[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014

[bbreconomy]

I noticed this coin always go up and down with Monero, It looks like a clean launched fork of cryptonote, maybe the Litecoin to Monero's Bitcoin in the future.

Indeed the BBR emission schedule is even slower than XMR.

XDN has the fastest emission, then BCN then XMR with BBR being the slowest of the 4 major coins.

Hopefully Crypto Zoidberg has some good news to share soon

[bigj]

I noticed this coin always go up and down with Monero, It looks like a clean launched fork of cryptonote, maybe the Litecoin to Monero's Bitcoin in the future.

Indeed the BBR emission schedule is even slower than XMR.

XDN has the fastest emission, then BCN then XMR with BBR being the slowest of the 4 major coins.

Hopefully Crypto Zoidberg has some good news to share soon

If Zoidberg is not acting any soon, someone else might takeover the project... any development is better than none. Much remains to be done.

[bytemuma]

It seems that Crypto Zoidberg is working hard in Louisd´or, maybe Boolberry will have the update that they are working in Louisd´or.

[damashup]

If Zoidberg is not acting any soon, someone else might takeover the project...

Not sure we're anywhere near that stage given this:

Hi folk!
How's it going ?

Just want to mention that i'm here and i'll be able to spend more time on BBR in the near future.


Zoidberg

Much remains to be done.

What specifically needs to be done? Does the work need to be undertaken by CZ or is it stuff that we can offer a bounty for?

[temroa]

guys does anyone knows is this miner supports compute capability 2.1 ? https://github.com/tpruvot/bbr-cudaminer

[bbreconomy]

Much remains to be done.

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What specifically needs to be done? Does the work need to be undertaken by CZ or is it stuff that we can offer a bounty for?
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I would like to see all sorts of services built that accept BBR as payment

I had plans to launch a website similar to xmr.to long ago but cannot because BBR currently lacks the liquidity for me to help facilitate any sizable transactions (without demanding huge margins to compensate).

If people start using BBR as a currency, trading volume will increase and my liquidity problem goes away.

BBR has a great GUI, the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins and a minimum mixin value to protect users privacy. Potential is great but we need an economy to be built for BBR to be a useful currency

[damashup]

Much remains to be done.



What specifically needs to be done? Does the work need to be undertaken by CZ or is it stuff that we can offer a bounty for?


I would like to see all sorts of services built that accept BBR as payment

I had plans to launch a website similar to xmr.to long ago but cannot because BBR currently lacks the liquidity for me to help facilitate any sizable transactions (without demanding huge margins to compensate).

If people start using BBR as a currency, trading volume will increase and my liquidity problem goes away.

BBR has a great GUI, the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins and a minimum mixin value to protect users privacy. Potential is great but we need an economy to be built for BBR to be a useful currency

So bbr.to can be built with the requisite margins & tx sizes  until liquidity increases? Is it just maths? - i.e. tighten the margins and increase tx size as liquidity improves? Or is it more than this?

That's xmr.to seems to be doing. Tx limit is 1 BTC and quotes have a decent margin built in. Quotes are also limited in time. All variables that can be tweaked as required. Perhaps you could also reserve the right to cancel orders if there is unusual market or service activity during the transaction.

I think this is a great service however it will be some time before bbr.to or xmr.to gain market traction given that the amount of BTC transactions online is tiny compared to fiat. It will require long term thinking, commitment and investment (in time and money). If you have this, the sooner you can get bbr.to up and running the better!

What other services are required to build this economy?

[smooth]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

[damashup]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

[jwinterm]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

All's fair in love and crypto.

Seriously though, I wish someone would fork duckdarkdigitalnote and change the emission curve to be 50 years instead of 50 days, and call it an experiment in authoritarianism (since dNote loves to say that his super fast emission curve is somehow related to an experiment in libertarianism).

[smooth]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

No, I wouldn't, necessarily. As I said, where does it end?

