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April 22, 2014, 03:26:11 PM
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OP it seems you were leading an unhealthy lifestyle and had a bad diet before. You said you ate at all the fast-food places. Maybe that's why you feel better and more energized now.

Let's see now. According to Consumer Trends, 83% of Americans (Vegans only make up .5% of the population) have to drink coffee every single morning just so they can wake up for the day.



Then in the afternoon they have to drink even more coffee. Then companies started coming out with energy drinks just so these guys can get through their day without feeling so tired and lethargic all the time. They came out with drinks like Monster and 5 Hour Energy filled with tons of crap that's not good for your health and people actually drink it (there are actually a lot of deaths attributed to Monster and 5 Hour Energy and other energy drinks).

Here is a poll on some Vegan forum about the amount of energy they had before and after:





Here are some quotes from the same thread about people who used to feel like crap before, but now they feel completely unstoppable throughout their day. My case isn't special by the way, a lot of other people experience this same exact thing that I describe myself:

More energy. Especially in the morning. It used to take me ages to wake up and get active in the mornings, now I have no trouble. I wake up and seem to bounce out of bed full of life. I also don't get so tired during the day either and can sleep better at night.

My stamina is off the scale now. Before going vegan I was getting fat and could barely run a mile. Now, a short two months later I'm jogging three, easily. I also require less sleep and get more rejuvination from what sleep I get.

I noticed (especially within the first couple of months of going vegan) that I had loads more energy! I am sure my new diet had a lot to do with me not feeling so tired and lethargic all the time. Also, I have found that I can generally operate well receiving approximately 7 hours sleep per night (with the occaisional sleep in). In my pre-vegan days, I used to require 9 hours sleep at night.

I was already pretty energetic before but now I still feel energetic but I dont have that typical "crash" around dinner-time. I can go all day and be productive. It also takes me less time to study. That means more time to run in circles!!

When I became a lacto ovo vegetarian, I didn't notice much of a change in my energy level. When I went vegan, my energy is sky high! It's amazing how much dairy can sap energy.

Sometimes I get maybe 3 hours sleep in a 24 hour period, and whereas that used to kill me, I don't feel half bad. I rarely have to reach for the caffiene, and my brain at work seems more alert than before.

My energy has gone up after switching to vegan! My two friends who just recently switched said theirs went up too.

Even if it wasn't an ethical necessity - I'd still be vegan simply because of the extra energy it gives me - I do manual labour & look after my four kids so I need all the energy I can get...

I am on the verge of 85 and still work as hard as ever. I have lived quite long enough and am trying to die; but I simply cannot do it. A single beef-steak would finish me; but I cannot bring myself to swallow it. I am oppressed with a dread of living forever. That is the only disadvantage of vegetarianism

i used to get tired after playing a 4 hour gig on drums with a band. nowadays, and at 48 years old, i am still drumming like i was 20 years old, and i owe it to the combination of yoga and a vegan diet, plus trying to eat as raw as possible.

The other day I went out...I arrived at the club at 11:30 (btw I hadn't had much sleep the previous night) ....people who arrived a few hours later had given up dancing waaaay before I did....I didnt stop until nearly 5 am. When asked HOW ON EARTH I did it..I yelled "VEGANISM"

If you don't believe yet, it makes us feel unstoppable and filled with energy, plus we rarely get sick, and we are a lot smarter and stronger than before. We don't even miss out on eating 'meat' because that tastes terrible compared to the foods we eat now.

Most people would rather drink coffee every morning, screw up their thinking process, feel a crash in the afternoon, drink more coffee, screw up their body and brains further, rather than just eating healthier food that would literally solve all of their problems.

But you are lucky to see this kind of information online. I would never have become Vegan had I not seen another person talking about its benefits in another website and exposed me to this kind of information. Most people will never even meet a Vegan in their entire life let alone ever know that such a diet that will boost their energy to last throughout days, cure diseases without pills, and make them better overall exists.

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April 22, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
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How do you know that plants have no conscious and don't feel pain <.< were you a plant before ? hmm , also we eat animals that eat mostly plants, because animals that eat meat are unhealthy to us in general -.-, plants deserves more rights !

You're not being serious with this right? Hard to tell on the internet.

Just a tad sarcastic Cheesy but half serious as well, While I can understand and respect vegetarians dislike of meat, I really hate it when someone tells me eating meat is animal cruelty, Animal cruelty is torturing animals for the sake of having fun, that's cruelty that needs to be punished, as much as the guy who cut a tree or burn it that took hundreds of years to grow for the sake of having fun Smiley

Well which part were you sarcastic on?
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April 22, 2014, 04:24:07 PM
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Confirmation bias?

