alcaraz. This is a H2H question and you don't have to pick Đoković and Alcaraz, this tournament is full of surprises and it is probable that one of them will not even make it to the final encounter.

We did not give any players here, you just needed to choose finalists and winners. And both Djoko and Alcaraz that were used in example played in the tournament.

We can also make a trick question and intentionally give you a player that is likely to drop out due to injury. This is sports fanatics league and we expect you to know everything about every sport 

Void questions will only happen in situations when we screw up and don't cover all outcomes. We also added some rules in OP about the way we grade forfeits in particular sports. Stupid situations happen but with each season we will have more checks/rules to cover them.

Ah, the sport-lovers league, where the questions are challenging and the ailments are many! Although even I have my limitations, I'm ready to delve into the field of sports expertise. Consequently, let's see what type of curveball you have in store for me.

Just be aware that I may need to contact my virtual physiotherapist for assistance if you assign me a player who is prone to injuries. We must patch up such information gaps and dispel any lingering concerns. Even though I have a lot of knowledge, I can't seem to get the hang of predicting the future!

[Igebotz]

It's not easy work at the backend, and we appreciate your efforts, but the questions should be double-checked before being released; there have already been too many promatic questions

All the questions are double checked. For this round - Georgia game was scheduled to be played at 9PM and De Minaur was still a 3rd seed when we released them.

The Georgia question and tennis questions gave unfair advantage to those who waited a bit longer before putting in their answers, I still believe that the tennis question should have been voided since the Cro2 team knew Alex didn't even travel to the tournament before putting up their answers and since it was only two options question but that's by the way.

We did not give any players here, you just needed to choose finalists and winners. And both Djoko and Alcaraz that were used in example played in the tournament.

We can also make a trick question and intentionally give you a player that is likely to drop out due to injury. This is sports fanatics league and we expect you to know everything about every sport 

Nope, Alcaraz was already out of the competition when the spreadsheet was opened, and there was no reason for him to be included in that question; he is a top seeded player, and non-tennis fans were bound to pick him as favourite without doing any research. Many of us fell for it, and when I noticed it, I raised a flag, and my opponent was also unhappy with how the question was framed.

I still insist that questions should be double checked before letting out, most is of us are new to many sports here and those little tricks mess with our research.

[notblox1]

Thanks, and hopefully, you can bounce back on the next round.  

Thank you.
I think that lose from Trofo in last round ruined my mojo, so I need a win asap

Due to popular demand and some recent developments which penalized early submitters we have decided to introduce VAR. Basically a way for you to edit your answers 3 times per season. Since this season is already well under way, we are giving you 2 challenges for season 2.

This is a cool idea but I think it would be much faster for everyone if you could simply enable access to spreadsheet to people who request it, and after user editing you can lock it again.
I dont know f it is possible to unlock spreadsheet only for individual members, while keeping them locked for everyone else.

[Jinetics1111]

Man oh man, Boca Jr's got me nervous with that red card but followed up with a goal. And then another goal 2nd half looking good for that Question.

Edit: Lets go green box Boca scored again and again.

[ralle14]

Thank you.
I think that lose from Trofo in last round ruined my mojo, so I need a win asap

Wait, I checked the spreadsheet and noticed that you still have a chance at taking a point since we have different answers in the last three questions. 

You already got one down from the Copa Libertadores question, and I might actually throw my lead. 

[Trofo]

Nope, Alcaraz was already out of the competition when the spreadsheet was opened, and there was no reason for him to be included in that question; he is a top seeded player, and non-tennis fans were bound to pick him as favourite without doing any research. Many of us fell for it, and when I noticed it, I raised a flag, and my opponent was also unhappy with how the question was framed.

I still insist that questions should be double checked before letting out, most is of us are new to many sports here and those little tricks mess with our research.

We can't do anything about it. Questions are checked at Sunday when we post them. There is a lot of time until Tuesday deadline and stuff happens. We don't want to give shorter deadline to accommodate all time zones and we want to have tennis questions. Every single tennis tournament starts on Monday and that is the risk we must take when making tennis question. I checked the tournament in question and Alcaraz was 1.01 favorite to win that match against Marozsan so I really can't take the blame for including him in example as top seed.

We could write vanilla questions but that seems much more boring to me. That story we give in front of question is just that, a story that helps you see our mindset and some of the reasons why we included it in the form. All those tennis questions can be made just in a way "We have tournament in the Rome, name finalists and winner". And now you are giving us problems because we want to do more? Feel free to disregard the story part of every question, only the question itself is important when answering and I already told that at least twice here in the thread. We double and triple check the questions itself but story part I am writing from my head and could have misleading stuff in it. It doesn't usually, but it could, especially by the time of deadline. Don't know how my colleague does it

Georgia game was scheduled to be played at 19h, we both checked it on Sunday and then both livescore and bookies got new info later on and game was played at 14h. That is something we did not expect to happen even in the wildest dreams. But we were lucky in the end and that early start gave no real advantage. Both games were draws at halftime and Netherlands was a better team in first half just like the odds suggested. I believe anybody who answered at the halftime had the same dilemma as those that answered early. For instance I answered early and was happy that I did not have to do it at this point.

[slaman29]

Yup, everything's a draw with me and my opponent, so all remaining sports is not really impactful in any way.

Great news about VAR, personally, I don't really mind and would not use it except in emergencies like if I accidentally submitted or if I suddenly can't remember if I wrote correct.

