Whats happening with Betnomi?

[Hispo]

thus the negative won't shown on their page from their perspective.

The digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

I also noticed they were active on 6th of this month, I tried to see if they posted anything regarding all this mess, but I could not find anything when I checked.

By the way, what is even the point of doing such a thing like trying to manipulate trust in such way, knowing it wont solve anything?
Is there a possibility there are trying to make all the trust not to appear for themselves, so they can sell the account to someone who is unaware of their scam? It would make sense if they are trying to deceive someone who believes to be buying a neutral-trust high rank account here...

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[avp2306]

thus the negative won't shown on their page from their perspective.

The digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

I also noticed they were active on 6th of this month, I tried to see if they posted anything regarding all this mess, but I could not find anything when I checked.

By the way, what is even the point of doing such a thing like trying to manipulate trust in such way, knowing it wont solve anything?
Is there a possibility there are trying to make all the trust not to appear for themselves, so they can sell the account to someone who is unaware of their scam? It would make sense if they are trying to deceive someone who believes to be buying a neutral-trust high rank account here...

Elite forum users will easily notice that if there's sudden changes on forum activity and that will not be missed if there's possibilities of selling high ranking account here. And also many already know about past incident happen so if there's attempt to deceive people I'm sure that it will not succeed here. To many people have excellent minds towards such schemes so I also think that there's nothing to.worry about that.

[holydarkness]

I also noticed they were active on 6th of this month, I tried to see if they posted anything regarding all this mess, but I could not find anything when I checked.

By the way, what is even the point of doing such a thing like trying to manipulate trust in such way, knowing it wont solve anything?
Is there a possibility there are trying to make all the trust not to appear for themselves, so they can sell the account to someone who is unaware of their scam? It would make sense if they are trying to deceive someone who believes to be buying a neutral-trust high rank account here...

No, it would not make sense for three reasons.

One, the chaos that ensue when they left lingered for a quite long time and echoed probably to a lot of boards on this forum. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of users heard about the case.

Two, even if someone happened to be clueless about the case and interested to buy the account, they will appraise the account from their own, or from a guest account, and not from betnomi's own [I extremely doubted betnomi will, "here's the account, here's the password, see our trust score for yourself and then kindly return the account to us"] and the trust [and newbie flag] will still be there.

Three, I don't see a reason for buy an account with such a specific name tied to a brand. Never buy an account here, so I wouldn't know, but I assume they'll prefer an account named "popcorn123" or "rachel_something" than a "betnomi"

[Hispo]

I also noticed they were active on 6th of this month, I tried to see if they posted anything regarding all this mess, but I could not find anything when I checked.

By the way, what is even the point of doing such a thing like trying to manipulate trust in such way, knowing it wont solve anything?
Is there a possibility there are trying to make all the trust not to appear for themselves, so they can sell the account to someone who is unaware of their scam? It would make sense if they are trying to deceive someone who believes to be buying a neutral-trust high rank account here...

No, it would not make sense for three reasons.

One, the chaos that ensue when they left lingered for a quite long time and echoed probably to a lot of boards on this forum. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of users heard about the case.

Two, even if someone happened to be clueless about the case and interested to buy the account, they will appraise the account from their own, or from a guest account, and not from betnomi's own [I extremely doubted betnomi will, "here's the account, here's the password, see our trust score for yourself and then kindly return the account to us"] and the trust [and newbie flag] will still be there.

Three, I don't see a reason for buy an account with such a specific name tied to a brand. Never buy an account here, so I wouldn't know, but I assume they'll prefer an account named "popcorn123" or "rachel_something" than a "betnomi"

From all you points, I believe the third one is the most likely to hold anyone from buying his account, because there are real chances much people around here being clueless on this situation and also, as far as I understand how the trust system works, it would take someone to be logged on to appreciate their negative feedback, some potential buyer without an account and seeing Betnomi's posts could be fooled.

Though, the name  of the account should, at least, raise a red flag and prompt anyone to search for it on the internet.
But if they do not intend to sell their account, what other reason would they have to do such apparently meaningless move...?

[cicadasTR]

No one was paid to defend them

icopress was. Zero responsibility taken of course. Grifting in the crypto world must be the easiest job in the world.

Well, Ico was paid to promote them, not to defend them, it's a big difference... and through some promotions & bonuses, signature campaigns & sponsored events, we all promoted Betnomi, but all that was a positive experience we had while we participated in all of that attractive stuff on the site. Who could have guessed that they would disappear just like that?

