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April 22, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
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Can anyone explain, at this time, why is the Monero lead dev working to get HitBTC delisted from CoinMarketCap?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg11163682#msg11163682

Because he is not a scammer and doesnt like scams, unlike your lead scammer. Even if Monero has to "suffer" loss of a market, so be it, we are not scammers like you.

Monero will only benefit from wiping off 90% of Bytecoin volume from CoinMarketCap.   It makes Bytecoin look less attractive because liquidity and demand are 9 times less than they actually are, just as Bytecoin market cap overtakes Monero.

That is why I questioned the timing and the ethics, especially as the other core dev Smooth is on the Bytcoin forum accusing them directly of fraud.





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fluffypony sir, where do you get so much patience to answer trolls? His lead scammer doesn't have the balls even to address the instamine scam that is the biggest scandal in crypto right now, if BlockaFett had any self-awareness he would never post here again.

I posted here because I noticed that Fluffy and Smooth are posting accusations of fraud / scam / instamine on 3 other projects today...everywhere you look they are there.   

Considering the recent market reactions to Monero, I think its crazy that they can get away with this and still have the community supporting them...often here people post about greed, honor, ethics - this is not ethical behavior.
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April 22, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
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this is not ethical behavior.

It is absolutely ethical to attempt to save people from being scammed. I don't know how you could honestly conclude otherwise.

Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041
If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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OK.  So now you and Smooth seem to be fighting on 3 fronts - Dash 'instamine scam', Bytecoin 'abject fraud', HitBTC 'fake volume scam', and the reason is because it would be 'unconscionable' for you not to do so.

How is your actual development on Monero going, is any innovation happening, such as what?

It's going just fine, in the last month we've had 230 commits (I'm only responsible for 42 of those), with 39 491 new lines of code.

What happened to the PayBee site, is there a release date?

It's still ongoing, and yes there is. The staff and my co-founders know the release date.

How do you find the time between all this other activity

A very supportive and beautiful wife, the luxury of being able to spend a large portion of my time on projects of my choosing, and really good coffee.

and how did you come to the decision that the Monero dev's should be so active 'fighting scam's when in most coins the devs are just trying to innovate and grow adoption in the market?

I don't control anyone. I don't tell Tom Winget what games he should play, or any of the Monero Research Lab researchers where they must have supper. What smooth does, what the rest of the core team do, what any of the Monero contributors do, is entirely up to them. Nobody "came to a decision" about any course of action, we've just independently identified obvious scams and spoken out about it. If I was a scammer I'd expect people to do the same; thus when I've been accused of being a scammer I've been able to defend myself.

And lastly how come the scams that you bust always seem to have some competitive aspect with Monero, is that because you don't want Anon users to be scammed?

Nonsense - I've called out everything from the Seedcoin fund nonsense to the Alpha Technologies scam to the insanity of Brock Pierce titling himself as "the godfather of Bitcoin" when he's done absolutely nothing. I went to the Bitcoin Africa conference last week, and called out every single idiotic presenter shilling their product when they should've been talking on their topic (the exception being Lorien Gamaroff's presentation on smart grids, who was excellent overall and intuitively "got" the issues with consumer education and mixed consumer messages for BTC, as well as Erik Wilgenhof Plante who gave a very clear and well-researched talk on the state of BTC regulations around the globe).

OK simple question: lots of commits on github and lines of code as usual - what does this actual code do? I mean what features is it and how do they give value to the currency users?  It seems like there is zero actual innovation/development and you are just trying to troll every other coin / exchange / user out of the way rather than win the market over with technology like coins like Dash that you invest so much time into.  

Please prove me wrong - without a 3 pages of vagueness, can I get some bullet points to tell me what unique value does Monero deliver that any other cryptonote coin does not?  And secondly what innovations have you actually achieved in the last year over and on top of what Bytecoin already did after you cloned it?

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April 22, 2015, 06:55:20 PM
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OK simple question: lots of commits on github and lines of code as usual - what does this actual code do? I mean what features is it and how do they give value to the currency users?  It seems like there is zero actual innovation/development and you are just trying to troll every other coin / exchange / user out of the way rather than win the market over with technology like coins like Dash that you invest so much time into.  

