UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[RockBell]

this opportunity comes when Man City is no longer like last season, it was very clear when several players had a decline in productivity as I said in the EPL thread and problems like this put a lot of pressure on Guardiola who had to face Real Madrid with more experience in the UCL.
It's not surprising that if you compare the experience, Real Madrid is much more experienced, having won the most titles in the UCL, but Madrid still has to be careful, even though Haaland has experienced a slight decline in performance, but there are several other players who must be wary of.
IMO, both teams will be equally wary of their respective mainstay players, such as Man City will focus more on seeing the movements of Vinic and Bellingham but Madrid will definitely focus more on the movements of Haaland and De Bruyne.
even if the two teams will not meet in the final round, this match will be a very interesting match.

Manchester City's struggles this season are evident; it's not that they're performing poorly; rather, it's just that after their incredible campaign last year, things haven't gone so well for the city. This could be because of the number of injuries they've had, which has affected their players' play. Additionally, they had less injuries last season than the previous one, and the perception of the English leagues is not entirely accurate. The productivity of Manchester city as dropped. Additionally, both of them have experience in the UCL, which is why Pep is concerned that the game is now between two professional teams. Even though Madrid has won more titles than anyone else, they are still struggling, but they are making an effort because they need to be cautious because Manchester City eliminated them from the league last season. Madrid really needs to be mindful of Haaland and De Bruyne those guys can be sneaky and they can end up surprising real Madrid if they are not careful.

[Asiska02]

Haaland will not be able to move freely if Rudiger is fully guarded during the match. We have often seen this video footage circulating and Rudiger repeatedly holding Haaland tightly so that he cannot carry out dangerous attacks. I agree that currently Phil Foden can be a solution in facing Real Madrid, especially since this player is having his best performance so far.

On the other hand, I actually think otherwise if Real Madrid will just wait for the right momentum to carry out one quick attack to break down Manchester City's defense and that is indeed a very worrying thing. But everyone's opinion is different and whoever is strong in blocking these fast counterattacks will have little chance of winning by carrying out unpredictable attacks.

Man City are favourites to win the CL this season, they’ve actually been favourites for the last few seasons but only won it once. They are a great team but maybe this season don’t look quite as formidable as last season.

I definitely think Real can hurt them, they have the players to do it.

I guess with this your view, we can come to a conclusion that the quarterfinals clash between Manchester City and Real Madrid will be the determinant of the champions league trophy this season. I always see the both teams as the biggest and most formidable teams this season to win the champions league trophy, so after their matchup against each other i have also unarguably believe that the team that prevails here will be winner of this year's champions league. We have other good teams still in the competition but this two team's quality is incomparable to the rest of the teams participating in the competition, so i will give them a higher odds to win than any other team.

[hyudien]

Next season will be a real challenge for Leverkusen. They will play in the Champions League and that is a high level competition. Xabi must be able to rotate players and add variations to match tactics. I think club management will give Xabi a budget to find the players he wants. And for tactics I think if you play at a level like the Champions League you really need a variety of tactics because strong teams from other leagues will look for your weaknesses. And if they find your weaknesses then the teams in the domestic league will also find out your tactical weaknesses if you lack tactics.

This is also the most decisive step for Xabi ALonso to show that he is worthy of managing the team. His decision to stay was also part of Xabi Alonso goal to bring Leverkusen back to experiencing the UCL competition with different strengths. The UCL clubs are certainly looking forward to the match against Leverkusen, because they have an unbeaten record of more than 40 matches. Certainly an attraction in itself, Xabi Alonso really wants to rise to a higher level next season. We can't predict much but Levekusen confidence in the Bundesliga clearly gives a positive aura for prestige in the Champions League.

[swogerino]

Next season will be a real challenge for Leverkusen. They will play in the Champions League and that is a high level competition. Xabi must be able to rotate players and add variations to match tactics. I think club management will give Xabi a budget to find the players he wants. And for tactics I think if you play at a level like the Champions League you really need a variety of tactics because strong teams from other leagues will look for your weaknesses. And if they find your weaknesses then the teams in the domestic league will also find out your tactical weaknesses if you lack tactics.

