Without money, does it still qualify as gambling?

[Jody.Drummer]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.

Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.

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[delfastTions]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.

Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.

I agree with this argument of yours.  It is absolutely true that in life we ​​really do periodically meet such people who have really exorbitantly large ego.  
And to assert their dominance, they sometimes even commit very unseemly actions.  In particular, even if you play some kind of game that cannot be called gambling, and which are discussed in this topic, with such a person, then if he wins, then for him it may even be more important than the money he won in any  gambling.  Such an egoist immediately gains self-conceit because he is once again convinced of his dominance over other people, and naturally over those who played with him.  
To be honest, it is very unpleasant for me to play any games of chance and games that are not related to gambling (as it is understood here in the texts of your posts by all of us) with such a person.  
Because if he wins, he will become proud, and if he loses, he will treat you badly and wary.

[Blitzboy]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

That is just what makes the game interesting, money, when there is money in a game things will always be more interesting, exciting and fair, because most players like bets, age does not matter, because being risking that is something it makes them feel more alive, that's why games of chance are called that, because they have money associated with them.

I have played some games without betting money, but just playing for the sake of playing and you can also have fun just because things are not as good as when they are done with money, because that way if it attracts attention and all the time it will be about if you win or lost money. The emotions of gambling with bets and everything that has to do with bets is better with money, otherwise it is child's play.

The thrill of wagering, particularly on a game, evokes a distinct kind of memory of times past. Its almost like we're back in the playground, betting on which toy would win. Money has simply taken the place of playthings. The excitement is largely the same, however, so it makes sense.

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.

[Jody.Drummer]

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The thrill of wagering, particularly on a game, evokes a distinct kind of memory of times past. Its almost like we're back in the playground, betting on which toy would win. Money has simply taken the place of playthings. The excitement is largely the same, however, so it makes sense.

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.

Not every positive experience has to have a monetary reward is a good point. If we go back to the idea that everything has to be monetized, then we will never experience pleasure. I liken it to when we are on vacation for example, we will spend money and it will give us a reciprocal pleasure that we will not be able to feel in other things. Likewise with gambling, maybe some people will say it's just wasting money, but for those of us who seek pleasure in gambling it is a form of entertainment that we don't get in other things.

[knowngunman]

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.

In your last statement in which I bold caught my attention. There's a slight difference between gaming and gambling thou people use it interchangeably and synonymously without regarding their differences. Gaming is for entertainment while gambling has to do with expecting something in return. Of course, there's a consequences attached to both with different class of damage associated with each. For the former is emotional damage while the latter is faced with financial and emotional damage.

OP, once there's reward it's gambling.

[slapper]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.

Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.

I agree with this argument of yours.  It is absolutely true that in life we ​​really do periodically meet such people who have really exorbitantly large ego.  
And to assert their dominance, they sometimes even commit very unseemly actions.  In particular, even if you play some kind of game that cannot be called gambling, and which are discussed in this topic, with such a person, then if he wins, then for him it may even be more important than the money he won in any  gambling.  Such an egoist immediately gains self-conceit because he is once again convinced of his dominance over other people, and naturally over those who played with him.  
To be honest, it is very unpleasant for me to play any games of chance and games that are not related to gambling (as it is understood here in the texts of your posts by all of us) with such a person.  
Because if he wins, he will become proud, and if he loses, he will treat you badly and wary.

Hey man, I get it. You make a good case for how gaming is so centred on individualism. For other people, winning isn't about the excitement of competition or the prospect of material gain; it's about bolstering an already inflated sense of self-importance. Regarding the sour aftertaste, you make an excellent point. When someone joins a game with no other goal than to prove themselves superior, it defeats the purpose of the activity, doesn't it? And you're right. Whether they succeed or fail, you'll still have to deal with the aftermath of their ego trip. But you shouldn't let them ruin the fun for you. Don't let their disrespect stop you from playing the games you love. Don't forget that the point is to have fun

[EarnOnVictor]

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The thrill of wagering, particularly on a game, evokes a distinct kind of memory of times past. Its almost like we're back in the playground, betting on which toy would win. Money has simply taken the place of playthings. The excitement is largely the same, however, so it makes sense.

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.

Not every positive experience has to have a monetary reward is a good point. If we go back to the idea that everything has to be monetized, then we will never experience pleasure. I liken it to when we are on vacation for example, we will spend money and it will give us a reciprocal pleasure that we will not be able to feel in other things. Likewise with gambling, maybe some people will say it's just wasting money, but for those of us who seek pleasure in gambling it is a form of entertainment that we don't get in other things.