Please prove me wrong - without a 3 pages of vagueness, can I get some bullet points to tell me what unique value does Monero deliver that any other cryptonote coin does not?  And secondly what innovations have you actually achieved in the last year over and on top of what Bytecoin already did after you cloned it?

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These specific commits:

- new daemonize mode
- background forking on Unix-like operating systems
- backgrounding on Windows via services
- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links
- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB
- DNSSEC root keys
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing)
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution
- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool)
- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions
- gtest updated
- libunbound updated
- 32-bit fixes
- ARM fixes

As to what we're working on at the moment:




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April 22, 2015, 06:57:52 PM
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Please prove me wrong - without a 3 pages of vagueness, can I get some bullet points to tell me what unique value does Monero deliver that any other cryptonote coin does not?  And secondly what innovations have you actually achieved in the last year over and on top of what Bytecoin already did after you cloned it?

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Prove yourself right. You are the one with the issue, after all.

As to what Monero's achieved, feel free to lift a finger and look for yourself (getmonero.com is a start). But we already know you're just here to spread FUD, so carry on.
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And secondly what innovations have you actually achieved in the last year over and on top of what Bytecoin already did after you cloned it?

Almost forgot to link you to this: https://getmonero.org/2015/01/05/monero-missive-2014-year-in-review.html

Since you don't like clicking on links I've repeated it here for your perusal:

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State of Monero: 2014

As an open-source project, Monero is built on the back of volunteers, contributors, and donations. So let's start with a financial report.

For donations received over the year: we received 21 636.40655 XMR spread over 4343 transactions, and 8.04559 BTC spread over 25 transactions. Thus our average XMR donation is around 5 XMR, and our average BTC donation is around 0.32 BTC. As most of our costs are BTC based, XMR donations were traded into BTC where necessary (typically through OTC trades and not on-market), giving us a rough total of all receipts of 39.536205689 BTC (in XMR donations) + 8.04559 BTC (in BTC donations) = 47.581795689 BTC.

Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get paid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero).

So, what did our ~212 BTC get spent on over the year? Or, in other words, what did we accomplish? Here's a bit of a taste before we dig into the nitty-gritty:



Core Development

Well, let's start by excluding a lot of development done in branches on forks, and focusing on the master branch of the git repo. We inherited the Monero project pretty much from the end of April, with thankful_for_today's last commit on April 30th, 2014.

In order to see what we did with some pragmatism we took two folders, one containing the Monero source on April 30th at that last commit, and one containing the Monero source on December 31st. We removed everything in the external/ folder, except the CMakeLists.txt, so that we weren't including external libraries in our count. We then used Araxis Merge to produce a diff report between the two folders (plus Github's compare tool to give us additional information). We then subtracted the license changes we made earlier this year (208 files were affected, which means that for each we have to remove 2 lines from the "removed" count, 1 line from the "changed" count, and 28 lines from the "inserted" count). The summary is below, and whilst it obviously precludes things like where we made several changes to the same line of code, or missteps we reverted, it gives a very general indication of the effort.

- 35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team
- 594 separate commits
- 11 contributors
- 10 221 modified lines
- 12 706 new lines
- 32 lines removed

Now may be thinking "wow, that's like 94 lines of code a day!", but it's important to remember that included in this are documentation and code comments, mnemonic word lists for several languages, as well as changes made to Bytecoin early on that we merged in.

