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March 01, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
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Let me translate the troll post for everyone:


Hi, I'm Icebreaker. Zoidberg please don't return to work on Boolberry! I don't like competition for Monero.
 Cry Cry Cry

I must say that was quick. Glad to have the Monero spokesperson join the thread!


He's not great with numbers if he believes 1% would be enough to fund development, it wouldn't pay the listing fee's never mind the developers.
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March 01, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
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 #9082

Let me translate the troll post for everyone:


Hi, I'm Icebreaker. Zoidberg please don't return to work on Boolberry! I don't like competition for Monero.
 Cry Cry Cry

I must say that was quick. Glad to have the Monero spokesperson join the thread!


He's not great with numbers if he believes 1% would be enough to fund development, it wouldn't pay the listing fee's never mind the developers.

The problem with people like him is they don't know anything about research, software development or hiring because they've never done anything in their lives but troll forums. Some of the guys I work with are $600/hr +. Given Zoidberg's experience with Cryptonote, familiarity with the codebase and competence as a developer I would be put him in the same category with respect to working on a CN project. At that time, Boolberry was trading for pennies on the dollar. At 1% the burn rate was much too high to keep active on the project and be able to keep his lights on, let alone pay for internet access to make commits. This is probably one of the reasons why he was able to be recruited by the other team to work on the Louis project so that he could earn a steady income.

I'm not standing up for his original decision to leave Boolberry, just saying that people gotta eat and that might be reason why he left the project in the first place.
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March 01, 2018, 02:45:02 PM
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Here is a script that will help any RoR-based exchange integrate Boolberry into their system. It will also help those exchanges using other language frameworks to view logic needed for integration.

https://github.com/Boolberry/boolberry-exchange-script
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March 01, 2018, 02:48:49 PM
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Kucoin when?=)

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Kucoin when?=)

Now that we have provided them with this script it should be any moment. I'll let everyone know as soon as we start testing deposits and withdrawals.

In the future, when dealing with any exchanges that possess no prior knowledge of CN integration, send them this script for expediting the process. Also a link to documentation for Boolberry will be helpful: http://dbminer.info/boolberry-rpc/html/
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March 01, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
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Here is a script that will help any RoR-based exchange integrate Boolberry into their system. It will also help those exchanges using other language frameworks to view logic needed for integration.

https://github.com/Boolberry/boolberry-exchange-script

The script only works if you operate an unsecured wallet (no authentication for interacting with the JSON RPC), and it flat out assumes that each time it loops every 120 seconds it will be precisely 1 block height higher, never the same height or never more than 1 block further ahead.  It also looks like it sleeps for 120 seconds between pushing each transaction to the exchange API? Am I seeing that right? So a block with 10 transactions would take 20 minutes to iterate through and flat out miss the past 20  minutes of blocks? Even if no transactions that block, it still sleeps for 120 seconds and would miss any faster blocks or re-process the same one if the network was slow? I'm not a ruby dev, so please someone tell me I'm insane.

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March 02, 2018, 01:43:34 AM
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Kucoin when?=)

Now that we have provided them with this script it should be any moment. I'll let everyone know as soon as we start testing deposits and withdrawals.

In the future, when dealing with any exchanges that possess no prior knowledge of CN integration, send them this script for expediting the process. Also a link to documentation for Boolberry will be helpful: http://dbminer.info/boolberry-rpc/html/

How many are running on Ruby? Well, it is easy enough to read and translate, its just interacting with the RPC and daemon in JSON

                                     
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March 02, 2018, 01:46:37 AM
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Hm, for anybody that wants to send Pull Requests, should we all change our github upstream to https://github.com/Boolberry/boolberry.git ? instead of crypto-zoidberg's github?

                                     
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March 02, 2018, 01:59:05 AM
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General Heads up! Changelly is freezing funds for users converting to Monero.

They do not deliver the funds, and require the user to follow up with the helpdesk where they later email you asking for ID for AML/KYC and still continue to not refund or deliver in any predictable schedule if at all.

                                     
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March 02, 2018, 02:05:51 AM
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https://btc-alpha.com/ is scam,
no support and no response to any problem.

Btc-Alpha is not a scam, Ive personally used it many times. We have to get out of this habit of calling exchanges scams just because support for them isnt lightning fast. They realistically only have probably 4 or 5 people working on tickets and i imagine they're working on them in the order they were submitted so it just might take a little longer to get to yours.
what's a scam,
deposited 100 bbr on 2/24, but today is 3/2, still not show in my balance, they have no support and never reply to me.
you told me what's a scam??
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March 02, 2018, 03:33:30 AM
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I must say that was quick. Glad to have the Monero spokesperson join the thread!