I like the concluding part, some of us gamble for fun, and it's not always about movies as movies and other entertaining means boring someone at times. I never read of gambling as fun in the forum when I discuss this last year, anyone could gamble for their peculiar reasons, but no matter the reasons we are doing it, let's use our brains and moderate everything. Someone like me that gamble for fun uses a little amount of money for it.

I will again like to also support you that fun might not be linked to money, but still, in that case, note that gambling is no more involved, you are just having fun with what you love doing.

[Eternad]

I like the concluding part, some of us gamble for fun, and it's not always about movies as movies and other entertaining means boring someone at times. I never read of gambling as fun in the forum when I discuss this last year, anyone could gamble for their peculiar reasons, but no matter the reasons we are doing it, let's use our brains and moderate everything. Someone like me that gamble for fun uses a little amount of money for it.

I will again like to also support you that fun might not be linked to money, but still, in that case, note that gambling is no more involved, you are just having fun with what you love doing.

The only problem on using small money is you will be limited to play games that has a low minimum bet amount or you might get bored long term if your balance is just progressing by cents while spending a lot of time on gambling. Casino games has demo version which I will rather use if I want try casino games instead of using small amount of money just to have low risk game.

For me, Risk is what makes gambling exciting and different to the normal games without money involved. It very hard to enjoy gambling using very small amount of money. By small amount means a profit that is just a penny.

[STT]

Gambling is still entertainment, for 99% of people it should remain classed as a leisure activity and allocated that amount of money.   I dont believe its good advice to start confusing people saying you can earn or make money from gambling, you get some winnings back and that is really nice as a bonus but never expect to 'earn'.
   Almost nobody can do this profitable gain as if its a job thats dream fodder, love the story but dont believe it.   To provide a game to play there has to be a fee and everyone will charge some cost to the game, a government running a large national lottery is doing it as a form of voluntary tax despite the big prizes they are making regular money from it and overall it costs people to play.   Stay realistic and you will stay happy, dreams are dangerous.
   Gambling is a natural risk related activity, every human has some relation to gambles they must take monetary or non-monetary to me its all risk vs reward imo.

[Jody.Drummer]

Not every positive experience has to have a monetary reward is a good point. If we go back to the idea that everything has to be monetized, then we will never experience pleasure. I liken it to when we are on vacation for example, we will spend money and it will give us a reciprocal pleasure that we will not be able to feel in other things. Likewise with gambling, maybe some people will say it's just wasting money, but for those of us who seek pleasure in gambling it is a form of entertainment that we don't get in other things.

I like the concluding part, some of us gamble for fun, and it's not always about movies as movies and other entertaining means boring someone at times. I never read of gambling as fun in the forum when I discuss this last year, anyone could gamble for their peculiar reasons, but no matter the reasons we are doing it, let's use our brains and moderate everything. Someone like me that gamble for fun uses a little amount of money for it.

I will again like to also support you that fun might not be linked to money, but still, in that case, note that gambling is no more involved, you are just having fun with what you love doing.

Everyone has their reasons for gambling, I wouldn't fault them for it as it's their right, but keep it within limits. Also everyone has their own way of making themselves happy internally, and I think gambling for some people is to fulfill their pleasure internally.
Yes you are right, maybe some people will be satisfied with just watching a movie, and for some others may prefer to go out for a walk, and there are also those who just rest at home to fulfill their need for pleasure because they are too busy working outside the home.
It's all about how people enjoy it.

[lionheart78]

Gambling is still entertainment, for 99% of people it should remain classed as a leisure activity and allocated that amount of money.   I dont believe its good advice to start confusing people saying you can earn or make money from gambling, you get some winnings back and that is really nice as a bonus but never expect to 'earn'.

Well if you analyze the composition of gambling and the possible result it can bring, there is no lie in telling that in gambling there is really and opportunity to earn but the question is the percentage of the possibility.  Winning on gambling is one of the evidence that there is actually a potential no matter how low or high it is.

The problem lies when an individual look at it as an stable source of income.  Individual must not consider gambling as a stable source of income because we all know that gambling result is often times random and most likely an individual's gambling session will end up in a lose especially when a player failed to implement bankroll management.

  Almost nobody can do this profitable gain as if its a job thats dream fodder, love the story but dont believe it.   To provide a game to play there has to be a fee and everyone will charge some cost to the game, a government running a large national lottery is doing it as a form of voluntary tax despite the big prizes they are making regular money from it and overall it costs people to play.   Stay realistic and you will stay happy, dreams are dangerous.
   Gambling is a natural risk related activity, every human has some relation to gambles they must take monetary or non-monetary to me its all risk vs reward imo.

