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[mv1986]

Brazil won, but I needed England to score. Still a good result for me, as bloody France are toothless with only 20 minutes to play, so looks like I'll lose that one, to bring the round to 3-2 with only NCAA and F1 to go and judging by leea's answer of "3nd Ferrari driver", I should win that one right? Heh heh

I feel that 3-goal differences are quite rare in BSFL so yeah, 3-0 is the best you get. Maybe not even that in the future

Too lazy to look at past history but I think 1-goal difference rounds feel like the most common result. 3-2 also feels like the most common result or median for me, but I wonder what the stats look like across the leagues. Have a feeling it's been quite big in Div3s, but am only relying on imagined memory.

It's too big a freebie, agree. Should be 1-0, to reflect how relatively often it happens (once to me already in 4 seasons, something to remind CLS63 forever about).

Division 3 historic results are skewed quite a bit as there were tons of 3-0 because so many players got disqualified. If anyone wants to have a look and calculate the average, I think the spreads resulting in 3-0 from disqualification should be excluded. But anyway, 3-0 is more than fair I guess although toning it down means less of a penalty to the one not submitting. There are two sides to the coin. But that has been taken care of due to the reward penalties at the end of the season. Hence, a 2-0 might make sense in the future.


@cls63 the innocuous Equipe Tricolore sealed the deal for me. I was still a bit nervous and I thought the early German goal play more into your hands as I suspected the French team to go even harder. But the Germans did quite well on this one.

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[Harkorede]

Brazil won, but I needed England to score. Still a good result for me, as bloody France are toothless with only 20 minutes to play, so looks like I'll lose that one, to bring the round to 3-2 with only NCAA and F1 to go and judging by leea's answer of "3nd Ferrari driver", I should win that one right? Heh heh

I feel that 3-goal differences are quite rare in BSFL so yeah, 3-0 is the best you get. Maybe not even that in the future

Too lazy to look at past history but I think 1-goal difference rounds feel like the most common result. 3-2 also feels like the most common result or median for me, but I wonder what the stats look like across the leagues. Have a feeling it's been quite big in Div3s, but am only relying on imagined memory.

It's too big a freebie, agree. Should be 1-0, to reflect how relatively often it happens (once to me already in 4 seasons, something to remind CLS63 forever about).

I should have followed my freaking guts on the Brazil vs England game, I was also sure of Brazil not losing while I also believed that England new experimental squad could find it hard to score, I had Brazil not to lose and BTTS No initially as I don’t like BTTS option but I change it at the I wanted to submit simply because I felt my opponent would also go with BTTS, while I don’t like taking BTTS, what I hate more is when I lose a point to an opponent because of it.

[slackovic]

I should have followed my freaking guts on the Brazil vs England game, I was also sure of Brazil not losing while I also believed that England new experimental squad could find it hard to score, I had Brazil not to lose and BTTS No initially as I don’t like BTTS option but I change it at the I wanted to submit simply because I felt my opponent would also go with BTTS, while I don’t like taking BTTS, what I hate more is when I lose a point to an opponent because of it.

What are you talking about losing a point to me? You have just won the first point because France couldn't score against Germany. Now you are up 3-2 with only two different answers left.

I'm not sure what is happening to my team. Whatever I do and however I choose my answers, I just can't win a round.

[Harkorede]

I should have followed my freaking guts on the Brazil vs England game, I was also sure of Brazil not losing while I also believed that England new experimental squad could find it hard to score, I had Brazil not to lose and BTTS No initially as I don’t like BTTS option but I change it at the I wanted to submit simply because I felt my opponent would also go with BTTS, while I don’t like taking BTTS, what I hate more is when I lose a point to an opponent because of it.

What are you talking about losing a point to me? You have just won the first point because France couldn't score against Germany. Now you are up 3-2 with only two different answers left.

I'm not sure what is happening to my team. Whatever I do and however I choose my answers, I just can't win a round.

