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Question: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season Winner?  (Voting closed: September 30, 2023, 07:23:36 AM)
Sevilla (if they go down from UCL) - 6 (33.3%)
Other team coming from UCL - 2 (11.1%)
Liverpool - 8 (44.4%)
Roma - 0 (0%)
Villarreal - 1 (5.6%)
Marseille - 0 (0%)
Sporting - 0 (0%)
Other - 1 (5.6%)
Total Voters: 18

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October 18, 2023, 04:09:53 PM
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But the weird thing about Mourinho is that he neither stupid nor unable to adapt new strategies to make his teams successful again. I wonder what his reasoning is for doing the same again and again even when he has to realize that football has changed and he should also adjust some things. But when you compare the Mourinho from today with the Mourinho from years ago, he also seems to be less passionate about his job. I don't know but some of his inner fire seems to have vanished. He was going crazy in some games in the past, but now it rarely happens and if he goes crazy he is mostly attacking the referees and that's it.

As I said, I rarely watch matches presented in the Serie A League. In fact, I rarely watch match after match played by AS Roma with Moirinho. But, that doesn't mean we can't look at data and statistics to examine it. Well, we don't even dare to say that Mourinho is a stupid coach, because after all he has led several teams to win various trophies.
Based on my point of view, Jose Mourinho has tried to adapt to a more modern style of football. He also often uses patterns like those used by other coaches, namely, 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2. Unfortunately, the system he implements always has the same characteristics. I don't know why he did it like that, we can even refer to the matches where they played against Leverkusen and Sevilla last season. So, let's see whether Mourinho will remain at AS Roma, because the rumors are currently talking about him quite fast. So, for now, let's save the Jose Mourinho drama.

Talking about AS Roma's match on the third matchday, they should be able to beat Slavalia Praha. Moreover, the match will be held at the Stadio Olimpico, AS Roma's home ground. thus, they will occupy first place in the G group phase.

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October 18, 2023, 04:16:40 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match



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Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match
I don't doubt Liverpool in the group stage, in fact I really believe they can take all the points from every match to qualify for the next round. I might doubt Liverpool when they are drawn against a team that is actually more stable than the team they played against in the group stage, but let's see who their opponents will be.

Liverpool are one of the favorites in the Europa League this season, but you shouldn't forget that there are several other teams coming down from the Champions League who are also ready to win the Europa League title. Last season Sevilla managed to win the title after they failed to make it out of the Champions League group stage, so I think other teams also have a chance even though Liverpool are currently the favourites.

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October 18, 2023, 04:25:34 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match



Liverpool is currently the favorite in the European league. I don't think they will easily lose a match until the semi-finals. It may be a difficult match, but in terms of quality, they are far above every team in the European league. I don't see any team in their group that will challenge them. It would be a big surprise if they lose points.

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October 18, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
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At least they have had a bit of an uptrend the last three games. I thought that Mourinho is about to get sacked, but I guess that winning three games in a row with 10:1 goals helped him save his position, although I am unsure whether Mourinho is interested at all to fulfill his contract with Roma or whether he would be happy about getting sacked. I think he hasn't been the coach he used to be for quite a while now and sometimes when you watch him, it looks like he is following the game with some kind of disinterest. I would be surprised if we don't soon see him making a lot of money in Saudi Arabia. To me it seems that this is what he is waiting for.
AS Roma have started on the wrong foot this season, 3W 2D 3L is really a poor start for them but they are quite doing an exceptional work in Europa League. That's specifically what's triggering the team's level of football and will continue to grow. José Mourinho is a genius and have saved his position as headcoach countless times. AS Roma respects him because he has worked extremely hard to earn it. Winning the Europa Conference League title with Roma and earning them accumulative points in Seria A despite the tough competition among elite teams.
Roma did start the season quite badly. But slowly now they have improved. And in the last 3 matches, AS Roma also won everything. And in the European League, Roma has not yet lost. So for me Mourinho is still very worthy of being kept. Because after all, AS Roma didn't buy many expensive players in the transfer market yesterday. And Mourinho just maximizes every player the squad has. Lukaku's arrival to the team has had a positive impact and it looks like Roma will indeed get better from now on. It's okay to start badly as long as you can end the season well.
In these two matches Roma managed to get landslide victory and they managed to save 6 points the same as their rivals in Group G namely Slavia Prague who also had two wins.
But in the third match they will meet and we can see later which of the two is the strongest in group G but some people make Roma the favorite to beat Slavia Prague and take first place in group G and I am sure that Roma can still be relied on for this season Europa League.

