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The chat didnt happen in official trollbox it happened in PLUG.DJ : You can confirm even on BTC-e trollbox from other ppl that its hosted by the admin of BTC-e. Link for for the chat: plug.dj/trollbox-club/Most of the people who say im a troll etc.. are the admins. Reason i have 0 post is becouse im always lurking here. Just when i said i could get the pictures of chat logs & the website as whole they banned me. http://i57.tinypic.com/359clg7.jpgIts all manipulated.. Hopefully you people make a good choise and im here to answer if anyone has questions ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some people are still care about others ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) <3
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April 27, 2014, 10:39:10 PM |
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an awful amount of shit being spoken about here, some people really don't like wc, why?
If they dont like they would not be here 24 hours a day..from time to time they need to buy low so they spam with FUD here.. like this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568517.msg6429139#msg6429139 and if you go to trollbox histry you would see that it never happend..its all their lie to create new FUD . They are all whailes with multiple accounts here who sell and then spread FUD to buy lowest posibile. That is why moderate thread is needed
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April 27, 2014, 10:39:41 PM |
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an awful amount of shit being spoken about here, some people really don't like wc, why?
cause the dev dumped his premine, can't even copy and paste a fucking wallet, forked opened the coin to a massive 51% attack ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffc02.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2012%2F215%2Ff%2Fa%2Fchina_troll_by_xp0s3-d59ms7c.jpg&t=665&c=PTsJesBkWXvD0w)
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April 27, 2014, 10:41:05 PM |
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just a short reminder folks...
Shades of an AltCoin War There is no question that the last 24-48 hours the AltCoin community, particularly the three "ShadeCoin", White, Dark and Black, have been filled with an incredible amount of both positive and negative energy. There is no question that these three coins are essentially "at war". Having followed the past few days very closely, I wanted to provide my detailed perspective on what has been happening, why, and most importantly, what this means for the future of these coins. Most of the posts on this particular forum (Whitecoin), those posted in the last 24 hours were in all likelihood SPAM, complete lies posted by people who created brand new accounts on bitcointalk to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt... Or as I see it "Disruption), in order to capitalize on their own personal cryto-currency goals. The tactics used however, particularly those used to question the integrity and security of the Whitecoin protocol have been by far the most disappointing. So... The first point I want to address is: Why would people do this?There are two reasons which I see as being the most likely scenarios:1.) If a person or small group of people can essentially "Mass-Spam" a coin community with disinformation or "lies", those which cannot be confirmed or disproved quickly, a large enough portion of the coin holders who's coins are under this attack (Whitecoin in this case) will be driven into a state of fear, and where there is fear, people sell. A mass exodus of selling causes additional panic, leading to more selling, which drives the price down. --- So, Why do this?By driving the price down these Spamers will have the ability to buy the coins at much lower levels. Once the disinformation they have posted is proved to be false, the coin will then rally back to normal if not far exceeding levels, resulting in huge profits for the attackers. 2.) The other likely reason would be a competing coin's community, users, or even Devs, would attack their competitor with posts to forums, twitter and the like to discredit the coin in hopes to drive them out. --- Again, Why do this? There is a limited supply of money being traded in alt-coins. Altcoin creators are essentially all competing for a piece of the same pie. More buyers mean higher prices. By spreading disinformation, uninformed and inexperienced traders will read these posts and see them as being the gospel. Fear sets in, and they sell. Now if you're a trader, particularly a new trader, waiting on the side lines for the right opportunity is no fun. Most neophyte traders will likely immediately seek a new place to park their BTC as an investment. Right now, there is no question Blackcoin, Darkcoin, and Whitecoin are in a fierce competition for a limited amount of BTC which is within the exchanges and at play to trade with. Those very BTC are the necessary fuel for any and all growth. Lack of new BTC being fed into an altcoin means stagnation... And traders, particularly the new ones, "must" see action in order to feel they are "in the game". Thus a coin that meerly churns, meaning no new influx of BTC, will likely trade sideways, resulting in boredom, which psychologically progresses into anxiety. This anxiety, or felling that missed opportunities are passing at every moment as their altcoin investment meerly treads water inevitably leads to selling off and looking for a new and better play. --- CONSIDER THE FACTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH WHITECOIN The information, or disinformation that has been posted about Whitecoin lacks credibility In my opinion for a number of reasons. 1.) Timing: The release of this so called "highly critical and important information", information by which caused mass panic, was released to the public in the middle of the night on a Saturday/Sunday. A time most likely when the actual developers would be either asleep or out to dinner, or putting the kids to bed, and not available to respond to what was being posted. What professional developer would seriously disseminate important information to his community in the middle of the night on a weekend. And if so, why would he only do so only on this forum and on twitter, using brand new accounts with little to no posts. Lastly, why would he chose not to post this also on his own website? These factors in terms of timing are the main reason the information these posters provided I find to be highly suspicious and untrue. 2.) Users: All of the disinformation posted was posted by brand new accounts created within hours of the release of the said information. These users claimed to be a part of the development team. I consider this also to be highly suspect of foul play. 3.). PoW to PoS Transition: Whitecoin recently finalized its mining phase, and has now entered into its Proof of Stake phase. This switch occurred less than 72 hours ago. With any major switchover, there were some minor bugs that were immediately resolved. New PoS multipools were being set up by pool operators independent of Whitecoin. New pools almost always have things to work out as in a matter of hours the user load increases by huge amounts. The timing of this suspect information coincided with these minor issues, issues which in fact all coins have faced during a transition phase. I personally believe the attackers of Whitecoin timed their attack to exploit these minor bugs and add to any already existing stress within the Whitecoin community. To Note: Most, if not all of these minor issues have since been resolved. --- REALITYWhitecoin is now priced at levels that offer unprecedented opportunities to traders. This opportunity has been made available to the entire altcoin community at the expense of those who sold off and likely realized losses in their Whitecoin investments. The price levels we are seeing right now allow traders to get in at severely undervalued price points and ride the "rocketship" as many coiners call it, as the coin begins to recover. You have to remember: Coins like Blackcoin and Darkcoin were both at one point in time worth less than 1000 Satoshis. Yet these coins managed to skyrocket in value to levels of 90,000 and 500,000 respectively. The truth is this growth is impossible to sustain. 10,000% returns are now 100% impossible to see again with both Blackcoin and Darkcoin. If you didn't get in weeks ago, I'm sorry you missed the boat. Whitecoin however is a clearly different story. 1.) Whitecoin is perhaps the most publicized and rapidly accepted altcoin to hit the exchanges in months. Within a few weeks time it had been added to virtually all of the major exchanges, as well as listed on BitcoinWisdom. This alone is unprecedented. 