However, it doesn't diminish the gargantuan effort that went into the Monero core over the year, and we are truly grateful to all who have been involved. Some of the highlights of work that was committed to the Monero core master repo over the past 8 months, in chronological order, include -

April:

- got Monero building and running on OS X

May:

- removed purposely obfuscated hashing loop
- added a 'diff' daemon command to show current estimated difficulty and hash rate
- more hashing optimisations, including AES-NI support
- new wallet RPC commands: save_bc, getaddress; new daemon RPC commands: mining_status
- enabled checkpointing and checkpoint verification
- fixed the block reward penalty mechanism and dynamic block sizing
- new wallet RPC commands: incoming_transfers
- fixed exit flags, added --exit-after-cmd simplewallet flag

June:

- added payment IDs to simplewallet's 'transfer' RPC command
- added Doxyfile for code documentation
- refactored parts of simplewallet
- added Electrum-style mnemonics to simplewallet
- got Monero building and running on Arch Linux
- further improvements to hashing algorithm, including huge pages and AES-NI key expansion
- added tx auto-splitting and changed transaction creation semantics internally

July:

- new wallet RPC command: get_bulk_payments; new daemon RPC command: get_connections
- new README, license changes to BSD 3-clause

August:

- optional height parameter for simplewallet refresh
- fixed wallet restore from seed
- new wallet RPC command: query_key; new wallet commands: seed, viewkey
- stopped a major spam attack dead in its tracks
- highly sophisticated attack causes the network to fork for 30 minutes, urgently and immediately patched

September:

- blob checkpointing added (over and above normal block hash checkpointing)
- got Monero building and running on FreeBSD
- major documentation of several C classes
- new versioning system to allow for rapid identification of build commit
- started enforcing GPG signed commits and merges, initial GPG keys added
- testnet launched
- dropped support for Visual Studio, added support for mingw-w64 + msys2
- DNS resolver (libunbound) added, initial OpenAlias support
- dynamic file-based checkpointing added
- multi-language mnemonics introduced for wallets
- new wordlists: Portuguese, and Spanish (first 4 letters unique)
- DNS checkpointing added for rapid checkpoint alert / enforcement

October:

- reworked log level choices
- new wordlists: English (first 3 letters unique), as well as Japanese (first 4 letters unique)
- PoW algorithm fully documented
- switched to RapidJSON for JSON parsing
- changed wallet file format (encrypted JSON)
- massive CMake overhaul begun by KitWare, the creators of CMake

November:

- per-kb transaction fees introduced
- CMake overhaul completed, dynamic and static builds finally working again on all platforms

December:

- bug fixes, bug fixes, and more bug fixes

The Monero Research Lab

Another major effort has been the Monero Research Lab, the MRL. In addition to the members of the core team, the triplets (Surae / Sarang / Shen Noether, obviously pseudonyms) spent months reviewing the CryptoNote whitepaper, publishing a synopsis of their review, and then building on that by doing extensive Monero research and finally producing several important research bulletins. From the ground-breaking chain reaction attacks in MRL-0001 to the deep dive explanation of Monero Ring Signatures in MRL-0003 (and the accompanying Python implementation) it has been 8 months of remarkable output for a group of people that at best only knew of each other very peripherally.

The Monero Research Lab members have also engaged regularly with Bitcoin researchers, including a mutually beneficial friendship with Andrew Poelstra who is included in the group of the "MRL Friends".

Between the whitepaper annotations, the review, and the MRL research bulletins published in 2014, 655 lines of python were released and over 25 000 words were written, all of which was the culmination of over 197 000 words spent in intense academic discussion.

The academics in the MRL also had an opportunity to meet up with Riccardo Spagni (fluffypony) and Tom Winget (tewinget) towards the end of the year, in a weekend of epic nerdiness that included a trip to a natural history museum and getting stuck on the side of the highway with no petrol due to a faulty gauge. Don't worry, the emergency petrol fill up wasn't paid for by donations;)

Infrastructure

The Monero web infrastructure consists of 4 key components: web hosting, testing infrastructure, seeding, and download hosting.

Our web hosting serves the Monero website, the Monero forum, the Monero Research Lab site, and so on.

Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. Our QA lead contributor, Gazby, who has recently started will be bringing the testing infrastructure up to scratch, and adding things like Jenkins for nightly builds and Gitian for deterministic signed releases.

Seeding infrastructure consists of several geographically separated boxes that keep the moneroseeds.se/ae.org/ch/li records updated with active seed nodes.

