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Question: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season Winner?  (Voting closed: September 30, 2023, 07:23:36 AM)
Sevilla (if they go down from UCL) - 6 (33.3%)
Other team coming from UCL - 2 (11.1%)
Liverpool - 8 (44.4%)
Roma - 0 (0%)
Villarreal - 1 (5.6%)
Marseille - 0 (0%)
Sporting - 0 (0%)
Other - 1 (5.6%)
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January 19, 2024, 02:04:10 AM
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Napoli firing their coach because of management’s policy was quite crazy. Why would you let him go after bringing that trophy home after how many years? Well the club board knows what’s best for them, and i think maybe there was a big disagreement between the manager and board which triggered the departure of their former coach Spalletti.
The sacking of coaches after winning trophies happens very often and it raises the question in my mind what is the club board really thinking? There were several coaches who were fired after the previous season brought the club the league championship trophy. Like Conte with Chelsea and Louis Van Gaal with United. But I was more surprised by the dismissal of Zidane with Real Madrid and Matteo with Chelsea. They have given their club the Champions League title which is more prestigious than league champions.

And about Mourinho, I also don't know why Jose was fired. Is it because the club board has high expectations this year for Roma's performance? If yes then I think the club board should be more realistic. I see that Roma is a club that is building its squad and that requires a lot of time for the coach to build good chemistry between the players.

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January 19, 2024, 04:57:52 AM
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The sacking of coaches after winning trophies happens very often and it raises the question in my mind what is the club board really thinking? There were several coaches who were fired after the previous season brought the club the league championship trophy. Like Conte with Chelsea and Louis Van Gaal with United. But I was more surprised by the dismissal of Zidane with Real Madrid and Matteo with Chelsea. They have given their club the Champions League title which is more prestigious than league champions.

And about Mourinho, I also don't know why Jose was fired. Is it because the club board has high expectations this year for Roma's performance? If yes then I think the club board should be more realistic. I see that Roma is a club that is building its squad and that requires a lot of time for the coach to build good chemistry between the players.
There is no need to be too surprised, even though the steps taken by club management are not ideal, firing the coach when he succeeded in bringing his club to become champions because we don't know what happened behind the scenes, only the club and the coach know for sure why there was such an action, and if we considering that there are many more coaches who end up leaving the club even though they have already given them the title and that only happened because of some bad performances in the following season, Thomas Tuchel was one of them when he came to Chelsea when the season was already underway and succeeded in bringing the club to the Champions League title and that is beyond many People's predictions and next season are not a consideration for Chelsea to keep him just because of some poor performances in the league.

Unfortunately for Roma they changed their coach, not with one who is more experienced or who already has a successful career as a coach, and that will be a loss for Roma because De Rossi has minimal experience in European competitions and as a coach he cannot be said to be good and just because he one of Roma legend being considered for his appointment is a bad move in my opinion and Roma leaving the European league early is very possible.

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January 19, 2024, 06:13:22 AM
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Napoli firing their coach because of management’s policy was quite crazy. Why would you let him go after bringing that trophy home after how many years? Well the club board knows what’s best for them, and i think maybe there was a big disagreement between the manager and board which triggered the departure of their former coach Spalletti.
Luciano Spalleti is the former coach who propelled Napoli to their current status as an elite team. Napoli's progress did not take Luciano Spalleti a day or a month, but rather years of tremendous work, and they eventually won the scudetto. However, Luciano Spalleti observed some mismanagement of the club and decided to depart, which appears to be a smart move for himself. Since then, plenty of tremendous challenges have grown and there's no clear proof of a potential coach that would build the club to become stronger than ever before. Do not point fingers or criticize the Napoli board for the poor results they have achieved over the last few months because they're hoping for a rebound of their triumph days.