[damashup]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

No, I wouldn't, necessarily. As I said, where does it end?

Where it ends is irrelevant, it's just one of many features that makes BBR appealing.

My iPhone has a better camera than my beat-up old generation Nokia. I don't ask 'where do pixel sizes end' when taking pictures of my kids, I just use the iPhone. Neither do I look to newer phones (with better cameras) because on balance my iPhone is more suited for my purpose. Neither do I lay awake at night hypothesising on whether there could one day be a better phone (xPhone) that trumps my iPhone in every aspect. Or there could be 'yPhone' that trumps 'xPhone'... therein lays the road to madness!  

BBR is secure, fast, has a user-friendly GUI, all built from bottom up, with minimal fuss or fanfare, by a single Dev that's seems the most knowledgeable about Cryptonote technology.

The emission curve, along with mixin and other features are additional strings to the BBR bow.

It's the pick of the Cryptonote coins that happens to be chronically undervalued (relative to the others) IMO.

Full disclosure I own BBR, XMR and even have some XDN laying around somewhere.

[smooth]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

No, I wouldn't, necessarily. As I said, where does it end?

Where it ends is irrelevant, it's just one of many features that makes BBR appealing.

My iPhone has a better camera than my beat-up old generation Nokia. I don't ask 'where do pixel sizes end' when taking pictures of my kids, I just use the iPhone. Neither do I look to newer phones (with better cameras) because on balance my iPhone is more suited for my purpose. Neither do I lay awake at night hypothesising on whether there could one day be a better phone (xPhone) that trumps my iPhone in every aspect. Or there could be 'yPhone' that trumps 'xPhone'... therein lays the road to madness!  

BBR is secure, fast, has a user-friendly GUI, all built from bottom up, with minimal fuss or fanfare, by a single Dev that's seems the most knowledgeable about Cryptonote technology.

The emission curve, along with mixin and other features are additional strings to the BBR bow.

It's the pick of the Cryptonote coins that happens to be chronically undervalued (relative to the others) IMO.

Full disclosure I own BBR, XMR and even have some XDN laying around somewhere

Now you are completely changing the subject. I never said anything negative at all about BBR, I just questioned the premise that slower/smoother = fairer. 

If it were a matter of slower=fairer then someone making a new one like QCN would be an argument that existing coins with a faster curve, like BBN, are less fair. I don't see it.

[damashup]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

No, I wouldn't, necessarily. As I said, where does it end?

Where it ends is irrelevant, it's just one of many features that makes BBR appealing.

My iPhone has a better camera than my beat-up old generation Nokia. I don't ask 'where do pixel sizes end' when taking pictures of my kids, I just use the iPhone. Neither do I look to newer phones (with better cameras) because on balance my iPhone is more suited for my purpose. Neither do I lay awake at night hypothesising on whether there could one day be a better phone (xPhone) that trumps my iPhone in every aspect. Or there could be 'yPhone' that trumps 'xPhone'... therein lays the road to madness!  

BBR is secure, fast, has a user-friendly GUI, all built from bottom up, with minimal fuss or fanfare, by a single Dev that's seems the most knowledgeable about Cryptonote technology.

The emission curve, along with mixin and other features are additional strings to the BBR bow.

It's the pick of the Cryptonote coins that happens to be chronically undervalued (relative to the others) IMO.

Full disclosure I own BBR, XMR and even have some XDN laying around somewhere

Now you are completely changing the subject. I never said anything negative at all about BBR, I just questioned the premise that slower/smoother = fairer. 

If it were a matter of slower=fairer then someone making a new one like QCN would be an argument that existing coins with a faster curve, like BBN, are less fair. I don't see it.

You've questioned the premise without making a case to the contrary. If you have an alternative viewpoint, and care to share it, it would be good to hear?

Equally, if the viewpoint that slower = fairer means QCN has an even fairer curve than BBR, fair enough.

