AMT fucks us over again

[opieum2]

the next step in mr.zippkins plan is to sell all mined bitcoins and run. and then hide under a rock in bulgaria. btc price drops now and his mining farm will be worthless. i think no refunds for you or you or you!

He never intended to. He may claim it publicly but the leaked chats (search forum for zipkin leaked chat) he states otherwise.

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[opieum2]

Well appears BFL is down with the raid being pretty much a confirmed event. Looks like they are coming for AMT next

[opieum2]

It's happening. This is going to be Josh soon enough.

[opieum2]

So let's list what AMT_miners aka Joshua Zipkin has done.

For reference search forum for "AMT leak" or google it and find the various news articles on it.

-Cheated customers of various sums of money well over the million dollar mark (this has already been confirmed with the much larger orders)
-Threatened and/or intimidated (or attempted to) customers with lack of refunds or miners to require their silence (illegal to do).
-Posted (illegally) anyone's PRIVATE CUSTOMER information (including yours truly) breaking a number of US privacy laws in the process <- this one is a real stupid thing to have done in light of target and home depot hacks. So it's getting the attention it deserves.
-Made death threats to specific forum members and detailed such threats in private to customers.
-Made public claims of refunds, but in a private group chat stated he Joshua Zipkin would not refund customers. "fuck the MPP" was one of the various notable phrases used.
-Lied repeatedly to customers about shipping dates claiming 2-3 weeks but in reality had nothing to show for it. Again proof in the leaked chats.

This list could be a thread by itself, but these are the most notable items. And should be posted for reminder as to why we want justice. I hope those of you reading contact the FBI. They specifically handle these kinds of white collar crimes. If you need guidance on this please reach out via PM I have been in direct consultation with them on this. the more people come forward against Joshua Zipkin and AMT, the better chances this case gets a successful prosecution and we get our money lost back (even partial is better than nothing at this point).

[opieum2]

Well looks like the storm is coming

[Miramyn]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/

Hopefully AMT next

[opieum2]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788886.60
http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/23/official-ftc-complaint-butterfly-labs-obtained/

Relevant links. BFL and AMT have VERY similar circumstances and it appears that the FTC and federal government is starting to take action to address these  shady vendors. Law enforcement in various jurisdictions are also apparently showing an interest in this matter. It is important that we continue to press on as and contact law enforcement both local and federal until we get results. Joshua Zipkin pulled the same trick as BFL with delaying the launch of hardware.

From all appearances it seemed he had the China miners up for quite a while at least a month mining before even shipping them (I have pulled logs from a machine that has logs to show the machines operation time which is something that cannot be forged or falsified). While cgminer has no logs, the linux system does and gives quite a bit of insight into how long the machine was running, uptime and all that. This will vary with individual miners, but I imagine the variation will be minimal but consistent. Anyone who got the original image with their miner or created a backup will notice this if you have the Linux skills to look at it.

At any rate AMT is also in a much more damned position as there is far more evidence here including things said by the CEO to use to prove their fraudulently criminal behavior. I do hope that there is jailtime for Joshua Zipkin and his co-conspirators as well in all this. BFL has gone down and they were the big fish in all this. AMT is a relatively small fry but a notable one. These scammers are falling like dominos.

[opieum2]

AMT/ Joshua Zipkin saga = the village idiot version of the BFL scam. Draw parallels here.

-Failed to deliver in a timely manner (manufacturing errors first then later just delayed shipping as is proven in chats with Josh Zipkin BFL famous for this)
-mined with our hardware (proof is in linux logs in untouched miner image BFL bought a mining pool again proof)
-Lied about shipping repeatedly with the whole 2-3 week line (BFL should sue AMT for trademark infringement on that line)
-Spent OUR money on legal fight against US. (BFL did this too)
-Spent OUR money on 2-3 month stay in China and expenses (Luxuries as Joshua Zipkin living in Bulgaria at the moment)
-Spent OUR money on travel throughout Europe and US bitcoin conferences even sponsoring one.
-Stated he has no intention of refunding anyone ("Fuck the MPP" being the famous phrase he uttered this one is just stupid to admit to clients so yea village idiot version)
-Insulted, threatened or intimidated anyone who called him out on his lies or antics (Like BFL did)
-Kept a naughty and nice list (again this is unique to Joshua Zipkin villiage idiot edition)

All while having failed to deliver to a number of people even still AND or send parts missing miner deliveries.