2.) Whitecoin is the only one of the three "shadecoins", that being White, Dark, Black; that can actually grow by leaps and bounds. 1000%, 10,000%, 50,000% is certainly possible. This is what both Blackcoin and Darkcoin were able to achieve, but have since fallen considerably and become less attractive to the investment community. Whitecoin is the new kid on the block, he's gotten a lot of attention recently, and the other 2 shades aren't too happy their values have since been dropping as Whitecoin sucked up a lot of the volume and Market Cap. Now considering all three of these coins are speculative investments; as are ALL altcoins, there being still no mainstream acceptance in terms of being used as a payment method, you have to ask yourself this question... --- Why invest in any altcoin?- If you are investing in altcoins for the mere point of being a part of a world changing shift of how money is treated and transacted, invest in coins you see as having unique features or philanthropic aspects which appeal to your personal aspirations. You aren't in this for the money. You want to change the world. Honestly, I applaud you. - If you are investing and trading to make money, and capitalize on as much value growth as possible resulting in huge returns, you should be looking for oversold, underpriced options. These coins will be the ones that go from 700 to 250,000 and make you rich. A coin like Darkcoin would have to rise at its current price by a factor of 250 times to see the same growth... Growth that is a very real possibility with Whitecoin. That means that Darkcoin would have to near reach the price of Bitcoin. Personally, I do not see that as being even the most remote possibility. MY CONCLUSION The Blackcoin and Darkcoin ships have sailed. They made people who got in early and held for the months it took for the coin to go from 1000 to astronomical levels very rich. Blackcoin in particular took roughly 32 days to move from its final 900 level to 90,000. 32 days. It takes time. Those that bought and held, I am sure are now buying very nice houses. The past 24 hours have been filled with garbage posts which have no reliable information and lack integrity from all angles. Whitecoin in my opinion is the next player in what I refer to as HyperGrowth Capitalization. Growth that will make millionaires out of ordinary people. It may take 32 days as it did with Blackcoin, or even longer as in the case of Darkcoin. If you remember Bitcoin took years. However, It is the only coin as of right now that has the realistic potential to see such gains. It has a strong community. It's developers are actively engaged in promoting and advancing the coin into the future. It's incredibly oversold on bad information. I wish I had more BTC to buy in. But only time will tell. Don't take my words for the holy grail. But also don't listen to most of the negative information you will likely find on the Whitecoin board. Do research. Be a smart investor. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. You can follow me on Twitter @Stratobitz I frequently post tips on what's breaking out, as well as what I feel is likely to correct or crash. Best of luck to all. Strato [/size] Not much to add other than... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wGd2NtdnflY%2FUQ5C3j9bXOI%2FAAAAAAAAI9U%2FErAkjFd5KBY%2Fs1600%2Fcitizen-kane-clapping.jpg&t=665&c=1E8ojuJSmeNVSg) Pure Awesomeness
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April 27, 2014, 10:41:27 PM |
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I'm afraid of dump when new wallet will be available and deposits will works.
I have 20% of my WC at wallet, rest I sold about half h ago because it's too risky for me ;/
dude were't you all gung ho for WC two hours ago? finally catching on what's really happening. price is getting propped up for the new wallet so all you retards get dumped on once deposits are available so does the blackcoin leader of your little possy let you suck his dick for all the fud you spread like a good little soldier? you guys competing! most posts gets the first suck lol i barely hold any BC but ok, i hold more drk then bc (i hold 500 drk) so he does. you winning? lol, you half to be really naive to think that read all my posts.. Zach do you own WC? a tad bit, 10k only to dump it at 1500 so i can buy bc n drk Wow you invest a lot of time to make .15 BTC. Ask for a raise in your allowance man! lol, no thanks i wouldn't want to invest more in this shitty coin i bought 10k as a joke I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your 10,000 WC at 1500 if you promise to go away. Agreed? lol, desperate? make it 0.5-1.5 btc payed to this address 1MHxDURgW7w4WhrywGVQbqyFq1tKnW5QGb and then ill go cut my wrists in the corner for you and die Wow. Um. Yea... Not really interested in paying you to off yourself. Sorry man sounds like things are going pretty bad for you. Maybe you should take a break. Get outside... Smell the roses so to speak. Life isn't that bad.
But about those 10k WC... Can I just get those? Priced at 2000 which is double the going rate.
And as a BONUS I will kick in an additional .10 BTC if your PROMISE to go take a walk outside, find a nice quite place to calm down, and smell some roses.
But you will have to supply proof. You will need to shoot some video of you doing it. All of those items. Walk, relax, smelling roses. Post the video to YouTube and send me the link. You have my word I'll pay the BTC. I'm not going to ruin my reputation over a lousy .10 BTC. I'll pay it. Just shoot the video.
And you have to promise to go way. This is for your own good man. Trust me.
Deal?would rather hold on to them so i can be apart of this community and bash the shit out of it
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April 27, 2014, 10:43:00 PM |
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I'm afraid of dump when new wallet will be available and deposits will works.
I have 20% of my WC at wallet, rest I sold about half h ago because it's too risky for me ;/
dude were't you all gung ho for WC two hours ago? finally catching on what's really happening. price is getting propped up for the new wallet so all you retards get dumped on once deposits are available so does the blackcoin leader of your little possy let you suck his dick for all the fud you spread like a good little soldier? you guys competing! most posts gets the first suck lol i barely hold any BC but ok, i hold more drk then bc (i hold 500 drk) so he does. you winning? lol, you half to be really naive to think that read all my posts.. Zach do you own WC? a tad bit, 10k only to dump it at 1500 so i can buy bc n drk Wow you invest a lot of time to make .15 BTC. Ask for a raise in your allowance man! lol, no thanks i wouldn't want to invest more in this shitty coin i bought 10k as a joke I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your 10,000 WC at 1500 if you promise to go away. Agreed? lol, desperate? make it 0.5-1.5 btc payed to this address 1MHxDURgW7w4WhrywGVQbqyFq1tKnW5QGb and then ill go cut my wrists in the corner for you and die Wow. Um. Yea... Not really interested in paying you to off yourself. Sorry man sounds like things are going pretty bad for you. Maybe you should take a break. Get outside... Smell the roses so to speak. Life isn't that bad.
But about those 10k WC... Can I just get those? Priced at 2000 which is double the going rate.
And as a BONUS I will kick in an additional .10 BTC if your PROMISE to go take a walk outside, find a nice quite place to calm down, and smell some roses.
But you will have to supply proof. You will need to shoot some video of you doing it. All of those items. Walk, relax, smelling roses. Post the video to YouTube and send me the link. You have my word I'll pay the BTC. I'm not going to ruin my reputation over a lousy .10 BTC. I'll pay it. Just shoot the video.
And you have to promise to go way. This is for your own good man. Trust me.
Deal?would rather hold on to them so i can be apart of this community and bash the shit out of it hahahahahaahahah HOPELESS!!!!!!! o gosh u so cute man so nunu
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April 27, 2014, 10:43:39 PM |
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wow whales fight ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) so amusing, i need them popcorn.
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April 27, 2014, 10:45:09 PM |
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wow whales fight ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) so amusing, i need them popcorn. Lol.