My point is that 'rate of emission' is one of many facets to a coin and one that (as you say) can be always be better by a new coin... so would need to be considered in conjunction with everything else.

(NB: wasn't implying you said anything negative about BBR, I was merely taking the opportunity to emphasise the 'everything else' that BBR brings to the party. This is the BBR thread after all!)

[bbreconomy]

I knew I recognized the name from somewhere!!

btw this can still be found on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Cereal-Booberry-9-6-Ounce-Boxes/dp/B005DQGKIW

Unfortunately it looks like some of the boxes may be past their expiration date according to the Amazon reviews.  I may order some anyway for fun and in case I can think of creative ways to give it away and promote BBR

I now have in my possession several boxes of Booberry.

Any ideas for a viral video (maybe some of eating competition perhaps with a prop bet made with BBR) to help bring attention to our innovative currency?

[bbreconomy]

In terms of what needs to be done......

I think the community can help right now by contacting merchants.  We have a lot of users that I am sure are eager to spend their BBR. Having a fully functional GUI will make that easy.  

We could start by contacting merchants who highly value the privacy of their users.

I think bounties would be very reasonable (perhaps for both the merchant and the person who signed them up).

I do not want to be involved in collecting donations or awarding the bounties myself.  Do we have any trusted community members that can assume that role?

[smooth]

the slowest (fairest) emission schedule of all cryptonote coins

Quazarcoin is even slower but the idea that slowest=fairest is kind of silly considering that someone could just create another one that is even slower than Quazarcoin. Where does it end?

True but would you concede the point that slower = fairer to later adopters?
(Or better still smoother = fairer  )

No, I wouldn't, necessarily. As I said, where does it end?

Where it ends is irrelevant, it's just one of many features that makes BBR appealing.

My iPhone has a better camera than my beat-up old generation Nokia. I don't ask 'where do pixel sizes end' when taking pictures of my kids, I just use the iPhone. Neither do I look to newer phones (with better cameras) because on balance my iPhone is more suited for my purpose. Neither do I lay awake at night hypothesising on whether there could one day be a better phone (xPhone) that trumps my iPhone in every aspect. Or there could be 'yPhone' that trumps 'xPhone'... therein lays the road to madness! 

BBR is secure, fast, has a user-friendly GUI, all built from bottom up, with minimal fuss or fanfare, by a single Dev that's seems the most knowledgeable about Cryptonote technology.

The emission curve, along with mixin and other features are additional strings to the BBR bow.

It's the pick of the Cryptonote coins that happens to be chronically undervalued (relative to the others) IMO.

Full disclosure I own BBR, XMR and even have some XDN laying around somewhere

Now you are completely changing the subject. I never said anything negative at all about BBR, I just questioned the premise that slower/smoother = fairer. 

If it were a matter of slower=fairer then someone making a new one like QCN would be an argument that existing coins with a faster curve, like BBN, are less fair. I don't see it.

You've questioned the premise without making a case to the contrary. If you have an alternative viewpoint, and care to share it, it would be good to hear?

Equally, if the viewpoint that slower = fairer means QCN has an even fairer curve than BBR, fair enough.

My point is that 'rate of emission' is one of many facets to a coin and one that (as you say) can be always be better by a new coin... so would need to be considered in conjunction with everything else.

(NB: wasn't implying you said anything negative about BBR, I was merely taking the opportunity to emphasise the 'everything else' that BBR brings to the party. This is the BBR thread after all!)

Yeah, my view is that at this point anything reasonable is worthy of experiment and we can see what the market accepts. Even XDN is on the borderline of that.

Fairness, if discussed at all (and I would argue it often shouldn't be since the concept is so subjective), should be considered more on the basis of process than parameters, and here is where would take issue with XDN because I don't like how they keep rebranding/refocusing after essentially all of the coins are already mined/premined/instamined/whatever-you-want-to-call it. The way it was done looks manipulative to me (opinion).