I should point out that I drew this round because I knew about de Minaur when I submitted with 1 hour left I think my opponent was one of the earliest to submit and had no way to know about de Minaur dropping out. So kudos to you leea, you "could" have won this round with VAR intervention

[mv1986]

Georgia game was scheduled to be played at 19h, we both checked it on Sunday and then both livescore and bookies got new info later on and game was played at 14h. That is something we did not expect to happen even in the wildest dreams. But we were lucky in the end and that early start gave no real advantage. Both games were draws at halftime and Netherlands was a better team in first half just like the odds suggested. I believe anybody who answered at the halftime had the same dilemma as those that answered early. For instance I answered early and was happy that I did not have to do it at this point.

I changed my initial prediction from group leader to runner-up because the Netherlands scored the 1-1 shortly before half-time and I thought that that goal will break Georgia's neck and the Netherlands were overwhelming them all the time. Even before the game started I wanted to go with Georgia finishing the group 1st. Therefore, waiting turned out to become a disadvantage for me


I think we can put this discussion to an end with the VAR rules now being implemented. As I said before, the development of those questions never have been taken lightly at any point. It is a lot of work and considering how much time I sometimes spend researching the questions, framing the questions is even worse.


Being sour about it is neither productive nor constructive. Rather, suggestions for improvements as we are now doing it is helpful. That's how we should do it going forward and over time we'll get closer to perfection (although we'll never reach perfection).

[Pulsar77]

I thought Cerundolo would have been counted as the winner directly as De Minaur didn't even make it to the tournament. But it looks like it will be counted as "the same" if Cerundolo doesn't beat Huesler today. I guess the question won't be removed from this round but I'm lucky that my opponent picked the same answer as me.  

De Minaur was in the draw and seeded on Sunday. I don't know if he left on Monday or later. If you google De Minaur Eastbourne you will still get hits on google even though actual pages where links lead have him replaced with Jarry. That is moot point anyway, we don't have a habit of doing trick questions on purpose but there could be one thrown in here and there.

I spoke with cryptofrka and we agreed on following:
1. Question will not be voided, if we intended to do that we would have done it immediately when it became a "problem"
Quote from rules:

Forfeits in sports like Tennis or loses due to technical problems in eSports are counted as regular ML wins.

2. If Cerundalo wins today, he is correct answer. If Cerundalo looses today, Same is correct answer. This match today has almost even odds on Cerundalo and his opponent so this is by no means a done deal.

Understood.    I didn't know how the system worked exactly in this kind of situations. Thank you for your detailed explanation. Of course it looks like this incident happened in a really unexpected time that it made people wonder what was going to happen after this.


I liked the VAR system. It would be really great for some unexpected cases as well to change our picks according to that. In the end sometimes one can make their picks without looking at the latest news and this can even lead them to be disadvantageous already.

[hakan2217]

Guys what is the result of the 5 favorite to win in libertatores? Did all teams win or still games to play? Since I'm not talking too much since Im not doing good in this gw as you can see I need some points, otherwise nadividart my boi ganna beat me 

[slackovic]

Guys what is the result of the 5 favorite to win in libertatores? Did all teams win or still games to play? Since I'm not talking too much since Im not doing good in this gw as you can see I need some points, otherwise nadividart my boi ganna beat me 

I just checked the SofaScore website and it's like this:
Atl. Paranaense won 3-0 against Palmeiras
River Plate won 2-0 against The Strongest (funny name for the club )
Flamengo RJ won 4-0 against Aucas
Corinthias SP won 3-0 against Liverpool (not THE Liverpool, it's Liverpool from Uruguay )
Boca Juniors won 4-0 against Sarmiento

So not only that the favorites won, they dominated as none of them conceded a goal. Hardkorede and me answered "No" on that question so it's the same for me.

[hakan2217]

Guys what is the result of the 5 favorite to win in libertatores? Did all teams win or still games to play? Since I'm not talking too much since Im not doing good in this gw as you can see I need some points, otherwise nadividart my boi ganna beat me 

I just checked the SofaScore website and it's like this:
Atl. Paranaense won 3-0 against Palmeiras
River Plate won 2-0 against The Strongest (funny name for the club )
Flamengo RJ won 4-0 against Aucas
Corinthias SP won 3-0 against Liverpool (not THE Liverpool, it's Liverpool from Uruguay )
Boca Juniors won 4-0 against Sarmiento

So not only that the favorites won, they dominated as none of them conceded a goal. Hardkorede and me answered "No" on that question so it's the same for me.

Oh wow we should have make a bet for all off them dangg  thank you I picked Yes and My opponent picked no I believe  The Strogest is a nice name for a team actually.  I like Pumas, Grasshoppers and Limon as a team names aswell 

[slackovic]

Oh wow we should have make a bet for all off them dangg  thank you I picked Yes and My opponent picked no I believe  The Strogest is a nice name for a team actually.  I like Pumas, Grasshoppers and Limon as a team names aswell 

Yeah, it's especially a nice name for the team that loses 2-0 OK, it's against a big favorite but still... I'm sure that River Plate players are proud to say that they beat The Strongest haha

I really don't follow that competition and I always expect at least one of the favorites to slip up, but I guess it's different in South America than in Europe.

[hakan2217]

Oh wow we should have make a bet for all off them dangg  thank you I picked Yes and My opponent picked no I believe  The Strogest is a nice name for a team actually.  I like Pumas, Grasshoppers and Limon as a team names aswell 

Yeah, it's especially a nice name for the team that loses 2-0 OK, it's against a big favorite but still... I'm sure that River Plate players are proud to say that they beat The Strongest haha

I really don't follow that competition and I always expect at least one of the favorites to slip up, but I guess it's different in South America than in Europe.

Yes actully I'm thinking the same, feels like one of them ganna slip and fall right    but actully this questions are coin flip imo, I got 3/3 so far on them. Can these teams beat their weak opponents? Yes. Are they ganna beat them today? Only God knows