Even though they didn't perform very well in Serie A Mourinho managed to give his best for Roma in the Europa League and this could be one of Roma advantages.
However for Lukaku he will also get better in the future in contrast to last season and now Lukaku looks very enthusiastic in every match whether playing for the Belgian national team or Roma.
With Lukaku performance improving it can be confirmed that Roma will have an increasingly stronger front line.

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October 18, 2023, 05:13:30 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match


Obviously, that Liverpool will be the winner of group E in this Europa League group stage, considering the teams in group E do not have the quality to be able to thwart Liverpool. So yes, of course Liverpool will be able to go further in this Europa League and maybe, Liverpool will also prioritize being able to win the Europa League trophy this season. Because yes, I think the title competition in the Premier League is also difficult and therefore, it would be appropriate I think if Liverpool could focus more on the Europa League also this season.

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October 18, 2023, 05:52:12 PM
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At least they have had a bit of an uptrend the last three games. I thought that Mourinho is about to get sacked, but I guess that winning three games in a row with 10:1 goals helped him save his position, although I am unsure whether Mourinho is interested at all to fulfill his contract with Roma or whether he would be happy about getting sacked. I think he hasn't been the coach he used to be for quite a while now and sometimes when you watch him, it looks like he is following the game with some kind of disinterest. I would be surprised if we don't soon see him making a lot of money in Saudi Arabia. To me it seems that this is what he is waiting for.
AS Roma have started on the wrong foot this season, 3W 2D 3L is really a poor start for them but they are quite doing an exceptional work in Europa League. That's specifically what's triggering the team's level of football and will continue to grow. José Mourinho is a genius and have saved his position as headcoach countless times. AS Roma respects him because he has worked extremely hard to earn it. Winning the Europa Conference League title with Roma and earning them accumulative points in Seria A despite the tough competition among elite teams.
Roma did start the season quite badly. But slowly now they have improved. And in the last 3 matches, AS Roma also won everything. And in the European League, Roma has not yet lost. So for me Mourinho is still very worthy of being kept. Because after all, AS Roma didn't buy many expensive players in the transfer market yesterday. And Mourinho just maximizes every player the squad has. Lukaku's arrival to the team has had a positive impact and it looks like Roma will indeed get better from now on. It's okay to start badly as long as you can end the season well.
Roma had a slow start to the season but are now back on a winning streak. If the stats of the last few matches are anything to go by, the stats of the last few matches are in their favour. Although they got off to a slow start in the Italian league, they performed well in the Europa League group stage matches. They have earned 6 points in the first two matches of the Europa League. Having won the first two matches of the Europa League, their second round is already assured, now only the third match awaits. Roma will be looking to match the performance they have had in their first two matches in the Europa League this season, and will certainly look to match their third match to secure the next round from their group as an unbeaten team.
Yeah the Jose maurinho's side started on a slow pace this season, especially on their league, there performance hasn't been too impressive, considering the fact that the special one is now in charge. But I think they are the favourite to win Europa League considering their consistency in performance in the last few games, they really pose a threat to other teams.

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October 18, 2023, 07:05:02 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match



They finished with wins in both matches they played in the group. Now they have 2 tough Toulouse matches ahead of them. They will have to be more careful not to lose points, especially in the match in France, because away matches can be very difficult. To avoid any surprises, Liverpool should pay as much attention to the UEL as they do to the Premier League.
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October 18, 2023, 07:27:57 PM
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Yeah the Jose maurinho's side started on a slow pace this season, especially on their league, there performance hasn't been too impressive, considering the fact that the special one is now in charge. But I think they are the favourite to win Europa League considering their consistency in performance in the last few games, they really pose a threat to other teams.
AS Roma side record poor starting this season but with the few previous winnings, I can boldly say they're back to winning ways. They've a good experience coach, José Mourinho doesn't relent because he's highly intellectual for football related strategies, he recognized his team's poor weaknesses and surf out instant solution to amend the team's performance. AS Roma might not be in good shape but they can boldly face tougher sides this season, already having one of the best performance in Europa League this season. They fall in the category to become favorites to win the title.

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October 18, 2023, 07:36:20 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match
Jurgen klopp is a very determined coach with an outstanding team aswell, they have put up several brilliant and outstanding performance in the premier league, UCL and now the Europa, although they are very good but I don't think it will be possible the get these three league titles this season, it really going to be hectic on klopp, if he achieves one and champions league along side I think he can say it's been a good season.