This is also the most decisive step for Xabi ALonso to show that he is worthy of managing the team. His decision to stay was also part of Xabi Alonso goal to bring Leverkusen back to experiencing the UCL competition with different strengths. The UCL clubs are certainly looking forward to the match against Leverkusen, because they have an unbeaten record of more than 40 matches. Certainly an attraction in itself, Xabi Alonso really wants to rise to a higher level next season. We can't predict much but Levekusen confidence in the Bundesliga clearly gives a positive aura for prestige in the Champions League.

The Champions League is much more competitive than the Bundesliga.We saw some lacking in the last European game of Leverkussen where they were down at home 0-2 from a team from Azerbaijan league like Qarabag and sure they finally managed to win the game 3-2 yet this shows that they have not yet the confidence needed in European competitions,that comes only with experience.I also agree and enjoy the choice of Xabi Alonso to stay in Leverkussen and try to bring back the glory they had in the 2000-s when they were playing and winning a final against Bayern Munchen in the Champions League,so surely is a great thing that he is staying.

[KTChampions]

That's for sure. These are quotes from last year when City really looked dominant and Real didn't have Bellingham. Theoretically, I could understand if the teams were rated equally, although even in this case I would consider Real underrated, but the fact that City are the away favorites is simply ridiculous. At the moment I am thinking about what is the most profitable thing to do - take a risk and make a simple bet on Real Madrid or make a reliable double chance bet on Real Madrid.

The double chance odds is small, around @1.30 - @1.60.

This match draw is may likely to happen, so it's quite risky to bet Real Madrid to win. I would bet for under 2.5 because based on history, when the match held in Real Madrid's home, they didn't score many goals.

Currently Manchester City is the favorite, but we still have six days, odds swing could happen.

At the moment the Real double chance outcome is quoted as 1.53. Does it seem small to you? +53% with a very reliable bet seems very profitable to me.
A bet on the total seems unreliable/unprofitable to me since Real will try to gain an advantage in the first game and given the strength of the attack of both teams, I would not be surprised by the score 4-2. In the second game where Real will try to keep the score (I'm an optimist hehe), perhaps such a bet will be relevant.

[Palakka]

Next season will be a real challenge for Leverkusen. They will play in the Champions League and that is a high level competition. Xabi must be able to rotate players and add variations to match tactics. I think club management will give Xabi a budget to find the players he wants. And for tactics I think if you play at a level like the Champions League you really need a variety of tactics because strong teams from other leagues will look for your weaknesses. And if they find your weaknesses then the teams in the domestic league will also find out your tactical weaknesses if you lack tactics.

Alonso stay in Leverkusen at this time certainly delights the fans and also the management, especially they have high hopes for Alonso to be able to continue to provide achievements for extraordinary achievements in the Leverkusen squad next season, I think Leverkusen' qualification to the Champions League will certainly make next season's Champions League full of surprise teams that are able to make history in the league this season,  I think if Alonso can continue to maintain their squad this season, of course it is not impossible that they can compete in the Champions League next season.

The champions League has always presented fierce competition and even not infrequently the seeded team must fall faster than the team that Is able to maintain the consistency of their game, and that is why alonso will get a challenge and also a strong pressure in the Champions League later for him to continue maintain the consistency of the game from the Leverkusen squad, besides that the Champions League will be his first test as a coach and of course he must be able to give all His ability to take Leverkusen far in the Champions League next season.

[Republikcoin.com]

Real Madrid failed in all negotiations to buy a real striker, let`s remember that Bellingam is not a real pure striker and therefore does what he can!
If he had a striker like Lautaro or Osimhen, then everything could change for Real Madrid, but they fail all tractative

Even though Real Madrid failed to carry out these negotiations, it does not mean that Real Madrid will continue to fail in other negotiations because for now Real Madrid still deserves to be considered a strong team even though there is no pure striker in their front line. Currently Real Madrid can still monitor several other players who might be suitable for them apart from continuing to utilize current players for this line because the other lines must also remain strong so that they do not become weak when receiving attacks from their opponents.

