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BlockaFett,
You try hard. It is evident in the frequency, length, and veracity of your posts.
You accuse XMR devs of "trolling DRK" often. And you launch personal attacks at them and other Monero SUPPORTERS.
So, here you are, in the Monero thread, spouting off about fluffypony's supposed dealings with another coin back in ancient history (in crypto-time), along with his past/present business experiences.
What is the relevance to Monero?
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April 02, 2015, 09:08:46 PM |
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Vertpay looks like a service to me. Monero is a cryptocurrency.
Long post for basically comparing apples and oranges, or I am missing something?
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Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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April 02, 2015, 09:16:54 PM |
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When you switch to ad hominems you merely show your desperation, Block-o-Feta:) Well this was going to be a surprise, but I suppose now is as good a time as any. We literally said we were going to go back to the original idea and launch with various currencies being supported. So to correct you, here is Vertpay now:         Oh! And just in case there's any confusion, thinking that these are just mockups I made in the few minutes between your post and mine:  No one is accusing you of a scam in Monero (but 100s of people did with OpenRigs non-deliveries
No, there were people who chose a shipping method that takes as much as 3 months (as we make clear on our Delivery and Returns Policy), and then were surprised when it took 3 months. Everyone received what they ordered, or received a replacement/refund (courtesy of shipping insurance) if it disappeared in transit. If anyone hasn't received their order or a replacement/refund it's because they haven't contacted us to ask about it. Email address is still the same, and I've even had people organise a replacement via Reddit or Bitcointalk by pm'ing me. In fact, I processed a refund about three weeks ago for a gentleman who had forgotten about his order. In fact, for the sake of closure I'll just repost the lists posted to Reddit when this came up: As to the rest... If this isn't true, what is your main investment right now if not Monero, or did you miraculously decide you didn't want to make serious $ before when you saw how profound Moner's tech was after you ditched VertPay? You did OpenRigs before you tried to taise 200k from Vertcion investors, and you have dozens of people on BCT claiming they never recieved their products and that that was a scam too. So what is your latest money making idea right now if not Monero or are you just working for free now?
You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots! |
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April 02, 2015, 09:29:44 PM |
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You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!
Hopefully your investors will look at what I said and do their own research and make their own decision. The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........ I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here after being attacked by (the less credible of the) Monero people for the last 4 weeks on other threads as they go around trying to pump Monero price by defaming any coin remotely within their space, I just did 30 minutes reading today and what I found I thought was worth showing to people here, mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value. I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people. No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........ cheers |
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.
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The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........
Nothing's been resurrected, it never stopped. There were some major underlying changes to support a new-found vision, and the decision not to move ahead with the IPO meant we had to develop at a much slower pace, but development never stopped. I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here
lol, you post in this thread all the time, you haven't refrained from anything. mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value.
I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people.
You're very clever to try and couch your post as "stating the obvious" because you "saw hypocrisy". You kids have a name for that...I forget...oh yes! "Concern trolling" Honestly, between toknormal digging up a handful of restaurant and theatre reviews I did over the course of a few years in 2011/2012 (which he then used to label me a "journalist / marketer") and you dragging up (and misstating) history you know nothing about...well, it's either abject desperation, which is terribly sad, or it's very crafty, in which case heyo, we see right through you. No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........
Please do. Or better yet - my wife and I are going to be in Europe for most of May, why don't you come meet me and tell me all about how you're going to uncover the s-c-a-m? My schedule is tight, but for you I will definitely make time. |
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You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!
Hopefully your investors will look at what I said and do their own research and make their own decision. The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........ I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here after being attacked by (the less credible of the) Monero people for the last 4 weeks on other threads as they go around trying to pump Monero price by defaming any coin remotely within their space, I just did 30 minutes reading today and what I found I thought was worth showing to people here, mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value. I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people. No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........ cheers A six month break from your shilling is a lifetime of joy for me. Please stay away. You have tried your best to promote your shitcoin at the expense of Monero. The energy that you have wasted is duly noted. |
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relevant enough xpost When I read this writing, I immediately was reminded of how this forum operates and the behavior of people around here operating under the self proclaimed title of "scambuster" or something similar claiming to be doing a "service for the community". In reality they are only seeking public justification for relentlessly harassing targeted individuals so they can continue to do so without repercussion, at the expense of the entire community. Social justice warriors are active here on Bitcointalk, only here they like to call themselves "scambusters", and they are every bit as obsessive compulsive, narcissistic, and fascist. Unfortunately this is a global issue, not just effecting Bitcointalk. Real oppressors always wear the skin of a liberator, this way they can get all of the true believer's packed with cognitive dissonance to mindlessly dump hate upon targets they designate. This is a growing problem for all walks of life. Please be on the alert for this sociopathic behavior disguised as justice. http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/12/when-social-justice-warriors-attack-one-tumblr-users-experience/http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/creating-a-culture-of-denunciation/ |
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A new missive is out! #27 EXTERN PROJECTS FOR THE WEEK OF 2015-03-30 To download the podcast directly please use this link to the MP3, or this link to the AAC/MP4, or this link to the FLAC. A brief summary of the points discussed follows, a full transcription of the podcast is outstanding (can be submitted via Github Issues ). In this week's podcast we interview Jojatekok, the 17 year old creator of the MoneroX GUI, and discuss his switch to cross-platform support for MoneroX, as well as some of his future plans. We also spend some time musing over his youth, and wondering where ours went to! Until next week! Great Interview and I'm glad I didn't have to pronounce "Jojatekok"! LOL Just an FYI, C Sharp has always been Platform Independent, the issue is the .net libraries have not. |
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.