It wasn't up to me or anyone from here that things went the wrong way... some of us lost more or less with this as well. From each of us, you could see many warnings about responsible gambling, and even we get into problems from time to time. Nobody is "bulletproof" here.

You just need to check the betnomi thread to see it wasn't exactly promoting rather than defending. And they can answer for themselves if they weren't ducking this thread. Like I said, funny how everyone is absolved of responsibility when it all goes wrong.

[holydarkness]

From all you points, I believe the third one is the most likely to hold anyone from buying his account, because there are real chances much people around here being clueless on this situation and also, as far as I understand how the trust system works, it would take someone to be logged on to appreciate their negative feedback, some potential buyer without an account and seeing Betnomi's posts could be fooled.

Nope, the type-1 flag will still be there and welcoming them once they see betnomi's post. After all, that's the specific purpose of the flag, to warn newbies and guests.

Though, the name  of the account should, at least, raise a red flag and prompt anyone to search for it on the internet.
But if they do not intend to sell their account, what other reason would they have to do such apparently meaningless move...?

Boredom? Or, the digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

[iv4n]

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You just need to check the betnomi thread to see it wasn't exactly promoting rather than defending. And they can answer for themselves if they weren't ducking this thread. Like I said, funny how everyone is absolved of responsibility when it all goes wrong.

Well, I was active in that thread, and I had a good time playing poker on Betnomi with some other forum members... and it was the only place where I could play "Farkle". I take responsibility, I played there and I had some quality time, and I wrote about that... like many others. Their disappearance was a surprise for all of us here.

Nobody is "ducking" this thread, it's pointless to discuss it more... I think that only some serious legal action against the Betnomi team can finish this story. But who is eager to spend money on that? That's why crypto gambling is like a "wild west", we all gamble with crypto casinos.

[yahoo62278]

No one was paid to defend them

icopress was. Zero responsibility taken of course. Grifting in the crypto world must be the easiest job in the world.

Well, Ico was paid to promote them, not to defend them, it's a big difference... and through some promotions & bonuses, signature campaigns & sponsored events, we all promoted Betnomi, but all that was a positive experience we had while we participated in all of that attractive stuff on the site. Who could have guessed that they would disappear just like that?

It wasn't up to me or anyone from here that things went the wrong way... some of us lost more or less with this as well. From each of us, you could see many warnings about responsible gambling, and even we get into problems from time to time. Nobody is "bulletproof" here.

You just need to check the betnomi thread to see it wasn't exactly promoting rather than defending. And they can answer for themselves if they weren't ducking this thread. Like I said, funny how everyone is absolved of responsibility when it all goes wrong.

You're just a bundle of negativity in everything you comment in aren't you. When someone is promoting a site, they cannot and will not be held responsible if the site scams as long as when a big scam is proven they stop promoting. It's impossible to know if/when a site can or will scam.

Now by big scam I mean more than a few accusations in the scam section because we all know that 90% of the accusations in there are total bs. Big scam like what's going on now, the exit scam.

Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

[cicadasTR]

No one was paid to defend them

icopress was. Zero responsibility taken of course. Grifting in the crypto world must be the easiest job in the world.

Well, Ico was paid to promote them, not to defend them, it's a big difference... and through some promotions & bonuses, signature campaigns & sponsored events, we all promoted Betnomi, but all that was a positive experience we had while we participated in all of that attractive stuff on the site. Who could have guessed that they would disappear just like that?

It wasn't up to me or anyone from here that things went the wrong way... some of us lost more or less with this as well. From each of us, you could see many warnings about responsible gambling, and even we get into problems from time to time. Nobody is "bulletproof" here.

You just need to check the betnomi thread to see it wasn't exactly promoting rather than defending. And they can answer for themselves if they weren't ducking this thread. Like I said, funny how everyone is absolved of responsibility when it all goes wrong.

You're just a bundle of negativity in everything you comment in aren't you. When someone is promoting a site, they cannot and will not be held responsible if the site scams as long as when a big scam is proven they stop promoting. It's impossible to know if/when a site can or will scam.

Now by big scam I mean more than a few accusations in the scam section because we all know that 90% of the accusations in there are total bs. Big scam like what's going on now, the exit scam.

Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

I'm just not a bootlicker for gambling sites. Didn't you also 'promote' for Betnomi at one point?

[yahoo62278]

I'm just not a bootlicker for gambling sites. Didn't you also 'promote' for Betnomi at one point?

I did and decided to move on as I had some disagreements with the owner and their timetable for paying staff. Same goes for me though, I had an agreement with Betnomi at the time that all promotion would cease if a legitimate scam popped up against them. While I was working with the site, no scam accusation was ignored to my knowledge.

