⚽ Premier League 2024/2025 Discussion Thread ⚽

[SatoPrincess]

As much as you play for Manchester United, it's mandatory to defend the club. Today, most Manchester United players are not passionate about the club no more. Oh please, all thanks to Johnny Evans and the rest of the defenders, they complement themselves very well. At the end of the day, Johnny Evans was man of the match. There's nothing about strategy, it's just rotation honestly. I hate the way the ex players of Manchester United and sky sports target non british players and managers. This is not a good way to support the club honestly. Maybe Erik Ten Hag should drop Bruno Fernandez in my opinion next week.

Hey! I remember last season you defended Ten Hag and argued that he was a good, suitable manager for United. Judging by your message, you haven't changed your mind?
I wonder when you will start blaming him specifically? I understand that bad results are always a complex problem, but is Ten Hag really not guilty of anything again?

You can’t be active on football threads and not know Oluwa-btc is a strong Manchester United fan and a firm believer in Erik Ten Hag. He’s been in support of the manager and has defended him against every criticism on this thread as well as thread. We have had debates on the subject several times. I think only once have I seen Oluwa-btc opinion on Erik Ten Hag waver, it seems he’s gotten over it and back to his old self.

[Furious 7]

Southampton is currently on the verge of relegation and they are working hard to achieve it.

The 19th position on the table ain't cool at all. They're already in the relegation zone. I gotta say, this was a really tough one for wolves and Southampton as they may be out sooner or later.

Speaking of Southampton, they are actually used to this position because if you look at the last few seasons they have always come and gone from the EPL because in the end for the Championship they are always strong and difficult to beat but for the EPL of course it is different because in the end they always have difficulties when they are a promotion club to this highest competition.

7 Matches with 1 draw and 6 defeats is certainly not a very good thing for them and it will certainly be a little difficult to get out of the relegation zone because of their situation that suffered more defeats in the end.

Week 8 they will face Leicester, who in fact is a promoted club just like them, it's just that this will still be difficult for them to win even though they will play at St. Marry's, which is their home. I think a draw is still possible for this match but most likely with the current situation the probability of them losing will still happen again.

[Stable090]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

[Dzwaafu11]

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all.

Many people think because Manchester United managed to get a draw against Aston Villa they have improved, which is why I didn’t see any improvement here. Manchester United are still struggling to win against weak teams, so because they drew against Aston Villa, I won’t call this an improvement. Moreover, this is just a start; their many more matches are coming. Let's see how their performance will be before we say Manchester United's performance has improved, but as of now I’m still yet to see improvement from them.

Aston Villa defeated Bayan Munich in the last Champions League match and they are doing well in the English Premier League, so many people think that Aston Villa might be a strong team and a draw against this strong team means a lot of improvement in their performance. Those who think so are essentially saying that Manchester United have improved their performance. But those who watched the match between Manchester United and Aston Villa live will tell you how sloppy Manchester United's game was. Manchester United performed in such a way that it felt like we were watching a local team. Manchester United did not have good pass accuracy in that match, nor did they have the ability to keep the ball in their favor, so how do some people think Manchester United improved their performance.

Exactly. And this is the reason why I said Manchester United are still yet to improve, and not the way people are saying, they were struggling to do many things in that match. To be sincere, although when Aston Villa won against Bayern Munich, we all think they are back to their performance, but that is not the reality here. I feel like we should not judge a team performance by 1 match but tend to do that; once they see a team win a single match, they will start saying the team performance is back.

[Odusko]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

The Manchester United disappointing performance started before they signed Ten Hag, but the hype on Ten Hag due to his performance at Ajax made us think that he wil outperform the likes Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, but it turn out to be the other way round since Arteta of Arsenal have more team development and tactics than Ten Hag.
However, Ten Hag have two titles achievements to show to backup his performance in the two seasons he has coached Manchester United, but the team.s performance is not going well as fan expected because Premier League and the Champions League performance is the main thing a big team is after, but since Ten Hag take over Manchester united, his Champions League/Europa League performances are very poor, he won just on match out of ten which is very bad for big team like Manchester United.

I will also be expecting the Manchester United management to sack Ten Hag because the team deserves a coach that can be able to utilize the young players they spent money to bring into the team.

[Ndabagi01]

Agree. It is funny that a draw result is considered as an improvement of Man United performance. If they failed to win the match, it means no improvement at all. Aston Villa is strong team now but Man United should have a chance to beat them. Man United must focus on attacking, so they may have a chance to score some goals. But if they focused on defense only, they may have no conceded goals but they won't have a goal. A draw result isn't something good for Man United, it is also not the first time to get bad result. If Man United fires him, it is not because of the draw result but it is caused by a series of bad results.

