UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

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Well Bayern Munich are traditional winners of the league and for this reason, the fans are always having high hopes that they’ll be able to still maintain this stand. Well TT pattern hasn’t really favored the club as on most occasions we’ve see them struggle to get at least a goal. Currently they’re 5 points behind Leverkusen and are hoping Leverkusen suffers at least 2 defeats which to an extent doesn’t look realistic. For the UCL, I’m not seeing them as a strong contender because the team lacks great fluidity.

 You can’t compare Bayern to teams like Real Madrid and Man City this season even though Bayern has got the experience but the current state of their team is nothing to write home about and that’s one reason I don’t see them having any hopes of winning the UCL. TT will have to get his pattern right and maybe then they can have at least the domestic title next season because It’s looking like it’s already gone this season.

I actually see it from a different perspective, Bayern Munich's performance is better and stronger compared to the previous season, but they can't maintain the consistency of their performance, which means they are now behind Leverkusen in the Bundesliga.
And in the UCL I think it will be different, with the strength that Bayern Munich currently has, other teams should take into account or be wary of them in the competition for the UCL title this season.

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[Oluwa-btc]

Well Bayern Munich are traditional winners of the league and for this reason, the fans are always having high hopes that they’ll be able to still maintain this stand. Well TT pattern hasn’t really favored the club as on most occasions we’ve see them struggle to get at least a goal. Currently they’re 5 points behind Leverkusen and are hoping Leverkusen suffers at least 2 defeats which to an extent doesn’t look realistic. For the UCL, I’m not seeing them as a strong contender because the team lacks great fluidity.

 You can’t compare Bayern to teams like Real Madrid and Man City this season even though Bayern has got the experience but the current state of their team is nothing to write home about and that’s one reason I don’t see them having any hopes of winning the UCL. TT will have to get his pattern right and maybe then they can have at least the domestic title next season because It’s looking like it’s already gone this season.

I actually see it from a different perspective, Bayern Munich's performance is better and stronger compared to the previous season, but they can't maintain the consistency of their performance, which means they are now behind Leverkusen in the Bundesliga.
And in the UCL I think it will be different, with the strength that Bayern Munich currently has, other teams should take into account or be wary of them in the competition for the UCL title this season.

Hate to admit it, but they're far from good after they go through with Lazio of which I'm sure they'll knock out they'll not go through the next round.
Thomas Tuchel and his side are not doing well and it's funny to see people saying they still have a good chance of being winners? Form don't lie and it's obviously seen. For them to struggle against Bayern Leverkusen I wonder how they'll do against European sides in the competition.

Like I said yesterday, they're far from top four winners as the game goes. They no longer stand a chance in this tournament. Real Madrid and Manchester City are now leaders.

[rendravolt]

Morata has been injuried, he will probably skip the game with Inter.

Alvaro Morata suffered an injury during a match in the domestic league and it looks like this is quite detrimental for Atletico, who in 10 days will start their Champions League last 16 match against Inter. They have lost the club's top scorer in both the domestic league and the Champions League so far and I think Diego Simione should be able to rotate his players again before the match against Inter starts. This is a challenge that will not be easy considering that the opponent is the top of the Serie A standings and with Inter's current performance it will clearly be quite difficult for Atletico to stop them.

Moreover, this is an away match for Atletico and their chances of winning are probably only slim but at least they can aim for a draw rather than losing. The latest report from Fabrizio Romano, Alvaro Morata will be absent for the next 20 days and of course as you said at the beginning, Alvaro Morata will miss the away game.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1756992472352260214

[Jatiluhung]

The reason of why Tuchel joined Bayern Munich was because of the Champions League. However, I think even Bayern Munich after the bad result they got recently against Leverkusen is surely under pressure and I think that's why Tuchel needs to recover the team and help them to get in a better situation. Because Tuchel can even easily get fired from the team if they lose the Champions League.

Bayern Munich management must expect Tuchel to improve Bayern Munich performance both in Bundesliga and UCL. He shouldn't be hired to win UCL only, Bundesliga is also very important for Bayern Munich. In Bundesliga, Leverkusen is leading with 5 points, the chance to win the trophy is a bit smaller now. But in UCL, Bayern Munich still have the same chance as other teams to win the trophy. Well, Tuchel may focus a bit on UCL, but I think he won't reduce the efforts to catch Leverkusen in Bundesliga table.