[hahay]

Real Madrid failed in all negotiations to buy a real striker, let`s remember that Bellingam is not a real pure striker and therefore does what he can!
If he had a striker like Lautaro or Osimhen, then everything could change for Real Madrid, but they fail all tractative

Even though Real Madrid failed to carry out these negotiations, it does not mean that Real Madrid will continue to fail in other negotiations because for now Real Madrid still deserves to be considered a strong team even though there is no pure striker in their front line. Currently Real Madrid can still monitor several other players who might be suitable for them apart from continuing to utilize current players for this line because the other lines must also remain strong so that they do not become weak when receiving attacks from their opponents.

After all, the transfer window has not yet opened and of course, there is still plenty of time for Real Madrid to get a pure striker in the transfer window later. Therefore, of course, at this moment Real Madrid still has to focus well and also make good preparations to get good results in the Champions League. Because after all, although Real Madrid at this moment still managed to qualify for the quarter-finals of the Champions League, but the fact is that Real Madrid also always has difficulty winning from matches played in the group phase as well. Although indeed, having a target to bring in pure attacking player who have great potential is good to plan from now on, but at least at this moment also that Real Madrid is still faced with a difficult situation for matches in the Champions League.

[TastyChillySauce00]

So, if you see Arsenal performing better compared to last season, Real Madrid will also do the same thing. They want to perform better compared to last season in the Champions League where Real Madrid was defeated by Manchester City and this will be an event of revenge for Real Madrid to avenge their defeat, we'll see what Carlo Ancelotti will do in providing his strategy when his club again faces a club that is strong in attack, but Real Madrid's attack is also quite good this season so both clubs will be wary of each other.

Mancity's attack is quite inferior to Real Madrid's. Halaand seems quite ungainly and quite gentle when facing big teams, Mancity's recent scoring has depended a lot on Phil Foden. Meanwhile, Real Madrid's attack is more varied with the duo of Brazil and Bellingham. It's quite difficult for Mancity to play a double attack with Real Madrid. I think a defensive counter-attack and wait for an opportunity will be better for Mancity because Real Madrid is not good at defending against the counter-attack. This could be a point for Mancity to exploit when Real is engrossed in attacking.

The most important thing to consider is whether Haaland can be guarded by multiple players from real madrid's defenders. I must say that if real madrid defenders may be performing differently compared to the what arsenal did since these clubs are now the same. Real Madrid suffered a significant loss aaginst city last season, and it would be foolish if Ancelotti did not even attempt to learn from his mistakes when city has destroyed real madrid with 5-1 as the final result. Real Madrid needs to mark some important players owned by Manchester City, but I believe City will find a solution for this considering the fact that if city is still playing very well till this time.

It is difficult to predict which strategy Real Madrid will use but i strongly believe if both of clubs will be playing safely to beat each other. They must have learned a lot from the previous season's mistake. Manchester City should not be underestimated, even though it will not be playing with its full squad but city is quite capable to destroy madrid like last season, some players are also still on fire. Real Madrid must be cautious at all times, but I believe City will defeat Madrid.

The first leg will be an away game for City, and a draw against Real Madrid will provide great momentum. City is an equal opponent to Real Madrid, and I am sure there will be plenty of surprises in the future. That being said, Madrid may also be losing to City.
I'd rather bet on both teams scoring because a draw in this game could be the worst possible outcome for Real Madrid.

[Hyphen(-)]

This is also the most decisive step for Xabi ALonso to show that he is worthy of managing the team. His decision to stay was also part of Xabi Alonso goal to bring Leverkusen back to experiencing the UCL competition with different strengths. The UCL clubs are certainly looking forward to the match against Leverkusen, because they have an unbeaten record of more than 40 matches. Certainly an attraction in itself, Xabi Alonso really wants to rise to a higher level next season. We can't predict much but Levekusen confidence in the Bundesliga clearly gives a positive aura for prestige in the Champions League.