They may not be optimal at all their performance as the schedule may be tight and probably make some players fatigue prone, but it's most easier if they target two out of these three and direct much energy at them and strive to finish tops on the other, that way it will seem more achievable than it will when they are trying to get all three leagues as others too are wishing for same.

Their performance do far in the Europa has been really good and one which we can say is promising if coupled with consistency, they are most likely to have chance's with the Europa than they could possibly have with oders currently but then let's hope klopp's strategy will be good enough to get him something by the end of this season.

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October 18, 2023, 07:48:10 PM
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AS Roma have started on the wrong foot this season, 3W 2D 3L is really a poor start for them but they are quite doing an exceptional work in Europa League. That's specifically what's triggering the team's level of football and will continue to grow. José Mourinho is a genius and have saved his position as headcoach countless times. AS Roma respects him because he has worked extremely hard to earn it. Winning the Europa Conference League title with Roma and earning them accumulative points in Seria A despite the tough competition among elite teams.
Roma did start the season quite badly. But slowly now they have improved. And in the last 3 matches, AS Roma also won everything. And in the European League, Roma has not yet lost. So for me Mourinho is still very worthy of being kept. Because after all, AS Roma didn't buy many expensive players in the transfer market yesterday. And Mourinho just maximizes every player the squad has. Lukaku's arrival to the team has had a positive impact and it looks like Roma will indeed get better from now on. It's okay to start badly as long as you can end the season well.
I think they just had a bad start because they were quite upset about last season and that is understandable but they are getting to build up the team morale back again and the chemistry back again, plus they played up until the very last day, everyone was playing at all times, they must have taken some serious vacation to get better and that may have caused a lot of people to end up with a bad result.

I think it should be something that would take a bit of time and could get a little longer than they expected it but it finally clicked back again. Roma is managed by Mourinho, one of the all time best managers we know, and that means the yare lucky to have him and he will not let the team have a terrible season, he will do his very best to take the team as high as he possibly could. This could cause the team to have some bad periods but overall the end result of the season should be a fine one that they could enjoy without a trouble.

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October 18, 2023, 11:15:48 PM
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Teams in the Europa League had better just wish that Sevilla don't come down here.  Grin  You know how dominant Sevilla have been in the Europa League. They are even called as the king of the Europa League for their achievements so far. Sevilla are such an interesting team that they can still win this title even if they have a bad season in the La Liga.

Last season must be a great example for that. Mourinho has an incomplete job to do against them as well. If you remember he was really angry at Anthony Taylor after the finale last season. If Roma and Sevilla find each other here once again then that matchup could be really interesting.  Grin

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October 19, 2023, 06:12:12 AM
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Meanwhile, Sturm Graz, they have to face Atalanta, who are currently in first place in Group C and for Atalanta it is mandatory to be able to get 3 more points in this match to lock in their chances of qualifying for the next round. I think Atalanta and Sporting will still be favorites as group winners and runners up, especially since their opponents are actually quite weak.
I would pick atalanta for this match. Sturm probably can do nothing against atalanta. The superiority owned by atalanta can't be disrupted by its competitors caused by the level owned by atalanta is far higher compared with the rest of clubs in the group.
It is a challenge to envision a scenario where Sturm manages to defeat Atalanta.

Atalanta will definitely steal points in the away match against Sturm Graz later and Atalanta will continue to widen the gap in the group standings. Imagining that Sturm Graz can win against Atalanta is quite impossible and even though we both know that in football anything can still happen, this is not the case with the levels of the two teams being very different. Atalanta in the domestic league is also quite impressive and I think they will continue to be consistent in any competition so that their confidence does not waver.



The bet on Atalanta winning is also not bad and the bookie has given quite big odds @1.99 for Atalanta and host Sturm Graz gets @3.65, it is clear that Atalanta will be favored to win and I have no doubts about betting on Atalanta winning.