Download hosting consists of several servers scattered across the globe (3x USA, 2x UK, 1x Germany), and it serves all static content including the blockchain downloads, Monero binaries, MRL publications, and so on. The Monero blockchain alone is downloaded hundreds of times in a month, with our bandwidth usage regularly exceeding 2tb a month across the download nodes. Obviously this provision is not cheap, which is why your continued assistance to this project is greatly appreciated.

OpenAlias

An important project that the Monero Core Team created and developed is OpenAlias. Monero addresses are ugly, complex, and not really human readable. But then, too, so are Bitcoin addresses. Typically most cryptocurrencies attempt to solve this by having some sort of centralised register, say they've developed "aliasing", and call it a day. For Monero, this approach simply wasn't good enough.

To understand why it is important one must first understand "Zooko's Triangle". Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn, the incredible brain that contributed so much to the Tahoe-LAFS distributed file system (and which was first released May 2nd, 2007), posited that any naming or aliasing system has three goals or desirable traits (and we're just going to quote Wikipedia here) -

- Human-meaningful: The quality of meaningfulness and memorability to the users of the naming system. Domain names and nicknaming are naming systems that are highly memorable.
- Decentralized: The lack of a centralized authority for determining the meaning of a name. Instead, measures such as a Web of trust are used.
- Secure: The quality that there is one, unique and specific entity to which the name maps. For instance, domain names are unique because there is just one party able to prove that they are the owner of each domain name.

Zooko initially concluded that it was impossible for a naming system to have all 3, and at best it could hope to have 2 of the 3. Subsequently, systems such as Namecoin and Twister proved that it was, in fact, possible to have all 3.

Despite that, most of the aliasing / naming implementations that exist today seem to fail on the decentralised aspect (eg. requiring that a block is solved to register an alias centralises it in the hands of the large mining pools, and also limits the number of aliases that can be created a day), and almost always fail on the long-term goal of "human-meaningful".

We say the latter because a limited aliasing system where globally unique nicknames are chosen invariably devolves to a post-land-grab scenario where so many variants of "bob" have been acquired that a user is forced to chose bob0923840129832 as his alias, which really doesn't solve the naming issue at all. In addition, it forces the cryptocurrency creator to be the one responsible for solving alias disputes, and in many cases aliases are permanent and cannot be changed if you lose your private key.

OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" (still a unique and difficult to accomplish task), but it allows for the offloading of decentralisation to Namecoin or GNUnet or similar, whilst still allowing for the offloading of conflict resolution to existing systems such as ICANN's ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution). Best of all, it leverages the fact that so many people and companies *already own their own domain names*, so there is no need for additional complexity.

Monero has implemented OpenAlias on quite a basic level, and will be improving its support as time goes on. The OpenAlias project has also not been standing still, and has been working on several sub-projects.

GUI and Database

With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat. On the other hand, the blockchain database implementation has progressed nicely, and is currently being rebased to the latest master and tests are being updated and created for it.

The GUI code alone already consists of 5 213 lines of QML and over 100 lines of C++, and that is well before anything is wired up. The blockchainDB code consists of over 60 commits on the implementation alone (over and above the tons of commits to create the generic classes and implement all the functionality prior to that), with over 5 500 lines of code already part of it. It truly has been a monumental engineering task.

Monero Forum

A project guided and directed by the Core Team, although primarily written by a contributor (Eddieh), the forum grew out of an interesting need. On the one hand, Monero is still in its infancy, and the Monero sub-Reddit would likely have sufficed for quite some time. On the other hand, there was a general pressure for us to have our own forum, our own home.

So why didn't we just use something off-the-shelf? There were several reasons. The primary reason is that most forum software (SimpleMachines, phpBB, Vanilla, etc.) is either too clunky or too old to really be workable in a modern context. And, too, it would be something we would have to live with for a long time (see: Bitcointalk, for instance). Customising existing forum software to suit our needs would not have been cheap (see: Bitcointalk again). Thus a decision was made to see if we could find someone to pursue creating something fresh for us as a peripheral exercise.