To be honest, looking at the condition of the team they played against, they should have lost that match but they were able to bring the match to a draw at the end of the day. Aston Villa is a great team and they’ve been playing well since last season and are even participating in the champions league this season. They are even among the major league contender, so this result for Manchester United was a worthy one and Tem Hag might be considered for another time after drawing this match.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

No talks about any sack whatsoever to Ten Hag. His performance in the managerial role has not been encouraging and a lot of them including the fans want him to go now. I saw in the news before the Aston Villa match that if he loses the game, he’s going to be relieved off his duty but congratulations that he was able to bring the match to a draw. He has been given many opportunities and I think he still got some on him that he’s been given, let’s see what he can do now, maybe he can improve the condition of the team in the next few matches.

[ndutndut]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

In my opinion, fans, players, and Ineos should be more patient in dealing with Ten Hag. In the past, when Klopp first came to Liverpool, he was also erratic and not immediately good, in the fifth year there were already results. Maybe this is one of the reasons why Man United management still gave Ten Hag a chance, especially since Ten Hag gave one trophy every season even though Man United was always bad in the EPL. Maybe the club management did not fire Ten Hag because they did not find the right replacement coach.

Currently, I think Ten Hag must be able to control the Man United dressing room. Ten Hag must learn from coaches like Pep Guardiola who must be able to bring in tier S+ players who have good skillsets, ball IQ in every position. On the other hand, Ten Hag's weakness is not disciplining players like Pep Guardiola. Pep Guardiola is a coach who disciplines his players to stay in their respective positions to carry out Pep Guardiola's tactics.

In addition, Ten Hag's weakness is that the quality of Man United players is not as good as Madrid who have many stars who have above average skills, Real Madrid is disciplined in defense but when attacking they are freed by Ancelotti because that is Ancelotti's tactic. If Ten Hag needs to discipline Man United players to play a complete system, both for transition, attack or defense like Pep Guardiola. Ten Hag must do a lot of self-introspection, so that he can apply the strategy with the abilities of the players he has.

[AYOBA]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

Honestly the Manchester United performances is very worse when the fans was expecting good performance from them this season, since with the way they make an poorly performance in previous seasons, but still their repeat the same again this season they didn’t make single improvement for the team; could you imagine that last season is the Manchester United and Chelsea there performance was almost  similar in that last year that’s how the entire season poorly performed.

But this season Chelsea have find their way by making their performances so better than last season, because even their fans are also proud of them with the kind patterns of the game their playing all this while; but Manchester United just quit their performances without improvement: I don’t either the all problems is from there coach or from the players let look at the position their manage in the table currently now seriously is unfair.

[len01]

As much as you play for Manchester United, it's mandatory to defend the club. Today, most Manchester United players are not passionate about the club no more. Oh please, all thanks to Johnny Evans and the rest of the defenders, they complement themselves very well. At the end of the day, Johnny Evans was man of the match. There's nothing about strategy, it's just rotation honestly. I hate the way the ex players of Manchester United and sky sports target non british players and managers. This is not a good way to support the club honestly. Maybe Erik Ten Hag should drop Bruno Fernandez in my opinion next week.

Hey! I remember last season you defended Ten Hag and argued that he was a good, suitable manager for United. Judging by your message, you haven't changed your mind?
I wonder when you will start blaming him specifically? I understand that bad results are always a complex problem, but is Ten Hag really not guilty of anything again?

You can’t be active on football threads and not know Oluwa-btc is a strong Manchester United fan and a firm believer in Erik Ten Hag. He’s been in support of the manager and has defended him against every criticism on this thread as well as thread. We have had debates on the subject several times. I think only once have I seen Oluwa-btc opinion on Erik Ten Hag waver, it seems he’s gotten over it and back to his old self.

Yep, he is a strong Man United fan, but I still respect him because a fan will always defend them no matter what happens. And what Oluwa-btc said about Bruno Fernandez is true because in my opinion, that player is actually due to be replaced with a new player and it's time to look for a more productive player. I'm not saying Bruno is no longer a productive player, but for me, his recent performances have looked a bit poor.
And regarding Ten Hag, to be honest, he really can't be blamed because perhaps a coach needs time to improve performance. But what Man United is currently achieving makes football fans think negatively about the coach.

[Belarge]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

This season have been nothing but horrible for the Red Devils, they're suffering to meet up the required expectations and nothing seems to be working. What more do you expect from a club handled by Erik Ten Hag? Besides the club is having down time and this is not just a good time to be Manchester United fan. Instead I will urge you to convert to other elite club like Manchester City or Liverpool. We're talking about clubs that will engaged in playing oppositions and their chances of loss is slim. As for Manchester United, they're currently suffering because the board have been recalcitrant and dormant in their role, sack ETH and bring in a more competent coach that will be able to handled the club.