This is all true but it is understandable when the standard of behavior in this community is so low it is: a) hard to believe, and b) of no use for us to state it because on one believes it anyway (and reasonably so). It's more reasonable in some objective sense to see this project as just another one of many scams than to believe it really is different. So we will just carry on with the project and actions will speak louder than words (if more slowly). If you've been around since last year you can see that the amount of attacks against the project and core team are actually a lot lower now, I think a small indication that the message is getting through. It won't reach everyone immediately (or even perhaps eventually) though, nor do I expect it to. |
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When you switch to ad hominems you merely show your desperation, Block-o-Feta:) Well this was going to be a surprise, but I suppose now is as good a time as any. We literally said we were going to go back to the original idea and launch with various currencies being supported. So to correct you, here is Vertpay now: Oh! And just in case there's any confusion, thinking that these are just mockups I made in the few minutes between your post and mine: No one is accusing you of a scam in Monero (but 100s of people did with OpenRigs non-deliveries
No, there were people who chose a shipping method that takes as much as 3 months (as we make clear on our Delivery and Returns Policy), and then were surprised when it took 3 months. Everyone received what they ordered, or received a replacement/refund (courtesy of shipping insurance) if it disappeared in transit. If anyone hasn't received their order or a replacement/refund it's because they haven't contacted us to ask about it. Email address is still the same, and I've even had people organise a replacement via Reddit or Bitcointalk by pm'ing me. In fact, I processed a refund about three weeks ago for a gentleman who had forgotten about his order. In fact, for the sake of closure I'll just repost the lists posted to Reddit when this came up: As to the rest... If this isn't true, what is your main investment right now if not Monero, or did you miraculously decide you didn't want to make serious $ before when you saw how profound Moner's tech was after you ditched VertPay? You did OpenRigs before you tried to taise 200k from Vertcion investors, and you have dozens of people on BCT claiming they never recieved their products and that that was a scam too. So what is your latest money making idea right now if not Monero or are you just working for free now?
You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots! That looks absolutely beautiful! |
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For additional entertainment, read BlockaFett's cringeworthy attempts to understand what cryptography even is in the XMR v. DRK thread. But being way out of his depth on a subject is no barrier for a guy with no self-awareness.
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I for one would like to thank BlockHeadfet for forcing Fluffy to show us this!!!  And BlockHeadFet why don't you ask this shit of Evan? |
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? |
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?
An altcoin payment processor that settles on the back in BTC and/or XMR. |
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?
Web application to pay Bills with Monero and Bitcoins. Question is: globally or is it restricted geographically? |
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.
This is all true but it is understandable when the standard of behavior in this community is so low it is: a) hard to believe, and b) of no use for us to state it because on one believes it anyway (and reasonably so). It's more reasonable in some objective sense to see this project as just another one of many scams than to believe it really is different. So we will just carry on with the project and actions will speak louder than words (if more slowly). If you've been around since last year you can see that the amount of attacks against the project and core team are actually a lot lower now, I think a small indication that the message is getting through. It won't reach everyone immediately (or even perhaps eventually) though, nor do I expect it to. After months of watching this coin I saw this truth, as the saying goes "Actions speak louder than words", and this teams actions speak volumes. |
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?
An altcoin payment processor that settles on the back in BTC and/or XMR. If I read correctly, there was an effort to raise 200k USD for it? I really fail to see why this would require 200k USD (?)... Is it a "downsized" version? What am I missing? |
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.
Im a big Dash/Drk trader and have traded many others...Although I must say that I wasn’t excited about the way the 1 or 2 XMR devs handle themselves in that thread and a few others, after much reading and research, I do believe this project has great great potential. Im actually really excited to start really taking a bigger position with XMR in my portfolio(sold last BIG pump and caught a small position after the BCX fiasco). I think the main reason why It took me longer to even give the project a fair research is because some of the devs carried themselves the way they did. Again just giving prospective from a somewhat outsider. I know everyone in this thread has their own thoughts on evan...but the one thing that many respect about him is that he is always quiet with the nonsense. Dosent answer to trolls or smear other coins just gives updates and discusses factors and ideas only within the realm of the project. I think theirs something positive to be said about a dev mentality like that. Avoid the nonsense and focus exclusively on the mission. Again not trying to troll or make anyone sour. Like I said .....anyone who actually reads and researches into this project can see the amazing work going on here in Monero. Im excited to be taking a bigger position and look forward to trying to help the community in anyway possible. Just wanted to vent some views/opinions from an outsider coming in. I think we could suck alot more people in to this awesome project if we stopped putting out a bad taste in peoples mouths. Either way excited for the future of Monero! That being said....anyone got some good Monero footers I could use for my account Glad to see you. Not sure about what DEV you mean was trolling. Sometimes there are out of control supporters which I've never seen a dev support but there has been alot of mudslingng going on so I wouldn't be surprised if a correction post was worded poorly.  Anyway Glad to see you and wish I had not bought at the peak before BCX and waited till the rock bottom (which was minblowingly low!) bargain basemenet probally never to be seen again price. |
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That being said....anyone got some good Monero footers I could use for my account
Is the following link what you are looking for? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10945285;topicseen#newAnd the following was then added; ...
You should make a sig with getmonero.org as well, I feel like that is the best site to get new people started.
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