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April 27, 2014, 10:45:44 PM |
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just a short reminder folks...
Shades of an AltCoin War There is no question that the last 24-48 hours the AltCoin community, particularly the three "ShadeCoin", White, Dark and Black, have been filled with an incredible amount of both positive and negative energy. There is no question that these three coins are essentially "at war". Having followed the past few days very closely, I wanted to provide my detailed perspective on what has been happening, why, and most importantly, what this means for the future of these coins. Most of the posts on this particular forum (Whitecoin), those posted in the last 24 hours were in all likelihood SPAM, complete lies posted by people who created brand new accounts on bitcointalk to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt... Or as I see it "Disruption), in order to capitalize on their own personal cryto-currency goals. The tactics used however, particularly those used to question the integrity and security of the Whitecoin protocol have been by far the most disappointing. So... The first point I want to address is: Why would people do this?There are two reasons which I see as being the most likely scenarios:1.) If a person or small group of people can essentially "Mass-Spam" a coin community with disinformation or "lies", those which cannot be confirmed or disproved quickly, a large enough portion of the coin holders who's coins are under this attack (Whitecoin in this case) will be driven into a state of fear, and where there is fear, people sell. A mass exodus of selling causes additional panic, leading to more selling, which drives the price down. --- So, Why do this?By driving the price down these Spamers will have the ability to buy the coins at much lower levels. Once the disinformation they have posted is proved to be false, the coin will then rally back to normal if not far exceeding levels, resulting in huge profits for the attackers. 2.) The other likely reason would be a competing coin's community, users, or even Devs, would attack their competitor with posts to forums, twitter and the like to discredit the coin in hopes to drive them out. --- Again, Why do this? There is a limited supply of money being traded in alt-coins. Altcoin creators are essentially all competing for a piece of the same pie. More buyers mean higher prices. By spreading disinformation, uninformed and inexperienced traders will read these posts and see them as being the gospel. Fear sets in, and they sell. Now if you're a trader, particularly a new trader, waiting on the side lines for the right opportunity is no fun. Most neophyte traders will likely immediately seek a new place to park their BTC as an investment. Right now, there is no question Blackcoin, Darkcoin, and Whitecoin are in a fierce competition for a limited amount of BTC which is within the exchanges and at play to trade with. Those very BTC are the necessary fuel for any and all growth. Lack of new BTC being fed into an altcoin means stagnation... And traders, particularly the new ones, "must" see action in order to feel they are "in the game". Thus a coin that meerly churns, meaning no new influx of BTC, will likely trade sideways, resulting in boredom, which psychologically progresses into anxiety. This anxiety, or felling that missed opportunities are passing at every moment as their altcoin investment meerly treads water inevitably leads to selling off and looking for a new and better play. --- CONSIDER THE FACTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH WHITECOIN The information, or disinformation that has been posted about Whitecoin lacks credibility In my opinion for a number of reasons. 1.) Timing: The release of this so called "highly critical and important information", information by which caused mass panic, was released to the public in the middle of the night on a Saturday/Sunday. A time most likely when the actual developers would be either asleep or out to dinner, or putting the kids to bed, and not available to respond to what was being posted. What professional developer would seriously disseminate important information to his community in the middle of the night on a weekend. And if so, why would he only do so only on this forum and on twitter, using brand new accounts with little to no posts. Lastly, why would he chose not to post this also on his own website? These factors in terms of timing are the main reason the information these posters provided I find to be highly suspicious and untrue. 2.) Users: All of the disinformation posted was posted by brand new accounts created within hours of the release of the said information. These users claimed to be a part of the development team. I consider this also to be highly suspect of foul play. 3.). PoW to PoS Transition: Whitecoin recently finalized its mining phase, and has now entered into its Proof of Stake phase. This switch occurred less than 72 hours ago. With any major switchover, there were some minor bugs that were immediately resolved. New PoS multipools were being set up by pool operators independent of Whitecoin. New pools almost always have things to work out as in a matter of hours the user load increases by huge amounts. The timing of this suspect information coincided with these minor issues, issues which in fact all coins have faced during a transition phase. I personally believe the attackers of Whitecoin timed their attack to exploit these minor bugs and add to any already existing stress within the Whitecoin community. To Note: Most, if not all of these minor issues have since been resolved. --- REALITYWhitecoin is now priced at levels that offer unprecedented opportunities to traders. This opportunity has been made available to the entire altcoin community at the expense of those who sold off and likely realized losses in their Whitecoin investments. The price levels we are seeing right now allow traders to get in at severely undervalued price points and ride the "rocketship" as many coiners call it, as the coin begins to recover. You have to remember: Coins like Blackcoin and Darkcoin were both at one point in time worth less than 1000 Satoshis. Yet these coins managed to skyrocket in value to levels of 90,000 and 500,000 respectively. The truth is this growth is impossible to sustain. 10,000% returns are now 100% impossible to see again with both Blackcoin and Darkcoin. If you didn't get in weeks ago, I'm sorry you missed the boat. Whitecoin however is a clearly different story. 1.) Whitecoin is perhaps the most publicized and rapidly accepted altcoin to hit the exchanges in months. Within a few weeks time it had been added to virtually all of the major exchanges, as well as listed on BitcoinWisdom. This alone is unprecedented. 2.) Whitecoin is the only one of the three "shadecoins", that being White, Dark, Black; that can actually grow by leaps and bounds. 1000%, 10,000%, 50,000% is certainly possible. This is what both Blackcoin and Darkcoin were able to achieve, but have since fallen considerably and become less attractive to the investment community. Whitecoin is the new kid on the block, he's gotten a lot of attention recently, and the other 2 shades aren't too happy their values have since been dropping as Whitecoin sucked up a lot of the volume and Market Cap. Now considering all three of these coins are speculative investments; as are ALL altcoins, there being still no mainstream acceptance in terms of being used as a payment method, you have to ask yourself this question... --- Why invest in any altcoin?- If you are investing in altcoins for the mere point of being a part of a world changing shift of how money is treated and transacted, invest in coins you see as having unique features or philanthropic aspects which appeal to your personal aspirations. You aren't in this for the money. You want to change the world. Honestly, I applaud you. - If you are investing and trading to make money, and capitalize on as much value growth as possible resulting in huge returns, you should be looking for oversold, underpriced options. These coins will be the ones that go from 700 to 250,000 and make you rich. A coin like Darkcoin would have to rise at its current price by a factor of 250 times to see the same growth... Growth that is a very real possibility with Whitecoin. That means that Darkcoin would have to near reach the price of Bitcoin. Personally, I do not see that as being even the most remote possibility. MY CONCLUSION The Blackcoin and Darkcoin ships have sailed. They made people who got in early and held for the months it took for the coin to go from 1000 to astronomical levels very rich. Blackcoin in particular took roughly 32 days to move from its final 900 level to 90,000. 32 days. It takes time. Those that bought and held, I am sure are now buying very nice houses. The past 24 hours have been filled with garbage posts which have no reliable information and lack integrity from all angles. Whitecoin in my opinion is the next player in what I refer to as HyperGrowth Capitalization. Growth that will make millionaires out of ordinary people. It may take 32 days as it did with Blackcoin, or even longer as in the case of Darkcoin. If you remember Bitcoin took years. However, It is the only coin as of right now that has the realistic potential to see such gains. It has a strong community. It's developers are actively engaged in promoting and advancing the coin into the future. It's incredibly oversold on bad information. I wish I had more BTC to buy in. But only time will tell. Don't take my words for the holy grail. But also don't listen to most of the negative information you will likely find on the Whitecoin board. Do research. Be a smart investor. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. You can follow me on Twitter @Stratobitz I frequently post tips on what's breaking out, as well as what I feel is likely to correct or crash. Best of luck to all. Strato [/size] Not much to add other than... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wGd2NtdnflY%2FUQ5C3j9bXOI%2FAAAAAAAAI9U%2FErAkjFd5KBY%2Fs1600%2Fcitizen-kane-clapping.jpg&t=665&c=1E8ojuJSmeNVSg) Pure Awesomeness that whole speech is loaded full of Fud FUCKING UTTERLY DUMBSHIT darkcoin brought innovation to the table x11 darksend etc. BC was the first coin to be mined in such a short period first coin that hit full POS first coin with a multipool , while WC is just WC with nothing new. and no merchants want it.