Xavi Alonso made a good decision to stay in the team to make himself and the team worthy of the Champions League they qualified to play next season.
In the other hand, his decision to stay will make Bayern to be make a good decision on signing new manager because they were hoping to sign Alonso after this season. They need to sign new manger so that they can challenge Bayer Leverkusen next season and Dortmund and other teams.

If Alonso did well in the Champions League next season, he will have more offers from various teams including Real Madrid and Barcelona.

[Farma]

Haaland will not be able to move freely if Rudiger is fully guarded during the match. We have often seen this video footage circulating and Rudiger repeatedly holding Haaland tightly so that he cannot carry out dangerous attacks. I agree that currently Phil Foden can be a solution in facing Real Madrid, especially since this player is having his best performance so far.

On the other hand, I actually think otherwise if Real Madrid will just wait for the right momentum to carry out one quick attack to break down Manchester City's defense and that is indeed a very worrying thing. But everyone's opinion is different and whoever is strong in blocking these fast counterattacks will have little chance of winning by carrying out unpredictable attacks.

Man City are favourites to win the CL this season, they’ve actually been favourites for the last few seasons but only won it once. They are a great team but maybe this season don’t look quite as formidable as last season.

I definitely think Real can hurt them, they have the players to do it.

That's quite possible, especially since Real Madrid had a grudge last season so they have much greater motivation to beat Manchester City.

It's not just Manchester City who have been favored in the last few seasons to win the CL, Real Madrid is also the same.

So this is a match between the two best teams and two teams that have always been favorites from the start so whatever predictions we make are very reasonable because both of them also have the same chance of beating each other.

It all comes down to each of us seeing or predicting from which side or point of view to speculate on betting choices.
And I'm going to bet big on Real Madrid winning, I'm sure they will avenge last season.

[skarais]

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Of course, this is Xabi's first time coaching Bayer Leverkusen and taking him to a bigger contest, to be precise, bigger than the one they are currently in at UEL. In the UCL there are strong teams from the top league which is a tough obstacle for Leverkusen, especially to get the title, they have to be able to get past Real Madrid and Man City, both of these teams are experienced teams in the UCL, as well as they also have to get past their tough enemy in the Bundesliga, namely Bayern Munich. who has a greater advantage compared to him.

However, if Xabi is able to provide good tactics and strategies then Leverkusen deserves to be in this big competition competing with the top teams. I can't wait for Leverkusen to play in the UCL, whether they will experience bad luck or good luck for them.

It is always difficult to maintain the performance of a team as rapidly improving as Leverkusen in a season even if Xabi Alonso builds his squad with several new players. Each season the competition between teams will be very different because the coach's approach to strategy may have changed. The large number of matches scheduled is one of the reasons why performance can decline, not to mention the failure of some players to maintain their best form.

Of course good wishes are always expressed, but in reality every coach will find it difficult to maintain the best form of his team. Xabi Alonso must realize that and he must be ready for all the challenges next season, but first he must finish this season with brilliant achievements.

[Jegileman]

Real Madrid failed in all negotiations to buy a real striker, let`s remember that Bellingam is not a real pure striker and therefore does what he can!
If he had a striker like Lautaro or Osimhen, then everything could change for Real Madrid, but they fail all tractative

Even though Real Madrid failed to carry out these negotiations, it does not mean that Real Madrid will continue to fail in other negotiations because for now Real Madrid still deserves to be considered a strong team even though there is no pure striker in their front line. Currently Real Madrid can still monitor several other players who might be suitable for them apart from continuing to utilize current players for this line because the other lines must also remain strong so that they do not become weak when receiving attacks from their opponents.

Real Madrid can still play and deliver great football without a natural strike but if they have one it is going to help them in all competitions. I mean they need a clinical striker and not just an average one like Joselu who joined them on loan this season and couldn’t prove himself more worthy of been kept in the club as a striker. Real Madrid upcoming squad for the next season doesn’t necessitates them to have a striker because they’ve enough forward to deliver their matches and can switch between themselves from winger to striking roles, so I don’t think a lack of striker will cause any issue to their performance. Real Madrid in my opinion will still play a great football by next season and they will still stand out to be a league contender for another time.