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April 22, 2014, 04:32:47 PM
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Eating meat is not wrong. Mankind would have not evolve if not for eating meat. Just keep balance diet and regular exercise. Humans body is design to walk/run 40 miles per day. It is natural that you will get fat if you keep sitting all day.
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April 22, 2014, 04:33:28 PM
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this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

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April 22, 2014, 04:35:52 PM
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Eating meat is not wrong. Mankind would have not evolve if not for eating meat. Just keep balance diet and regular exercise.

We used to cannibalise too. Is that not wrong then?

this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

He didn't.

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April 22, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
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this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

Grow up. No one created animals. They evolved out of other animals. This is the first time that I am hearing the argument, god created the animals to become food to the humans. Where is it said so?  Grin

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April 22, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
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Nothing wrong with eating meat. Eat too much and it'll hurt your body and you get insufficient fiber in your body. Unless you mean to get philosophical about killing animals,that is. Of course,most of our meat in the markets come from animals that have been abused,drugged and killed inhumanely in captivity. The meat we eat is filled with these drugs and will eventually have a negative impact on our body. The pens etc they are made to stay in are also extremely unhygienic and are hotbed for diseases like bird flu and swine flu. Heck,some strains are even resistant to the most powerful antibiotics we have. So,yeah,nothing wrong with eating meat as such,but our consumerist economy has fuddled the process up.

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April 22, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
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this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

Grow up. No one created animals. They evolved out of other animals. This is the first time that I am hearing the argument, god created the animals to become food to the humans. Where is it said so?  Grin
They were created to serve men, so they can be eaten (it's in the Bible somewhere), so Christians ate animals from the beginning, it's part of their culture.  


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this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

Grow up. No one created animals. They evolved out of other animals. This is the first time that I am hearing the argument, god created the animals to become food to the humans. Where is it said so?  Grin

From Bible:

Genesis 1:30

And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.


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April 22, 2014, 04:55:32 PM
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Confirmation bias?

It would be if I hadn't experienced both sides and found one that had exponentially improved my life over the other.

If you check out the other pages you can find a lot more information on the subject too.

Plus if you haven't tried both sides, researched ideas and concepts about the other side, and actually experienced what it was like, then maybe you should admit it's you who has a confirmation bias.

If you read some of my earlier posts, I tell stories of how I used to think every sick looking person was vegetarian / vegan. That all those big muscular guys were all heavy meat eaters. That you needed meat to become huge. That eating meat was the manly thing to do.

Even though the world's largest and strongest animals including giraffes, elephants, and gorillas are all vegetarian or even vegan.

This is what meat propaganda has you believing. That you need milk. That eggs are good for you. That meat has a lot of protein and nutrients. They also have pictures of happy animals on the cover of their products. In school it is fed, children eat it no questions asked, which included me and everyone else I knew.

Tell me who has confirmation bias: the guy with the open mind that has learned to think outside the box or the guy with the closed mind that continues to believe in cultural beliefs placed upon them without ever learning to question their beliefs or culture.


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April 22, 2014, 04:56:06 PM
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Nothing wrong with eating meat. Eat too much and it'll hurt your body and you get insufficient fiber in your body. Unless you mean to get philosophical about killing animals,that is. Of course,most of our meat in the markets come from animals that have been abused,drugged and killed inhumanely in captivity. The meat we eat is filled with these drugs and will eventually have a negative impact on our body. The pens etc they are made to stay in are also extremely unhygienic and are hotbed for diseases like bird flu and swine flu. Heck,some strains are even resistant to the most powerful antibiotics we have. So,yeah,nothing wrong with eating meat as such,but our consumerist economy has fuddled the process up.

I raised my own livestocks. I have my own fish pond. So those chemicals is not for me.
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April 22, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
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this could get religious, but why did God create animals?

Grow up. No one created animals. They evolved out of other animals. This is the first time that I am hearing the argument, god created the animals to become food to the humans. Where is it said so?  Grin

From Bible:

Genesis 1:30

And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Unless you've misquoted or taken it out of context neither of those say anything specifically about eating meat, but the bible does say something about having dominion over all animals or something.

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April 22, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
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Quite informative posts, OP. I've also been vegetarian for years and still feeling great!

Eating meat used to be relevant for us and made us evolve as humans because it was the most widely available complete source of proteins and other nutriments. Now, healthier and more human alternatives are so commonplace that there's few argument to support eating antibiotics-filled meat that comes from factory farming.

