AMT fucks us over again

[Miramyn]

New slogan too
Manage Easier, Mine Smarter

At least the gave up pretending to be
ON THE LEVEL

lol

[Gleb Gamow]

Updated!: http://amtminers.wordpress.com/ 

[opieum2]

New slogan too
Manage Easier, Mine Smarter

At least the gave up pretending to be
ON THE LEVEL

lol

With that they may as well have said go to another vendor LOL. Setting these up is far from "easier" and buying from them is certainly not "smarter"

[opieum2]

http://amtminers.wordpress.com/

I suggest everyone who is dealing with issues with AMT has not gotten their order OR missing parts, OR it took them months to ship share on this page. Use google+ and post public your experience with AMT, twitter or whatever options are available. It is important that noone else be taken by Joshua Zipkin and AMT Miners, he has not made anyone whole and it is obvious with his dismissive attitude and antics and lies that he has no intention of it.

[opieum2]

Some SEO for amtminers.com and Joshua Zipkin

"amtminers Joshua Zipkin"
"amtminers joshua zipkin"
"Joshua Zipkin amtminers"
"joshua zipkin amtminers"
"amt miners"
"AMT miners"
"AMT Beam"
"Beam Miner"
"beam miner"
"Trey of chips"
"Amtminers.com scam"

[Flying Hellfish]

Some SEO for amtminers.com and Joshua Zipkin

"amtminers Joshua Zipkin"
"amtminers joshua zipkin"
"Joshua Zipkin amtminers"
"joshua zipkin amtminers"
"amt miners"
"AMT miners"
"AMT Beam"
"Beam Miner"
"beam miner"
"Trey of chips"
"Amtminers.com scam"

[opieum2]

If you have any searches of your own to add do so. Better as it increases the ranking so it can be picked up before the amtminers.com page goes fully to the top. Keeps him from continuing to scam people.

[rik_khaos]

I hate that this guy is trying to just wipe away the past like it didn't happen. Josh Zipkin is a scummy asshole.

"Josh Zipkin scam"
"AMT scam"
"amt scam"
"amtminers.com scam"
"amt fraud"
"AMT Fraud"
"amt Fraud"
"AMT fraud"
"AMT not US"
"AMT lies"
"Josh Zipkin cock-nosed asshole" ok  that one was just fun for me.
"josh Zipkin scammer"
"Josh zipkin scammer"
"Josh Zipkin scammer"
" Josh Zipkin bitcoin"
" Josh zipkin bitcoin scam"
"Josh Zipkin bitcoin scam"
"Josh Zipkin miner scam:
"Josh Zipkin mining scam"
"Josh Zipkin AMT scam"
"Josh Zipkin AMT miner scam"
"Josh zipkin http://thedealfair.com/ AMT"
" Josh Zipkin e-mail joshua@thedealfair.com"

I say we all try to contact Josh at this e-mail since he seems not to be answering any AMT related e-mail

joshua@thedealfair.com

[YourPalToots]

https://www.facebook.com/AMTUsers

[notbatman]

If this is mining "on the level" I just can't imagine what horrors the crooked mining companies are involved in.

[opieum2]

amtminers.com "Manage Easier. Mine Smarter." is the new slogan. Can't exactly use "on the level" when one is not honest can you?

[rik_khaos]

Is the change of slogan an admission of guilt or do you just think he doesn't like his own words used against him? If the latter is the case he has a long road ahead.

[opieum2]

Is the change of slogan an admission of guilt or do you just think he doesn't like his own words used against him? If the latter is the case he has a long road ahead.

[rik_khaos]

While we all await tomorrow's news on BFL and where things will be headed head for them I thought I would like to provide an update on the AMT class action.

Here are some of the more recent court documents from the case. I decided to plunk down a few bucks in the interest of figuring out where we stand and sharing the info with all of you. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_er85osA9tfYndiSUdLVl9iczA&usp=sharing

So the sad news is that the judge denied the class action. But the good news is the case isn't over and clenell's ( and really all of our potential) lawyers amended the claim adding three more plaintiffs. That amended claim hasn't had the class action denied or accepted, but the lawyers at Chimicles & Tikellis make some excellent arguments as to why it should be accepted, with lots of case law, in their Memorandum of Laws document.

