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Author Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season  (Read 131649 times)
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June 30, 2023, 06:50:48 PM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.

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June 30, 2023, 07:38:11 PM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.

I see it more, that the Champions League does not only require the depth of the squad that has the possession of a club that participates in competition. City, in the last few seasons, has always been the favorite team. because after all, they have quite a depth of players. plus, a coach whose capacity is not to be doubted.
IMO, unfortunately in this competition luck plays an important role for each contestant. also, mental as a champion. therefore, Madrid has proven to have that mentality the most. City, slipped not because their game was bad. however, more on non-technical factors such as luck that was not on their side. as for the failures that happened to them before, whether it was because one of the players was underperforming or other factors.

Likewise Inter, they are not even included in the favorite team.  however, luck was very big on them and got to the final round, regardless of the performance of the players during their matches in the Champions League.

Well, next season. City remains the favorite again as one of the strong candidates. yep, they have player depth. plus, awesome coach. the system that Pep is implementing at the moment, makes the City squad seem to be a team that is quite feared by their opponents. it's just, will they still be lucky and defend their title in the next season. the answer is, we don't know. let's just wait, how this League has been rolled back and we will know the description of the team that will advance phase by phase and become a finalist.
By the way, as an Arsenal fan, I really hope that the Gunners are able to give a surprise even though the chance they have is not as big as City, or other top teams.

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June 30, 2023, 08:28:58 PM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
One area that Guardiola has developed himself is his relationship with his players. He has learned to relate with his player more harmoniously which has led to the loyalty of most of the players. The coach has always had the best players which was the reason why they dominated the English premier league. But the champions league eluded them for a long time until they got it last season. PSG is at the same level as Manchester City was last season. But City was fortunate to win the trophy but PSG is still waiting to lift the trophy. I wonder what would have been the fate of Guardiola, if City had lost the Champions League, maybe he would have been sacked.

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June 30, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
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Before window transfer is close, Manchester City has many chance for signing new player actually supported with much money and easy for Pep Guardiola filling hole position leaving by Gundogan and try to defend Champion League tittle for next season.
Money is one of the factors why Manchester City is quite successful in the transfer market but that's not the only factor, another factor that makes them successful in bringing in players and these players being successful in developing at City is the foresight of the manager to assess players who can really a mainstay in their squad, after several key players were about to leave City they were able to quickly replace the vacated spot with players who were younger and also of the same quality.
Manchester City doesn't seem to want to let go of any title they won last season, so with big money they are trying to achieve their target later.
Manchester city success is first because of money. No club develops from an average to a top class club without money. Money to buy quality players, money to hire a high profile coach. The success of Manchester City cannot be narrated without mentioning Guardiola. Assuming Manchester City had the money to spend and did not get the right manager, it would still be a problem for them.
Last season, Newcastle entered the journey of being a prominent club and we have seen the success do far. If they continue with this pace. In the next few seasons they will be great.

I would not say that Manchester City's success is only due to money. Manchester City's great results are possible due to the hard work of their managers and coaches. Because we saw the PSG team. They have a lot of money. The club has also spent a lot of money. However, their performance is poor. There are also a number of rich clubs that have a lot of money. But even so, their performance has been quite poor compared to Manchester City in the last few seasons. Of course, money is needed to build a strong team. But success is not possible only with money.

The performance of Manchester City in the previous Champions League we saw was not good at all and sometimes there were very much unlucky, however, one reason to say they had a good performance was because of their coach Guardiola and that's why they won the champions league title in the last season for the first time, however Spending money to hiring players like Haaland helped Guardiola and his teams a lot to earn this achievement.


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June 30, 2023, 09:16:16 PM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.

100% true. Many praise Guardiola, but forget that he had the Barcelona of the golden generation of Spain, then Bayern of Jupe Heykens (which made the treble and terrified everyone), then City with the best players in the world and their endless rotation. Yes, he is good, but against the background of the opportunities that he had, the results are quite ordinary or even modest.