He's not great with numbers if he believes 1% would be enough to fund development, it wouldn't pay the listing fee's never mind the developers.

The problem with people like him is they don't know anything about research, software development or hiring because they've never done anything in their lives but troll forums. Some of the guys I work with are $600/hr +. Given Zoidberg's experience with Cryptonote, familiarity with the codebase and competence as a developer I would be put him in the same category with respect to working on a CN project. At that time, Boolberry was trading for pennies on the dollar. At 1% the burn rate was much too high to keep active on the project and be able to keep his lights on, let alone pay for internet access to make commits. This is probably one of the reasons why he was able to be recruited by the other team to work on the Louis project so that he could earn a steady income.

I'm not standing up for his original decision to leave Boolberry, just saying that people gotta eat and that might be reason why he left the project in the first place.

Of all the people to accuse of being unable to research, it's hilarious you would pick me!  I've forgotten the floorplans of more libraries than you'll ever visit, you silly pleb. Smiley

CZ has already accepted my logic in choosing to rebase BBR on the latest Monero release rather than start over from scratch or where he left off.  So IDK why you would believe I "don't know anything about research, software development or hiring."  My input on the Rune rebranding fiasco also carried the day.

I know CZ is a great dev and have been a Wild Keccak fanboy for years.  My posts all over this forum demonstrate that is an unquestionable, well-established fact.

The problem is great devs are hyper-specialists and due to Dunning-Kruger often fail to listen to generalists like me at exactly the crucial times when they most need to defer to those with greater expertise in multidisciplinary areas like economics, linguistics, and marketing.

We all know CZ left BBR for better paying work on Louisd'or.  But nobody except me is asking what happened to that rationale for his abandoning BBR, which resulted in the dev tax and community donations being rendered essentially worthless.  He broke his social contract and the purported advantages of doing so never materialized, and outcome which externalized the costs of his choices and actions to donors and bagholders.

Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Monero all managed to have great success despite (or more probably because of) having a 0% dev tax.  Stop white knighting for CZ; he made this mess and left BBR donors+bagholders twisting in the wind.

Long ago, I offered to help improve the areas where BBR was weakest.  I was prepared to voluntarily serve on a silver platter CZ and the BBR community my incomparably complementary skill set.  But he was either too proud or too stubborn to accept a role as anything other than dictator for life, so BBR remained a stunted vanity project until he eventually left it relegated to abandonware status.

Let's all note how tacky and evasive it is for CZ to respond to my pertinent inquiry regarding the Louisd'or code with an aggressive ad-hom deflection unfairly and dishonestly referring to me as an "old opponent of BBR from Monero clan."

Here's an olive branch.  I have a designed a truly 3rd generation Cryptonote coin based on everything that has happened with BBR/XMR/etc. so far and which thus benefits from all those lessons and all that hindsight.

I'll share the whitepaper with CZ and let him be the lead dev for the project, provided he stops his suspiciously flaky on-again/off-again relationship with BBR (and Louisd'or), which only serves to string along long-suffering BBR bagholders and further cement his reputation as a competent yet inexplicably shifty developer/cryptographer.

Due to all this past drama and sketchiness, BBR will never achieve its goal of being the Litecoin to Monero.  The only viable path forward is to start over with an apology and a clean slate.  Otherwise, BBR will wind up being the Dash of the Cryptonote family and be related to 3rd or 4th place, behind Aeon, Bytecoin, and DigitalNote.


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Great news everyone!

A few of my research colleagues held a presentation today at fc18 (http://fc18.ifca.ai/). For those unaware, this is the most prestigious cryptography conference of the year in cooperation with The International Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR). A portion of the presentation was reserved for the advancements we've made in our new Boolberry V2 research paper. It's been getting quite a bit of interest from the cryptography community and as a result has given the project massive exposure to the general academic community. Due to the amount of interest generated from the conference, we're aiming to have the paper published very soon.

Here are the slides from the conference:
docdro.id/q4GQMFV
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Hello Everyone:

As most of you are aware, there have been development efforts on Boolberry over the course of the past 8 months.  This path has been riddled with uncertainty surrounding crypto_zoidberg, his commitment, his availability and the best path forward for Boolberry. 