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April 27, 2014, 10:46:22 PM |
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I'm afraid of dump when new wallet will be available and deposits will works.
I have 20% of my WC at wallet, rest I sold about half h ago because it's too risky for me ;/
dude were't you all gung ho for WC two hours ago? finally catching on what's really happening. price is getting propped up for the new wallet so all you retards get dumped on once deposits are available so does the blackcoin leader of your little possy let you suck his dick for all the fud you spread like a good little soldier? you guys competing! most posts gets the first suck lol i barely hold any BC but ok, i hold more drk then bc (i hold 500 drk) so he does. you winning? lol, you half to be really naive to think that read all my posts.. Zach do you own WC? a tad bit, 10k only to dump it at 1500 so i can buy bc n drk Wow you invest a lot of time to make .15 BTC. Ask for a raise in your allowance man! lol, no thanks i wouldn't want to invest more in this shitty coin i bought 10k as a joke I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your 10,000 WC at 1500 if you promise to go away. Agreed? lol, desperate? make it 0.5-1.5 btc payed to this address 1MHxDURgW7w4WhrywGVQbqyFq1tKnW5QGb and then ill go cut my wrists in the corner for you and die Wow. Um. Yea... Not really interested in paying you to off yourself. Sorry man sounds like things are going pretty bad for you. Maybe you should take a break. Get outside... Smell the roses so to speak. Life isn't that bad.
But about those 10k WC... Can I just get those? Priced at 2000 which is double the going rate.
And as a BONUS I will kick in an additional .10 BTC if your PROMISE to go take a walk outside, find a nice quite place to calm down, and smell some roses.
But you will have to supply proof. You will need to shoot some video of you doing it. All of those items. Walk, relax, smelling roses. Post the video to YouTube and send me the link. You have my word I'll pay the BTC. I'm not going to ruin my reputation over a lousy .10 BTC. I'll pay it. Just shoot the video.
And you have to promise to go way. This is for your own good man. Trust me.
Deal?would rather hold on to them so i can be apart of this community and bash the shit out of it He, who will not reason, is a bigot; he, who cannot, is a fool; and he, who dares not, is a slave. Time ripens all things. No man is born wise.
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April 27, 2014, 10:48:20 PM |
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I'm afraid of dump when new wallet will be available and deposits will works.
I have 20% of my WC at wallet, rest I sold about half h ago because it's too risky for me ;/
dude were't you all gung ho for WC two hours ago? finally catching on what's really happening. price is getting propped up for the new wallet so all you retards get dumped on once deposits are available so does the blackcoin leader of your little possy let you suck his dick for all the fud you spread like a good little soldier? you guys competing! most posts gets the first suck lol i barely hold any BC but ok, i hold more drk then bc (i hold 500 drk) so he does. you winning? lol, you half to be really naive to think that read all my posts.. Zach do you own WC? a tad bit, 10k only to dump it at 1500 so i can buy bc n drk Wow you invest a lot of time to make .15 BTC. Ask for a raise in your allowance man! lol, no thanks i wouldn't want to invest more in this shitty coin i bought 10k as a joke I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your 10,000 WC at 1500 if you promise to go away. Agreed? lol, desperate? make it 0.5-1.5 btc payed to this address 1MHxDURgW7w4WhrywGVQbqyFq1tKnW5QGb and then ill go cut my wrists in the corner for you and die Wow. Um. Yea... Not really interested in paying you to off yourself. Sorry man sounds like things are going pretty bad for you. Maybe you should take a break. Get outside... Smell the roses so to speak. Life isn't that bad.
But about those 10k WC... Can I just get those? Priced at 2000 which is double the going rate.
And as a BONUS I will kick in an additional .10 BTC if your PROMISE to go take a walk outside, find a nice quite place to calm down, and smell some roses.
But you will have to supply proof. You will need to shoot some video of you doing it. All of those items. Walk, relax, smelling roses. Post the video to YouTube and send me the link. You have my word I'll pay the BTC. I'm not going to ruin my reputation over a lousy .10 BTC. I'll pay it. Just shoot the video.
And you have to promise to go way. This is for your own good man. Trust me.
Deal?would rather hold on to them so i can be apart of this community and bash the shit out of it He, who will not reason, is a bigot; he, who cannot, is a fool; and he, who dares not, is a slave. Time ripens all things. No man is born wise. that whole speech is loaded full of Fud FUCKING UTTERLY DUMBSHIT darkcoin brought innovation to the table x11 darksend etc. BC was the first coin to be mined in such a short period first coin that hit full POS first coin with a multipool , while WC is just WC with nothing new. and no merchants want it. what do you half to say now this coin is about as useless as a wet sock.
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The chat didnt happen in official trollbox it happened in PLUG.DJ : You can confirm even on BTC-e trollbox from other ppl that its hosted by the admin of BTC-e. Link for for the chat: plug.dj/trollbox-club/Most of the people who say im a troll etc.. are the admins. Reason i have 0 post is becouse im always lurking here. Just when i said i could get the pictures of chat logs & the website as whole they banned me. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2F359clg7.jpg&t=665&c=212Ze6oxrWFxBg) Its all manipulated.. Hopefully you people make a good choise and im here to answer if anyone has questions ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some people are still care about others ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) <3 hmmm...
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just a short reminder folks...