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June 30, 2023, 10:33:58 PM
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Madrid don't have bad players at the moment, but perhaps Mbappe could improve their game... Although I agree that they won't spend a lot of money on Mbappe... After all Real Madrid is a Royal club where any player would want to play, so they make the rules, not the player chooses to play for them...
Overall, there are no bad players in Madrid, in the sense that it is impossible for a club as big as Real Madrid to buy players of normal quality. I think, Madrid in the transfer market is also actively hunting for new players to build a squad for next season, after the departure of several players such as Benzema, Hazard, Asensio and Mariano Diaz. For Mbappe, it seems that Ancelotti is not interested in recruiting him, even though he has often been linked with Madrid a few seasons ago. It seems that the very expensive price and the complicated negotiation process made El Real's management discourage it from landing Mbappe in Madrid.

I think they were genius not to sign him, because Madrid could have used their money to sign two or three other players instead of signing Mbappe alone. Indeed, in terms of quality, Mbappe was very good when he was with PSG, but that is not necessarily a guarantee if he plays for Madrid. We can see Eden Hazard, who was bought from Chelsea at a high price but failed to adapt and ultimately did not live up to expectations when he was with Madrid.
Fiorentino Perez is one Football administrator who would do anything possible to get any player that he deems good enough to be a Real Madrid. He has been monitoring Kylian Mbappe from his days at Monaco before Paris Saint Germaine signed him and last summer transfer window, he almost brought Mbappe to to the Santiago Bernabeu before PSG owner hijacked the deal.
There's not been a serious news about the possibility of Mbappe joining Real Madrid this summer despite the rumour that Real Madrid is trying so hard to get him to their club. If Real Madrid goes on to close the deal and bring Mbappe to the Spanish capital, then Real Madrid would sure be a team to beat in next season's UEFA Champions League competition

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June 30, 2023, 10:35:52 PM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
When Pep came to Manchester City, of course, Manchester City was not a strong team in the Champions League, so it was only natural that Pep had to take a long time to win the first trophy UCL with Manchester City. I think even so his work in handling Manchester City is quite good and we should appreciate his work in building the squad to make them the best team in the world. It's only a matter of time and it's a normal thing that in the end he succeeds and amazes people with the way he works. And at the same time everyone always says that Manchester City can take advantage of the unstable situation of its rival team. Even though it is purely seen that the depth quality of their squad for now is a strong team without having to take advantage of the weakness or decreased performance of other teams either is it Real Madrid or any other team. Last season was Manchester City season and everyone can believe it.

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June 30, 2023, 11:17:53 PM
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100% true. Many praise Guardiola, but forget that he had the Barcelona of the golden generation of Spain, then Bayern of Jupe Heykens (which made the treble and terrified everyone), then City with the best players in the world and their endless rotation. Yes, he is good, but against the background of the opportunities that he had, the results are quite ordinary or even modest.
I absolutely disagree. If about Barcelona, which was Guardiola's first coaching experience, as well as Bayern, which has been the absolute leader of German football for many years, we can still somehow downplay the influence of Pep on the formation of the team, then this cannot be said about Manchester City. It is no exaggeration to say that it was Guardiola who made a relatively ordinary club, which Manchester City was before, first the undisputed leader of English football, and now European and world football. I am also not very enthusiastic about clubs that buy up the best players and become leaders thanks to this, but Manchester City is still a coaching team and here you can see the hand and style of the master of his craft, which Guardiola has already become.
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If there is one coach I won't argue for his player choice it would be guardiola, the man knows exactly what he needs in a player and utilizes these players to their very best. Kovacic in mere comparation doesn't match gundogan but I still can't wait to see him perform because I believe with guardiola as his coach now he definitely play much better than he is currently rated.
You are right, Guardiola knows exactly how to use a player. At the start of last season, we saw Manchester City become heavily reliant on Haaland. However, by the end of the season, this dependence had completely subsided. Gundogan was certainly a very important player in Manchester City's squad. However, since Guardiola is City's coach, he will be able to find a suitable replacement for Gundogan. Guardiola is very experienced. And he knows well which players are suitable to stabilize his squad.