However, I do believe that an individuals genes play a role in this; some people are legitimately intolerant to vegetarian diets and lack energy if they don't eat meat. Others tolerate it very well. As a vegetarian, its important to keep that in mind before criticizing omnivorous diets.

I raised my own livestocks. I have my own fish pond. So those chemicals is not for me.

If everybody did that, eating meat would be no problem at all, other than on the individual level for ethical reasons.

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April 22, 2014, 05:18:01 PM
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Theres Genesis 9:3
 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Theres plenty about eating animals, I don't what bible you are looking in.

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Theres Genesis 9:3
 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Theres plenty about eating animals, I don't what bible you are looking in.

He probably wasn’t looking in any bible seeing as intelligent people don't get their rules or morality from such books.

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April 22, 2014, 05:23:02 PM
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Confirmation bias?

It would be if I hadn't experienced both sides and found one that had exponentially improved my life over the other.

If you check out the other pages you can find a lot more information on the subject too.

Plus if you haven't tried both sides, researched ideas and concepts about the other side, and actually experienced what it was like, then maybe you should admit it's you who has a confirmation bias.

If you read some of my earlier posts, I tell stories of how I used to think every sick looking person was vegetarian / vegan. That all those big muscular guys were all heavy meat eaters. That you needed meat to become huge. That eating meat was the manly thing to do.

Even though the world's largest and strongest animals including giraffes, elephants, and gorillas are all vegetarian or even vegan.

This is what meat propaganda has you believing. That you need milk. That eggs are good for you. That meat has a lot of protein and nutrients. They also have pictures of happy animals on the cover of their products. In school it is fed, children eat it no questions asked, which included me and everyone else I knew.

Tell me who has confirmation bias: the guy with the open mind that has learned to think outside the box or the guy with the closed mind that continues to believe in cultural beliefs placed upon them without ever learning to question their beliefs or culture.

Unfair comparison, as you're not doing each one individually. Why is there no combination with Atheists + Meat eaters and Vegetarian + Christian? Results would not be the same.

Not to mention that the whole point is bullshit, has no sources whatsoever, and is based on someone's imagination.

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April 22, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
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Theres Genesis 9:3
 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Theres plenty about eating animals, I don't what bible you are looking in.

He probably wasn’t looking in any bible seeing as intelligent people don't get their rules or morality from such books.

Even if your not of Christiain faith, theres still things that are common sense, and historical truths.

For example
Thou shall not murder? Common sense, happens to be in the bible.
Adultery, lying, all common sense, "happens" to be in the bible. So yeah, "Intelligent" people may or may not get there rules/morality from the bible but does not mean you should dismiss the book altogether. That maybe a reason why its the number one most sold book.....

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Even if your not of Christiain faith, theres still things that are common sense, and historical truths.

For example
Thou shall not murder? Common sense, happens to be in the bible.
Adultery, lying, all common sense, "happens" to be in the bible. So yeah, "Intelligent" people may or may not get there rules/morality from the bible but does not mean you should dismiss the book altogether. That maybe a reason why its the number one most sold book.....

It's not because there's some exemple of common sense in the bible, that everything in it can be taken litteraly without questioning.
And historical truths? Like that the Earth is 6000 years old?

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April 22, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
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Confirmation bias?

It would be if I hadn't experienced both sides and found one that had exponentially improved my life over the other.

If you check out the other pages you can find a lot more information on the subject too.

Plus if you haven't tried both sides, researched ideas and concepts about the other side, and actually experienced what it was like, then maybe you should admit it's you who has a confirmation bias.

If you read some of my earlier posts, I tell stories of how I used to think every sick looking person was vegetarian / vegan. That all those big muscular guys were all heavy meat eaters. That you needed meat to become huge. That eating meat was the manly thing to do.

Even though the world's largest and strongest animals including giraffes, elephants, and gorillas are all vegetarian or even vegan.

This is what meat propaganda has you believing. That you need milk. That eggs are good for you. That meat has a lot of protein and nutrients. They also have pictures of happy animals on the cover of their products. In school it is fed, children eat it no questions asked, which included me and everyone else I knew.

Tell me who has confirmation bias: the guy with the open mind that has learned to think outside the box or the guy with the closed mind that continues to believe in cultural beliefs placed upon them without ever learning to question their beliefs or culture.


this is the most dumbiest thing i've ever read lol so if you are not eating meat means that you have a higher IQ and open minded i think its depend on people having a close minded is a choice and so the IQ

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