Shades of an AltCoin War There is no question that the last 24-48 hours the AltCoin community, particularly the three "ShadeCoin", White, Dark and Black, have been filled with an incredible amount of both positive and negative energy. There is no question that these three coins are essentially "at war". Having followed the past few days very closely, I wanted to provide my detailed perspective on what has been happening, why, and most importantly, what this means for the future of these coins. Most of the posts on this particular forum (Whitecoin), those posted in the last 24 hours were in all likelihood SPAM, complete lies posted by people who created brand new accounts on bitcointalk to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt... Or as I see it "Disruption), in order to capitalize on their own personal cryto-currency goals. The tactics used however, particularly those used to question the integrity and security of the Whitecoin protocol have been by far the most disappointing. So... The first point I want to address is: Why would people do this?There are two reasons which I see as being the most likely scenarios:1.) If a person or small group of people can essentially "Mass-Spam" a coin community with disinformation or "lies", those which cannot be confirmed or disproved quickly, a large enough portion of the coin holders who's coins are under this attack (Whitecoin in this case) will be driven into a state of fear, and where there is fear, people sell. A mass exodus of selling causes additional panic, leading to more selling, which drives the price down. --- So, Why do this?By driving the price down these Spamers will have the ability to buy the coins at much lower levels. Once the disinformation they have posted is proved to be false, the coin will then rally back to normal if not far exceeding levels, resulting in huge profits for the attackers. 2.) The other likely reason would be a competing coin's community, users, or even Devs, would attack their competitor with posts to forums, twitter and the like to discredit the coin in hopes to drive them out. --- Again, Why do this? There is a limited supply of money being traded in alt-coins. Altcoin creators are essentially all competing for a piece of the same pie. More buyers mean higher prices. By spreading disinformation, uninformed and inexperienced traders will read these posts and see them as being the gospel. Fear sets in, and they sell. Now if you're a trader, particularly a new trader, waiting on the side lines for the right opportunity is no fun. Most neophyte traders will likely immediately seek a new place to park their BTC as an investment. Right now, there is no question Blackcoin, Darkcoin, and Whitecoin are in a fierce competition for a limited amount of BTC which is within the exchanges and at play to trade with. Those very BTC are the necessary fuel for any and all growth. Lack of new BTC being fed into an altcoin means stagnation... And traders, particularly the new ones, "must" see action in order to feel they are "in the game". Thus a coin that meerly churns, meaning no new influx of BTC, will likely trade sideways, resulting in boredom, which psychologically progresses into anxiety. This anxiety, or felling that missed opportunities are passing at every moment as their altcoin investment meerly treads water inevitably leads to selling off and looking for a new and better play. --- CONSIDER THE FACTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH WHITECOIN The information, or disinformation that has been posted about Whitecoin lacks credibility In my opinion for a number of reasons. 1.) Timing: The release of this so called "highly critical and important information", information by which caused mass panic, was released to the public in the middle of the night on a Saturday/Sunday. A time most likely when the actual developers would be either asleep or out to dinner, or putting the kids to bed, and not available to respond to what was being posted. What professional developer would seriously disseminate important information to his community in the middle of the night on a weekend. And if so, why would he only do so only on this forum and on twitter, using brand new accounts with little to no posts. Lastly, why would he chose not to post this also on his own website? These factors in terms of timing are the main reason the information these posters provided I find to be highly suspicious and untrue. 2.) Users: All of the disinformation posted was posted by brand new accounts created within hours of the release of the said information. These users claimed to be a part of the development team. I consider this also to be highly suspect of foul play. 3.). PoW to PoS Transition: Whitecoin recently finalized its mining phase, and has now entered into its Proof of Stake phase. This switch occurred less than 72 hours ago. With any major switchover, there were some minor bugs that were immediately resolved. New PoS multipools were being set up by pool operators independent of Whitecoin. New pools almost always have things to work out as in a matter of hours the user load increases by huge amounts. The timing of this suspect information coincided with these minor issues, issues which in fact all coins have faced during a transition phase. I personally believe the attackers of Whitecoin timed their attack to exploit these minor bugs and add to any already existing stress within the Whitecoin community. To Note: Most, if not all of these minor issues have since been resolved. --- REALITYWhitecoin is now priced at levels that offer unprecedented opportunities to traders. This opportunity has been made available to the entire altcoin community at the expense of those who sold off and likely realized losses in their Whitecoin investments. The price levels we are seeing right now allow traders to get in at severely undervalued price points and ride the "rocketship" as many coiners call it, as the coin begins to recover. You have to remember: Coins like Blackcoin and Darkcoin were both at one point in time worth less than 1000 Satoshis. Yet these coins managed to skyrocket in value to levels of 90,000 and 500,000 respectively. The truth is this growth is impossible to sustain. 10,000% returns are now 100% impossible to see again with both Blackcoin and Darkcoin. If you didn't get in weeks ago, I'm sorry you missed the boat. Whitecoin however is a clearly different story. 1.) Whitecoin is perhaps the most publicized and rapidly accepted altcoin to hit the exchanges in months. Within a few weeks time it had been added to virtually all of the major exchanges, as well as listed on BitcoinWisdom. This alone is unprecedented. 2.) Whitecoin is the only one of the three "shadecoins", that being White, Dark, Black; that can actually grow by leaps and bounds. 1000%, 10,000%, 50,000% is certainly possible. This is what both Blackcoin and Darkcoin were able to achieve, but have since fallen considerably and become less attractive to the investment community. Whitecoin is the new kid on the block, he's gotten a lot of attention recently, and the other 2 shades aren't too happy their values have since been dropping as Whitecoin sucked up a lot of the volume and Market Cap. Now considering all three of these coins are speculative investments; as are ALL altcoins, there being still no mainstream acceptance in terms of being used as a payment method, you have to ask yourself this question... --- Why invest in any altcoin?- If you are investing in altcoins for the mere point of being a part of a world changing shift of how money is treated and transacted, invest in coins you see as having unique features or philanthropic aspects which appeal to your personal aspirations. You aren't in this for the money. You want to change the world. Honestly, I applaud you. - If you are investing and trading to make money, and capitalize on as much value growth as possible resulting in huge returns, you should be looking for oversold, underpriced options. These coins will be the ones that go from 700 to 250,000 and make you rich. A coin like Darkcoin would have to rise at its current price by a factor of 250 times to see the same growth... Growth that is a very real possibility with Whitecoin. That means that Darkcoin would have to near reach the price of Bitcoin. Personally, I do not see that as being even the most remote possibility. MY CONCLUSION The Blackcoin and Darkcoin ships have sailed. They made people who got in early and held for the months it took for the coin to go from 1000 to astronomical levels very rich. Blackcoin in particular took roughly 32 days to move from its final 900 level to 90,000. 32 days. It takes time. Those that bought and held, I am sure are now buying very nice houses. The past 24 hours have been filled with garbage posts which have no reliable information and lack integrity from all angles. Whitecoin in my opinion is the next player in what I refer to as HyperGrowth Capitalization. Growth that will make millionaires out of ordinary people. It may take 32 days as it did with Blackcoin, or even longer as in the case of Darkcoin. If you remember Bitcoin took years. However, It is the only coin as of right now that has the realistic potential to see such gains. It has a strong community. It's developers are actively engaged in promoting and advancing the coin into the future. It's incredibly oversold on bad information. I wish I had more BTC to buy in. But only time will tell. Don't take my words for the holy grail. But also don't listen to most of the negative information you will likely find on the Whitecoin board. Do research. Be a smart investor. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. You can follow me on Twitter @Stratobitz I frequently post tips on what's breaking out, as well as what I feel is likely to correct or crash. Best of luck to all. Strato [/size] Not much to add other than... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wGd2NtdnflY%2FUQ5C3j9bXOI%2FAAAAAAAAI9U%2FErAkjFd5KBY%2Fs1600%2Fcitizen-kane-clapping.jpg&t=665&c=1E8ojuJSmeNVSg) Pure Awesomeness that whole speech is loaded full of Fud FUCKING UTTERLY DUMBSHIT darkcoin brought innovation to the table x11 darksend etc. BC was the first coin to be mined in such a short period first coin that hit full POS first coin with a multipool , while WC is just WC with nothing new. and no merchants want it. Your argument I gotta admit is pretty damn convincing. X11 you say? I never realized. I personally love innovation. The lightbulb, iPhone, washing machines... Can't live without those. And now X11. The world is still an amazing place full of new ideas just waiting to be discovered. X11. Man who knew right?!
