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April 23, 2014, 05:10:13 PM
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If we acknowledge that animals have rights, and thus a right to life, are we then obligated to stop animals from killing other animals? Even if we are then responsible for the death of the guilty aggressor animals? Just trying to find some ideological consistency within all the butthurt and confirmation bias.

No. They do not have morals or a conscience. We do.

So what's the problem with eating animals who were simply going to eat more animals? Think of all the animals I'm saving!

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April 23, 2014, 05:10:48 PM
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if you eat meat that was produced cruelly, you arecomplicit with that cruelty. It is considered morally wrong in our culture. Most arguments to nature can be attributed to culture..

What do you define as cruel?
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April 23, 2014, 05:12:41 PM
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if you eat meat that was produced cruelly, you arecomplicit with that cruelty. It is considered morally wrong in our culture. Most arguments to nature can be attributed to culture..

What do you define as cruel?

Yeah stabbing something in the throat sounds cruel to me.

If we acknowledge that animals have rights, and thus a right to life, are we then obligated to stop animals from killing other animals? Even if we are then responsible for the death of the guilty aggressor animals? Just trying to find some ideological consistency within all the butthurt and confirmation bias.

No. They do not have morals or a conscience. We do.

So what's the problem with eating animals who were simply going to eat more animals? Think of all the animals I'm saving!

Then what's the problem with a cannibal eating you? Think of all the animals he's saving!
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April 23, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
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A day when all spiders, eagles, lions, crocodiles and sharks go vegan shall be the day when i go vegan.
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April 23, 2014, 05:15:06 PM
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A day when all lions, crocodiles and sharks go vegan shall be the day when i go vegan.

They are carnivores. We are not.

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April 23, 2014, 05:19:23 PM
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A day when all lions, crocodiles and sharks go vegan shall be the day when i go vegan.


Yeah. Can cannibals eat you too since you're fair game?
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April 23, 2014, 05:35:20 PM
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he health and environmental benefits are largely incontrovertible. There are spurious claims about vitamins and minerals being more prevalent in red meat, but those claims tend to ignore the levels needed in the body and the fact that these levels are easily met by vegetarian diets.

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April 23, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
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My take on eating meat:

1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

2)  By eating higher up the food chain, you can extract more energy per creature eaten.  Do you know how many vegetables you would need to eat have to consume same number of calories in a single cow?

3)  It's nutritious and healthy.
Finally someone pointed out a few valid points.
Also it isn't that unhealthy to eat meat.


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April 23, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
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My take on eating meat:

1)  If you eat plants, you're not killing, but you are raping and pillaging the food source and/or homes of other animals and insects.

2)  By eating higher up the food chain, you can extract more energy per creature eaten.  Do you know how many vegetables you would need to eat have to consume same number of calories in a single cow?

3)  It's nutritious and healthy.
Finally someone pointed out a few valid points.
Also it isn't that unhealthy to eat meat.

His points don't make much sense at all. And try eating a diet of only meat and see what happens.
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April 23, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
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he health and environmental benefits are largely incontrovertible. There are spurious claims about vitamins and minerals being more prevalent in red meat, but those claims tend to ignore the levels needed in the body and the fact that these levels are easily met by vegetarian diets.

I think the healthiest option would be a mostly vegan diet with occasional meats.
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April 23, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
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His points don't make much sense at all. And try eating a diet of only meat and see what happens.
1) That's his personal view.
2) Is correct, you need to eat a lof of plants to make up for eating a single cow.
3) This is also correct.

What are you talking about?


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April 23, 2014, 06:39:18 PM
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His points don't make much sense at all. And try eating a diet of only meat and see what happens.
1) That's his personal view.
2) Is correct, you need to eat a lof of plants to make up for eating a single cow.
3) This is also correct.

What are you talking about?

A cow which you had to feed with much more plants than you would have needed if you ate them directly...

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April 23, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
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His points don't make much sense at all. And try eating a diet of only meat and see what happens.
1) That's his personal view.
2) Is correct, you need to eat a lof of plants to make up for eating a single cow.
3) This is also correct.

What are you talking about?

A cow which you had to feed with much more plants than you would have needed if you ate them directly...

But you seem to be missing the fact that a cow is going to eat plants whether you knock its head with a brick or not. 

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April 23, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
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A cow which you had to feed with much more plants than you would have needed if you ate them directly...

But you seem to be missing the fact that a cow is going to eat plants whether you knock its head with a brick or not.  

You earned this, nice arguments.
If you avoid eating the cow, a lot more additional plants need to be eaten to provide you with enough calories.


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April 23, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
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I might go meatless in the future.
Making the commitment is difficult and I'm not ready.

Who likes PETA?
People
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April 23, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
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I might go meatless in the future.
Making the commitment is difficult and I'm not ready.

Who likes PETA?
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PETA are such hypocrites.
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April 23, 2014, 08:53:06 PM
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I might go meatless in the future.
Making the commitment is difficult and I'm not ready.

Who likes PETA?
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
......sorry.

PETA are such hypocrites.

Yeah they put down a lot of healthy animals when they take them in. Apparently its ok to kill them as long as you dont eat them.
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April 23, 2014, 08:58:31 PM
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His points don't make much sense at all. And try eating a diet of only meat and see what happens.
1) That's his personal view.
2) Is correct, you need to eat a lof of plants to make up for eating a single cow.
3) This is also correct.

What are you talking about?

A cow which you had to feed with much more plants than you would have needed if you ate them directly...

But you seem to be missing the fact that a cow is going to eat plants whether you knock its head with a brick or not. 

There is more than 100 cows in an average farm and it can be up to 1000 in the biggest ones, this quantity would not be sustainable in the wild. Also, they would eat grass that would be there anyway, not soy and corn that we farm for them, and which would give us more energy if we ate them directly rather than converting them in to meat.

I might go meatless in the future.
Making the commitment is difficult and I'm not ready.

Factory farming would be quite less of a problem if people would simply reduce their meat consumption - no need to be totally vegetarian Smiley

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April 23, 2014, 09:21:09 PM
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Benjamin Franklin...


Ben Franklin was also in to old fat chicks. I understand his reasoning... but don't share the same taste.

The only problem I have with you veggie-tards, is trying to force your opinion on everyone else. Get over it, we eat tasty animals (and chicken, 'cus it's cheap).

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April 23, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
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The only problem I have with you veggie-tards, is trying to force your opinion on everyone else.

I do believe most arguments provided here were reasonnable and no attacks have been made on those who countered them.
If anything, you're the one who is resorting to insults.

Realistically there is nothing wrong with animal based products when there are harmonies and ethical symbiotic relationship between caretaker and the livestock.  I've been a vegetarian for 25 years now, and I still enjoy a few meat based products, like leather.  

Ultimately meat or animal products are either a luxury or an emergency food, not something that should be factory produced.  

Well said.

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