I highly agree that only a few individuals manage to get a significant amount on gambling.  Just by looking at the lottery ratio of winners and losers, it is enough to support our belief.

For me, Risk is what makes gambling exciting and different to the normal games without money involved. It very hard to enjoy gambling using very small amount of money. By small amount means a profit that is just a penny.

In my part, I also think that the risk  really makes the game exciting while the reward is the reason why it is enticing.  So gambling without risking anything to lose is just a game of chance.

[khaled0111]

In your last statement in which I bold caught my attention. There's a slight difference between gaming and gambling thou people use it interchangeably and synonymously without regarding their differences. Gaming is for entertainment while gambling has to do with expecting something in return. Of course, there's a consequences attached to both with different class of damage associated with each. For the former is emotional damage while the latter is faced with financial and emotional damage.

You nailed it right. There is a difference between online games and gambling. I think this is why there are many different opinions although the answer to OP's question is simple: if you won't lose money or any thing valuable(aside from your pride) then it doesn't qualify as gambling. It's as simple as that.
But I don't agree with you latest statement. Gambling is not about the reward but rather about what's on stake.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

In your last statement in which I bold caught my attention. There's a slight difference between gaming and gambling thou people use it interchangeably and synonymously without regarding their differences. Gaming is for entertainment while gambling has to do with expecting something in return. Of course, there's a consequences attached to both with different class of damage associated with each. For the former is emotional damage while the latter is faced with financial and emotional damage.

You nailed it right. There is a difference between online games and gambling. I think this is why there are many different opinions although the answer to OP's question is simple: if you won't lose money or any thing valuable(aside from your pride) then it doesn't qualify as gambling. It's as simple as that.
But I don't agree with you latest statement. Gambling is not about the reward but rather about what's on stake.

I initially was of the opinion that, playing any game against some one  else where you stand a chance of either winning or losing, can be considered as gambling, but then, after reading a lot of comments here, and the thinking critically about it, I've also come to agree that, for playing a game to qualify ad gambling, the player or players have to have some thing valuable (aside reputation) at stake, could be money, could be valuable items, some people bet their wristwatches, some bet their phone, some even go the extreme as betting their car, though I do not recommend anybody try such as betting valuable items as described above, but betting any of those including money, is indeed what qualifies playing a game to be gambling.

[Betwrong]

~ I don' agree with your opinion, we should take the reference as the basis for this topic, based on the Oxford Dictionary, it says that Gambling is "The activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes".

So it means that, all activities which allow us to earn money by playing like guessing scores or guessing anything is an activity with the opportunity to earn money, so it means that it's still gambling, even if it's without money (for this case is Superpicks.com) or capital at all or playing for free on that site.

I'm actually not sure about this. If you look further into the same Oxford Dictionary you can see that to gamble is "to risk money on a card game, horse race, etc." I think this is very important part here, "to risk money". In this thread we heave agreed on that by "money" we mean anything of value, but if you put nothing of value at risk, it's not gambling.

[delfastTions]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.

Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.

I agree with this argument of yours.  It is absolutely true that in life we ​​really do periodically meet such people who have really exorbitantly large ego.  
And to assert their dominance, they sometimes even commit very unseemly actions.  In particular, even if you play some kind of game that cannot be called gambling, and which are discussed in this topic, with such a person, then if he wins, then for him it may even be more important than the money he won in any  gambling.  Such an egoist immediately gains self-conceit because he is once again convinced of his dominance over other people, and naturally over those who played with him.  
To be honest, it is very unpleasant for me to play any games of chance and games that are not related to gambling (as it is understood here in the texts of your posts by all of us) with such a person.  
Because if he wins, he will become proud, and if he loses, he will treat you badly and wary.