I think Tuchel still has a chance to stay in Bayern Munich although he won't win any trophy. It is not easy to get the replacement of a new coach. Tuchel isn't soo badly, but he just can't get the optimum result for Bayern Munich.

In fact, I have the opinion that Bayern actually became stronger this season after Tuchel took over as coach at the club and after Harry Kane came to Bayern this season after leaving Spurs. We can see Bayern appearing more productive this season. The problem is that their defense has not developed as fast as their attack line. So there is an imbalance in this club. So it is natural that Leverkusen managed to score a lot of goals in the match against Bayern.

Tuchel must be retained because it is very difficult to find a coach who can be better than Tuchel. Even though there are, all the great coaches currently are owned by other big clubs, such as Pep, who is already owned by Man City and cannot be released again. Maybe Tuchel is focused on the UCL and I think Bayern will still try to catch Leverkusen in the Bundesliga. although I see that Leverkusen will win the title this season. Because I am very impressed with the club which has not lost at this season in the Bundesliga.

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The reason of why Tuchel joined Bayern Munich was because of the Champions League. However, I think even Bayern Munich after the bad result they got recently against Leverkusen is surely under pressure and I think that's why Tuchel needs to recover the team and help them to get in a better situation. Because Tuchel can even easily get fired from the team if they lose the Champions League.

He wants Bayern Munich to win the UCL, but we all know how important the Bundesliga is. Bundesliga leaders Leverkusen are five points ahead of Bayern, but they're still not out. Under Tuchel, the league has a chance because he can make things better. In the CL, Tuchel's knowledge of strategy could be useful. There is a lot of competition, but Bayern's past of success can't be ignored. I am sure that Tuchel will not put one race ahead of the others. It's likely that his plan will try to make the best of things

[Patrol69]

The reason of why Tuchel joined Bayern Munich was because of the Champions League. However, I think even Bayern Munich after the bad result they got recently against Leverkusen is surely under pressure and I think that's why Tuchel needs to recover the team and help them to get in a better situation. Because Tuchel can even easily get fired from the team if they lose the Champions League.

Bayern Munich management must expect Tuchel to improve Bayern Munich performance both in Bundesliga and UCL. He shouldn't be hired to win UCL only, Bundesliga is also very important for Bayern Munich. In Bundesliga, Leverkusen is leading with 5 points, the chance to win the trophy is a bit smaller now. But in UCL, Bayern Munich still have the same chance as other teams to win the trophy. Well, Tuchel may focus a bit on UCL, but I think he won't reduce the efforts to catch Leverkusen in Bundesliga table.

Leverkusen's consistent performances in the Bundesliga so far certainly make it a tough task for Bayern Munich to win the Bundesliga title. Bayern Munich are trying but they can't close the points gap with Leverkusen. The 5 point gap between the two teams is too much in the way Bayern Munich and Leverkusen are currently competing. Bayan Munich should not only win their next matches but also expect them to win the next matches so that Leverkusen loses against other teams. If Leverkusen loses points against other teams and Bayan Munich regularly gets points, then the points gap between the two teams will narrow.

Tuchel should change his strategy and improve his performance because it is very difficult for this team to do well in the Champions League with this kind of performance.

[TelolettOm]

In fact, I have the opinion that Bayern actually became stronger this season after Tuchel took over as coach at the club and after Harry Kane came to Bayern this season after leaving Spurs. We can see Bayern appearing more productive this season. The problem is that their defense has not developed as fast as their attack line. So there is an imbalance in this club. So it is natural that Leverkusen managed to score a lot of goals in the match against Bayern.

I can agree a bit with this. It is true that Bayern Munich performance looks more stable after Tuchel managed the team. Bayern Munich attackers scored more goals, they become a very productive team in scoring goals. Bayern Munich actually did quite good performance so far, but Leverkusen played better. Yes, Bayern Muncih defense looks not strong enough, Leverkusen could score 3 goals. But Bayern Munich attackers also played under performance, they failed scoring a single goal on the match. So, the problem isn't only on the defense line, other lines also have a problem.

Tuchel must be retained because it is very difficult to find a coach who can be better than Tuchel. Even though there are, all the great coaches currently are owned by other big clubs, such as Pep, who is already owned by Man City and cannot be released again.

