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April 23, 2014, 10:37:27 AM
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nothing wrong with it all, just not sustainable

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April 23, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
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Do you have any suggested brand names that you think taste good?
In my experience, meat substitutes taste like "fake meat"/too much soy.

Like Lynn says, Tofurky sausages taste pretty much exactly like meat. Not all are vegan compatible though and they are mostly made up of soy, I still suggest trying them out though because they taste really good.

What I would recommend though is what most people have never heard of:





These patties are huge, mass of 106g, you wouldn't believe it was only 160 calories. They look like how they are in the pictures, wider than most burger buns. These come in packs of 12 for ~$10.50 so you can eat two a day and it will last you a week.



My favorite thing about them is that they are not mainly made up of soy. As you can see from the ingredients, it's made up of a bunch of different vegetables combined.  No artificial ingredients. And it tastes really really good. You can find these at some Wal-Marts, some Costcos, and some Sam's Clubs.

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Another suggestion I have, although it's not vegan it's still very delicious:





Note how green it is on the inside, it's mostly made up of spinach and chickpeas and it tastes really good. You cook these or heat them up in a microwave and then you can eat it any way you want.

I haven't bought any of these lately for vegan reasons, so the only place I know that has them right now is Costco. I think they were around $8-$10 for a pack of 10, but overall these were much heavier than the Veggie patties shown above.

Veggie patch has a lot of different versions distributed to your local supermarkets but are otherwise are the same thing shown above.

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Interesting facts about animal meat:
- They have zero fiber and are high in cholesterol
- They usually have zero carbs and have little if any antioxidants
- They are high in fats and high in the unhealthy kinds of fats
- Meat is treated with all sorts of toxics and chemicals crap not good for your body

Compare the nutrition facts above for the 106g of Veggie patty to this 85g of meat patty and tell me which one is better for you.




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You guys should just accept that some people eat meat and will continue even if you talk about your veggie patties all day long. There is no "better way" here. Some people drink alcohol and some do not, same with meat, maybe it's less healthy than vegetables but it's a matter of taste.

Matter of taste? I think it's more of a combination of these factors: Education, open mindedness, and popularity.

If it was a matter of taste, everyone would eat these meat substitutions. Why? You can make any kind of meat flavor out there, and even make meat flavors that don't exist yet, like Chinese Dragon or Pikachu meat substitutes. If these meat substitutes were given nutrients that  only meat had, then there would be no difference between eating the two.

Get my giff? I think for the most part most people have never tried meat substition including me at one point, and for the most part people believe that meat is the 'manly' thing to do just because most people are doing it or whatever other lies culture wants you to believe.



All I know is I don't drink coffee in the mornings and even after working for a full day I can come back home still run around and never get tired. Heck when I wake up, I am fully awake. No having to wipe my eyes, no having to slump around, it's a huge difference in feeling.

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April 23, 2014, 11:19:10 AM
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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.

These are much more easily available to produce and create than real meat. The nutrition you get from each would be roughly the same, though I would argue that the substitution meats would have more nutrients because they are plant based, as well as having less fat and zero cholesterol. Therefore making these foods the most easily obtained and digested package of proteins, essential acids and sources if iron and Vitamin B12 that you can find as it does not take months or years to make.

Humans don't need the balanced diet you are talking about to survive, as like you said, we can easily supplement ourselves. Plus we don't have such a high risk of diabetes, cancer, or heart disease from eating healthy and delicious tasting food.

How is anything is easier to produce that something that occurs naturally? You need several type of plants, that grows in different region around the world that doesn't grow in the same season, from all around the world to substitute meat, how is this easier than meat by any mean? meat is available everywhere, even in places where plants are not available or rarely available such as polar regions, not to mention that when you are trying to subsitute meat by eating other plants you are over consuming other components from those plants and that's can be very harmful to the body.

Fat and Cholesterol are important to the body it is vital! (too much of them might harmful but that's another story) and this is not even an argument, the same way if you over consume some plants you harm your body being in terms of sugar fat and other components.

Without a balanced diet you have a high risk of diabetes, cancer (for example being 100%vegetarian increases dramatically the risk for colorectal cancer) or heart disease, and not eating meat and trying to substitutes to them you are putting your self at risk (example for the same amount of vitamin A on meat, you need at least 6x time more vegetables that contain it)

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April 23, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.


Thought you were a christian or are you one that believes in evolution? Is it true that we wouldt have evolved without eating meat? Couldnt we have got the protein from elsewhere?
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April 23, 2014, 11:57:48 AM
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How is anything is easier to produce that something that occurs naturally? You need several type of plants, that grows in different region around the world that doesn't grow in the same season, from all around the world to substitute meat, how is this easier than meat by any mean? meat is available everywhere, even in places where plants are not available or rarely available such as polar regions, not to mention that when you are trying to subsitute meat by eating other plants you are over consuming other components from those plants and that's can be very harmful to the body.