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January 19, 2024, 06:42:43 AM
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Actually, it is still too early to claim De Rossi's failure. He even still doesn't manage AS Roma for the first match. Although De Rossi has a lack of experience as a professional coach, he has a chance to success with AS Roma. We must be familiar with Zidane, many people also doubt him when he became Real Madrid coach for the first time because he has no experience to be a professional coach previously. However, every one knows that Zidane finally succeed to win many trophies with Real Madrid. I think De Rossi also has the chance to succeed as Zidane ever did. Although the situation is much different, but it is not something impossible. Let's see how De Rossi can manage AS Roma to play against Verona in the upcoming match.


I feel that the decisions taken by Roma management were too quick, if we go back then we will see what achievements Mourinho managed to give to Roma, indeed 4 defeats in a row is very painful but given a little time I think it should be possible so it's an option.
de Rossi is a former Roma player and reportedly he has never been at another club, he has only been given until June 2024 and his first match will be against Verona, while in the European League he and roma squad will face Feyenoord, if Roma still lose then no It was Mourinho's mistake, but the quality of the Roma players is still of the standard.



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January 19, 2024, 08:16:42 AM
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Failure of De Rossi? He has just been signed for the manager position by Roma. Isn't it too early make such assumptions about him? I know that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. But it doesn't mean that De Rossi can't be more successful than Mourinho at the same time. Nobody can know about that.

I would like to give a great example to this situation. After Villas-Boas period at Chelsea Di Matteo was brought to the position in the 2011/12 season. Who could have thought that he would win the Champions League title with Chelsea in his interim manager period there?  Smiley

I don't say that De Rossi would do the same but I mean it is quite possible for him to do better than Mourinho at the same time.

Let's just wait and see what the results will be. I agree with you that we should not underestimate De Rossi even though he has just replaced Mourinho. The club board may have several considerations as to why De Rossi was chosen to replace Mourinho. I can say it won't be the same as Di Matteo at Chelsea before but at least Roma can improve their performance. I think whatever the results of Roma's matches this season we cannot use this as an assessment of De Rossi's performance as a coach. We'll see that next season. It would be very good if De Rossi was able to provide a surprise in the remaining matches this season.

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January 19, 2024, 08:24:38 AM
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Napoli firing their coach because of management’s policy was quite crazy. Why would you let him go after bringing that trophy home after how many years? Well the club board knows what’s best for them, and i think maybe there was a big disagreement between the manager and board which triggered the departure of their former coach Spalletti.
The sacking of coaches after winning trophies happens very often and it raises the question in my mind what is the club board really thinking? There were several coaches who were fired after the previous season brought the club the league championship trophy. Like Conte with Chelsea and Louis Van Gaal with United. But I was more surprised by the dismissal of Zidane with Real Madrid and Matteo with Chelsea. They have given their club the Champions League title which is more prestigious than league champions.

And about Mourinho, I also don't know why Jose was fired. Is it because the club board has high expectations this year for Roma's performance? If yes then I think the club board should be more realistic. I see that Roma is a club that is building its squad and that requires a lot of time for the coach to build good chemistry between the players.
I don't know what the board is thinking, even though they should retain a coach who has made a good contribution and can provide trophies because changing coaches may not necessarily produce the same results as Napoli at the moment. Instead they have experienced a drastic decline after sacking Spalleti and changing 2 coaches since Spalleti's departure but it has not had a significant impact, any problems between the coach and the board should be discussed well and the board should not take decisions that will ultimately destroy the club itself.

Jose Mourinho was fired because perhaps the management felt that Jose Mourinho did not meet their expectations and Roma did not achieve the expected results, whereas perhaps what the board hoped for was that Roma could compete in the Champions League, while Jose Mourinho could only provide competition tickets in the European league, despite Roma's condition. Currently, it is not easy for coaches to build performance and it is true that it takes time which is not for a while.

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January 19, 2024, 09:17:04 AM
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Failure of De Rossi? He has just been signed for the manager position by Roma. Isn't it too early make such assumptions about him? I know that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. But it doesn't mean that De Rossi can't be more successful than Mourinho at the same time. Nobody can know about that.