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October 20, 2023, 05:29:41 PM
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Yes is a good oportunitie not only to secure a easy title but also to reach the Champions League in case you are not doing so good in the league. I think this year its not the case because i can see a Liverpool tryin to fight for the Premier League title, but still a nice double chance to reach Champions LEague against weakers teams.
Liverpool must be consistent in every match if everything is to be achieved this year, the coach must arrange for each player to be replaced so that there are not many injuries. In the Premier League the competition is quite tight between the top of the standings and not far away in points. In the EUFA league, Liverpool have been quite good in carrying out their duties in this prestigious league in the last 2 matches. They have not lost in the last match


Obviously, that Liverpool will be the winner of group E in this Europa League group stage, considering the teams in group E do not have the quality to be able to thwart Liverpool. So yes, of course Liverpool will be able to go further in this Europa League and maybe, Liverpool will also prioritize being able to win the Europa League trophy this season. Because yes, I think the title competition in the Premier League is also difficult and therefore, it would be appropriate I think if Liverpool could focus more on the Europa League also this season.

Liverpool got a very easy group. I don't even mind to always bet on liverpool caused by it will always be winning the game. It's obviously if liverpool is going to win the game. There's no doubt about that. The quality owned by its competitors are far worst compared with liverpool at this moment. It's very likely liverpool will be going to the final of europa league. Im still waiting for some clubs to come soon. The potential candidates to win europa league will always change depending on the situation in the league.
Liverpool is the most favorite for now but we won't know whether liverpool still becomes the favorite later. The competition will become even tougher starting after the group stage will end. It's caused by some strong clubs will go down.

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October 20, 2023, 07:09:10 PM
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AS Roma side record poor starting this season but with the few previous winnings, I can boldly say they're back to winning ways. They've a good experience coach, José Mourinho doesn't relent because he's highly intellectual for football related strategies, he recognized his team's poor weaknesses and surf out instant solution to amend the team's performance. AS Roma might not be in good shape but they can boldly face tougher sides this season, already having one of the best performance in Europa League this season. They fall in the category to become favorites to win the title.
Jose Mourinho with his vast experience and intellect in the football space is expected to do more with the team he is currently heading, he was nicknamed the choosing one when he achieved great heights with Chelsea, his track record will increase the expectations on him with AS Roma, although AS Roma is not a bad team and their is all tendencies they will improve under Mourinho.

Mourinho knew the weakness of the team immediately he was given the job with the team and that's why he immediately got lukaku one of his best to work with at the front and so far he has been doing greatly, I'm hoping he utilize the next window by winter to get his team fortified and hopefully he can end this season with a trophy.

But then the Europa isn't promising to be an easy one for him as their are the likes of Liverpool and other big teams who may pose possible challenge to him except he will improve his tactics too well to be able to gave them but then hopefully he could finish tops if he has got the good strategy enough.

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October 20, 2023, 07:25:00 PM
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Teams in the Europa League had better just wish that Sevilla don't come down here.  Grin  You know how dominant Sevilla have been in the Europa League. They are even called as the king of the Europa League for their achievements so far. Sevilla are such an interesting team that they can still win this title even if they have a bad season in the La Liga.

Last season must be a great example for that. Mourinho has an incomplete job to do against them as well. If you remember he was really angry at Anthony Taylor after the finale last season. If Roma and Sevilla find each other here once again then that matchup could be really interesting.  Grin

Mourinho was indeed really angry about referee calls in that final match but I'm afraid there is nothing he can do about it from now on.

Roma are playing much better when it comes to European competitions by the way. For example this season they have been better in the Europa League compared to the Serie A. For the the previous two seasons I can say the same thing again. Because they won the Europa Conference League title and made it to the Europa League final stage.

Considering all this I see Roma as one of the biggest title contenders here again.

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October 20, 2023, 07:26:41 PM
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AS Roma side record poor starting this season but with the few previous winnings, I can boldly say they're back to winning ways. They've a good experience coach, José Mourinho doesn't relent because he's highly intellectual for football related strategies, he recognized his team's poor weaknesses and surf out instant solution to amend the team's performance. AS Roma might not be in good shape but they can boldly face tougher sides this season, already having one of the best performance in Europa League this season. They fall in the category to become favorites to win the title.
Jose Mourinho with his vast experience and intellect in the football space is expected to do more with the team he is currently heading, he was nicknamed the choosing one when he achieved great heights with Chelsea, his track record will increase the expectations on him with AS Roma, although AS Roma is not a bad team and their is all tendencies they will improve under Mourinho.

Mourinho knew the weakness of the team immediately he was given the job with the team and that's why he immediately got lukaku one of his best to work with at the front and so far he has been doing greatly, I'm hoping he utilize the next window by winter to get his team fortified and hopefully he can end this season with a trophy.