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April 27, 2014, 10:53:24 PM |
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just a short reminder folks...
Shades of an AltCoin War There is no question that the last 24-48 hours the AltCoin community, particularly the three "ShadeCoin", White, Dark and Black, have been filled with an incredible amount of both positive and negative energy. There is no question that these three coins are essentially "at war". Having followed the past few days very closely, I wanted to provide my detailed perspective on what has been happening, why, and most importantly, what this means for the future of these coins. Most of the posts on this particular forum (Whitecoin), those posted in the last 24 hours were in all likelihood SPAM, complete lies posted by people who created brand new accounts on bitcointalk to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt... Or as I see it "Disruption), in order to capitalize on their own personal cryto-currency goals. The tactics used however, particularly those used to question the integrity and security of the Whitecoin protocol have been by far the most disappointing. So... The first point I want to address is: Why would people do this?There are two reasons which I see as being the most likely scenarios:1.) If a person or small group of people can essentially "Mass-Spam" a coin community with disinformation or "lies", those which cannot be confirmed or disproved quickly, a large enough portion of the coin holders who's coins are under this attack (Whitecoin in this case) will be driven into a state of fear, and where there is fear, people sell. A mass exodus of selling causes additional panic, leading to more selling, which drives the price down. --- So, Why do this?By driving the price down these Spamers will have the ability to buy the coins at much lower levels. Once the disinformation they have posted is proved to be false, the coin will then rally back to normal if not far exceeding levels, resulting in huge profits for the attackers. 2.) The other likely reason would be a competing coin's community, users, or even Devs, would attack their competitor with posts to forums, twitter and the like to discredit the coin in hopes to drive them out. --- Again, Why do this? There is a limited supply of money being traded in alt-coins. Altcoin creators are essentially all competing for a piece of the same pie. More buyers mean higher prices. By spreading disinformation, uninformed and inexperienced traders will read these posts and see them as being the gospel. Fear sets in, and they sell. Now if you're a trader, particularly a new trader, waiting on the side lines for the right opportunity is no fun. Most neophyte traders will likely immediately seek a new place to park their BTC as an investment. Right now, there is no question Blackcoin, Darkcoin, and Whitecoin are in a fierce competition for a limited amount of BTC which is within the exchanges and at play to trade with. Those very BTC are the necessary fuel for any and all growth. Lack of new BTC being fed into an altcoin means stagnation... And traders, particularly the new ones, "must" see action in order to feel they are "in the game". Thus a coin that meerly churns, meaning no new influx of BTC, will likely trade sideways, resulting in boredom, which psychologically progresses into anxiety. This anxiety, or felling that missed opportunities are passing at every moment as their altcoin investment meerly treads water inevitably leads to selling off and looking for a new and better play. --- CONSIDER THE FACTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH WHITECOIN The information, or disinformation that has been posted about Whitecoin lacks credibility In my opinion for a number of reasons. 1.) Timing: The release of this so called "highly critical and important information", information by which caused mass panic, was released to the public in the middle of the night on a Saturday/Sunday. A time most likely when the actual developers would be either asleep or out to dinner, or putting the kids to bed, and not available to respond to what was being posted. What professional developer would seriously disseminate important information to his community in the middle of the night on a weekend. And if so, why would he only do so only on this forum and on twitter, using brand new accounts with little to no posts. Lastly, why would he chose not to post this also on his own website? These factors in terms of timing are the main reason the information these posters provided I find to be highly suspicious and untrue. 2.) Users: All of the disinformation posted was posted by brand new accounts created within hours of the release of the said information. These users claimed to be a part of the development team. I consider this also to be highly suspect of foul play. 3.). PoW to PoS Transition: Whitecoin recently finalized its mining phase, and has now entered into its Proof of Stake phase. This switch occurred less than 72 hours ago. With any major switchover, there were some minor bugs that were immediately resolved. New PoS multipools were being set up by pool operators independent of Whitecoin. New pools almost always have things to work out as in a matter of hours the user load increases by huge amounts. The timing of this suspect information coincided with these minor issues, issues which in fact all coins have faced during a transition phase. I personally believe the attackers of Whitecoin timed their attack to exploit these minor bugs and add to any already existing stress within the Whitecoin community. To Note: Most, if not all of these minor issues have since been resolved. --- REALITYWhitecoin is now priced at levels that offer unprecedented opportunities to traders. This opportunity has been made available to the entire altcoin community at the expense of those who sold off and likely realized losses in their Whitecoin investments. The price levels we are seeing right now allow traders to get in at severely undervalued price points and ride the "rocketship" as many coiners call it, as the coin begins to recover. You have to remember: Coins like Blackcoin and Darkcoin were both at one point in time worth less than 1000 Satoshis. Yet these coins managed to skyrocket in value to levels of 90,000 and 500,000 respectively. The truth is this growth is impossible to sustain. 10,000% returns are now 100% impossible to see again with both Blackcoin and Darkcoin. If you didn't get in weeks ago, I'm sorry you missed the boat. Whitecoin however is a clearly different story. 1.) Whitecoin is perhaps the most publicized and rapidly accepted altcoin to hit the exchanges in months. Within a few weeks time it had been added to virtually all of the major exchanges, as well as listed on BitcoinWisdom. This alone is unprecedented. 2.) Whitecoin is the only one of the three "shadecoins", that being White, Dark, Black; that can actually grow by leaps and bounds. 1000%, 10,000%, 50,000% is certainly possible. This is what both Blackcoin and Darkcoin were able to achieve, but have since fallen considerably and become less attractive to the investment community. Whitecoin is the new kid on the block, he's gotten a lot of attention recently, and the other 2 shades aren't too happy their values have since been dropping as Whitecoin sucked up a lot of the volume and Market Cap. Now considering all three of these coins are speculative investments; as are ALL altcoins, there being still no mainstream acceptance in terms of being used as a payment method, you have to ask yourself this question... --- Why invest in any altcoin?