Firstly, I didn't say I lost a point to you on that question and I'm just stating how I feel whenever I've had to lose a point to an opponent when they chose BTTS, and I went the other way simply because of my personal sentiment of not liking to go with BTTS in any question, and yeah right I got the France absolutely spot on, just like I had anticipated and told you before hand 

Secondly, there is going to be only one question difference left between us, because the Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix have just been concluded a some minutes ago, and it's going to end as draw for us, George Russell couldn't finish the race as he crashed in the last rap, while Oscar Piastri finished 4th, but Lance Stroll finished in 7th position ahead of Hulkenberg in 9th place, which bring us even, All we've got left is the March Madness fixtures.

Lastly, I told you I'll only help you compound your teams' misery after you trash talked my team during your last press conference, talking about victimizing my team, a threat which they didn't take likely at all and decided to bring the whole energy to the stadium, now all we ask is that your acknowledgement should be louder than your disrespect mate  

[slackovic]

Firstly, I didn't say I lost a point to you on that question and I'm just stating how I feel whenever I've had to lose a point to an opponent when they chose BTTS, and I went the other way simply because of my personal sentiment of not liking to go with BTTS in any question, and yeah right I got the France absolutely spot on, just like I had anticipated and told you before hand 

Secondly, there is going to be only one question difference left between us, because the Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix have just been concluded a some minutes ago, and it's going to end as draw for us, George Russell couldn't finish the race as he crashed in the last rap, while Oscar Piastri finished 4th, but Lance Stroll finished in 7th position ahead of Hulkenberg in 9th place, which bring us even, All we've got left is the March Madness fixtures.

Lastly, I told you I'll only help you compound your teams' misery after you trash talked my team during your last press conference, talking about victimizing my team, a threat which they didn't take likely at all and decided to bring the whole energy to the stadium, now all we ask is that your acknowledgement should be louder than your disrespect mate  

Oh, I didn't know that the F1 was already finished. It's Sunday morning where I live and I expected that the race will be on later today. I forgot that F1 is in Australia which is in an earlier timezone than Europe. Well... All I can say that I hope my team manage to get a draw. Three losses in a row would really killing the morale of the team, but even if that happens, we will come out strong and manage to secure our spot in division 1 in the end.

[slaman29]

It's is rule as 3:0 regardless of the scoreline, I'm one of the few people who even feel that 3:0 is a bit too generous and put the rest of the league at a disadvantage.

If they are going to count the original scoreline instead of 3:0 default walkover, then they would also have to render the result as a draw, if the player that's supposed to get the 3 walkover goes 0/10 in their answers for the week , right ?

True, true, I was not really serious about asking of course, just that thinking of scenarios if DRAWS happen at end of season and you lose on goal difference just because your opponent didn't show up on time (but you would have won if he made it earlier).

I don't think it will ever happen for sure, but it's a possible scenario

@Trofo @cryptofrka What happens if the actual scoreline is better than 3-0 in a walkover win, will that be counted? I guess not really, but just curious if this ever happened to anyone

Nope, as Harkorede said, 3-0 is quite generous already. We might even tone it down in the future, football has it as 3-0 so we used that one but in real football it never really happens, while in BSFL it does.
The thing is that if you get 5 correct ones, you feel 'hey' I would have won this 5-0, this is unfair', while in reality you'd probably win 5-3, or even draw/lose.

I feel that 3-goal differences are quite rare in BSFL so yeah, 3-0 is the best you get. Maybe not even that in the future

Agree, but I'm just thinking of scenario, where the late guy submitted, and if he was on time, the score would be more than 3 GD, and it makes a difference in season end. It's not important, but if it happens, it would be very unfair for the guy who couldn't control his opponent being late.

OR, what if, final game of season, and points are same for 1st and 2nd and 3rd, so GD is important. Or one guy needs 4+ goal difference to beat relegation, but opponent decides, he will f that guy up and give walkover for only 3 GD or less in future.

So in totality I agree, 3-0 is too big difference, but maybe, maybe, one option is for late submitter to be penalty 1 point, but make their next round a double round. So like they will take their normal round opponent but also the previous round opponent, like double game week.

They don't have to do extra, just both guys face each other again next round, if the missing guy AGAIN did not submit, THEN 3-0 win is awarded.