[beerlover]

Manchester City have a really tight fixture lately. They have another PL match to play in 2 days and only 3 days after that one they are going to play the first leg in the Champions League. Guardiola has a really tough job to do truthfully. Because they are in a fierce fight for the PL title on the other hand. He can't just do a big rotation as a result.

De Bruyne and Haaland were rested in the Aston Villa match. However Haaland's rest might have a different reason. His form has dropped a lot lately as you know. 

I really wonder who we will see there in the first leg, Haaland or Alvarez?

I do agree that it is going to be pretty tough for City without a doubt, we are talking about players who were on a break, then played many games back to back, all of that tires players out a lot and that should be something to worry for them.

I believe that we are going to see City end up crumbling down eventually, that's going to take a bit of a time and should be very important in the end. I am not saying that it is going to be something that will take all of their power out of them, of course they will still be a good team, but they wouldn't be that dominant force that we have seen last year, that is why I believe that we are going to end up with something that could be this hard to handle, they should be having some troubles.

[Ayers]

Manchester City have a really tight fixture lately. They have another PL match to play in 2 days and only 3 days after that one they are going to play the first leg in the Champions League. Guardiola has a really tough job to do truthfully. Because they are in a fierce fight for the PL title on the other hand. He can't just do a big rotation as a result.

De Bruyne and Haaland were rested in the Aston Villa match. However Haaland's rest might have a different reason. His form has dropped a lot lately as you know. 

I really wonder who we will see there in the first leg, Haaland or Alvarez?

I do agree that it is going to be pretty tough for City without a doubt, we are talking about players who were on a break, then played many games back to back, all of that tires players out a lot and that should be something to worry for them.

I believe that we are going to see City end up crumbling down eventually, that's going to take a bit of a time and should be very important in the end. I am not saying that it is going to be something that will take all of their power out of them, of course they will still be a good team, but they wouldn't be that dominant force that we have seen last year, that is why I believe that we are going to end up with something that could be this hard to handle, they should be having some troubles.

Yes, I can see Real Madrid players are actually going to have a good rest before both the legs.
When they will go against Manchester City in the first leg they will have almost 9 days of rest.
And when they will go against Manchester City on the second leg, they will have 4 days of rest.

On the other hand Manchester City is not going to have that kind of luxury.

So that is probably a thing which is going to affect the outcome, I agree. And knowing the Real Madrid coach, Carlo Ancelotti, he is definitely going to use that to his advantage. But there is still no chance for them to take it easy as they are going up against Manchester City, arguably one of the best squad in the whole world right now.

[Slow death]

Haaland will not be able to move freely if Rudiger is fully guarded during the match. We have often seen this video footage circulating and Rudiger repeatedly holding Haaland tightly so that he cannot carry out dangerous attacks. I agree that currently Phil Foden can be a solution in facing Real Madrid, especially since this player is having his best performance so far.

On the other hand, I actually think otherwise if Real Madrid will just wait for the right momentum to carry out one quick attack to break down Manchester City's defense and that is indeed a very worrying thing. But everyone's opinion is different and whoever is strong in blocking these fast counterattacks will have little chance of winning by carrying out unpredictable attacks.

Man City are favourites to win the CL this season, they’ve actually been favourites for the last few seasons but only won it once. They are a great team but maybe this season don’t look quite as formidable as last season.

I definitely think Real can hurt them, they have the players to do it.

I guess with this your view, we can come to a conclusion that the quarterfinals clash between Manchester City and Real Madrid will be the determinant of the champions league trophy this season. I always see the both teams as the biggest and most formidable teams this season to win the champions league trophy, so after their matchup against each other i have also unarguably believe that the team that prevails here will be winner of this year's champions league. We have other good teams still in the competition but this two team's quality is incomparable to the rest of the teams participating in the competition, so i will give them a higher odds to win than any other team.