Indeed. It won't be easy to find out a replacement with a better quality than Tuchel. Unless Jurgen Klopp will replace Tuchel, I think Bayern Munich must consider to keep Tuchel as the coach for the next season. A top quality coach like Pep Guardiola won't be easily signed because Man City management must deny any offer for Pep Guardiola. They must ensure Per Guardiola to stay a long time there.

Tuchel should change his strategy and improve his performance because it is very difficult for this team to do well in the Champions League with this kind of performance.

Tuchel has tried to improve the performance of Bayern Munich. Sadly, Bayern Munich seems not in their best condition, some players still have a problem to play better. It seems Bayern Munich to sign new players for the next season. It may bring new spirit for the whole team. Bayern Munich players need to play more confident in the match.

[Velvet78]

More stable? I don't think Bayern Munich are more stable since Tuchel started to manage the team. I haven't seen them this much struggling before for winning the Bundesliga title.  

This is good to see for me though considering that I want a different team becoming champions. But if Bayern Munich don't manage to win the Bundesliga title I think Tuchel's seat would be under huge threat. Because it has become like a tradition for Bayern Munich to become champions here. They have an 11-title streak at the moment. This is just enormous you know and they wouldn't like to see Leverkusen putting an end to this.

[Weawant]

Leverkusen's consistent performances in the Bundesliga so far certainly make it a tough task for Bayern Munich to win the Bundesliga title. Bayern Munich are trying but they can't close the points gap with Leverkusen. The 5 point gap between the two teams is too much in the way Bayern Munich and Leverkusen are currently competing. Bayan Munich should not only win their next matches but also expect them to win the next matches so that Leverkusen loses against other teams. If Leverkusen loses points against other teams and Bayan Munich regularly gets points, then the points gap between the two teams will narrow.

Tuchel should change his strategy and improve his performance because it is very difficult for this team to do well in the Champions League with this kind of performance.

Hoping that Leverkusen looses so that Bayern Munich will get ahead of them is something I don't see really happening soon because I'd taught that Bayern will be able to beat Leverkusen but allowing Leverkusen to this victory has made Leverkusen to even have a better confidence as to the fact that they are now dominating the bundesliga.

Bayern Munich would have to hope on luck else they are gradually loosing the competition against Leverkusen as Leverkusen is aiming at two records, to win the bundesliga and to stay unbeaten aswell, which I see as very achievable by them if only they can maintain their form and consistency, Bayern Munich may end up without a trophy this season and that may means that tuchel may loose his job aswell but then I feel they will try their best at the champions league to get a good result from there.

[X-ray]

More stable? I don't think Bayern Munich are more stable since Tuchel started to manage the team. I haven't seen them this much struggling before for winning the Bundesliga title.  

This is good to see for me though considering that I want a different team becoming champions. But if Bayern Munich don't manage to win the Bundesliga title I think Tuchel's seat would be under huge threat. Because it has become like a tradition for Bayern Munich to become champions here. They have an 11-title streak at the moment. This is just enormous you know and they wouldn't like to see Leverkusen putting an end to this.

Naglessman has been stats compared to the tuchel. it doesn't even make sense to call bayern under tuchel was better compared to the previous season. Leverkusen took only one and a half of season to surpass bayern and it has proven that how big the impact was being made by xabi alonso. It was so damn bad for tuchel by seeing his club has already destroyed by leverkusen.
I have no word to say for him but tuchel was a flop. It's caused by he was not able to perform better compared to the last season. I meant he was only lucky enough last season caused by dortmund was making a stupid mistake.

The officials from Bayern are expressing their dissatisfaction with the outcome achieved by Tuchel. They want xabi to become the new coach for the club. They are willing to see bayern munich to keep the momentum in the right track to make the club is always dominating the competition.
Hijacking xabi from leverkusen is the key owned by bayern to make sure the club will be able to dominate the competition again. This has become the main problem that must get more attention from leverkusen.

Leverkusen must take measures to guarantee that Xabi will always be a member of the team. This is the only problem that needs to be considered by the club like increase xabi's salary when bayern will try to approach him. So, it will not make him to leave from leverkusen and bayern will not able to dominate the competition again.
The main strategy owned by bayern to take the key owned by its rival to dominate the competition.