I would like to give a great example to this situation. After Villas-Boas period at Chelsea Di Matteo was brought to the position in the 2011/12 season. Who could have thought that he would win the Champions League title with Chelsea in his interim manager period there?  Smiley

I don't say that De Rossi would do the same but I mean it is quite possible for him to do better than Mourinho at the same time.

Let's just wait and see what the results will be. I agree with you that we should not underestimate De Rossi even though he has just replaced Mourinho. The club board may have several considerations as to why De Rossi was chosen to replace Mourinho. I can say it won't be the same as Di Matteo at Chelsea before but at least Roma can improve their performance. I think whatever the results of Roma's matches this season we cannot use this as an assessment of De Rossi's performance as a coach. We'll see that next season. It would be very good if De Rossi was able to provide a surprise in the remaining matches this season.
Every new coach who handles a team really needs time to process, especially like De Rossi who handled Roma when the season was already underway.
However, currently there are many doubts from many parties because De Rossi's quality and coaching experience is no better than Jose Mourinho's, so people assume that the decision taken by Roam management was a big mistake.

And because they have changed coaches, Roma's percentage has decreased slightly on the Europa League stage this season.
As we previously knew, Jose Mourinho is an experienced coach and is able to improve the quality of the team on the European stage, and this has been proven in the last 2 seasons he has been with Roma.
However, I don't think De Rossi is capable of doing that, and I also doubt that De Rossi will be able to bring Roma to its best finish in the Europa League this season.

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January 19, 2024, 01:55:01 PM
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The big problem with De Rossi for Rome is one, and that problem is, if he has a bad start you dont have so much time to recover the phase and recover places, because Rome situation right now is also not so good, if you start to lose more terrain and get out of this cup, your season is gonna be a complete failure and maybe without also De Rossi at the end of the season and searching again for a new coach.

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January 19, 2024, 02:24:36 PM
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The big problem with De Rossi for Rome is one, and that problem is, if he has a bad start you dont have so much time to recover the phase and recover places, because Rome situation right now is also not so good, if you start to lose more terrain and get out of this cup, your season is gonna be a complete failure and maybe without also De Rossi at the end of the season and searching again for a new coach.
I believe this will happen, I mean what you can expect for one month with a new coach? it's not even enough to reshuffle the players, they will use a same lineup and probably using a different strategy. But a strategy need to be trained for many many times, so I don't expect any big change with De Rossi.


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January 19, 2024, 03:04:18 PM
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Failure of De Rossi? He has just been signed for the manager position by Roma. Isn't it too early make such assumptions about him? I know that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. But it doesn't mean that De Rossi can't be more successful than Mourinho at the same time. Nobody can know about that.

I would like to give a great example to this situation. After Villas-Boas period at Chelsea Di Matteo was brought to the position in the 2011/12 season. Who could have thought that he would win the Champions League title with Chelsea in his interim manager period there?  Smiley

I don't say that De Rossi would do the same but I mean it is quite possible for him to do better than Mourinho at the same time.

Let's just wait and see what the results will be. I agree with you that we should not underestimate De Rossi even though he has just replaced Mourinho. The club board may have several considerations as to why De Rossi was chosen to replace Mourinho. I can say it won't be the same as Di Matteo at Chelsea before but at least Roma can improve their performance. I think whatever the results of Roma's matches this season we cannot use this as an assessment of De Rossi's performance as a coach. We'll see that next season. It would be very good if De Rossi was able to provide a surprise in the remaining matches this season.
Every new coach who handles a team really needs time to process, especially like De Rossi who handled Roma when the season was already underway.
However, currently there are many doubts from many parties because De Rossi's quality and coaching experience is no better than Jose Mourinho's, so people assume that the decision taken by Roam management was a big mistake.

