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April 23, 2014, 02:08:17 PM
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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that

I think we've got a little more intelligence and morality than animals (although sometimes it doesn't appear that way).
So it's because of the morality that we shouldn't eat meat?

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April 23, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
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Nothing wrong with eating meat. But I've heard it's not healthy. That's why have to balance it with fruits and veg.  Cheesy
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April 23, 2014, 02:21:11 PM
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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that

I think we've got a little more intelligence and morality than animals (although sometimes it doesn't appear that way).
So it's because of the morality that we shouldn't eat meat?

It's an argument. Why should we not eat each other if it's not about morality?
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April 23, 2014, 02:22:38 PM
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Nothing wrong with eating meat. But I've heard it's not healthy. That's why have to balance it with fruits and veg.  Cheesy

There is a reason that your dinner is 3/4 vegs/pasta and 1/4 meat Wink
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April 23, 2014, 02:27:59 PM
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Umm I read from that link you provided and it's vegan propaganda. How is this diet natural and wholesome if a lot of foods that you're eating have to be 'fortified' with nutrients? That's not natural at all. Yeah, "sure you can go on this diet that's doesn't fill your nutritional requirements, just make sure you eat stuff that has been artificially fortified with all the good nutrients your body requires." How would you expect people in parts of the world who don't have access to these fortified foods to prosper on a vegan diet? Right, they can't. Don't try to use Indians as an example because a lot of them secretly eat meat. Plus, while they may not suffer from high obesity rates, they do have high rates of diabetes and heart disease. And they generally preform poorly in sports.

On a different note, consider this. Quinoa, which contains all of the essential amino acids, used to be the poor man's food in South America. Then one day, the white man discovers this 'super' food and starts marketing it to the masses of first-world folks. Eventually, the prices for quinoa quadruple, leaving the poor person there unable to afford their staple food and suffering health-wise because of that. How is that fair to those poor people who are now suffering because of this? How is that good for the environment? How much energy is wasted shipping those foods from far away countries to your local grocery store?

So you see there's negative aspects in regards to plant-based foods, not just meats. The Wal-Mart corporation does a lot of harm for the environment, why don't you boycott them instead of boycotting meat to feel better about yourself?


Good reasoning and logic in your post. I wouldn't say that's 'vegan propaganda' as I merely did a search on how to raise a baby as a vegan as you claimed it was not possible nor was it healthy. I simply brought up arguments that stated otherwise. The website is vegan based of course, because you wouldn't go to a website about math looking for advice on how to play sports like basketball.

What is wrong with eating fortified foods if it's better for you? Goitre used to be prevalent in the US in the 20th century, so the government decided to fortify salts with iodine and thus reduced goitre rates significantly. Fortifying foods is not new. Read my post above on why it's not necessary to eat meat when there are fortified foods that can have the same nutrients meat has. Plus do you see the prices on these, these can also save you money while improving your health.

Also I'm not saying every civilization can adapt to not eating meat, not all civilizations can support it right now. Eating meat is a worldwide accepted phenomenon but we can adapt to rise above it. What if we did stop eating meat, and instead ate meat substitutes fortified with all the nutrients that meat has? We would save up on water, energy costs, production costs, and not have to kill as many animals that takes months or years to raise. Plus these foods would be a lot easier to distribute worldwide. Real meat would still be available from farms where animals aren't treated in a cruel way.

To your comment about Quinoa farming, now that's media propaganda. It actually turns out they set aside at least 1/10th of their quinoa farms for their own personal use and to sell the rest to the people. Also not every quinoa farmer has a deal with foreigners, small time farmers might not sell them for export for example. They are becoming richer due to the quinoa fad, plus they can help out their local people.

Plus, Quinoa can pretty much be grown anywhere. In fact, we have started growing our own Quinoa farms in the US.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/11/29/166155875/quinoa-craze-inspires-north-america-to-start-growing-its-own

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April 23, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
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EATING MEAT IS MURDER. HOW CAN YOU EAT THAT POOR DEFENSELESS ANIMAL? CANT YOU TASTE THE FEAR, IT'S SOAKED IN IT. ALL YOU'RE CRAVING IS FAT AND SALT, BEEF WILL GIVE YOU HEART DISEASE AND ATHEROSCLEROSIS.