I know I'm making a lot of noise it's actually not important just enjoying my free week

[Trofo]

It's is rule as 3:0 regardless of the scoreline, I'm one of the few people who even feel that 3:0 is a bit too generous and put the rest of the league at a disadvantage.

If they are going to count the original scoreline instead of 3:0 default walkover, then they would also have to render the result as a draw, if the player that's supposed to get the 3 walkover goes 0/10 in their answers for the week , right ?

True, true, I was not really serious about asking of course, just that thinking of scenarios if DRAWS happen at end of season and you lose on goal difference just because your opponent didn't show up on time (but you would have won if he made it earlier).

I don't think it will ever happen for sure, but it's a possible scenario

@Trofo @cryptofrka What happens if the actual scoreline is better than 3-0 in a walkover win, will that be counted? I guess not really, but just curious if this ever happened to anyone

Nope, as Harkorede said, 3-0 is quite generous already. We might even tone it down in the future, football has it as 3-0 so we used that one but in real football it never really happens, while in BSFL it does.
The thing is that if you get 5 correct ones, you feel 'hey' I would have won this 5-0, this is unfair', while in reality you'd probably win 5-3, or even draw/lose.

I feel that 3-goal differences are quite rare in BSFL so yeah, 3-0 is the best you get. Maybe not even that in the future

Agree, but I'm just thinking of scenario, where the late guy submitted, and if he was on time, the score would be more than 3 GD, and it makes a difference in season end. It's not important, but if it happens, it would be very unfair for the guy who couldn't control his opponent being late.

OR, what if, final game of season, and points are same for 1st and 2nd and 3rd, so GD is important. Or one guy needs 4+ goal difference to beat relegation, but opponent decides, he will f that guy up and give walkover for only 3 GD or less in future.

So in totality I agree, 3-0 is too big difference, but maybe, maybe, one option is for late submitter to be penalty 1 point, but make their next round a double round. So like they will take their normal round opponent but also the previous round opponent, like double game week.

They don't have to do extra, just both guys face each other again next round, if the missing guy AGAIN did not submit, THEN 3-0 win is awarded.

I know I'm making a lot of noise it's actually not important just enjoying my free week

Never gonna happen. We need firm rules that aren't open to interpretations.

Problem with late submission is that we don't know when that submission will come. It can be late 5 minutes, late a day or not come at all. To cover all possibilities with rules is quite impossible. And then you also have a situation where something changes between deadline and submission.

For instance we have tennis question regarding Djoković, he does not play in that time frame between deadline and submission but there are news popping up about his injury. First of all we could miss those news and then even if we are aware of it how to grade it? Event hasn't started but person submitting late had an advantage which we don't know if he used or not.

Double rounds are not fair to person that submitted on time. What if he had 8/10 correct in initial round and 1/10 in repeated round?

I don't see any way we can tweak this except change 3:0 to some some other number but I will argue even here that 3:0 sounds the best to me.

[slackovic]

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I don't see any way we can tweak this except change 3:0 to some some other number but I will argue even here that 3:0 sounds the best to me.

I think that 3-0 defeat for the team that didn't submit their answers is a good rule. It's the same when in football a game is canceled for some reason - it's marked as a 3-0 win for the other team. If the game was played, maybe the winning team would have won with a greater goal difference, but that's the rule and no one is complaining about it.

[Harkorede]

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I don't see any way we can tweak this except change 3:0 to some some other number but I will argue even here that 3:0 sounds the best to me.

I think that 3-0 defeat for the team that didn't submit their answers is a good rule. It's the same when in football a game is canceled for some reason - it's marked as a 3-0 win for the other team. If the game was played, maybe the winning team would have won with a greater goal difference, but that's the rule and no one is complaining about it.