But then the Europa isn't promising to be an easy one for him as their are the likes of Liverpool and other big teams who may pose possible challenge to him except he will improve his tactics too well to be able to gave them but then hopefully he could finish tops if he has got the good strategy enough.
As Roma might not be performing exceptionally well in the Italian Serie A but Jose Mourinho is one manager that doesn't joke with European matches and has led his Roma side to win the two UEFA Europa League games they've played so far this season.
Having a manager like Jose Mourinho, I think AS Roma are one of the favourite clubs to win the competition this season if you ask me. They have a double header against Slavia Praha and I'm very optimistic that they're gonna win the two games against the Czech club

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October 20, 2023, 07:33:41 PM
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Mourinho was indeed really angry about referee calls in that final match but I'm afraid there is nothing he can do about it from now on.

Roma are playing much better when it comes to European competitions by the way. For example this season they have been better in the Europa League compared to the Serie A. For the the previous two seasons I can say the same thing again. Because they won the Europa Conference League title and made it to the Europa League final stage.

Considering all this I see Roma as one of the biggest title contenders here again.
Conference League could not be compared to Champions League because simply teams are more powerful in Europa League but also there is even more difficult teams joining Europa League from Champions League including Barcelona last season for example making things harder.
Mourinho didn't make Roma stable yet, they have their good moments and their bad ones. In Group G, teams are weaker than Roma and the match vs Slavia Praha next Thursday will be challenging for them since it is the direct competitor for them in this group.

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As Roma might not be performing exceptionally well in the Italian Serie A but Jose Mourinho is one manager that doesn't joke with European matches and has led his Roma side to win the two UEFA Europa League games they've played so far this season.
Having a manager like Jose Mourinho, I think AS Roma are one of the favourite clubs to win the competition this season if you ask me. They have a double header against Slavia Praha and I'm very optimistic that they're gonna win the two games against the Czech club
Roma are favorites in the Europa League this season after they failed last season, they join Atalanta and also Liverpool as favourites. The Mourinho factor can certainly make it superior to other teams, but Roma's performance has been really messy this season. It seems a bit difficult to see Roma qualifying for the final if their performance does not improve, I mean their performance in Serie A will also affect the players' confidence in other competitions.

Roma have improved in the last three games with three wins and they will play against Monza to hope for another good trend. The chance of winning is good, so Mourinho must not waste this opportunity to improve his position in the standings.

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October 20, 2023, 08:50:48 PM
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Atalanta will definitely steal points in the away match against Sturm Graz later and Atalanta will continue to widen the gap in the group standings. Imagining that Sturm Graz can win against Atalanta is quite impossible and even though we both know that in football anything can still happen, this is not the case with the levels of the two teams being very different. Atalanta in the domestic league is also quite impressive and I think they will continue to be consistent in any competition so that their confidence does not waver.



The bet on Atalanta winning is also not bad and the bookie has given quite big odds @1.99 for Atalanta and host Sturm Graz gets @3.65, it is clear that Atalanta will be favored to win and I have no doubts about betting on Atalanta winning.

If I refer to Atalanta, this Serie A league team has won two of its matches in this competition. on the first matchday, Atlanta beat Rakow with a score of 2-0. on the second matchday, Atalanta again beat Sporting with a score of 1-2. Thus, Atalanta's current position is in first place in the group phase with a score of 6 points. while their opposing team will be Sturm Graz. Of the two matches played by Sturm, they lost one and won one of the two matches in this competition.

Referring to these two teams, it is natural that Atalanta is more favored by bookies with odds @1.99. even though in reality, this match will be held at Sturm's headquarters. Honestly, I'm just fumbling between these two teams. because I don't really know much information about the two teams, especially for Sturm Graz. Moreover, if I have to compare, even though Sturm is playing at home, it doesn't look like they are a team that will provide fierce resistance. On the first matchday between Sturm and Sporting, the away team was able to beat them with a score of 1-2. Meanwhile, when Sporting hosted Altalanta, the home team lost with a score of 1-2.

Well, in theory, even though Atalanta will play an away match at their home base of Sturm Graz, on paper Atalanta is more favored to continue their victory in the group D phase. However, because the third matchday will be an important match for the home team. They will go all out to get points and compete to still have a chance of qualifying for the next phase. looking at the available odds, at least Sturm has a slight chance of matching his opposing team on matchday three.
Well, because this match still has a gap of 5 days. It's a good idea for us to wait to ensure the latest information we can get. because, it is possible that Atalanta will not play the full line-up of its core players. So, there is no conclusion at this time before we are really sure about the choice we are going to bet on.

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