A second external attempt to bring life back to Boolberry began with B4h4mu7 hiring a slew of developers, and cryptographers to get acclimated to the CryptoNote codebase.  After several months of research and deliberation, they introduced the concept of forking the recently released Bytecoin 2.0 codebase, a new mining algorithm, whitepaper, among other improvements. 

All this work and investment was done without any reliance on crypto_zoidberg being available.  The support for the fork was unanimous, and really illustrated the desire of the community to have committed leadership, active development, and a clear direction forward. 

Shortly after the community had signaled its support for a fork, crypto_zoidberg reached out and articulated his conundrum. 


Here is an overview of what he communicated: 

1.   Having been the original creator of Boolberry and Wild Keccak, he expressed a strong desire to see the project achieve its full potential and regain status as one of the top privacy coins.

Original Project announcement:      
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0

2.   He explained how different things are now, where new forks / ICOs have built-in development funds, but when Boolberry was created, it was a fair launch and that in 2014, anything else was frowned upon, if not flatly rejected by the market.  He described the current high demand and cost of top developers.  He admittedly regrets putting such a low mining tax, of 1% (which is split among multiple contributors) and acknowledged this miscalculation as not being sufficient to attract and maintain top developers, as well as have resources for marketing, PR, exchange fees etc.

Here is a post from 2014, which illustrates that the 1% mining tax, at that time, equated to about $750 per month, which was clearly insufficient.  To eliminate any debate on this topic, even at today’s rates, 1% is equal to just under $2,000 per month, which remains clearly insufficient.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg9111378#msg9111378

3.   Importantly, he communicated his availability, as he has completed all prior obligations, and this was primarily in response to inquiring about a CryptoNote hybrid PoS / PoW project that he announced in December of 2014.

4.   He described how Monero really got traction from early adopters, namely Risto Pietilla, and the support he provided not only through supporting the market as an investor, but also as a top contributor to help fund their early development and the formation of a core team.

Here is an insightful article about Risto:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/finnish-investor-plans-to-turn-estonian-castle-into-a-bitcoin-center

5.   He shared his vision and strategy for catapulting Boolberry back to its prior rank in the privacy coin vertical.  (At one point, it was a top 30 overall market cap coin, which now requires a market cap in excess of $800,000,000.) 

6.   Except for having adequate funding, he has a top-notch team in place, that has a history of working together on a prior project.

7.   He concluded by communicating that he and his team are ready, willing, and able but need support for fundraising and community outreach.


It didn't take much time, after having these discussions, to realize exactly where we needed to focus our efforts to be most effective in facilitating his return and empowering him and the team to show what they are capable of, and finally unlocking the tremendous value that sits before us all.

 I have been working diligently to coordinate with a large group of long-time holders to help coordinate a first round of fund raising that will provide an important bridge for the project.  It will afford us the focus and commitment of crypto_zoidberg and his team and give him the opportunity to earn back / restore the trust within the community. 

My hope (and candidly, my expectation) is that subsequent fundraising will ensue as progress is made, milestones are met, and confidence and trust are both restored.


I want to start by giving some of the newer investors a brief overview of the history and legacy of Boolberry:


1.   Boolberry was announced on April 20th, 2014 and launched on May 17th, 2014

2.   During this short window, crypto_zoidberg was working at a brisk pace to implement unique features that set it apart from other forks around that same time including Monero, among others.

3.   In a span of just over 3 weeks, he added the alias features, a pruning mechanism to manage bloat, and a new SHA-3 (keccak) derived PoW Algorithm called Wild Keccak, which has never been shown to have any unfair advantage as compared to CryptoNight.  (see link below)

https://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

4.   Following the release of this new CryptoNote family of coins, there were very high expectations for Boolberry relative to its peers.  According to coinmarketcap.com Boolberry on its first day of trading (June 4th, 2014) was at 185k sat, and about 3 months later on September 5th, 2014, BBR hit 120k sat.  As an aside, Polinex voluntarily listed Boolberry without any request.

5.   On December 9th, 2014, crypto_zoidberg announced a new CryptoNote project with hybrid PoS / PoW consensus.  This has been his primary focus for the past several years, and he has fulfilled his obligations to that project, but him and his team have never stopped innovating.