- If you are investing in altcoins for the mere point of being a part of a world changing shift of how money is treated and transacted, invest in coins you see as having unique features or philanthropic aspects which appeal to your personal aspirations. You aren't in this for the money. You want to change the world. Honestly, I applaud you. - If you are investing and trading to make money, and capitalize on as much value growth as possible resulting in huge returns, you should be looking for oversold, underpriced options. These coins will be the ones that go from 700 to 250,000 and make you rich. A coin like Darkcoin would have to rise at its current price by a factor of 250 times to see the same growth... Growth that is a very real possibility with Whitecoin. That means that Darkcoin would have to near reach the price of Bitcoin. Personally, I do not see that as being even the most remote possibility. MY CONCLUSION The Blackcoin and Darkcoin ships have sailed. They made people who got in early and held for the months it took for the coin to go from 1000 to astronomical levels very rich. Blackcoin in particular took roughly 32 days to move from its final 900 level to 90,000. 32 days. It takes time. Those that bought and held, I am sure are now buying very nice houses. The past 24 hours have been filled with garbage posts which have no reliable information and lack integrity from all angles. Whitecoin in my opinion is the next player in what I refer to as HyperGrowth Capitalization. Growth that will make millionaires out of ordinary people. It may take 32 days as it did with Blackcoin, or even longer as in the case of Darkcoin. If you remember Bitcoin took years. However, It is the only coin as of right now that has the realistic potential to see such gains. It has a strong community. It's developers are actively engaged in promoting and advancing the coin into the future. It's incredibly oversold on bad information. I wish I had more BTC to buy in. But only time will tell. Don't take my words for the holy grail. But also don't listen to most of the negative information you will likely find on the Whitecoin board. Do research. Be a smart investor. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. You can follow me on Twitter @Stratobitz I frequently post tips on what's breaking out, as well as what I feel is likely to correct or crash. Best of luck to all. Strato [/size] Not much to add other than... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wGd2NtdnflY%2FUQ5C3j9bXOI%2FAAAAAAAAI9U%2FErAkjFd5KBY%2Fs1600%2Fcitizen-kane-clapping.jpg&t=665&c=1E8ojuJSmeNVSg) Pure Awesomeness that whole speech is loaded full of Fud FUCKING UTTERLY DUMBSHIT darkcoin brought innovation to the table x11 darksend etc. BC was the first coin to be mined in such a short period first coin that hit full POS first coin with a multipool , while WC is just WC with nothing new. and no merchants want it. Your argument I gotta admit is pretty damn convincing. X11 you say? I never realized. I personally love innovation. The lightbulb, iPhone, washing machines... Can't live without those. And now X11. The world is still an amazing place full of new ideas just waiting to be discovered. X11. Man who knew right?! your one sad bagholder it's like talking to an abandoned building telling it it's gonna get torn down, the only one that heard it is the one that spoke it.
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April 27, 2014, 10:53:47 PM |
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I'm afraid of dump when new wallet will be available and deposits will works.
I have 20% of my WC at wallet, rest I sold about half h ago because it's too risky for me ;/
dude were't you all gung ho for WC two hours ago? finally catching on what's really happening. price is getting propped up for the new wallet so all you retards get dumped on once deposits are available so does the blackcoin leader of your little possy let you suck his dick for all the fud you spread like a good little soldier? you guys competing! most posts gets the first suck lol i barely hold any BC but ok, i hold more drk then bc (i hold 500 drk) so he does. you winning? lol, you half to be really naive to think that read all my posts.. Zach do you own WC? a tad bit, 10k only to dump it at 1500 so i can buy bc n drk Wow you invest a lot of time to make .15 BTC. Ask for a raise in your allowance man! lol, no thanks i wouldn't want to invest more in this shitty coin i bought 10k as a joke I'll make you a deal. I'll buy your 10,000 WC at 1500 if you promise to go away. Agreed? lol, desperate? make it 0.3-1.5 btc payed to this address 1MHxDURgW7w4WhrywGVQbqyFq1tKnW5QGb and then ill go cut my wrists in the corner for you and die how about you just go and do that and we can all live happily without your negative low life comments on here. dude get out and get some sun before your ass becomes a permanent fixture on your chair.
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just a short reminder folks...
Shades of an AltCoin War There is no question that the last 24-48 hours the AltCoin community, particularly the three "ShadeCoin", White, Dark and Black, have been filled with an incredible amount of both positive and negative energy. There is no question that these three coins are essentially "at war". Having followed the past few days very closely, I wanted to provide my detailed perspective on what has been happening, why, and most importantly, what this means for the future of these coins. Most of the posts on this particular forum (Whitecoin), those posted in the last 24 hours were in all likelihood SPAM, complete lies posted by people who created brand new accounts on bitcointalk to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt... Or as I see it "Disruption), in order to capitalize on their own personal cryto-currency goals. The tactics used however, particularly those used to question the integrity and security of the Whitecoin protocol have been by far the most disappointing. So... The first point I want to address is: Why would people do this?There are two reasons which I see as being the most likely scenarios:1.) If a person or small group of people can essentially "Mass-Spam" a coin community with disinformation or "lies", those which cannot be confirmed or disproved quickly, a large enough portion of the coin holders who's coins are under this attack (Whitecoin in this case) will be driven into a state of fear, and where there is fear, people sell. A mass exodus of selling causes additional panic, leading to more selling, which drives the price down. --- So, Why do this?By driving the price down these Spamers will have the ability to buy the coins at much lower levels. Once the disinformation they have posted is proved to be false, the coin will then rally back to normal if not far exceeding levels, resulting in huge profits for the attackers. 2.) The other likely reason would be a competing coin's community, users, or even Devs, would attack their competitor with posts to forums, twitter and the like to discredit the coin in hopes to drive them out. --- Again, Why do this? There is a limited supply of money being traded in alt-coins. Altcoin creators are essentially all competing for a piece of the same pie. More buyers mean higher prices. By spreading disinformation, uninformed and inexperienced traders will read these posts and see them as being the gospel. Fear sets in, and they sell. Now if you're a trader, particularly a new trader, waiting on the side lines for the right opportunity is no fun. Most neophyte traders will likely immediately seek a new place to park their BTC as an investment. Right now, there is no question Blackcoin, Darkcoin, and Whitecoin are in a fierce competition for a limited amount of BTC which is within the exchanges and at play to trade with. Those very BTC are the necessary fuel for any and all growth. Lack of new BTC being fed into an altcoin means stagnation... And traders, particularly the new ones, "must" see action in order to feel they are "in the game". Thus a coin that meerly churns, meaning no new influx of BTC, will likely trade sideways, resulting in boredom, which psychologically progresses into anxiety. This anxiety, or felling that missed opportunities are passing at every moment as their altcoin investment meerly treads water inevitably leads to selling off and looking for a new and better play. --- CONSIDER THE FACTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH WHITECOIN The information, or disinformation that has been posted about Whitecoin lacks credibility In my opinion for a number of reasons. 