And because they have changed coaches, Roma's percentage has decreased slightly on the Europa League stage this season.
As we previously knew, Jose Mourinho is an experienced coach and is able to improve the quality of the team on the European stage, and this has been proven in the last 2 seasons he has been with Roma.
However, I don't think De Rossi is capable of doing that, and I also doubt that De Rossi will be able to bring Roma to its best finish in the Europa League this season.
The change of coach a hot topic of discussion that being talked about and I agree with you all any coaches will need time to be able to manage strategies and understand how to improve Roma performance and achieve successful results in the future but let's see first whether de Rossi can get good achievements after serving as coaches Roma and we deserve to give him the first opportunity and the hope supporters of at least Roma must fight harder and be able to compete until final round.

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January 19, 2024, 03:23:59 PM
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The big problem with De Rossi for Rome is one, and that problem is, if he has a bad start you dont have so much time to recover the phase and recover places, because Rome situation right now is also not so good, if you start to lose more terrain and get out of this cup, your season is gonna be a complete failure and maybe without also De Rossi at the end of the season and searching again for a new coach.
I believe this will happen, I mean what you can expect for one month with a new coach? it's not even enough to reshuffle the players, they will use a same lineup and probably using a different strategy. But a strategy need to be trained for many many times, so I don't expect any big change with De Rossi.

I agree with you. I am also not expecting much from De Rossi this season. 40-year-old De Rossi is not an experienced coach. De Rossi has been with Roma for a long time. He probably played 19 consecutive years with Roma. He is aware of the overall situation of the Roma team. But he is inexperienced as a coach.

I don't know why Roma management sacked an experienced coach like Mourinho. Mourinho is a very experienced coach. Roma's squad does not have enough experienced players so their performances have been poor and erratic. Coach Mourinho cannot be blamed for this. I don't think Roma's performance will improve with new coach De Rossi. I think we will see further deterioration of Roma's performance.

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January 19, 2024, 03:49:56 PM
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Failure of De Rossi? He has just been signed for the manager position by Roma. Isn't it too early make such assumptions about him? I know that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. But it doesn't mean that De Rossi can't be more successful than Mourinho at the same time. Nobody can know about that.

I would like to give a great example to this situation. After Villas-Boas period at Chelsea Di Matteo was brought to the position in the 2011/12 season. Who could have thought that he would win the Champions League title with Chelsea in his interim manager period there?  Smiley

I don't say that De Rossi would do the same but I mean it is quite possible for him to do better than Mourinho at the same time.

Enough predictions and lamentations from too many users already, let's five the big man the time he deserves, at least how the team plays in the next few days would give us a clearer pathway, insight and picture of what he can definitely do for As Roma. With the fans at home, so much has been expected in his debut.

Chelsea are known for sacking managers who finally won them the Champions League Competition that season or the next. It was same for Thomas Tuchel as Chelsea new owners sacked him for some coaches who aren't good enough.
De Rossi won't be exactly like him. He should follow his own path.

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January 19, 2024, 04:06:20 PM
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The big problem with De Rossi for Rome is one, and that problem is, if he has a bad start you dont have so much time to recover the phase and recover places, because Rome situation right now is also not so good, if you start to lose more terrain and get out of this cup, your season is gonna be a complete failure and maybe without also De Rossi at the end of the season and searching again for a new coach.
I believe this will happen, I mean what you can expect for one month with a new coach? it's not even enough to reshuffle the players, they will use a same lineup and probably using a different strategy. But a strategy need to be trained for many many times, so I don't expect any big change with De Rossi.

I agree with you. I am also not expecting much from De Rossi this season. 40-year-old De Rossi is not an experienced coach. De Rossi has been with Roma for a long time. He probably played 19 consecutive years with Roma. He is aware of the overall situation of the Roma team. But he is inexperienced as a coach.

I don't know why Roma management sacked an experienced coach like Mourinho. Mourinho is a very experienced coach. Roma's squad does not have enough experienced players so their performances have been poor and erratic. Coach Mourinho cannot be blamed for this. I don't think Roma's performance will improve with new coach De Rossi. I think we will see further deterioration of Roma's performance.