6.   Having shifted his focus to this new project, Boolberry was somewhat abandoned.  There was a period of almost 2 years with minimal commits to the GitHub repo.  Prices fell accordingly, and in September 2016 there was an announcement by 1blockologist of some “grassroots” attempt to bring Boolberry back to the limelight.  After 6 months of efforts, for reasons that are conjecture at best, their efforts ceased.  This transitory pique in interest followed by a lack of development, arguably precipitated multiple delisting’s, from both Polinex and Bittrex, among others.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1611499.0

7.   As the grass roots efforts were winding down, crypto_zoidberg made a post that he would return to Boolberry in late 2017, but also highlighted the difference between buying a coin, and investing in a development team, and the need and importance for them to co-exist.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg17761651#msg17761651


This brings us back to where I had started up above.

In summary, crypto_zoidberg and his team reached out and reiterated their intention and desire to return to the Boolberry project along with the challenges relative to funding as described above.  After extensive conversation, there is a consensus that the best path forward is for us to join efforts in reaching out to the community for project funding that will enable a team led by crypto_zoidberg to commit on a full-time basis going forward.  He will lead a team of developers, and will also have the support of a well experienced marketing / PR team to manage non-technical aspects and community outreach.

I have personally reached out to many long-time supporters and holders of Boolberry, at first, I got somewhat of a mixed initial reaction. 

Some people were so enthusiastic about the prospect of his return that their support was unconditional, and others have shared their concern that he has let them down in the past with unkept promises of his return. 

Even the people that were skeptical at first, have committed to be supportive after they see that he is active, certain improvements have been implemented (LMDB in particular) and the trust has been restored that this is his full-time focus as would be evidenced by the GitHub activity.

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg


I have taken the initiative in leading a community effort to raise funds for this project.  I think the value proposition is clear.  I will keep everyone informed as progress is made.  CZ will be creating a new BBR project funding address along with a viewkey on the donation address, so everyone can see contributions in real-time. 

I expect the first round of funding to be completed in the next 7-10 days (at the latest), and we will be releasing the new website, roadmap, and a reveal of the team / contributors shortly thereafter.  In the meantime, progress is being made each day as CZ and his team are working tirelessly, to make up for lost time, and then focus on innovation and re-establishing Boolberry as a contender to be a top privacy coin.


If anyone has any questions or comments, please feel free to comment here or send me a PM. 

Additionally, I want to be clear on this important point: 

Even though, I have emphasized the importance of large holders during this initial fundraising phase, we want to hear from everyone here.  I do not want anyone to ever feel like they aren't a big enough holder to matter.  This is a community effort, everyone matters, and we implore you all to share your thoughts and feelings regarding the aforementioned direction.   

Until the new webiste is released with a new contribution address / public viewkey, please make all contributions to support our efforts to @zoidberg along with a PM if you wish to be acknowledged on the contributors page.


Thank you everyone for your presence, your interest, and we are excited to share the vision and our plans for
Boolberry in the near future.  Your patience will be rewarded, as it often is. Smiley


I'll leave you with a favorite quote of mine by Wayne Gretzky: "Skate to where the puck is going, not to where it is"


Cheers!!
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March 02, 2018, 03:24:21 PM
Last edit: March 02, 2018, 04:39:18 PM by b4h4mu7
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 @hashappliance Excellent summary!

My suggestion would be to have Zoidberg&Co release an interim roadmap and/or the new website (if ready) while you complete your fundraising round. This will provide everyone with a clear picture of what they're working on, respective release timetables and the overall commitment of Zoidberg&Co to this project. This will also have the added benefit of motivating the general community here to participate in the fundraising.

I would advise releasing an interim roadmap as soon as possible that covers the immediate goals i.e. critical fixes to Boolberry core; after those milestones are met then it can be updated to cover future improvements. The reason for an interim roadmap is one cannot accurately estimate future milestones until the core issues are resolved. In software development, you can either have clean code or deadlines, so one must chose between realistic short term goals vs fantastic long term ones with missed deadlines.

In addition, the project cannot afford another 7-10 days for a roadmap while the disparity in marketcap with competitors grows wider each day.. It's been a month now since the delay with the new website and it's had a negative effect within the community. We just had the project in front of one of the most influential crowds in this industry and the lack of decent website and roadmap hinder that exposure. This needs to be resolved as soon as possible.

Things move really fast in the cryptocurrency space and everyday that goes by without progress is a day lost for everyone and missed opportunities.

Lastly, I would suggest Zoidberg move all future development to the https://github.com/boolberry repository. I've sent him an owner invite to the Boolberry organization. Working out of an organization repo vs a user repo allows for better project structure, organization, decentralization and motivates developers to become part of the Boolberry community.