Hey man, I get it. You make a good case for how gaming is so centred on individualism. For other people, winning isn't about the excitement of competition or the prospect of material gain; it's about bolstering an already inflated sense of self-importance. Regarding the sour aftertaste, you make an excellent point. When someone joins a game with no other goal than to prove themselves superior, it defeats the purpose of the activity, doesn't it? And you're right. Whether they succeed or fail, you'll still have to deal with the aftermath of their ego trip. But you shouldn't let them ruin the fun for you. Don't let their disrespect stop you from playing the games you love. Don't forget that the point is to have fun

However, it is far from always possible to relax and enjoy playing with a person who imagines himself to be a great player, who can beat you in general as easy as shelling pears.  You yourself need to show enough restraint and willlower so as not to send such a person to hell and quarrel with him.  By the way, not all people can behave this way.  And for women in such a situation, as I think, it is also quite difficult.  The domination of some one person, I must say, just gets bored in life and I don’t want to communicate with him a lot.  And unfortunately sometimes you have to.  For example, if such a person is your relative or boss.  It is especially unpleasant when you are clearly dependant on his decisions.  If you lost the game once, such a person has absolutely no desire to continue playing with him.  Such a game does not bring joy and fun.

[Youngkhngdiddy]

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

According to Britannca definition, gambling is said to be  the betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain, on the outcome of a game, a contest, or an uncertain event whose result may be determined by chance or accident or have an unexpected result by reason of the bettor's miscalculation.
 Therefore whether it involves staking money or not so far it requires you to make predictions about an event then it's also considered as gambling however apart from online casino, money is not the only requirement for staking on games or events, in rural areas most people who play draft stake their valuable items over who would win the game.

[Rabata]

Gambling is still entertainment, for 99% of people it should remain classed as a leisure activity and allocated that amount of money.   I dont believe its good advice to start confusing people saying you can earn or make money from gambling, you get some winnings back and that is really nice as a bonus but never expect to 'earn'.

This is eternally true but most gamblers consider it as their source of income or an opportunity to earn more money which they should never think because gambling can never guarantee a win. So from the beginning gamblers should have proper concept before gambling. Every gambler should know that this is not a source of income. No one can earn regular money from gambling. But sometimes winning in gambling can be considered as a bonus.

[letteredhub]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

That is just what makes the game interesting, money, when there is money in a game things will always be more interesting, exciting and fair, because most players like bets, age does not matter, because being risking that is something it makes them feel more alive, that's why games of chance are called that, because they have money associated with them.

I have played some games without betting money, but just playing for the sake of playing and you can also have fun just because things are not as good as when they are done with money, because that way if it attracts attention and all the time it will be about if you win or lost money. The emotions of gambling with bets and everything that has to do with bets is better with money, otherwise it is child's play.

You're right, gambling does makes a lot of sense when money is involved the seriousness of everyone increases and it's that seriousness that brings about the enjoyable fun among the bettors. When a bettor remembers how much is at stake to lose, the weight of interest in the game is maintained with seriousness unlike when nothing is attached if you lose or win it doesn't matter to you as a gambler which can quell fun

[topbitcoin]

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

That is just what makes the game interesting, money, when there is money in a game things will always be more interesting, exciting and fair, because most players like bets, age does not matter, because being risking that is something it makes them feel more alive, that's why games of chance are called that, because they have money associated with them.

I have played some games without betting money, but just playing for the sake of playing and you can also have fun just because things are not as good as when they are done with money, because that way if it attracts attention and all the time it will be about if you win or lost money. The emotions of gambling with bets and everything that has to do with bets is better with money, otherwise it is child's play.

Actually not only money, previously already mentioned by Joddy, but the item can be a betting tool, or other things that are considered both parties or (certain objects) valuable then it can be mentioned betting, and there indeed makes the atmosphere become Tense and fun because we have something valuable as a gamble tool and that also makes the betting more interesting.
Maybe for example again when two men fighting over women, and both compete in a game, or choose a team that will compete in the field is also included in the gambling scope.
Money is not the only one that makes the betting can be called gambling, the fact is there are still many tools to be used as a base or gambling.

[maydna]

Gambling is still entertainment, for 99% of people it should remain classed as a leisure activity and allocated that amount of money.   I dont believe its good advice to start confusing people saying you can earn or make money from gambling, you get some winnings back and that is really nice as a bonus but never expect to 'earn'.

This is eternally true but most gamblers consider it as their source of income or an opportunity to earn more money which they should never think because gambling can never guarantee a win. So from the beginning gamblers should have proper concept before gambling. Every gambler should know that this is not a source of income. No one can earn regular money from gambling. But sometimes winning in gambling can be considered as a bonus.

They should be prepared to be disappointed if they consider gambling a source of income because that is not the scenario. Gambling is only for entertainment and pleasure, so people do not need to take gambling seriously, where they will bet large amounts of money. Meanwhile, they don't know when they can make money but instead get a lot of losses. They should think of their victory as a bonus for good luck coming their way at the right time, but they can't expect luck to come more often.