[SatoPrincess]

In my opinion, Manchester United's draw is not a bad result, at least Man United can still get 1 point because I initially thought Aston Villa would beat Man United like they beat Bayern Munich in the Champions League because if we judge from the performance point of view, Bayern Munich is better than Man United but fortunately Man United can maintain a good enough defense so that Aston Villa cannot break through their goal. Some people think that the Man United match with Aston Villa is a benchmark for the continuation of Erik Ten Hag's service if Man United loses again, but unfortunately every time I hope Erik Ten Hag is fired, there is always something that makes this coach feel safe and Man United management is still reluctant to fire Erik Ten Hag.

Manchester United fallen into a spiral. Two years and counting, we are yet to see results from trusting the process with Erik Ten Hag. Many fans are calling for his sack but the club still believes Erik Ten Hag is the best option for the club right now. The issue with Manchester United isn’t just poor attacking but also in defense, passing and midfield creativity. They are playing like kids who just got a football for the first time. ETH has failed to bring in the quality of players that can turn the situation around and until that aspect of recruiting the right players is addressed, Manchester United will continue to struggle.

[koang]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

INEOS’s failure to sack ten Hag during this month's international break will set United back years.
INEOS needs to be decisive before it's too late. If we are afraid of Change, we won’t get the best.
But we know Some in the Manchester United hierarchy have privately admitted they really do not want to sack Erik Ten Hag.
Manchester United's hierarchy held a meeting on Tuesday but no statement from the club regarding the meeting appeared to be a subtle hint that TenHag will be retained, at least for now.
This season is written off even if they decide to sack him in the next couple of months. lol

[samuraijin]

Bro I am a Manchester United fan but this performance is so disappointing and bad. Never ever I expected them to be down this badly. Out of the 7 matches they played, only 2 wins.

Manchester United performance has been so bad since last season. I was thinking there will be improvement this season because Ten Hag was given money to sign some players, but even with the signings Ten Hag made, Manchester United performance is just getting worse, and from the way Manchester United management is silent about Ten Hag's performance, I don’t really think they are ready to let him go. Maybe they still want to give him more time if there will be changes, but I don’t think Ten Hag is just the right coach for Manchester United, and it’s better they let him go early before things get worse.

The Manchester United disappointing performance started before they signed Ten Hag, but the hype on Ten Hag due to his performance at Ajax made us think that he wil outperform the likes Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, but it turn out to be the other way round since Arteta of Arsenal have more team development and tactics than Ten Hag.
However, Ten Hag have two titles achievements to show to backup his performance in the two seasons he has coached Manchester United, but the team.s performance is not going well as fan expected because Premier League and the Champions League performance is the main thing a big team is after, but since Ten Hag take over Manchester united, his Champions League/Europa League performances are very poor, he won just on match out of ten which is very bad for big team like Manchester United.

I will also be expecting the Manchester United management to sack Ten Hag because the team deserves a coach that can be able to utilize the young players they spent money to bring into the team.

I think Man United management is waiting for Ten Hag's contract to expire, so it will not cost much money, because terminating the contract means that Man United will most likely spend the money written in the contract of both parties, so it is better for Man United to wait for his term of service to expire rather than terminating his contract, we also do not know whether Man United's financial condition is good or not because when Ten Hag served as head coach, Man United was always generous in shopping for players and even the players who were brought in had very large salaries, so we have to look at that, and not be careless in firing the coach.

[SatoPrincess]

The current squad rotation mechanism Liverpool manager Arne Slot is using is making it very difficult for Premier League Fantasy managers to rightly predict players that'll start their league games. Not only is he rotating the attacking line but he's also rotating the defense line just like he decided to start Tsimikas ahead of the club's regular left back Andy Robertson. The decision to leave Luiz Diaz out of his starting XI was very surprising but since he's the manager, there's nothing that can be done about it as he was able to grab all three points at the end of the day. The result of today's English Premier League games wasn't that entertaining if you ask me but I believe tomorrow's games will give more entertaining results

Arne Slot is the manager he has the right to pick his starting line up in every game until it fails to provide positive result. I think Arne Slot understands that the team has a long schedule of games and is only trying to manage his team in the best possible way possible to be fit for the games ahead. The decision to leave Luiz Diaz worked for him, the manager is not going to leave his best players to the risk of injury or fatigue just to please FPL players.