Fat and Cholesterol are important to the body it is vital! (too much of them might harmful but that's another story) and this is not even an argument, the same way if you over consume some plants you harm your body being in terms of sugar fat and other components.

Without a balanced diet you have a high risk of diabetes, cancer (for example being 100%vegetarian increases dramatically the risk for colorectal cancer) or heart disease, and not eating meat and trying to substitutes to them you are putting your self at risk (example for the same amount of vitamin A on meat, you need at least 6x time more vegetables that contain it)

Without plants you wouldn't be here either. Your argument is without meat we wouldn't be here, to which I reply with, without plants you wouldn't be here. You can also argue plants gave you evolution.

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.

Do you not see the subtition meat above? It's like you are going right over evidence and say it doesn't exist.

According to the same fallacy that you believe in, that meat is available, is the same reason why a lot of animals are extinct. Due to negligence and lack of education.

No you don't need to ingest cholesterol. It is a naturally occurring substance your body produces. Fact: Half of all men in the US will get Cardiovascular Disease. http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm

You threw out all your credibility when you say vegetarians have a 100% increase in colorectal cancer, since they have a 39% increase of colorectal cancer and that was due to having not high enough Vitamin B12 which you can get from multivitamins. Fact: Vegetarians have a lower overall cancer risk, obesity risk, coronoary heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/Vegetarian-Diets_UCM_306032_Article.jsp

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April 23, 2014, 12:11:50 PM
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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.


Thought you were a christian or are you one that believes in evolution? Is it true that we wouldt have evolved without eating meat? Couldnt we have got the protein from elsewhere?

We couldn't, we are talking about natural occurrence here, also there is evolution and evolution ^^ getting

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April 23, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
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OP it seems you were leading an unhealthy lifestyle and had a bad diet before. You said you ate at all the fast-food places. Maybe that's why you feel better and more energized now.

Let's see now. According to Consumer Trends, 83% of Americans (Vegans only make up .5% of the population) have to drink coffee every single morning just so they can wake up for the day.



I don't think we're going to agree in the end, but to each their own. I don't eat meat often, and have gone months without eating it and felt fine. Would I cut it out completely? No. Would I recommend vegan diets for children? Of course not, that's inhumane.

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

Whenever you take up a diet, you have to properly educate yourself on it. Here is where a vegan diet works out:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110217003159AAI6E2m

"My family has historically been vegan, especially on my dad's side (I'm vegan too). My great grandfather on my dad's side was 6'5", my grandad is 6'4" (on both sides actually), and my dad is 6'2". My mom is 6', and I'm 6'3"."

The reason for the baby's death was child neglect. The reason why the story is so popular is because, "oh look, here is an example of why Vegan diets are bad, this supports my view that all meat diets are good."

Here are some deaths from meat baby breastfeeding and look, they don't get any press attention because it's pretty normal:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2006750/Mother-falls-asleep-breastfeeding-wakes-baby-dead.html
http://rt.com/usa/mother-20-prison-negligent-breastfeeding-524/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/yadina-morales_n_4209974.html

Here are some pregnancy facts:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/pregnancy.htm

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April 23, 2014, 12:26:29 PM
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When did this become a vegan discussion thread?


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April 23, 2014, 12:27:45 PM
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Without plants you wouldn't be here either. Your argument is without meat we wouldn't be here, to which I reply with, without plants you wouldn't be here. You can also argue plants gave you evolution.
No I do not argue about such a thing where do you see me doing so, see the difference between us? is that I do not denies that plants are important to us, while you do argue that meat is not, so your argument is invalid here and I still have a point

Do you not see the subtition meat above? It's like you are going right over evidence and say it doesn't exist.
I said it's not easy and I backed up my point, there is no over confidence here.

According to the same fallacy that you believe in, that meat is available, is the same reason why a lot of animals are extinct. Due to negligence and lack of education.
Or destroying the animals habitat to build more farm and crop lands? is this really an argument? most of the meat we are eating nowadays we are producing our selfs so no we aren't pushing cows, chicken or fish to their doom and in remoted regions like in some regions in Africa people who hunt for their meat aren't the one endangering the species if I recall correctly.

No you don't need to ingest cholesterol. It is a naturally occurring substance your body produces. Fact: Half of all men in the US will getCardiovascular Disease. http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm
Please check your argument again which clearly was that cholesterol and fat are bad for your health which is totally wrong, Abusing them it's what bad. as for the "Fact: Half of all men in the US will get Cardiovascular Disease." it might be true, but what does it have to do with eating meat? some are fat just from eating fried potatoes and other vegetables (doesn't mean abusing meat won't result to this)  abusing anything can ruin your health thus like I said before balanced diet is the key!