Pep Guardiola generally plans ahead. He is a coach that does not take a step which he did not think two steps ahead in the future. So of course he knows what he’s doing. I know some players are trying to leave Manchester City and that's because Manchester City is currently one of the best teams/clubs in the world if not the best. So a lot of players are realizing that the performance they are going to put on are not going to be enough for Manchester City.

Manchester City is also trying to get some young players into the team. So some old players are moving away from Manchester City. But I believe Guardiola will be able to take the right steps that are necessary for the success of Manchester City.

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July 01, 2023, 01:27:25 AM
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I absolutely disagree. If about Barcelona, which was Guardiola's first coaching experience, as well as Bayern, which has been the absolute leader of German football for many years, we can still somehow downplay the influence of Pep on the formation of the team
I disagree with you. Guardiola actually upgrade a traditional tactics in Barcelona since Sir. Johan Cruyff to a famous tiki-taka which dominated football from European clubs to national tournaments like Euro and World Cup. Many clubs and many players who managed by Guardiola now become young coaches and they are expanding the tiki-taka philosophy of Guardiola.

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then this cannot be said about Manchester City. It is no exaggeration to say that it was Guardiola who made a relatively ordinary club, which Manchester City was before, first the undisputed leader of English football, and now European and world football. I am also not very enthusiastic about clubs that buy up the best players and become leaders thanks to this, but Manchester City is still a coaching team and here you can see the hand and style of the master of his craft, which Guardiola has already become.
Guardiola upgraded Manchester City and helped them dominating Premier League in the last six seasons but we must admit that Manchester City were a strong club and won some Premier League before they have Guardiola.

His biggest success is winning a first Champions League for Manchester City history and it comes together with two other titles, so they are treble winners in this season.

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July 01, 2023, 02:45:05 AM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
It was not an easy assignment for Manchester City to win the UEFA Champions League this season and become the current champion. Everyone on the team pooled their resources and minds to make this a reality for them. Indeed, the road to success begins with a single courageous step, and Pep has built the club to become the most elite consistent club in the English Premier League at the moment. Pep Guardiola is a genius, and his presence in the city has introduced huge developing strategies and players. He is the brains behind Manchester City's magnificent achievements; he planned and worked out everything for the club, and he deserves accolades.

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July 01, 2023, 03:50:05 AM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
Guardiola is a very skilled coach and Manchester City is a very strong team. The combination of a skilled coach and a strong team has taken a long time for Manchester City to win the Champions League trophy. If a team like Manchester City has to work so hard, the Champions League trophy is like a dream for other teams. But Guardiola has proven that hard work and focus on one's goals and self-belief make any difficult task easier.  
Guardiola is not the best manager after seeing Manchester City win the Champions League trophy, he is already the best manager because his style of play is completely different.

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July 01, 2023, 06:46:04 AM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
Guardiola is a very skilled coach and Manchester City is a very strong team. The combination of a skilled coach and a strong team has taken a long time for Manchester City to win the Champions League trophy. If a team like Manchester City has to work so hard, the Champions League trophy is like a dream for other teams. But Guardiola has proven that hard work and focus on one's goals and self-belief make any difficult task easier.  
Guardiola is not the best manager after seeing Manchester City win the Champions League trophy, he is already the best manager because his style of play is completely different.
I don't agree if you say Guardiola is not the best manager, previously he had won many trophies with Barcelona in various competitions which made him win his first treble as a manager. His success continued throughout his career in the Bundesliga, with Bayern Munich he was also able to prove his quality.
After successfully bringing Manchester City to the first treble in the history of the club, Guardiola became a coach who was able to win 2x trebles, Guardiola success in winning 2x trebles may be difficult for other coaches to achieve for the next few seasons. Manchester City is trying to maintain the success that has just been achieved, they are trying to add strength to their squad to face the challenges next season.

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July 01, 2023, 07:11:23 AM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.