[rahmad2nd]

Even though Bayern Munich lost in their crucial match against Leverkusen I still believe they aren't out in the title race, it's a 5 point gap which is equivalent to the points that Dortmund was gapping them with last season but they eventually dropped points as they keep playing with other teams and finally Bayern Munich won the league last season. Yes the Champions league is another place they sure have a good chance and I believe they would rather prefer to win the champions league than their league if they have the opportunity to decide what they really want to win this season but I still think we shouldn't rule them out completely on the league because they still have so many matches to play likewise Leverkusen and anything is still possible in the game if football.

In short, Bayern still has a chance in the Domestic League competition, but that also depends on how Bayern Munich cleans up the remaining matches with a win. plus, hope Leverkusen slips in some of their matches. thus, competition will be exciting again in the fight for the Bundesliga trophy. after all, there are still many matches that must be played by both Bayern and Leverkusen. what is certain is that football is unique and difficult to predict with certainty.

Talk about Bayern Munich in this competition, before we get too far into discussing which team will be the champion candidate. or one of the strong challengers, let's just focus first on the match they will play. Bayern will visit Lazio in the first leg on 15 February. at the very least, Tuchel must bring his team to win the match by overthrowing the opposing team in either the first or second leg. in this way, we will know the team that will be Bayern's opponent in the next round. that is, if Bayern is able to overthrow Lazio. at least, Bayern has a big chance of qualifying from the round of 16. in fact, we can refer to temporary betting exchanges. Lazio with odds of 5.20, while Bayern Munich with @1.65. It seems clear, at least we have a little idea about the match between these two teams. so, let's just follow every development.

[bering]

Finally champion league round of 16 will be starting tomorrow and the first match is FC Copenhagen vs Manchester City and previously we have already to discuss about this match but i still interesting to talking more about both teams and as defending champion since group stages Manchester City was never gets decent opponents because they were into easy group and this also causes Manchester City can gets 18 points from 6 matches because their opponents quality is far below to them and at round of 16 too after drawing result Manchester City gets easy opponent

Copenhagen was into hard group because they were into group A which their status is not the favourite because in that group there is Manchester United or Bayern Munich who became an strong candidate to qualified but surprisingly Copenhagen can eliminate Manchester United and they finish at runner up position under Bayern Munich and about meeting statistics Manchester City have already met Copenhagen last season and Manchester City can able to win with big scores from Copenhagen and regarding this match i think there is no chances for Copenhagen to beat Manchester City moreover currently Manchester City will playing full team because all of their players have already to get recover from the injured and Manchester City has low odds @1.25 but i expect them can able to win with big scores again

[swogerino]

Finally champion league round of 16 will be starting tomorrow and the first match is FC Copenhagen vs Manchester City and previously we have already to discuss about this match but i still interesting to talking more about both teams and as defending champion since group stages Manchester City was never gets decent opponents because they were into easy group and this also causes Manchester City can gets 18 points from 6 matches because their opponents quality is far below to them and at round of 16 too after drawing result Manchester City gets easy opponent

Copenhagen was into hard group because they were into group A which their status is not the favourite because in that group there is Manchester United or Bayern Munich who became an strong candidate to qualified but surprisingly Copenhagen can eliminate Manchester United and they finish at runner up position under Bayern Munich and about meeting statistics Manchester City have already met Copenhagen last season and Manchester City can able to win with big scores from Copenhagen and regarding this match i think there is no chances for Copenhagen to beat Manchester City moreover currently Manchester City will playing full team because all of their players have already to get recover from the injured and Manchester City has low odds @1.25 but i expect them can able to win with big scores again

A lot of great games to look forward to with Inter Milan vs Atletico Madrid being one of the best games to watch yet I am very much interested in another game.I am going to watch live Paris vs Real Sociedad.I am very interested to see how will Psg play as they are looking from years now to go to a Champions League final and to win it and against Sociedad they should not have a lot of problems to win this game.If they cannot win at home then they should not expect at all any possible qualification.

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I actually see it from a different perspective, Bayern Munich's performance is better and stronger compared to the previous season, but they can't maintain the consistency of their performance, which means they are now behind Leverkusen in the Bundesliga.
And in the UCL I think it will be different, with the strength that Bayern Munich currently has, other teams should take into account or be wary of them in the competition for the UCL title this season.

