4) There's a category of bodybuilding called "natural" bodybuilding where growth hormones and steroids are prohibited. I fall in that category, though I don't exercise nearly enough anymore to consider myself a true hobbyist. I use a vitamin/mineral supplement and whey protein infused with creatine. I use whey protein because I consume 1.5x-2x my weight in grams of protein daily. I like it mixed with the creatine because, aside from being rigorously tested and studied for several decades and deemed completely safe and beneficial, it helps facilitate ATP production which gives me more energy. It's about $1 per 240 calorie serving and takes 10 seconds to make. Meat and vegetables vary in their cooking time depending on the dish. Your argument about vegetables dishes being faster to make is really just a lie of omission.
4) I like how you quoted the "Natural" bodybuilding part in your sentence, because I agree, it's
not natural!
Again, you justify my point that the majority of bodybuilders take supplements and drugs in order to boost their performance. You say you won't get enough nutrition as a vegan, so you eat meat AND take supplements and drugs just to be equal. Vegetarians and vegans can take supplements as well, some may choose not to, I choose not to as I am "Fully Natural" not supplemented or drugged up.
"Meat and vegetables vary in their cooking time" yes they do, but for all your meats you generally need to cut up the meat from the dead animal flesh, separate the feathers and fur from the flesh, then cook the small part of flesh that is edible. For fruits and vegetables you generally just wash and eat, most of the time you don't need to cook.
5) If being vegan is so awesome, why did you go off talking about how far technology has come? I thought we had things like hands to pick fruits and vegetables. How does more advanced technology make it better to be vegan/vegetarian?
However, if you want to go there, then keep in mind that technology also allows us to create things like vitamin/mineral supplements that enable almost any person to remove entire food groups from their diet. Vegetables are no exception to this.
5) Which is more sustainable long term? How many months or years does it take to grow an animal just to be eaten? How much time is dedicated to raising these animals, how much fecal matter is gathered from them, how much pollution do they cause? How many resources does it take to grow them? Why are fruits and vegetables cheaper than meat? Why is substitute meat cheaper than real meat yet taste better and is healthier yet most people have never tried it?
6) I'm glad you acknowledge that at least the taste argument is your personal opinion. I used to eat 16-24oz. of vegetables daily and hated the taste, the way they distended my stomach, and the gas and farting. It's really inconvenient to walk around the office all day with clenched buttcheeks. And, not eating vegetables it allowed more meat to fit in my stomach. And damn is it tasty. But hey, at least we'd never pick from each others plates at dinner.
6) WOW!!! 16 to 24 ounces of organic fruits and vegetables is too much man, you don't want to overdose on organic fruits and vegetables, unnatural and factory produced creatine drug supplements and bovine whey protein you can choke on, but watch out for organic fruits and vegetables that will really do some damage to your health!
This is exactly the kind of society we live in. People are so deluded and dulled up they'll fall for any wishy washy BS shoved down their throats by other "Bro Science" phd graduates saying that fruits and vegetables are bad for your health. I remember when you said Shaolin Monks were super bad ass, now you change your mind just because they're vegetarians? Sorry that being considerate and caring of other creatures on the planet is such a horrible thing.
9) As stated previously, I don't take drugs or steroids, but who are you to imply such a thing?
You don't take drugs or steroids but you
admit to taking creatine and whey protein. Look up on Google "Is creatine a drug?" then get back to me on that one. So you're saying a vegetarian or vegan diet is insufficient, so you eat meat
and take unnatural supplements, drugs, and steroids just to be equal.
10) Yes, fruits and vegetables have protein, but in negligible amounts for someone with a very active lifestyle. Fruits aren't as nutritionally useful in the Western world as they are in places where obtaining food is a daily concern. Fructose is more readily stored as fat than other types of sugars and is therefore more useful in survival situations. Eating a lot of fruit (and, especially, drinking fruit juice) will likely make sedentary people with poor metabolisms fatter despite the fiber content and its insulin-dampening effects. Vegetables, on the other hand, *are* great for losing fat specifically because they boost the metabolism and dampen insulin spikes when eaten in conjunction with simple sugars. However, unless you really want to eat cups and cups of prunes and coconuts every day, the caloric density is simply missing, especially for active people. Furthermore, they don't contain the energy necessary to effectively repair muscle tissue after strenuous physical exertion, even in large amounts. Insulin supports growth, and inhibiting insulin spikes (which vegetables do) means that it's not going to go very far in helping you recuperate. In contrast, simple sugars like dextrose that are more readily used for energy and spike insulin levels are ideal for rapid recovery; also ideal for rapid recovery are large amounts of protein and amino acids.
Again, thanks for verifying the nutritional benefits of plant foods. You claim you can't live on fruits alone, I beg to differ.
Meet Harley Johnstone. A "Fruitarian" meaning he only eats fruits for the past 13 YEARS, he won first place in the 2013 Strava cycling competition of more than 46,000 competitors. In 2014 he won second place, cycling 6500 kilometers in a month on nothing but fruit. Keep in mind he competed against Tour de France Athletes and other world class level athletes in both competitions and still ended up on top.
Also I recommend watching these videos: I'm pretty sure these guys are much more fit than you are:
Click on the pictures above, they redirect you to a video of their physical prowess as VEGANS. Then get back to me on that one.
Two separate people, two separate videos, both VEGANS.