100% true. Many praise Guardiola, but forget that he had the Barcelona of the golden generation of Spain, then Bayern of Jupe Heykens (which made the treble and terrified everyone), then City with the best players in the world and their endless rotation. Yes, he is good, but against the background of the opportunities that he had, the results are quite ordinary or even modest.
Pep Guardiola's achievement is indeed like destiny and the talent of the players he has are all purely because of his greatness at his peak. So actually Pep Guardiola is more like a successor than the previous coach who had built the main squad since the beginning of the revival. Guardiola only needs to polish it a little and with his genius he is able to maximize this mature talent. So we can conclude that the achievement of the treble winner or being able to win the champion's league is thanks to the previous coaches who raised the team and also because all the players are in their golden age.

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July 01, 2023, 07:58:24 AM
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Pep Guardiola's achievement is indeed like destiny and the talent of the players he has are all purely because of his greatness at his peak. So actually Pep Guardiola is more like a successor than the previous coach who had built the main squad since the beginning of the revival. Guardiola only needs to polish it a little and with his genius he is able to maximize this mature talent. So we can conclude that the achievement of the treble winner or being able to win the champion's league is thanks to the previous coaches who raised the team and also because all the players are in their golden age.
it's been years since Man City couldn't get a treble title and also a champions league trophy and all of that was printed in new history with a spectacular victory thanks to Guardiola's struggles. I admit that Guardiola is a talented coach from the experience of every failure in Guardiola's match. He always remembers these mistakes. Makes a lesson not to repeat them again and set a strategy that can strengthen Man City to get the best place, namely the champions league champion.
so Guardiola always takes his experience to strengthen player solidarity to always be consistent from every season and this year Guardiola's achievements have been very successful with Man City and this will make Guardiola even more enthusiastic about training all Man City players to get the title again in the following season.

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July 01, 2023, 09:13:30 AM
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Real Madrid is re-building their teams in order to perform well in the Champions League next season. Since Manchester City eliminated them, they are attempting to sign new players to replace those who have left. Madrid is attempting to bring Mbappe to the team in order to replace Benzema; if Madrid signs him, they will be stronger than before. We need to sign a new defender to replace Nacho Fernandez because his performance is very poor and he is getting older.
It may happen next year but not for this year. Perez has been clearly stated that if real madrid will not pay price offered by PSG. Madrid is still able waiting for mbappe to leave from PSG with free agent.
You can't hope it to happen now caused by the real madrid president has been confirming it. Football is dynamic but i do believe any words that have been coming from perez.
Madrid will not be wasting a lot of money for a player. There are lots of things that can be done with such money.

Madrid don't have bad players at the moment, but perhaps Mbappe could improve their game... Although I agree that they won't spend a lot of money on Mbappe... After all Real Madrid is a Royal club where any player would want to play, so they make the rules, not the player chooses to play for them...
Taking into consideration the current state of Real Madrid's squad and the possible acquisition of Mbappe, one has to ponder whether it would indeed be an advantageous move. In a club like Real Madrid, an institution known for its illustrious history and high-quality players, the bar is set exceptionally high.

Post the departure of key players such as Benzema, Hazard, Asensio and Diaz, the club is actively scouting for talent. However, lets not forget the expensive price tag and convoluted negotiation process involved in landing Mbappe. His high performance at PSG doesnt automatically guarantee similar success at Madrid - remember Eden Hazard? A seemingly promising purchase, he, unfortunately, fell short of expectations.

Hence, it might be more prudent for Madrid to strategically distribute their resources towards acquiring multiple players rather than staking it all on one high-priced acquisition like Mbappe.

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It is going to be Ancelotti's last year with Real Madrid. Because he has reached an agreement with Brazil to start managing them by next summer. In this last season of his at Real Madrid I'm pretty sure that he would like to do his best for another successful year just as it happened in the 2021/22 season.

But he has a quite difficult task to perform in both big tournaments they compete. While Barcelona are way more competitive in the La Liga, the Champions League has got even more challenging for them as well. Manchester City have finally made their dream come true. They simply destroyed Real Madrid on the way going to the title too.

Real Madrid need to work on their defense and they need to sign a powerful striker for the Champions League. They can again become one of the biggest favourites despite the bookmakers' thoughts.