Because they are unable to maintain consistent performance, that is Bayern Munich weakness this season. On the one hand, the defeat to Leverkusen was a very painful blow for Bayern Munich, while on the other hand, Tuchel has to learn a lot from this defeat if he doesn't want his team to slip out of this competition more quickly.
Bayern Munich must be more careful in the UCL, the players need to maintain unity by helping each other to get maximum results. The strength of Bayern Munich is still capable of providing competition in the race for trophies, but they must avoid mistakes to prevent the same incident as when they were humiliated by Leverkusen.

[KTChampions]

At the moment Napoli are in 9th place and Barcelona are in 3rd, but is there a big difference if we are talking about the current champions who have already failed to defend the title and have no chance this season? There is nothing unfair in calling them losers, by the way, both clubs evaluate this season in the same way since Napoli has already changed their coach, and Xavi’s departure from Barcelona has already been announced.
But one of them will end up in the quarter finals (two steps away from the title hehe) and will have a chance to save the season.

This year there is no such clear favorite for the title. I think Barcelona is very weak despite their 3rd place in La Liga, Napoli has a very good chance of advancing to the next round as winners. But I don't see any chance for either team of winning the CL this year.

Yesterday, the rest of Real's competitors (even theoretical ones) again lost points, and now Real again has a 10-point advantage over Barcelona 
As for Barcelona, I just don’t know what those who consider them favorites in the game with Napoli are thinking. Barcelona can't even beat Granada at home and concede 3 goals per game from an outsider which scores less than a goal per game on average. This is ridiculous.
Thank God Atlético didn't win yesterday either (thus my multi-bet was destroyed twice) otherwise I would have been very angry 

[makishart]

At the moment Napoli are in 9th place and Barcelona are in 3rd, but is there a big difference if we are talking about the current champions who have already failed to defend the title and have no chance this season? There is nothing unfair in calling them losers, by the way, both clubs evaluate this season in the same way since Napoli has already changed their coach, and Xavi’s departure from Barcelona has already been announced.
But one of them will end up in the quarter finals (two steps away from the title hehe) and will have a chance to save the season.

Since being handled by Mazzarri, Napoli's performance has really dropped drastically, I really like the Spaletti era, even in the local league, they are no longer able to compete at the top of the standings.

Meanwhile for Barcelona their performance is actually not that bad, the only issue is that Xavi is not comfortable at Barcelona and if this really happens then Barcelona's performance will be affected, even though the Barcelona vs Napoli match will take place in the next 10 days but both teams must prepare themselves mentally. Even though Napoli has a small chance of winning, they have to keep fighting in this match.

thing that makes me feel better if napoli had only short term contract with him. Im a hundred percents sure that if mazzarri will not extent his career in napoli. Even napoli president is looking for a new coach to handle the club. Im only wondering who is going to be the next coach for napoli.
Conte has been rejecting napoli's offer and it seemed to me that napoli will be facing difficulty in getting a new coach. I hope that my opinion will not true but consider how big the target needs to be achieved by the coach makes me feel happy with it.
This is strange but napoli president is always making intervention for the club. Let's wait and see who is gonna be the new candidate to become a new coach for napoli. We are heading toward the end of season and anything can happen soon.

Napoli lost against acmilan and i think the management shall not tolerate it. it's crazy when club was recruiting mazzarri which didn't have good experience to manage the big club to become a head coach for napoli. It feels like that the title being a champion of serie a last season meant nothing to recruit the new coach.
it is a disgraceful result from napoli. Hope things can be better for the club in the future.

[BRINIRHA]

Yesterday, the rest of Real's competitors (even theoretical ones) again lost points, and now Real again has a 10-point advantage over Barcelona 
As for Barcelona, I just don’t know what those who consider them favorites in the game with Napoli are thinking. Barcelona can't even beat Granada at home and concede 3 goals per game from an outsider which scores less than a goal per game on average. This is ridiculous.
Thank God Atlético didn't win yesterday either (thus my multi-bet was destroyed twice) otherwise I would have been very angry 

But Napoli is currently even worse in Serie A, ranking 9th. So we also can't expect Napoli to beat Barcelona. But after seeing Barcelona held to a draw by Granada, now we also can't hope that Barcelona will succeed in beating Napoli. This is very funny because the Barcelona vs Napoli match will be a match that brings together two teams that have experienced inconsistencies this season. It's just that in terms of rankings, Barcelona is still ahead in 4th place in the league. This is different from Napoli which was thrown all the way to 9th place. Last season these two teams were champions in their respective domestic leagues. But this season, both of them are having difficulty getting close to first place. 