1.) Timing: The release of this so called "highly critical and important information", information by which caused mass panic, was released to the public in the middle of the night on a Saturday/Sunday. A time most likely when the actual developers would be either asleep or out to dinner, or putting the kids to bed, and not available to respond to what was being posted. What professional developer would seriously disseminate important information to his community in the middle of the night on a weekend. And if so, why would he only do so only on this forum and on twitter, using brand new accounts with little to no posts. Lastly, why would he chose not to post this also on his own website? These factors in terms of timing are the main reason the information these posters provided I find to be highly suspicious and untrue. 2.) Users: All of the disinformation posted was posted by brand new accounts created within hours of the release of the said information. These users claimed to be a part of the development team. I consider this also to be highly suspect of foul play. 3.). PoW to PoS Transition: Whitecoin recently finalized its mining phase, and has now entered into its Proof of Stake phase. This switch occurred less than 72 hours ago. With any major switchover, there were some minor bugs that were immediately resolved. New PoS multipools were being set up by pool operators independent of Whitecoin. New pools almost always have things to work out as in a matter of hours the user load increases by huge amounts. The timing of this suspect information coincided with these minor issues, issues which in fact all coins have faced during a transition phase. I personally believe the attackers of Whitecoin timed their attack to exploit these minor bugs and add to any already existing stress within the Whitecoin community. To Note: Most, if not all of these minor issues have since been resolved. --- REALITYWhitecoin is now priced at levels that offer unprecedented opportunities to traders. This opportunity has been made available to the entire altcoin community at the expense of those who sold off and likely realized losses in their Whitecoin investments. The price levels we are seeing right now allow traders to get in at severely undervalued price points and ride the "rocketship" as many coiners call it, as the coin begins to recover. You have to remember: Coins like Blackcoin and Darkcoin were both at one point in time worth less than 1000 Satoshis. Yet these coins managed to skyrocket in value to levels of 90,000 and 500,000 respectively. The truth is this growth is impossible to sustain. 10,000% returns are now 100% impossible to see again with both Blackcoin and Darkcoin. If you didn't get in weeks ago, I'm sorry you missed the boat. Whitecoin however is a clearly different story. 1.) Whitecoin is perhaps the most publicized and rapidly accepted altcoin to hit the exchanges in months. Within a few weeks time it had been added to virtually all of the major exchanges, as well as listed on BitcoinWisdom. This alone is unprecedented. 2.) Whitecoin is the only one of the three "shadecoins", that being White, Dark, Black; that can actually grow by leaps and bounds. 1000%, 10,000%, 50,000% is certainly possible. This is what both Blackcoin and Darkcoin were able to achieve, but have since fallen considerably and become less attractive to the investment community. Whitecoin is the new kid on the block, he's gotten a lot of attention recently, and the other 2 shades aren't too happy their values have since been dropping as Whitecoin sucked up a lot of the volume and Market Cap. Now considering all three of these coins are speculative investments; as are ALL altcoins, there being still no mainstream acceptance in terms of being used as a payment method, you have to ask yourself this question... --- Why invest in any altcoin?- If you are investing in altcoins for the mere point of being a part of a world changing shift of how money is treated and transacted, invest in coins you see as having unique features or philanthropic aspects which appeal to your personal aspirations. You aren't in this for the money. You want to change the world. Honestly, I applaud you. - If you are investing and trading to make money, and capitalize on as much value growth as possible resulting in huge returns, you should be looking for oversold, underpriced options. These coins will be the ones that go from 700 to 250,000 and make you rich. A coin like Darkcoin would have to rise at its current price by a factor of 250 times to see the same growth... Growth that is a very real possibility with Whitecoin. That means that Darkcoin would have to near reach the price of Bitcoin. Personally, I do not see that as being even the most remote possibility. MY CONCLUSION The Blackcoin and Darkcoin ships have sailed. They made people who got in early and held for the months it took for the coin to go from 1000 to astronomical levels very rich. Blackcoin in particular took roughly 32 days to move from its final 900 level to 90,000. 32 days. It takes time. Those that bought and held, I am sure are now buying very nice houses. The past 24 hours have been filled with garbage posts which have no reliable information and lack integrity from all angles. Whitecoin in my opinion is the next player in what I refer to as HyperGrowth Capitalization. Growth that will make millionaires out of ordinary people. It may take 32 days as it did with Blackcoin, or even longer as in the case of Darkcoin. If you remember Bitcoin took years. However, It is the only coin as of right now that has the realistic potential to see such gains. It has a strong community. It's developers are actively engaged in promoting and advancing the coin into the future. It's incredibly oversold on bad information. I wish I had more BTC to buy in. But only time will tell. Don't take my words for the holy grail. But also don't listen to most of the negative information you will likely find on the Whitecoin board. Do research. Be a smart investor. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose. You can follow me on Twitter @Stratobitz I frequently post tips on what's breaking out, as well as what I feel is likely to correct or crash. Best of luck to all. Strato [/size] Not much to add other than... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wGd2NtdnflY%2FUQ5C3j9bXOI%2FAAAAAAAAI9U%2FErAkjFd5KBY%2Fs1600%2Fcitizen-kane-clapping.jpg&t=665&c=1E8ojuJSmeNVSg) Pure Awesomeness that whole speech is loaded full of Fud FUCKING UTTERLY DUMBSHIT darkcoin brought innovation to the table x11 darksend etc. BC was the first coin to be mined in such a short period first coin that hit full POS first coin with a multipool , while WC is just WC with nothing new. and no merchants want it. Your argument I gotta admit is pretty damn convincing. X11 you say? I never realized. I personally love innovation. The lightbulb, iPhone, washing machines... Can't live without those. And now X11. The world is still an amazing place full of new ideas just waiting to be discovered. X11. Man who knew right?! your one sad bagholder it's like talking to an abandoned building telling it it's gonna get torn down, the only one that heard it is the one that spoke it. WHITECOIN SUPPORTERS I am asking for a pledge. Let's all pledge just a little BTC to Zack. This is basically a bounty to have Zach go shoot a video of himself smelling some pretty roses and sitting in a calm place where he is able to cool off, relax, and find happiness. He will post the video to YouTube and send us the link. He also has to agree to go away. I pledge .10 BTC. Anyone with me?
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April 27, 2014, 11:00:20 PM |
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so is wc dead or alive?
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April 27, 2014, 11:00:56 PM |
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so is wc dead or alive?
Very alive my friend. We're just getting started.
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