[QuestionAuthority]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788886.60
http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/23/official-ftc-complaint-butterfly-labs-obtained/

Relevant links. BFL and AMT have VERY similar circumstances and it appears that the FTC and federal government is starting to take action to address these  shady vendors. Law enforcement in various jurisdictions are also apparently showing an interest in this matter. It is important that we continue to press on as and contact law enforcement both local and federal until we get results. Joshua Zipkin pulled the same trick as BFL with delaying the launch of hardware.

From all appearances it seemed he had the China miners up for quite a while at least a month mining before even shipping them (I have pulled logs from a machine that has logs to show the machines operation time which is something that cannot be forged or falsified). While cgminer has no logs, the linux system does and gives quite a bit of insight into how long the machine was running, uptime and all that. This will vary with individual miners, but I imagine the variation will be minimal but consistent. Anyone who got the original image with their miner or created a backup will notice this if you have the Linux skills to look at it.

At any rate AMT is also in a much more damned position as there is far more evidence here including things said by the CEO to use to prove their fraudulently criminal behavior. I do hope that there is jailtime for Joshua Zipkin and his co-conspirators as well in all this. BFL has gone down and they were the big fish in all this. AMT is a relatively small fry but a notable one. These scammers are falling like dominos.

But didn't he move to afscamistan or somewhere he can't be prosecuted?

[opieum2]

Well he is planning an appearance at Las Vegas....either that or whoever he sends in his place will be arrested in his stead. Either way its not going to go well for him. Bulgaria has a treaty with the US so if there is a felony charge he can be extradited back to the USA http://bulgaria.usembassy.gov/treat/extradition-treaty.html

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788886.60
http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/23/official-ftc-complaint-butterfly-labs-obtained/

Relevant links. BFL and AMT have VERY similar circumstances and it appears that the FTC and federal government is starting to take action to address these  shady vendors. Law enforcement in various jurisdictions are also apparently showing an interest in this matter. It is important that we continue to press on as and contact law enforcement both local and federal until we get results. Joshua Zipkin pulled the same trick as BFL with delaying the launch of hardware.

From all appearances it seemed he had the China miners up for quite a while at least a month mining before even shipping them (I have pulled logs from a machine that has logs to show the machines operation time which is something that cannot be forged or falsified). While cgminer has no logs, the linux system does and gives quite a bit of insight into how long the machine was running, uptime and all that. This will vary with individual miners, but I imagine the variation will be minimal but consistent. Anyone who got the original image with their miner or created a backup will notice this if you have the Linux skills to look at it.

At any rate AMT is also in a much more damned position as there is far more evidence here including things said by the CEO to use to prove their fraudulently criminal behavior. I do hope that there is jailtime for Joshua Zipkin and his co-conspirators as well in all this. BFL has gone down and they were the big fish in all this. AMT is a relatively small fry but a notable one. These scammers are falling like dominos.

But didn't he move to afscamistan or somewhere he can't be prosecuted?

[opieum2]

FYI Authorities both federal and local authorities are watching this forum like hawks now. Let's just say I have it on good authority on the matter. So I would suggest those of you who have been scammed by AMT start telling your story. If you have not previously posted please post. If not then at least file a report with the FTC ASAP. Joshua Zipkin/AMT is also on the hook here and ready to go down.

[rik_khaos]

BFL may be the first but they are surely not going to be the last. This is the FTCs first foray in the bitcoin space it sets precedent of how they well handle these issues. It will be much harder for them now to turn a blind eye to any other manufacturer/resellers. This is great news for not only us but the industry.