Roma didn't get what it wanted from Mourinho in terms of consistent and good results. They are winning sometimes and losing easy games in many times which is pissing Roma owners and the fact that Mourinho always blame the others for the defeat made them more angry.
I don't expect much from De Rossi, he needs to keep the form of the team and try to improve them steadily. This will take some time and luckily for him, his team will have easy games for a month against the last teams in the league before facing Inter Milan then Feyenoord in Europa League.

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January 19, 2024, 04:33:54 PM
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The cute news of Salah's injury is going to be a set back for Liverpool team and an advantage for others who are also top contenders for the Europa this season, even Leverkusen also have similar case with victor Boniface but I'm their case they have got just but a little dependence on victor than Liverpool does on Salah.

AC Milan is the only top team in the Europa currently with an even team because even Roma is currently having their own fair share of the whole issues as they are battling with the change of coach and trying to get along with their coach so the team gets back to their form, so it's very likely the round of sixteen will definitely going to be a bit though and maybe below expectations because the top teams at this point are having one thing or the other to battle with but then I still trust Liverpool and Leverkusen to be able to maintain their frame and get the best out of the Europa this season.

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January 19, 2024, 04:36:59 PM
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Failure of De Rossi? He has just been signed for the manager position by Roma. Isn't it too early make such assumptions about him? I know that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. But it doesn't mean that De Rossi can't be more successful than Mourinho at the same time. Nobody can know about that.

Daniele De Rossi is one of the best midfielders in the world, so with that, I can say he is capable of being the manager of As Roma. Although everyone knows that Daniele De Rossi has been playing for As Roma since the year 2001 as a teenager, and he has played for the team with passion for the team, being a manager is not a small deal, but to me, I can say, Let's wait and see how his first game will go against Verona tomorrow. Then we can conclude if he will be a good manager or not. Moreover, you also mentioned the fact that he came after a great manager like Mourinho. which in most circumstances, people tend to be more energetic than their teachers, so I can say that Daniele De Rossi can be more successful than Mourinho.

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I would like to give a great example to this situation. After Villas-Boas period at Chelsea Di Matteo was brought to the position in the 2011/12 season. Who could have thought that he would win the Champions League title with Chelsea in his interim manager period there? 

Exactly. What a great history! Everyone thought that Roberto Di Matteo was not capable, but to the greatest surprise, he tried his best to bring a trophy for Chelsea, which is their first champion league title after beating Bayern Munich 4-3 on penalties.
Actually, you have provided a good example that can determine that Daniele De Rossi can also lead As Roma to bring a trophy home, but we can’t conclude yet until after tomorrow’s game performance.

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January 19, 2024, 06:02:38 PM
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Indeed. Daniele De Rossi has no experience to manage any top team in Europe. I can understand if many people are very doubtful about his ability to manage AS Roma. However, every young manager will always begin with no experience. We must give him the chance to show his ability to be the manager of AS Roma. Since he was a great player, I am sure there is something that he can brings to improve AS Roma performance.

It will be interesting to see what he can bring to Roma, given the fact that it is difficult for me to imagine any Roma coach now who, with the existing set of players, could compete with the big four (obviously the Roma management dreams of this).
By the way, despite the fact that Rossi is the 2006 world champion and in general has an excellent playing career, I doubt that he has a champion mentality - if I'm not mistaken, he has 8 or 9 second places with Roma in Serie A. Now this sounds like an achievement, but just imagine what it’s like to lose the championship race so many times.

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January 19, 2024, 06:24:01 PM
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The cute news of Salah's injury is going to be a set back for Liverpool team and an advantage for others who are also top contenders for the Europa this season, even Leverkusen also have similar case with victor Boniface but I'm their case they have got just but a little dependence on victor than Liverpool does on Salah.

AC Milan is the only top team in the Europa currently with an even team because even Roma is currently having their own fair share of the whole issues as they are battling with the change of coach and trying to get along with their coach so the team gets back to their form, so it's very likely the round of sixteen will definitely going to be a bit though and maybe below expectations because the top teams at this point are having one thing or the other to battle with but then I still trust Liverpool and Leverkusen to be able to maintain their frame and get the best out of the Europa this season.