I don't want you to be a bootlicker or whatever. I would rather a user post their opinion, positive or negative, so i'm not necessarily getting on your case but I feel your blame is misguided partially.

I'm not aware of the details of all the deals people working with Betnomi had, but I know they weren't out to try and help users get scammed. An argument could have been made that they maybe should have stopped a few weeks sooner I suppose, but I think it's fair to say that they were not 100% an exit scam was about to happen. They had faith that the owner would make it right as that was his pattern for a couple years. Late or delayed, but always came through.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

[Betwrong]

~ Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.

[cicadasTR]

I'm just not a bootlicker for gambling sites. Didn't you also 'promote' for Betnomi at one point?

I did and decided to move on as I had some disagreements with the owner and their timetable for paying staff. Same goes for me though, I had an agreement with Betnomi at the time that all promotion would cease if a legitimate scam popped up against them. While I was working with the site, no scam accusation was ignored to my knowledge.

I don't want you to be a bootlicker or whatever. I would rather a user post their opinion, positive or negative, so i'm not necessarily getting on your case but I feel your blame is misguided partially.

I'm not aware of the details of all the deals people working with Betnomi had, but I know they weren't out to try and help users get scammed. An argument could have been made that they maybe should have stopped a few weeks sooner I suppose, but I think it's fair to say that they were not 100% an exit scam was about to happen. They had faith that the owner would make it right as that was his pattern for a couple years. Late or delayed, but always came through.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

That's a charitable read. The ones that got paid to promote? They were on the betnomi thread, making all kinds of excuses when there was complaints. That makes them culpable.

Those same people, by the way, will now go on to shill for someone else, with that same poor judgment.

[yahoo62278]

~ Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.

I'm only able to speculate as to the actual amount that may have been the total scammed. The site was mainly dead like I said though so it's hard to imagine many just left big balances sitting there.

A few of you who participated in the poker tourneys and maybe a few sports bettors is my guess.

[LTU_btc]

I'm only able to speculate as to the actual amount that may have been the total scammed. The site was mainly dead like I said though so it's hard to imagine many just left big balances sitting there.

A few of you who participated in the poker tourneys and maybe a few sports bettors is my guess.

I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.
Maybe they looked more or less dead, but just regular members like me, Betwrong and others had few hundreds on our ballances. And I suppose that there was some whales on website with big ballances. But I can't even make proper scam accusation because I don't know how much exactly I had on my ballance and there is no way how I can find transaction(s) of deposits to my account.

[logfiles]

$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.

It's possibly around the 20K range for the exit scam, but it could have been a little more if they were selectively scamming all along. If the amount was in millions of USD, we would have seen a lot of noise on sites like reddit, trustpilot, casinoguru, askgamblers and this forum.

For a website that was already struggling, I would say it's just the unlucky few that got struck by the exit scam.

[efialtis]

Not that it changes anything but... I think some people around here aren`t being 100% honest - guys, with all the shit that Betnomi (aka Sorsis) have/has been pulling, how can you state it was totally "normal" to keep supporting them? Sorry, the red flags have been right there, for a long time. I am not saying that any bitcointalk user is responsible for Betnomi`s shit but let`s just not pretend... Fact is, as long as there was money to be squeezed, people were definitely ready to look past the issues. And this is a general phenomenon on bitcointalk, actually.

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I mean, I did put a flag up because some stuff I had seen and experienced regarding payments; but since the amount (not the %) was small, people did sort of ignore it. Besides that, the stuff that happened with gosu/efialtis is public; and we did list them in the blacklist for some of those reasons aswell. And some people may also remember that one time a passport was posted here in the forum to mock a user trying to pass KYC under the premise that "it was not his real passport"...

I will go agree that not everything about the site was bad; but all in all, and after some experience I've gained on the industry ever since, I'd be confident to say that most of that was something that should be considered standard, and not something out of the ordinary.

And well, of course everything looks different in hindsight; but would have there really been a point in coming to the forum every day to talk about what people had been ignoring? would it have changed a thing? guess we'll never know

Thank you - let`s also not forget:

- the generally unprofessional attitude
- the constant "change of plans" with regard to betnomi
- the ICO
- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)
- and the list could go on and on

There is a reason why we stopped promoting them a long time ago, including blacklisting. I was more than "understanding" and actually gave them the benefit of the doubt, more than once, but they kept proving how right I was... I had them negatively tagged as well and if I remember correctly, some people on here actually put me on "distrust" because I spoke out against them. Last but not least, in recent months, I actually posted more than once in their thread that I do not see a single reason why anyone in his right mind would keep depositing funds on that site and that people should refrain from doing so.