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April 23, 2014, 02:40:18 PM
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It's an argument. Why should we not eat each other if it's not about morality?
Who said that we shouldn't? There are individuals who do just that (sick, I know).

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April 23, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that

I think we've got a little more intelligence and morality than animals (although sometimes it doesn't appear that way).
So it's because of the morality that we shouldn't eat meat?

It's an argument. Why should we not eat each other if it's not about morality?

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April 23, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
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It's an argument. Why should we not eat each other if it's not about morality?
Who said that we shouldn't? There are individuals who do just that (sick, I know).

One word: Hannibal.
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April 23, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that

I think we've got a little more intelligence and morality than animals (although sometimes it doesn't appear that way).
So it's because of the morality that we shouldn't eat meat?

It's an argument. Why should we not eat each other if it's not about morality?

Warning a troll is detected!!!!!

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April 23, 2014, 03:07:04 PM
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My take on eating meat:

1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

2)  By eating higher up the food chain, you can extract more energy per creature eaten.  Do you know how many vegetables you would need to eat have to consume same number of calories in a single cow?

3)  It's nutritious and healthy.

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April 23, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
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If you accept that animals have rights, raising and killing animals for food is morally wrong. An animal raised for food is being used by others rather than being respected for itself. In philosopher's terms it is being treated as a means to human ends and not as an end in itself. This is a clear violation of the animal's rights. No matter how humanely an animal is treated in the process, raising and killing it for food remains morally wrong.


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April 23, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
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1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

Have to agree with that. Most of the deforestation in Asia is occurring due to the clearing of land for paddy farming. So we cannot say that vegan lifestyle is environment-friendly.


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April 23, 2014, 03:48:38 PM
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everything in moderation they say.  I do like to juice my veggies and get a lot of energy and other benefits from doing so.  Hoever quality meat is nothing to frown at.  If you don't over do it beef has a place in any healthy lifestyle.
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April 23, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
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1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

Have to agree with that. Most of the deforestation in Asia is occurring due to the clearing of land for paddy farming. So we cannot say that vegan lifestyle is environment-friendly.

And how do we feed the cows that we eat? What is causing deforestation, is mostly soy and corn fields that are used almost exclusively to feed the animals. Eating the plants ourselves is more economical - we need to feed a cow 10 calories that come from plants, for it to give us 1 calory of meat.

So being vegetarian and directly eating plants is more energy-efficient, and contributes in reducing deforestation.

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April 23, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
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1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

Have to agree with that. Most of the deforestation in Asia is occurring due to the clearing of land for paddy farming. So we cannot say that vegan lifestyle is environment-friendly.

You can't blame that on a vegan lifestyle. Rice is a massive food staple of the entire world, especially Asia.
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April 23, 2014, 05:02:55 PM
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If we acknowledge that animals have rights, and thus a right to life, are we then obligated to stop animals from killing other animals? Even if we are then responsible for the death of the guilty aggressor animals? Just trying to find some ideological consistency within all the butthurt and confirmation bias.

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April 23, 2014, 05:05:06 PM
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If we acknowledge that animals have rights, and thus a right to life, are we then obligated to stop animals from killing other animals? Even if we are then responsible for the death of the guilty aggressor animals? Just trying to find some ideological consistency within all the butthurt and confirmation bias.

No. They do not have morals or a conscience. We do.
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April 23, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
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If we acknowledge that animals have rights, and thus a right to life, are we then obligated to stop animals from killing other animals? Even if we are then responsible for the death of the guilty aggressor animals? Just trying to find some ideological consistency within all the butthurt and confirmation bias.

That would be ridiculously immoral and would mess-up the food chain.

For most vegetarians, eating meat is not a problem at all - the problem is how the animals are kept in horrible factory-farming conditions, akin to slavery. If we lived like the carnivorous animals, who kill others in totally fair and natural ways, eating meat would not pose the moral and ecological problems that it does now.

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April 23, 2014, 05:09:48 PM
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if you eat meat that was produced cruelly, you arecomplicit with that cruelty. It is considered morally wrong in our culture. Most arguments to nature can be attributed to culture..

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