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[JollyGood]

It is a difficult question to answer but have you decided what will you do with the DAI? How much time will you allow for the Whirlwind representative to get in contact with you to have the funds sent to a destination of their choosing? If they do not get in contact with you what happens to the escrow funds?

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

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[dkbit98]

I wish! This means the "hit by a bus scenario" didn't happen. The funds were moved in 8 transactions, to 11 different addresses. One of those sent the funds to a different address again.
I noticed all 8 transactions used round fees. That's interesting, that means someone manually entered the fee. Before WWM disappeared, the last automated transactions had fees based sats/vbyte instead of round numbers. Now they used 15,000 to 75,000 sats transaction fee.

At least now we know for sure they are alive
Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?
I am sure they are going to use different methods to try and hide final destination of coins, but I don't think they are going to use centralized exchanges.

[LoyceV]

Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?

How? The coins moved to brand new Bitcoin addresses. There's nothing to link them to.

[stompix]

I wish! This means the "hit by a bus scenario" didn't happen.

Or maybe the hit wasn't fatal?
Just a bit of coma and now back home from hospital?

But let' be realists here, even if the guy truly had a problem, either an accident, a trip to jail on some other thing, kidnaped or forced conscription, right now it makes no sense for him to come and "clean" his image even if he is indeed innocent, nobody will ever believe him even if true, we all know it he knows it, what's done is done and that's the end of this, the service will never be able to gain any reputation or trust anymore no matter what.

I am sure they are going to use different methods to try and hide final destination of coins, but I don't think they are going to use centralized exchanges.

Mixing? But why would they even plan on using an exchange, CEX or DEX, they had coins in the first place and they didn't seem to be needing $, probably they will start a new mixer, that is if they haven't done so already.

[fillippone]

Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?

How? The coins moved to brand new Bitcoin addresses. There's nothing to link them to.

In the past, even the most sophisticated scammer have made errors, even after multiple coinjoin runs, and got caught.
The size of the theft was bigger thou, so it was the willingness of the entity doing blockchain analysis.
I am not a fan of the on-chain heuristic, but blockchain footprints are immutable and available to be analysed with newer techniques for eternity.
Never say never.

[minerjones]

It is a difficult question to answer but have you decided what will you do with the DAI? How much time will you allow for the Whirlwind representative to get in contact with you to have the funds sent to a destination of their choosing? If they do not get in contact with you what happens to the escrow funds?

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?

[JollyGood]

I might be missing something here. If they have willingly moved the funds from the Bitcoin wallet or whether it was hacked, how does that affect your decision to deny them their DAI (escrow) funds? I suppose the only reason would be if you thought they were not controlling the funds in the BTC wallet therefore you would fear sending the DAI to someone pretending to be from Whirlwind but was in fact someone else.

I am not advocating for it to be kept or returned if they asked for it but correct me if I am wrong, if signature campaign participants received their funds and their clearnet and onion websites are down (therefore there can be no new victims can be created), why would you refuse to return their money if they got in contact to ask for it?

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?

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As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?

If possible, an explanation to better understand the escrow service. Is there a time limit and how does it affect the fee that you charge as an escrow for this service? Is the fee higher after a certain period? Or is it fixed regardless of the duration, whether it is one month or two years?

I might be missing something here. If they have willingly moved the funds from the Bitcoin wallet or whether it was hacked, how does that affect your decision to deny them their DAI (escrow) funds? I suppose the only reason would be if you thought they were not controlling the funds in the BTC wallet therefore you would fear sending the DAI to someone pretending to be from Whirlwind but was in fact someone else.

Probably, in this case, the only option is to return the remaining DAI to the address from which it was sent to escrow.

[LoyceV]

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

How is that related?

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?

The escrowed amount was meant to prevent losses. Since the website is gone, new losses won't occur. As far as I know all valid claims are paid. I'd say returning^* the funds (when requested) is the right thing to do (after a 7 day delay, as agreed upon earlier).

How would you know they still control the keys for DAI address that sent coins to minerjones?

^* I didn't mean return to the sending address.

[dkbit98]

The escrowed amount was meant to prevent losses. Since the website is gone, new losses won't occur. As far as I know all valid claims are paid. I'd say returning the funds (when requested) is the right thing to do (after a 7 day delay, as agreed upon earlier).

How would you know they still control the keys for DAI address that sent coins to minerjones?
We know they broke their word before when they said they will return to forum, but they never returned to explain anything, so we still don't know what really happened.
Not active since July, and all we know is that BTC address is active again.

[Synchronice]

@Synchronice,

Other mixers may be very willing to work with "bad money" and not think twice or have connection to states like NK (even if unconfirmed). So that's why and how they succeed. Judging by the number of refunds we issued with the help of minerjones it was basically only the signature participants who had funds on whirlwind.

As it seems, Hhampuz was right.

Sinbad.io (Sinbad), a virtual currency mixer that serves as a key money-laundering tool of the OFAC-designated Lazarus Group, a state-sponsored cyber hacking group of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

But I still have a question. How effective really was signature campaign for whirlwind? Also, when was sinbad.io website as a fully functional mixing service created? Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

[hugeblack]

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?

So far, there is no accusation that they are an illegal service. I do not know what the laws are in your country, but in many countries you will receive a percentage of 1% to 5% of the security funds every year, and therefore whenever they return, you will deduct your percentage and transfer the rest to them.
The problem would be if they were seized or the mixing services were deemed illegal.

Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

There is no relationship. If Sinbad's design aims to launder money, they are successful from the first moment, and any money that comes from the clients enhances their ability to hide their identity, other than being a mixer with limited resources, which I actually believe they are.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

But I still have a question. How effective really was signature campaign for whirlwind? Also, when was sinbad.io website as a fully functional mixing service created? Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

If signature campaigns didn't work, then trust me they wouldn't have splashed all that amount of money here in the forum trying to advertise the mixers. I think it also comes to strategy.

Another thing I kept thinking about is that once a mix would get seized or voluntarily shutdown like it was the case with Bitblender because they sensed some danger, I have a feeling they would come back under a different name and brand and knew exactly what to do or where to get customers from.

I think Sinbad will launch as a new mixer some day, since the Feds didn't seize those Bitcoins.

[minerjones]

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

How is that related?

I guess they are not... I was under the assumption that since the BTC funds moved, this was considered a nefarious action on part of WW

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left.
Maye let the community that was affected decide?
The escrowed amount was meant to prevent losses. Since the website is gone, new losses won't occur. As far as I know all valid claims are paid. I'd say returning^* the funds (when requested) is the right thing to do (after a 7 day delay, as agreed upon earlier).

Yes, agree with that.

[sam00]

If signature campaigns didn't work, then trust me they wouldn't have splashed all that amount of money here in the forum trying to advertise the mixers. I think it also comes to strategy.

It takes a lot of time to build trust in such a service so they knew they would be making or loss on the signature campaign spendings until they build a customership.