Tbh, I do not think there is anything else we could have done in order to protect the people of this forum as well as visitors of our website.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since - and it doesn`t include personal (horrible) experience with Sorsis either.

Edit: It should also be explicitly mentioned that I don't want to present myself as an angel or something... Why have I not participated in any Betnomi related games/tournaments/contests/challenges for a very long time, even if I was invited by other users? The answer is above...

[cicadasTR]

Not that it changes anything but... I think some people around here aren`t being 100% honest - guys, with all the shit that Betnomi (aka Sorsis) have/has been pulling, how can you state it was totally "normal" to keep supporting them? Sorry, the red flags have been right there, for a long time. I am not saying that any bitcointalk user is responsible for Betnomi`s shit but let`s just not pretend... Fact is, as long as there was money to be squeezed, people were definitely ready to look past the issues. And this is a general phenomenon on bitcointalk, actually.

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I mean, I did put a flag up because some stuff I had seen and experienced regarding payments; but since the amount (not the %) was small, people did sort of ignore it. Besides that, the stuff that happened with gosu/efialtis is public; and we did list them in the blacklist for some of those reasons aswell. And some people may also remember that one time a passport was posted here in the forum to mock a user trying to pass KYC under the premise that "it was not his real passport"...

I will go agree that not everything about the site was bad; but all in all, and after some experience I've gained on the industry ever since, I'd be confident to say that most of that was something that should be considered standard, and not something out of the ordinary.

And well, of course everything looks different in hindsight; but would have there really been a point in coming to the forum every day to talk about what people had been ignoring? would it have changed a thing? guess we'll never know

Thank you - let`s also not forget:

- the generally unprofessional attitude
- the constant "change of plans" with regard to betnomi
- the ICO
- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)
- and the list could go on and on

There is a reason why we stopped promoting them a long time ago, including blacklisting. I was more than "understanding" and actually gave them the benefit of the doubt, more than once, but they kept proving how right I was... I had them negatively tagged as well and if I remember correctly, some people on here actually put me on "distrust" because I spoke out against them. Last but not least, in recent months, I actually posted more than once in their thread that I do not see a single reason why anyone in his right mind would keep depositing funds on that site and that people should refrain from doing so.

Tbh, I do not think there is anything else we could have done in order to protect the people of this forum as well as visitors of our website.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since - and it doesn`t include personal (horrible) experience with Sorsis either.

Edit: It should also be explicitly mentioned that I don't want to present myself as an angel or something... Why have I not participated in any Betnomi related games/tournaments/contests/challenges for a very long time, even if I was invited by other users? The answer is above...

Think if this place got rid of promotions, and those signatures that everyone has, this wouldn't happen. I doubt this forum would be able to function without it now though. Which suggests a real problem.

[Mahdirakib]

I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.

Betnomi had a small number of active gamblers, even it was decreasing gradually for their poor services. I believe their casino and sportsbook weren't able to generate as much profit as they were spending to run the casino. Eventually, they found it better to close the casino with the funds of the user. Based on the reports of 4-5 users in Bitcointalk forum, they had almost $50k on their Betnomi account in total.

• 0.9 BTC of GekkeBelg
• $20k of Stayzor
• €5.3k of boroBTC
• 300 USDT of marcloig
• Unknown amount of illmatic010101

BTW, Casino Guru has marked Betnomi as a 'closed casino'.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since

I myself faced the withdrawal delay issue at Betnomi, but some forum members still believe that there was no withdrawal delays or issues on Betnomi.

[efialtis]

I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.

Betnomi had a small number of active gamblers, even it was decreasing gradually for their poor services. I believe their casino and sportsbook weren't able to generate as much profit as they were spending to run the casino. Eventually, they found it better to close the casino with the funds of the user. Based on the reports of 4-5 users in Bitcointalk forum, they had almost $50k on their Betnomi account in total.

• 0.9 BTC of GekkeBelg
• $20k of Stayzor
• €5.3k of boroBTC
• 300 USDT of marcloig
• Unknown amount of illmatic010101

BTW, Casino Guru has marked Betnomi as a 'closed casino'.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since

I myself faced the withdrawal delay issue at Betnomi, but some forum members still believe that there was no withdrawal delays or issues on Betnomi.

They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever... heck, they didn`t even pay their employees and partners... go figure 

[Csmiami]

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They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever...

I actually believed, and to this day still do, that the delays always came when the market was the "most unstable", and that they purposelly held onto the funds to "pay less BTC for the same $". So if it was something premeditated, not really "an issue"