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams, to begin with real madrid was in a group of weak teams and even so real madrid won but they were not the type of victory that could be considered a great dominance of real madrid, see that for real madrid to be at this stage they beat Leipzig with great difficulties, so seeing real madrid as a super strong team and a big exaggeration, in the European champions league all teams can surprise, just see that last season inter reached the final even though they were a team that no one expected them to reach the final

and many people kept saying that manchester city would destroy inter in the final of the european champions league, but they were completely wrong, inter in the final of the champions league played in an even way with manchester city, there was nothing dominant and a lot of goals from Manchester City as many people said. People have made the mistake of looking at the name of the team and not the squad and the results of the team's last games. In my opinion, Real Madrid and Manchester City have the same chances as all the teams at this stage. even if real madrid wins or manchester city wins, the chances of the winner of that game will be the same chances as all other teams that go through to another stage, the champions league final game are games in which any team can win. Arsenal, Barcelona, PSG, Dortmund and Bayern are the type of teams that could reach the final and beat Manchester City or Real Madrid.

[Oluwa-btc]

Haaland will not be able to move freely if Rudiger is fully guarded during the match. We have often seen this video footage circulating and Rudiger repeatedly holding Haaland tightly so that he cannot carry out dangerous attacks. I agree that currently Phil Foden can be a solution in facing Real Madrid, especially since this player is having his best performance so far.

On the other hand, I actually think otherwise if Real Madrid will just wait for the right momentum to carry out one quick attack to break down Manchester City's defense and that is indeed a very worrying thing. But everyone's opinion is different and whoever is strong in blocking these fast counterattacks will have little chance of winning by carrying out unpredictable attacks.

Rudiger was indeed a problem for Erling Haaland during the last encounter they had as the made thengane very tiring and boring for Erling Haaland.
I don't know if it'll be like that this time around because I don't rely too much on Nacho Fernandez as a good defender. Can he do what David Alaba did alongside Rudiger during the last Champions League clash against Manchester City?

Manchester City are now a different Manchester City, as they have declined in performance and creativity. I shouldn't be expressing myself too much.

Phil Foden might be in a red hot form fo Manchester City but don't forget they Real Madrid also have Camavinga and Aurelin Tchouameni to shield up the midfielder's and defender's.

[promise444c5]

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams

To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.

[kawetsriyanto]

Xavi Alonso made a good decision to stay in the team to make himself and the team worthy of the Champions League they qualified to play next season.
In the other hand, his decision to stay will make Bayern to be make a good decision on signing new manager because they were hoping to sign Alonso after this season. They need to sign new manger so that they can challenge Bayer Leverkusen next season and Dortmund and other teams.

Xavi Alonso? Do you mean Xabi Alonso? 
It will be a good decision or bad decision depending on how the performance of Bayer Leverkusen in the next season.
If Bayer Leverkusen still can dominate Bundesliga and they still can lead the table, it means Xabi Alonso did the right way to stay in Leverkusen. And he also needs to lead Leverkusen to perform well in UCL. Xabi Alonso must ensure that Leverkusen also perform good in international competition. In this way, everyone will agree that Xabi has done the right decision to stay.

If Alonso did well in the Champions League next season, he will have more offers from various teams including Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Of course, there must be more offers if he can be successful in UCL for the next season. However, who can guarantee to succeed in UCL? We also don't forget that UCL is more difficult competition because Leverkusen will play against the best teams in every top European leagues in the world. It won't be the same as in Europa League (UEL).

[hahay]

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams

To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that either Real Madrid or Manchester City have a great chance of winning the trophy this season. Although indeed, I also agree that the other teams also have good quality and also have a chance to get the trophy. But at least, because considering at this moment the other teams that are in this phase in this quarter-final phase, at least Real Madrid and Manchester City at least still have better quality then other. Because anyway, if we mention them all like Atletico, Dortmund, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Arsenal indeed, basically they are big teams and of course famous team in the Champions League or in the big five European leagues. But anyway, basically still, that Real Madrid and Manchester City are still the best other them but indeed, team like Arsenal at this moment also really cannot be underestimated.