[Syke]

BFL may be the first but they are surely not going to be the last. This is the FTCs first foray in the bitcoin space it sets precedent of how they well handle these issues. It will be much harder for them now to turn a blind eye to any other manufacturer/resellers. This is great news for not only us but the industry.

Bitcoin exchange rate skyrocketing today. Looks like the market is very happy for this.

[rik_khaos]

BFL may be the first but they are surely not going to be the last. This is the FTCs first foray in the bitcoin space it sets precedent of how they well handle these issues. It will be much harder for them now to turn a blind eye to any other manufacturer/resellers. This is great news for not only us but the industry.

Bitcoin exchange rate skyrocketing today. Looks like the market is very happy for this.

That's what I was thinking, but it also loos like it may have got a little help from paypal too (or mostly) http://www.coindesk.com/paypal-announces-first-partnerships-bitcoin-space/

now if we could only leverage apple pay with bitcoin. Store the wallet address on the secure element of the phone like with the creditcards/debitcards have a payment process that uses tokenization (maybe though some one like coinbase, or bitpay) and then just use our fingers to pay via bitcoin at brick and motor merchants as easily as we can pay online merchants.

[opieum2]

BFL may be the first but they are surely not going to be the last. This is the FTCs first foray in the bitcoin space it sets precedent of how they well handle these issues. It will be much harder for them now to turn a blind eye to any other manufacturer/resellers. This is great news for not only us but the industry.

They won't be the last. Just spoke to the FTC in regards to BFL and others..... Wink there will be more of these busts. Let's just say I had my first of many conversations with the FTC and there will be more. BFL for starters (I was a defrauded BFL customer too) but unbeknownst to AMT I had filed one with the FTC in March as well.

[opieum2]

There is a new AMT home page @ amtminers.com, go to their social contact pages and tell your story

[tonyca]

There is a new AMT home page @ amtminers.com, go to their social contact pages and tell your story

Obviously they registered with new domain. and same phone number according to the site your mentioned.
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Philadelphia, USA Office

450 Johnson Str. 2nd Flr, Suite 201
Jenkintown, PA, 19046, USA

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com

Shenzhen, China Office

B1607 Saige Building,
Shenzhen, China, 518000

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com
Sofia, Bulgaria Office

Lyuben Karavelov No: 80, 1st Flr.
Sofia, Bulgaria, 1404

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com

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AMT_miners, I sent you a lot email following up, no reply,keep quiet is not really good thing to do.
where is my refund, you can not just keep quiet. Be a man and to be responsible.

[opieum2]

He could care less about the things we say to him. No the only thing that matters is making sure legal/criminal action. THE ONLY thing that matters to him is taking away the money he stole from us. That means getting the government to enforce the laws that are supposed to protect us from these types of things. His threats also require accountability. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

There is a new AMT home page @ amtminers.com, go to their social contact pages and tell your story

Obviously they registered with new domain. and same phone number according to the site your mentioned.
=======================================================

Philadelphia, USA Office

450 Johnson Str. 2nd Flr, Suite 201
Jenkintown, PA, 19046, USA

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com

Shenzhen, China Office

B1607 Saige Building,
Shenzhen, China, 518000

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com
Sofia, Bulgaria Office

Lyuben Karavelov No: 80, 1st Flr.
Sofia, Bulgaria, 1404

Phone: +1855-866-6463

E-Mail: sales@AMTminers.com
Web: http://amtminers.com

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AMT_miners, I sent you a lot email following up, no reply,keep quiet is not really good thing to do.
where is my refund, you can not just keep quiet. Be a man and to be responsible.

[rik_khaos]

I tried to click on their social networking things and nothing is filled in it just keeps giving me a 404 error.

[ranger1320]

Living outside of Philly and scamming..

These guys can't be too bright.

Either that or they're drug addicts.  Heroin or crack.