Salah picked up a hamstring injury near the end of the first half of the Egypt - Ghana match. Klopp said that he had no idea about the extent of Salah's injury yet. I also hope not to see Salah suffering a long-running injury period. Otherwise it is a big issue for Liverpool not only in the Europa League but also in the EPL.

Because I believe they technically have a potential to win both titles this season. But without Salah this is just much more difficult to achieve.

Klopp wanted Salah to be back early at Liverpool but not like this.  Sad

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January 19, 2024, 06:24:48 PM
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The big problem with De Rossi for Rome is one, and that problem is, if he has a bad start you dont have so much time to recover the phase and recover places, because Rome situation right now is also not so good, if you start to lose more terrain and get out of this cup, your season is gonna be a complete failure and maybe without also De Rossi at the end of the season and searching again for a new coach.
Coaches will need a transition period, and that transition period will take time, usually there are coaches who can do it quickly and there are coaches who are slower, and I don't know which type of coach De Rossi is. AS Roma and the supporters must understand this and not be quick to speculate about his quality because once again he does not have much time to get to know what his squad is like.
If they are ultimately eliminated from here, they must accept it gracefully, even though I know that is something that is not desirable at all.
And the most important thing is in Serie A, because there has a longer competition, we can see what Rossi can do there, because they have a schedule every week in Serie A.

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January 19, 2024, 06:28:58 PM
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Indeed. Daniele De Rossi has no experience to manage any top team in Europe. I can understand if many people are very doubtful about his ability to manage AS Roma. However, every young manager will always begin with no experience. We must give him the chance to show his ability to be the manager of AS Roma. Since he was a great player, I am sure there is something that he can brings to improve AS Roma performance.

It will be interesting to see what he can bring to Roma, given the fact that it is difficult for me to imagine any Roma coach now who, with the existing set of players, could compete with the big four (obviously the Roma management dreams of this).
By the way, despite the fact that Rossi is the 2006 world champion and in general has an excellent playing career, I doubt that he has a champion mentality - if I'm not mistaken, he has 8 or 9 second places with Roma in Serie A. Now this sounds like an achievement, but just imagine what it’s like to lose the championship race so many times.
It's difficult but I think the main goal at the moment is not to expect the competition to go further but to focus more on improving their performance which is currently in a chaotic condition.

There are several players who can currently be maximized well by Roma but indeed this depends on whether De Rosi can maximize it well or not.
Currently Dybala, Paredes and Lukaku are actually still quite able to be used well because they are one of the good enough players that Roma have but in the Mou Era some time ago we know that the problem is not from the players but the style of play and the boring scheme because Mou always does a conservative strategy that can be said to have been left behind in the Modern football scheme like now.
If in the end De Rosi can change that I am still quite sure Roma will be able to do better but if De Rosi cannot maximize the current players then the situation like what happened to Napoli will definitely happen to Roma.

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January 19, 2024, 06:45:13 PM
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Salah picked up a hamstring injury near the end of the first half of the Egypt - Ghana match. Klopp said that he had no idea about the extent of Salah's injury yet. I also hope not to see Salah suffering a long-running injury period. Otherwise it is a big issue for Liverpool not only in the Europa League but also in the EPL.

Because I believe they technically have a potential to win both titles this season. But without Salah this is just much more difficult to achieve.

Klopp wanted Salah to be back early at Liverpool but not like this.  Sad

I've discussed this in the Premier League thread. The wrong injury will make Liverpool experience a bad situation in every match. Liverpool will have difficulty competing in the Champions League and will have difficulty winning the Premier League title this season. It is said that Salah suffered a hamstring injury which is an injury that takes quite a long time to recover. I don't know if this news is true or not so cmiiw. If this is true then this will make Liverpool the favorite team to win the Champions and EPL in my personal opinion.

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