You threw out all your credibility when you say vegetarians have a 100% increase in colorectal cancer, since they have a 39% increase of colorectal cancer and that was due to having not high enough Vitamin B12 which you can get from multivitamins. Fact: Vegetarians have a lower overall cancer risk, obesity risk, coronoary heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes:
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/Vegetarian-Diets_UCM_306032_Article.jsp


where did I say such a thing, please read again what I said, you are mistaking completely and thank you for proving my point.

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April 23, 2014, 12:32:41 PM
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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.


Thought you were a christian or are you one that believes in evolution? Is it true that we wouldt have evolved without eating meat? Couldnt we have got the protein from elsewhere?

We couldn't, we are talking about natural occurrence here, also there is evolution and evolution ^^ getting

What do you mean by the last part?  Huh
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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.


Thought you were a christian or are you one that believes in evolution? Is it true that we wouldt have evolved without eating meat? Couldnt we have got the protein from elsewhere?

We couldn't, we are talking about natural occurrence here, also there is evolution and evolution ^^ getting

What do you mean by the last part?  Huh

The part of evolution that meats contributed two is making us more intelligent more efficient ect, we aren't talking about human Darwinism here, (which was not proven to this day or age btw...) ^^

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I've been a vegetarian for about a year. As a previous meat eater, its so hard to pass up your cheeseburgers, pepperoni pizza, etc... Today I can safely say I no longer crave any red meat, although I still struggle with ham sandwiches. Still all it takes is the willpower to eating better, felling better, and just knowing your healthier - but not only that, I have contributed with helping the planet out.

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If it weren't for plants you also wouldn't be here typing right now, this is a fact. You don't need to consume meat, all those nutrients you are talking about such as proteins, calcium, enzymes, vitamins such as B12, can all be found in meat substitutes

And ? I don't understand the whole point of you argument here, if it wasn't for meat you wouldn't be typing here this is a fact, meat kicked human evolution ( a scientific fact) and meat cannot be be easily substituted not by any mean.


Thought you were a christian or are you one that believes in evolution? Is it true that we wouldt have evolved without eating meat? Couldnt we have got the protein from elsewhere?

We couldn't, we are talking about natural occurrence here, also there is evolution and evolution ^^ getting

What do you mean by the last part?  Huh

The part of evolution that meats contributed two is making us more intelligent more efficient ect, we aren't talking about human Darwinism here, (which was not proven to this day or age btw...) ^^

God hasnt been proven either lol. Why do you believe in one evolution but not the other?
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Some people need to eat meat for the protein, otherwise we'd have to get our protein from taking more pills. Animals eat other animals, It's just a part of life.

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Some people need to eat meat for the protein, otherwise we'd have to get our protein from taking more pills. Animals eat other animals, It's just a part of life.

Protein doesn't just come from meat. Animals rape and murder each other as well, so is rape an murder ok too?
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Eating animals

Potential wrongs

Eating animals poses two moral problems.

  • Is it wrong in principle to raise and kill animals so that human beings can eat meat and fish?
  • Does it stop being wrong if the processes involved are carried out humanely?


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April 23, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
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Without plants you wouldn't be here either. Your argument is without meat we wouldn't be here, to which I reply with, without plants you wouldn't be here. You can also argue plants gave you evolution.
No I do not argue about such a thing where do you see me doing so, see the difference between us? is that I do not denies that plants are important to us, while you do argue that meat is not, so your argument is invalid here and I still have a point


That is pure fallacy. Humans didn't evolve to use computers either, but here we are doing it now, right? Humans might not have evolved to eat purely vegetable food and meat substitute either, but who says it will not work out? Evolution is about adapting to an environment. We no longer live in an environment where meat is necessary to survive.

I said it's not easy and I backed up my point, there is no over confidence here.

Not so easy, but what is easier, giving 80% of all our crops and 50% of all freshwater to animals (that includes showers, pools, drinking water, hose water, etc) or planting crops? Also, it takes 2400 gallons of water to make 1 pound of meat. How is that efficient at all? Right? When you can eat meat substitute in comparison, it is so much easier to produce plus can have the same nutrients and more.

Or destroying the animals habitat to build more farm and crop lands? is this really an argument? most of the meat we are eating nowadays we are producing our selfs so no we aren't pushing cows, chicken or fish to their doom and in remoted regions like in some regions in Africa people who hunt for their meat aren't the one endangering the species if I recall correctly.

Why do we need to destroy animal habitats to build more farms and crop lands? Like I said 80% of our crops go to feeding the 1 pound of meat you eat, same with 50% of all our water. We wouldn't need any new crops if we gave more of it to ourselves.