[Oluwa-btc]

Hey! I remember last season you defended Ten Hag and argued that he was a good, suitable manager for United. Judging by your message, you haven't changed your mind?
I wonder when you will start blaming him specifically? I understand that bad results are always a complex problem, but is Ten Hag really not guilty of anything again?

I Did! No manager will do well with the setbacks and injuries Manchester United faced last season. I'm convinced he is a good coach and tactically sound manager that's because, I watched Manchester United game in game out during his first season, I saw everything even though I didn't when he was manager of Ajax. I feel like Manchester United are tryna rebuild the club, standards dropped and other stuff's but he needs time, one day everything will definitely click. I don't need to convince no one about him. I didn't see people bashing and lashing out criticize him during his first season, why though?!

[ajanwalker]

It would not be an exaggeration to say that Manchester United has forgotten the victory since the beginning of the season.
I don't understand why management still insists on Erik Ten Hag.
After the national matches, they have a match with Fenerbahçe in Istanbul and Manu will be the favorite in this match, but I think Fenerbahçe will win.

[TastyChillySauce00]

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-board-meeting-cvh30fhwb

It's official!!!!! Ten Hag survives from getting axed by INEOS. He may be leaving once his contract expires. But, I think it's an understandable decision. He helped his club win two trophies. This may be why they were reluctant to sack him.

Also, I'm shocked Manchester United gave Ten Hag a one-year extension. They may be ready to give him additional money to rebuild his club again.

It seems the rest of clubs are celebrating this now.

[SatoPrincess]

 

I saw both teams played offensive and implement tight defense, so that situation made some player do physical confrontation on the fields as seen at the end of the match. yes, Villa is more bit have much ball possession maybe because play at their home. On other situation, Unai strategy is look better than ten hag when I look how their winger supply the ball to attacker, but again, The MU defense is tight. And another factor is unlucky, they didn't get a chance to shoot the ball in accurately because always blocked by MU defender, and vice versa it happen also when MU counterattacks to Aston Villa. But we don't know what happened to tenhag with this result?, is he got fired or still continue?

I just won bet it draw

Congratulations on winning the bet. I would have never guessed that game would end in a draw. Surprisingly Aston Villa decided to adopt a defensive strategy to play against Manchester United. I was expecting Aston Villa to play pressing football and try to break United’s defense.

Erik Ten Hag is still manager of Manchester United. It was speculated that this game was going to be the decider for ETH future at Manchester United. I guess a draw against Aston Villa is a positive sign for Manchester United bosses.

[Odusko]

It would not be an exaggeration to say that Manchester United has forgotten the victory since the beginning of the season.
I don't understand why management still insists on Erik Ten Hag.
After the national matches, they have a match with Fenerbahçe in Istanbul and Manu will be the favorite in this match, but I think Fenerbahçe will win.

The management currently have no option if they sack Ten Hag, and they still believe he can do better since he has won them two trophies with squad that is not as strong as the team they currently have, maybe they still think he can do better since it is not too late, and if all the new players get to themselves, they can do better because frankly speaking, Manchester United have good squad and the young players can do well if they are properly managed.

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-board-meeting-cvh30fhwb

It's official!!!!! Ten Hag survives getting axed by INEOS. He may be leaving once his contract expires. But, I think it's an understandable decision. He helped his club win two trophies. This may be why they were reluctant to sack him.

Also, I'm shocked Manchester United gave Ten Hag a one-year extension. They may be ready to give him additional money to rebuild his club again.

It seems the rest of clubs are celebrating this now.

He survived it for a while before they get perfect replacement for him. Thomas Tuchel can be a perfect replacement since he have experience of coaching big teams, or they can try Alonso if he will be willing to leave Leverkusen after this season.

[MainIbem]

https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-board-meeting-cvh30fhwb

It's official!!!!! Ten Hag survives getting axed by INEOS. He may be leaving once his contract expires. But, I think it's an understandable decision. He helped his club win two trophies. This may be why they were reluctant to sack him.

Also, I'm shocked Manchester United gave Ten Hag a one-year extension. They may be ready to give him additional money to rebuild his club again.

It seems the rest of clubs are celebrating this now.

Helping Manchester United to win the Fa Cup and Carabao Cup is a big excuse by the board for not sacking Ten Hag despite his poor stats this season, I think the truth of the matter is that they're not willing to pay him off since the league is still fresh and getting another manager or an interim manager would cost then another fee again, so they're not ready to start a negotiation with another manager therefore they've decided to give him more time to see if he'll transform the current state of the team to something better before the next transfer window. Even though the news says Erik Ten Hag have been pardoned, I think more pressure would still be on him cause the board would be taking note of whether the team would make progress in their performance after the transfer window and won't fail to kick him out if there's no changes before the January window.