I’m actually complaining about it, I’ve done so a couple times ad nauseam, if you look at the first two rounds in the division one, only two games have ended with 3+ goal difference, a 3 goals difference is hard to come by in the division, so if someone gets above the average goal difference, it put them at an advantage in the long run, and the league matches isn’t really much so the +3 goals difference a couple of times can be extremely significant at the end of the season where you’d expect a couple of people to be tied on points, but as I’ve said before the beginning of the season, that if the 3:0 default score line should stand, then H2H should be the first metric for a tiebreaker, at least that’d take away a potential 3:0 or more advantage that one player might have received over the course of the league, I wouldn’t like to see someone not get enough consideration and all necessary points for submitting their picks on time while their opponent failed to do so, it’s not their fault, but then the entire league shouldn’t be the ones paying the price either.

[slackovic]

I’m actually complaining, I’ve done so a couple times ad nauseam, if you look at the first two round in the division one, only the games have end with 3 or goal difference, a 3 goals difference is hard to come by in the division, so if someone gets above the average goal difference, it put them at an advantage in the long run, and the league matches isn’t really much so the +3 goals difference a couple of times can be extremely significant at the end of the season where you’d expect a couple people to be tied on points, but as I’ve said before the beginning of the season, that if the 3:0 default score line should stand, then H2H should be the first metric for a tiebreaker, at least that’d take away a potential 3:0 or more advantage that one player might have received of the course the league, I wouldn’t like to see someone not get enough consideration and all necessary points for submitting their picks on time while their opponent failed to do so, it’s not their fault, but then the entire league shouldn’t be the ones paying the price either.

Maybe I'm not the right person to comment about it because I don't take this competition that seroiusly. To me it's more about fun and comment about the results than about winning. Of course, a reward in the end of a season can make people put in more effort but I'm not one of them. If I lose a round, I lose it. If someone else gets unfair advantage because his opponent didn't submit on time, while I lost from that same opponent, then it's tough luck for me.

And just one more thing. I have never got free point due to my opponent not submitting on time.

[arallmuus]

I just noticed that I made a mistake on question #7, I thought it would be total of goal scored but instead it was total of goal France will score hence I answered that with 3+ goals lol. I should have read it carefully

Anyway, well done mate @Saint-Loup  . I didnt know that I was already down by 1 point on question #7 and I thought everything would be settled on question #9 but yeah even then I would have lost as well. Hamilton and Alonso was a bad choice after all

[jeremypwr]

Great week for me as I'll be scoring my 2nd consecutive 3 points 
Really expecting to finish Top 2 this season; anything else would be unacceptable

[buwaytress]

Yeah, Trofo and Harko, England just let everyone down so badly. The international version of Sevilla/Valencia I guess, if you want to draw comparisons.

Harko I put BTTS because I believed England would score but I often go for BTTS in BSFL for the very reason you gave: knowing my opponent is likely to choose BTTS. Very similar thinking we have in BSFL I've been discovering..!

Division 3 historic results are skewed quite a bit as there were tons of 3-0 because so many players got disqualified. If anyone wants to have a look and calculate the average, I think the spreads resulting in 3-0 from disqualification should be excluded. But anyway, 3-0 is more than fair I guess although toning it down means less of a penalty to the one not submitting. There are two sides to the coin. But that has been taken care of due to the reward penalties at the end of the season. Hence, a 2-0 might make sense in the future.

I think it's always going to be difficult to put down something that's fair for both the person failing to submit, their opponent, and then the rest of the league. I can certainly feel the "pain" of those who never "enjoyed" free points.

'm willing to accept whatever happens, it doesn't really concern me and I'd never feel that any decision is unfair -- everything balances out for everyone in the long run.

I do like a concept that only penalises the offender, and not benefits the other. I agree with cryptofrka, a walkover happens extremely rarely in actual football so that 3-0 reflects that rarity. But BSFL need a way to figure out how to settle the game so I'm okay with this 3-0 rule. Not adverse to a change if someone figures something better.

Slaman29's suggestion isn't too bad actually. It only penalises the offender, and still ensures both teams play a normal game in the following round, no "bonus", just a point penalty + the fee rule penalty. Might I suggest that in the following round, the offender also has to give a handicap? Say, if it ends in a draw, the offender loses. Call it the away goal rule. Complicated though, unless we hope it happens less and less.