All that said, I have the utmost confidence in your ability to help steer this project where it needs to go. I hope the community here will take that statement as a vote of confidence in your commitment to this project and it's long term vision. My team and I will be available for advisement and resources where ever needed.
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March 02, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
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How many are running on Ruby? Well, it is easy enough to read and translate, its just interacting with the RPC and daemon in JSON

Quite a few exchange use Peatio which is built on RoR framework. The developer who wrote the script asked me to remove the old one so he can commit a new one with comments. This is understandable since he's the author Smiley

https://github.com/peatio/peatio
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March 02, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
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6.   Having shifted his focus to this new project, Boolberry was somewhat abandoned.  There was a period of almost 2 years with minimal commits to the GitHub repo.  Prices fell accordingly, and in September 2016 there was an announcement by 1blockologist of some “grassroots” attempt to bring Boolberry back to the limelight.  After 6 months of efforts, for reasons that are conjecture at best, their efforts ceased.  This transitory pique in interest followed by a lack of development, arguably precipitated multiple delisting’s, from both Polinex and Bittrex, among others.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1611499.0


Woohoo hey that's me!

Yes my/our work on Boolberry is contingent on their being a liquid market. We align incentives by purchasing large portions of an asset cheaply and quietly, 1-10% of the total asset where possible, and then attempting to improve various aspects of it. This should be obvious now, but in mid 2016 that would have somehow been considered controversial in these immature markets unable to discern between activist investing and arbitrary pumping. Yes, let's just pretend we're all autistic software developers tinkering for fun, I can play along with that. But reality its just buy low, sell high, except where you control the complete outcome. Regardless, I want a Monero contender, Boolberry offers some things and can offer other things that would be extremely valuable.

What precipitated what? We encountered problems with compiling our changes, ie. what worked on Windows would crash on linux and we got stuck without further help from CZ, and his loyal followers Huh But the delistings definitely precipitated the end of our involvement in helping the technical infrastructure, as well as finally being banned from the community chatrooms by CZ. As Icebeaker put it, dictator for life! (There may be something else afoot, there are some strange things on boolberry's network.)

The Blockchain Development Company is a management company and advisory service for a small crypto hedge fund(s), the management company employs analysts and software engineers. Any of our rebranding or revitalization efforts need liquidity and support from the community. Boolberry was very successful for Blockchain Development Company and the fund(s), all the investors were watching this highly profitable shitshow silently and have been a part of all of our future projects which has culminated in bigger funds as well as other crypto projects and advisory/thought leadership in this space.

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March 02, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
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thanks for the clarity on the project , ill be sure to give my idea's along the way .
very happy to see some progress finally and am excited for the future of BBR .
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March 02, 2018, 11:42:30 PM
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Hi guys someone in the dev crew should have a chat with jl777 about integrating Boolberry into Komodo’s BarterDEX. For those of you that may have missed it here's a link to a easy to understand explanation

https://medium.com/@EthAdvisor/atomic-swaps-etomic-swaps-explained-in-plain-english-4c3936c7adb8

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March 03, 2018, 01:21:28 AM
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As a long time holder of BBR it's very exciting to see the progression of this coin over the past few months.  I and I'm sure the rest of the community appreciates the updates from zoidberg and the entire team.  In the coming weeks and months I'm really excited to see the rollout of new features, updates, a new website  Wink , road map, and of course the progression upward of the value of this coin.  I feel like were finally at that turning point for BBR which we all have been waiting for (some much longer then others).  I'm looking forward to supporting this coin as a holder/miner of it and to help fund the dev team with there continued development in which way I can.
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March 03, 2018, 04:29:46 PM
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Yesssss!!! I always knew this day would come. The privacy coin space is one of the most promising spaces in Crypto and still has a lot of room for improvement (ie. no staking privacy coins exist).

In today's environment, devs are in short supply. So getting CZ and a team working full time is huge. I, for one, will contribute to the fund even though I'm not a major holder. The ROI on contribution at this stage and price level should be very large.

Once the community sees progress, along with more exchange listings, prices should advance quickly. Coins with an experienced, active dev in this market are usually no less than $100M market cap, which is a 5x+ from here. As mentioned, if we can challenge Monero technology-wise, that's another 50x potential from $100M. Supporting full time CZ team is a no-brainer.

I look forward to the updates!

Rocky
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