Please check your argument again which clearly was that cholesterol and fat are bad for your health which is totally wrong, Abusing them it's what bad. as for the "Fact: Half of all men in the US will get Cardiovascular Disease." it might be true, but what does it have to do with eating meat? some are fat just from eating fried potatoes and other vegetables (doesn't mean abusing meat won't result to this)  abusing anything can ruin your health thus like I said before balanced diet is the key!

Yes balanced diet is the key. But like I said above, you don't need to eat meat when there are better substitutes that are much healthier, easier to produce, cheaper to buy, and can taste better.

Tell me what is easier: Eating regular meat that has a lot of bad stuff for you OR: Eating meat subtitute that is easier to produce, has none of the unhealthy stuff for you, and has more nutrients overall such as antioxidants and fiber.


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I would like to quote this so people in this new page can see that meat substitute can be better for you.


Like Lynn says, Tofurky sausages taste pretty much exactly like meat. Not all are vegan compatible though and they are mostly made up of soy, I still suggest trying them out though because they taste really good.

What I would recommend though is what most people have never heard of:





These patties are huge, mass of 106g, you wouldn't believe it was only 160 calories. They look like how they are in the pictures, wider than most burger buns. These come in packs of 12 for ~$10.50 so you can eat two a day and it will last you a week.



My favorite thing about them is that they are not mainly made up of soy. As you can see from the ingredients, it's made up of a bunch of different vegetables combined.  No artificial ingredients. And it tastes really really good. You can find these at some Wal-Marts, some Costcos, and some Sam's Clubs.

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Another suggestion I have, although it's not vegan it's still very delicious:





Note how green it is on the inside, it's mostly made up of spinach and chickpeas and it tastes really good. You cook these or heat them up in a microwave and then you can eat it any way you want.

I haven't bought any of these lately for vegan reasons, so the only place I know that has them right now is Costco. I think they were around $8-$10 for a pack of 10, but overall these were much heavier than the Veggie patties shown above.

Veggie patch has a lot of different versions distributed to your local supermarkets but are otherwise are the same thing shown above.

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Interesting facts about animal meat:
- They have zero fiber and are high in cholesterol
- They usually have zero carbs and have little if any antioxidants
- They are high in fats and high in the unhealthy kinds of fats
- Meat is treated with all sorts of toxics and chemicals crap not good for your body

Compare the nutrition facts above for the 106g of Veggie patty to this 85g of meat patty and tell me which one is better for you.



Here's a video I recommend to watch about foods that will kill you: Foods that Kill

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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that
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OP it seems you were leading an unhealthy lifestyle and had a bad diet before. You said you ate at all the fast-food places. Maybe that's why you feel better and more energized now.

Let's see now. According to Consumer Trends, 83% of Americans (Vegans only make up .5% of the population) have to drink coffee every single morning just so they can wake up for the day.



I don't think we're going to agree in the end, but to each their own. I don't eat meat often, and have gone months without eating it and felt fine. Would I cut it out completely? No. Would I recommend vegan diets for children? Of course not, that's inhumane.

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

Whenever you take up a diet, you have to properly educate yourself on it. Here is where a vegan diet works out:



Here are some pregnancy facts:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/pregnancy.htm
Umm I read from that link you provided and it's vegan propaganda. How is this diet natural and wholesome if a lot of foods that you're eating have to be 'fortified' with nutrients? That's not natural at all. Yeah, "sure you can go on this diet that's doesn't fill your nutritional requirements, just make sure you eat stuff that has been artificially fortified with all the good nutrients your body requires." How would you expect people in parts of the world who don't have access to these fortified foods to prosper on a vegan diet? Right, they can't. Don't try to use Indians as an example because a lot of them secretly eat meat. Plus, while they may not suffer from high obesity rates, they do have high rates of diabetes and heart disease. And they generally preform poorly in sports.

On a different note, consider this. Quinoa, which contains all of the essential amino acids, used to be the poor man's food in South America. Then one day, the white man discovers this 'super' food and starts marketing it to the masses of first-world folks. Eventually, the prices for quinoa quadruple, leaving the poor person there unable to afford their staple food and suffering health-wise because of that. How is that fair to those poor people who are now suffering because of this? How is that good for the environment? How much energy is wasted shipping those foods from far away countries to your local grocery store?

So you see there's negative aspects in regards to plant-based foods, not just meats. The Wal-Mart corporation does a lot of harm for the environment, why don't you boycott them instead of boycotting meat to feel better about yourself?

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some animals eat meat and ain't nobody complaining about that

I think we've got a little more intelligence and morality than animals (although sometimes it doesn't appear that way).
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