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July 01, 2023, 09:48:36 AM
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Pep Guardiola's achievement is indeed like destiny and the talent of the players he has are all purely because of his greatness at his peak. So actually Pep Guardiola is more like a successor than the previous coach who had built the main squad since the beginning of the revival. Guardiola only needs to polish it a little and with his genius he is able to maximize this mature talent. So we can conclude that the achievement of the treble winner or being able to win the champion's league is thanks to the previous coaches who raised the team and also because all the players are in their golden age.
it's been years since Man City couldn't get a treble title and also a champions league trophy and all of that was printed in new history with a spectacular victory thanks to Guardiola's struggles. I admit that Guardiola is a talented coach from the experience of every failure in Guardiola's match. He always remembers these mistakes. Makes a lesson not to repeat them again and set a strategy that can strengthen Man City to get the best place, namely the champions league champion.
so Guardiola always takes his experience to strengthen player solidarity to always be consistent from every season and this year Guardiola's achievements have been very successful with Man City and this will make Guardiola even more enthusiastic about training all Man City players to get the title again in the following season.
Yes it's a great achievement from Guardiola, but he also seems to learn from previous failures that made Guardiola learn which ones to improve and which ones to replace, I think that's why Guardiola found a really good squad team so he believes he can get the treble winner last season, because it was his belief that also raised the enthusiasm of the players so they could play with the right strategy to face every opponent.

Manchester city has remained consistent so I am also waiting for the new formation that Guardiola will use next season, of course he understands which ones need to be repaired and also replaced, that is why Guardiola is smart in choosing the players he wants to compete in next season.

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July 01, 2023, 10:39:37 AM
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Well it took Guardiola quite some many years to be able to win the Champions League despite he having one of the best teams in the world when it comes to great players,he always had great names but it took him several years in order to harmonize this team even in European competitions so all kudos to him,for me though any other coach would have won at least once the Champions League with these players in his disposal,just my opinion.I do believe Guardiola to be one of the best coaches out there but I think it took him a lot of time to win a Champions League trophy with all these great players,nevertheless the Champions are never judged so let's see the next upcoming season.
Guardiola is a very skilled coach and Manchester City is a very strong team. The combination of a skilled coach and a strong team has taken a long time for Manchester City to win the Champions League trophy. If a team like Manchester City has to work so hard, the Champions League trophy is like a dream for other teams. But Guardiola has proven that hard work and focus on one's goals and self-belief make any difficult task easier.  
Guardiola is not the best manager after seeing Manchester City win the Champions League trophy, he is already the best manager because his style of play is completely different.
I don't agree if you say Guardiola is not the best manager, previously he had won many trophies with Barcelona in various competitions which made him win his first treble as a manager. His success continued throughout his career in the Bundesliga, with Bayern Munich he was also able to prove his quality.
After successfully bringing Manchester City to the first treble in the history of the club, Guardiola became a coach who was able to win 2x trebles, Guardiola success in winning 2x trebles may be difficult for other coaches to achieve for the next few seasons. Manchester City is trying to maintain the success that has just been achieved, they are trying to add strength to their squad to face the challenges next season.

I said that those who think that Guardiola winning ucl trophy for manchester city is a good coach are wrong because even before he won champions league trophy with manchester city he was an experienced and quite capable coach. There are many who consider Guardiola to be among the best with Manchester City's Champions League trophy. But if he could not win the Champions League trophy this season, would he be an incompetent coach? This is not the case at all.  
As you said he won several trophies for Barcelona. He has also had some notable success with Bayan Munich and has always been a great coach.

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July 01, 2023, 10:51:32 AM
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First of all I would have really liked to see Guardiola managing an average team as well to see his quality better. Because he started his career with Barcelona B team. And the teams they have managed after that are only Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Manchester City. He has been really successful with these teams maybe. But I also agree that even an average manager would become successful with this kind of teams. Maybe he wouldn't be as much as Guardiola but the player quality would still help a lot.

However I must admit a fact that he literally built Manchester City according to his will after coming here. I think this is a very special time period of his career here because of that.

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