[Jody.Drummer]

More stable? I don't think Bayern Munich are more stable since Tuchel started to manage the team. I haven't seen them this much struggling before for winning the Bundesliga title.  

This is good to see for me though considering that I want a different team becoming champions. But if Bayern Munich don't manage to win the Bundesliga title I think Tuchel's seat would be under huge threat. Because it has become like a tradition for Bayern Munich to become champions here. They have an 11-title streak at the moment. This is just enormous you know and they wouldn't like to see Leverkusen putting an end to this.

In my opinion, one of the mistakes made by management was because they were too quick to fire Nagelsmann at the end of last season, from there Bayern Munich started to falter. I won't blame Tuchel for this, because he was appointed to replace Nagelsmann.
Maybe I would blame management more, why do they have to make decisions so quickly, at such a crucial time too. The reason is that firing Nagelsmann at the end of the season was not the right decision, if they wanted they could have waited longer, at least they waited until the end of the season.
At a time when Bayern Munich is experiencing a setback, at the same time there is Leverkusen who is performing very well this season, it allows us to see how they are this season. Moreover, with the recent defeat they experienced against Leverkusen, it was like answering the questions we had been asking them. 

[Docnaster]

At the moment Napoli are in 9th place and Barcelona are in 3rd, but is there a big difference if we are talking about the current champions who have already failed to defend the title and have no chance this season? There is nothing unfair in calling them losers, by the way, both clubs evaluate this season in the same way since Napoli has already changed their coach, and Xavi’s departure from Barcelona has already been announced.
But one of them will end up in the quarter finals (two steps away from the title hehe) and will have a chance to save the season.

This year there is no such clear favorite for the title. I think Barcelona is very weak despite their 3rd place in La Liga, Napoli has a very good chance of advancing to the next round as winners. But I don't see any chance for either team of winning the CL this year.

Napoli and Barcelona were the champions of their respective leagues last season but have failed to replicate their impressive performances in their leagues this season. After I analysed the reason behind their failure to be able to compete for their respective league titles this season, I came to understand that the two European giants doesn't have similar problems that led to their poor performance this season.

For Barcelona, their issue is caused by the club's financial crises that limited them from signing high profile players that can be capable to sustain their impressive performance of last season. Also another thing that made them to be underperforming this is is the fact that most of the top performers in the team have been injured in different times this season and that's why the manager Xavi Hernandez have been unable to help the team replicate their performance of last season in the current campaign.

Napoli on the other hand is unable to defend their league title because the manager who helped the team win the league title last season left immediately at the end of the season and despite the club's management efforts to bring in other good managers to the club, they've failed to replicate what the team under Luciano Spaletti did last season.

[Weawant]

But Napoli is currently even worse in Serie A, ranking 9th. So we also can't expect Napoli to beat Barcelona. But after seeing Barcelona held to a draw by Granada, now we also can't hope that Barcelona will succeed in beating Napoli. This is very funny because the Barcelona vs Napoli match will be a match that brings together two teams that have experienced inconsistencies this season. It's just that in terms of rankings, Barcelona is still ahead in 4th place in the league. This is different from Napoli which was thrown all the way to 9th place. Last season these two teams were champions in their respective domestic leagues. But this season, both of them are having difficulty getting close to first place. 

Barcelona isn't any better either so I aswell will not be expecting Barcelona to beat Napoli, moreover this is champions league an snot their various domestic leagues where they are usually able to put up any form of performance and be able to still get ahead probably because they are used to the style of play in their domestic league.

Barcelona has managed to maintain a fair position in their league table but then if you take a proper look at their performance, considering the fact that they don't have a really good defense, if Napoli is able to penetrate their defense well enough then they can be sure to beat Barcelona because Napolitano doesn't conceed as much goals as Barcelona do conceed in a single match recently, just that Napoli is suffering some kind of set backs recently and that has got a whole lot of effects on their performance generally  but then they could do better in the champions league as they don't have a really rough team to contend.