There is a statement by Josh Zipkin it is an unsworn statment but he is still subject to penalty if he lied under it though. The final point in his statement reads:

 AMT has been inundated with customer complaints, letters from attorneys, badmouthing
and criticism on Bitcoin related social media sites and other lawsuits besides this one.
I have done my best to respond to each complaint and to find a solution for the customer and will
continue to do so.

I don't feel that statment is true. He has not done his best to respond to complaints and says as much in the chats where he said he ignores questions about the MPP.

Someone might want to contact the court on that front, with as much as he lies to us it isn't surprising he lies to the court.

[rik_khaos]

According to Josh and his sales and order list AMT only had 183 Orders for a total 219 miners.

The document is a mess though, order date and paid date are in the ddmmyyy format, but shipping dates are in the mmddyyyy (when they even follow that format anyway). It lists customers whose miners had shipped first, but rather than listing by order number it is listed by state. After separation by state the order as presented appears to be random. The ordered item has different names for the same product. The 1.2th/s miner is referred to  as  1.2th/s coin miner and as AMT1200 making it even harder to get a clear picture of what was ordered with a quick glance. At worst this was done to confuse the courts at best it just goes to show how disorganized AMT is and speaks to josh's self proclaimed inability to manage. It also speaks to his incompetence as a businessman.

The lowest order number I see is 492, the highest is 1700. I'm not sure why though as they only sold 183 orders.  Seems to me that perhaps they wanted to start with higher order numbers to make it seem like a considerable amount of orders were already placed. But that is purely speculation on my part.

Largest order on the list was $50,000 followed closely by $41,000

Order date of #492 was 10/8/2013 for a 1.2th/s at the time AMT submitted this document they had only fulfilled 45 orders order #492 was not one of them.

Mine however was ordered on 1/31/2013 and shipped before #492. It's important to note that AMT counts the broken ass rigs they sent out as complete orders as mine is dated April 7th 2014.

I see opieum's order and can only identify it by the fact that Josh put his name out in the open. Important for it to be noted that with AMT you have no privacy.

[opieum2]

While we all await tomorrow's news on BFL and where things will be headed head for them I thought I would like to provide an update on the AMT class action.

Here are some of the more recent court documents from the case. I decided to plunk down a few bucks in the interest of figuring out where we stand and sharing the info with all of you. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_er85osA9tfYndiSUdLVl9iczA&usp=sharing

So the sad news is that the judge denied the class action. But the good news is the case isn't over and clenell's ( and really all of our potential) lawyers amended the claim adding three more plaintiffs. That amended claim hasn't had the class action denied or accepted, but the lawyers at Chimicles & Tikellis make some excellent arguments as to why it should be accepted, with lots of case law, in their Memorandum of Laws document.

There is a statement by Josh Zipkin it is an unsworn statment but he is still subject to penalty if he lied under it though. The final point in his statement reads:

AMT has been inundated with customer complaints, letters from attorneys, badmouthing
and criticism on Bitcoin related social media sites and other lawsuits besides this one.
I have done my best to respond to each complaint and to find a solution for the customer and will
continue to do so.

I don't feel that statment is true. He has not done his best to respond to complaints and says as much in the chats where he said he ignores questions about the MPP.

Someone might want to contact the court on that front, with as much as he lies to us it isn't surprising he lies to the court.

This....wtf??? I think everyone here knows he publicly passed the buck off support to me. One of his customers who happened to be technically inclined. He deleted the post of course not too long after. But he has a consistent pattern of no support. and the complaints clearly state it. Anyone want to add their experience with the hardware? OR lack of hardware? Or missing parts? Feel free to add your experience no matter where you are from. "Joshua Zipkin is a compulsive liar".

[rik_khaos]

Hem opieum of you think what I found in the AMT documents is good then I urge you to go check out the BFL thread. You can thank me latter.

[opieum2]

lol yea man. That was excellent stuff. Plenty of precedent. I have been mostly getting people connected. There is plenty going on. It is only a matter of time before Josh is forced to deal with the consequences. Joshua Zipkin probably thinks he is untouchable and I am sure this case situation change certainly reinforces that idea. Again seeing the case status it would be in everyone's best interest to file reports with the FTC. They clearly do take action.

[opieum2]

With the inside bitcoins conference coming up and AMT being there, seems like we should make sure conference attendees should be aware of the fact that AMT is a problematic vendor at best. Least now that we know the FTC goes after companies for doing  the things that AMT did (BFL actually is now in hot water over) then it stands to reason AMT will be next.

[clenell]

i will let everyone know at that conference AMT miners is a fucking scam.