[Trofo]

Great week for me as I'll be scoring my 2nd consecutive 3 points 
Really expecting to finish Top 2 this season; anything else would be unacceptable

Nice.

In my duel against Jayce it is all about Italy tonight, I need them to not win for 3 points.
@jayce come on, you were the only one that got england-brazil correct in whole BSFL and I have to play against you, not fair. But to offset it a little I got back at you on F1 which is something I never even hoped for.


We also have to wait night games to grade March Madness question so official results and tables will be live tomorrow. We will of course post a new set of questions later today. Have fun guys.

[darbitmobilerecovery]

Well i can only expect a draw for me in this round after the disaster in the Australian GP. Mercedes with two DNF destroy my hopes on that question and plus Ferrari find the nail in his car for this race, and i didnt expect to see Sainz in such form after his procedure.

Good played Chi20.

Looking into the next round questions, its gonna be hard again because we still having some national team games.

[cryptofrka]

Croatia winning on penalties, nothing new here Not important for BSFL but it was the game I watched.

I watched Engalnd - Brazil and France - Germany, but heard we were boring again.
I was surprised to see penalties being shot, it's quite rare in friendlies. I do support it, especially before big competitions, and I'm really not sure why more teams don't do it.

Great week for me as I'll be scoring my 2nd consecutive 3 points  
Really expecting to finish Top 2 this season; anything else would be unacceptable

Yeah, you can finish 2nd, I'm fine with that

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Regarding the 3-0 thing - well, it's more meant to punish the offender with another -3 GD to an already deducted point than to reward the guy getting a freebie.
Some things we unfortunately can't balance - it's the same like when a great team rotates against a relegation struggling one and loses - you just have to accept it.

slaman29's idea, although good, isn't something we're looking at. We plan to punish those that don't submit harder and harder as the seasons go by, not give them another chance of a win later on.

[ILuckyGuyI]

If I'm not mistaken I have won this round mathematically. It has been an enjoyable matchup so far, famososMuertos. 

Our answers were nearly the same on the F1 question except one driver. Norris - Alonso were going to determine the winner and it was a really great performance by Norris. However I must admit that I was worried about it also. Because we are talking about a champion like Alonso. He is the one who carries Aston Martin on his shoulders these days.

You were so close to predict the 6th question though. England did no help on the score.

[cryptofrka]

We have to wait for Italy's friendly and March Madness to finish, so the results will be in tomorrow.
Freebet winners will be announced then as well, and those freebets will be credited the Monday after this one - so not next week.

The questions for Round 4 are here!

The deadline is the usual one, Tuesday March 26th, 18:00 GMT.

Round 4 - Scheduling

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Division 1 darxiaomi vs buwaytress mv1986 vs leea-1334 Slissy vs chi20 mitchr4 vs cls63 notblox1 vs vd309 jayce vs casperBGD Harkorede vs strongkored slackovic vs Trofo	Division 2 Saint-loup vs jeremypwr LTU_btc vs imarios Igebotz vs arallmuus Renato297 vs vivekdkhyani Jinetics1111 vs ralle14 cryptofrka vs Hhampuz slaman29 vs hakan2217 ulven vs dbshck	Division 3A execijutiere vs entebah BitcoinHunt3r vs Omikifuse yassinmanai vs Kara.aa1 B1g4udge vs navidart Rikafip vs CharafChenina Dittoup vs Kokee44	Division 3B PedroCunhaYori vs famososMuertos LFC_Bitcoin vs ILuckyGuyI goodpunt vs Woodie Patikno vs Spack17 shogun47 vs MAAManda bullrun2020bro vs Placeholder B

Tagging all participants, good luck!

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[Slissy]

i did read through the questions quickly and looked at question no 7 where the match was mentioned, Atletico (vs Villarreal) this match will be played on Monday April 1st.. Will this match still count?

[cryptofrka]

i did read through the questions quickly and looked at question no 7 where the match was mentioned, Atletico (vs Villarreal) this match will be played on Monday April 1st.. Will this match still count?

Shit, of course not. Give me a second.