So, to keep it on topic, I think BBR emissions are fair and other fairly launched and developed coins are also fair whether they happen to be somewhat faster or slower than BBR.

[damashup]

In terms of what needs to be done......

I think the community can help right now by contacting merchants.  We have a lot of users that I am sure are eager to spend their BBR. Having a fully functional GUI will make that easy.  

We could start by contacting merchants who highly value the privacy of their users.

I think bounties would be very reasonable (perhaps for both the merchant and the person who signed them up).

I do not want to be involved in collecting donations or awarding the bounties myself.  Do we have any trusted community members that can assume that role?

Bounties for building technology or creating new services that benefit BBR, I understand.
Bounties for marketing and promotion activity that build the BBR brand, I get.
Sweeteners for merchant adoption I'm dubious of.

What merchants did you have in mind? And if the use case is valid (i.e. a win/ win for merchant and their customer base), why the need to pay anyone a bounty?

[bbreconomy]

In terms of what needs to be done......

I think the community can help right now by contacting merchants.  We have a lot of users that I am sure are eager to spend their BBR. Having a fully functional GUI will make that easy.  

We could start by contacting merchants who highly value the privacy of their users.

I think bounties would be very reasonable (perhaps for both the merchant and the person who signed them up).

I do not want to be involved in collecting donations or awarding the bounties myself.  Do we have any trusted community members that can assume that role?

Bounties for building technology or creating new services that benefit BBR, I understand.
Bounties for marketing and promotion activity that build the BBR brand, I get.
Sweeteners for merchant adoption I'm dubious of.

What merchants did you have in mind? And if the use case is valid (i.e. a win/ win for merchant and their customer base), why the need to pay anyone a bounty?

I tend to agree with you that sweeteners for merchant adoption are not ideal.  Perhaps we should start by encouraging anyone in this thread who owns a business to start accepting BBR.

For those outside of our community the sales pitch will be slightly more difficult since we will have to convince them that accepting BBR will either lead to increased sales from new customers or improved satisfaction from existing privacy focused customers.

We can start small. Perhaps someone wants to create and sell BBR branded tshirts to community members. Then we could target VPN services that already accept BTC (they have many customers who care about privacy). If we could convince shapeshift.io to add us that could really help us as well.

[damashup]

In terms of what needs to be done......

I think the community can help right now by contacting merchants.  We have a lot of users that I am sure are eager to spend their BBR. Having a fully functional GUI will make that easy.  

We could start by contacting merchants who highly value the privacy of their users.

I think bounties would be very reasonable (perhaps for both the merchant and the person who signed them up).

I do not want to be involved in collecting donations or awarding the bounties myself.  Do we have any trusted community members that can assume that role?

Bounties for building technology or creating new services that benefit BBR, I understand.
Bounties for marketing and promotion activity that build the BBR brand, I get.
Sweeteners for merchant adoption I'm dubious of.

What merchants did you have in mind? And if the use case is valid (i.e. a win/ win for merchant and their customer base), why the need to pay anyone a bounty?

I tend to agree with you that sweeteners for merchant adoption are not ideal.  Perhaps we should start by encouraging anyone in this thread who owns a business to start accepting BBR.

For those outside of our community the sales pitch will be slightly more difficult since we will have to convince them that accepting BBR will either lead to increased sales from new customers or improved satisfaction from existing privacy focused customers.

We can start small. Perhaps someone wants to create and sell BBR branded tshirts to community members. Then we could target VPN services that already accept BTC (they have many customers who care about privacy). If we could convince shapeshift.io to add us that could really help us as well.

Setting up an online store to sell branded BBR t-shirts/ apparel I can look into... I know a couple of people that do that stuff. I also have a few ideas around t-shirt design.

Anyone in contact with Bitcrea? I'll need large high quality images of the logo - assuming no-one objects to me using the brand/ going down this route.

I'll look to sell apparel for fiat however offer substantial discounts for those purchasing with BBR. Start small and see where it leads.