After 6311 lines of PHP, 1226 lines of CSS, and 135 lines of JavaScript, we're proud of what we've produced. Instead of using antiquated content systems like BBCode, we have MarkDown. Instead of pages and pages of threads, we have infinite scrolling and threaded views. Instead of fundamentally flawed trust systems like "default trust" we have a synchronised copy of the Bitcoin-OTC Web of Trust, allowing users with existing WoT accounts to immediately have their trust groups accessible on the Monero Forum for trading. Instead of only meaningless sorting by date (which we have!) we have posts sorted by weight. Since weight is a product both of post age, insightful/irrelevant votes, and your trust relationship to the poster, you are already able to visit a thread and only see comments that are relevant to you, with all other comments collapsed. We are actively massaging more usefulness out of the weighting, but it is core and fundamental to the forum.

Obviously this is a project that still has a LONG way to go to reach maturity. With that in mind, don't forget that you are key to this: if there's something about the forum you don't like, or a feature you want, or a bug you've found, put it in the Meta section of the forum (until we have a github repo that you can post issues to).

The Monero Missives

Our first Missive was put out on Monday, June 2nd, 2014, and has been instrumental in collating and bringing together various little snippets and pieces of work and threads every week. In the 30 weeks from that first one till the end of the year we put them on pause for 4 weeks during the attacks in August, and took a 2 week break at the end of the year. The remaining 24 weeks had 21 Missives in them, giving quite a bit of coverage and keeping our userbase as informed as possible. Some Missives are easy and only take us two or three hours to put together.

Some Missives are substantially harder due to time constraints, dependencies, research (see: this Missive you're reading, for instance;) or just the sheer amount of stuff that is going on. In total, the 21 Missives we put out over the past 8 months contained nearly 16 000 words over 689 sentences!

And just for fun, this Missive took several days to put together (not all day, every day, mind you) and unsurprisingly ends up being our largest Missive by far, at 3 450 words and 111 sentences!

Other Core Team Projects

The two other projects the Core Team released in the year are the Monero DNS seeder (xmr-seeder), and URS, a Unique Ring Signature signing tool written in Go. Both of them are active contributions to the Monero infrastructure, and continue to be useful and fundamental on a daily basis.

External Projects: 2014

The Monero Core team and core contributors obviously aren't the only ones working on Monero-related projects. Some highlights from the year include:

Node CryptoNote Pool

When Monero first started there was no open-source pool software for it. Through the collective efforts of zone117x and lucasjones, an open-source pool was developed and released. It was an incredible undertaking, given the monstrous lack of documentation and code comments in the CryptoNote source, and we owe them a debt of thanks.

i2pd Development Partnership

Initially this started as a partnership with the i2p team, with a view to getting i2pcpp to a workable stage. When i2pcpp stalled, and on advice from the i2p team, we form the Privacy Solutions working group between Monero, AnonCoin, members of the i2p team, and the i2pd developers.

The focus for the past few months has been on i2pd, which has made amazing progress. Since the launch of the PrivacySolutions partnership at the end of July, a series of 692 commits has brought i2pd up to a stage where it can maintain relatively stable connections to the i2p network.

ForkGuard and MoneroClub

Both services launched and operated by Atrides, ForkGuard provides realtime information on the current block height for pools and services that run full Monero nodes, and MoneroClub is a listing of localised Monero and fiat OTC trade offers. Atrides isn't stopping there, and for his next project he's looking to produce a Monero fork of OpenBazaar!

MyMonero

Owned by Riccardo Spagni (fluffypony) and Risto Pietilä (rpietila), and operated by fluffypony, MyMonero is the first web-based client for Monero. In doing so it closes a major end-user usability gap, and goes a long way towards making Monero useful and usable.

Crypto Kingdom

Created and started by his lordship, King Risto, Crypto Kingdom is a retro-style virtual world game where players can interact, build, create, and so on. An online playable version is in the works, and as Monero is driving the in-game resources and currency it is well on its way to becoming a fully-fledged microeconomy!

Looking Forward: 2015

We have a lot in the pipeline for 2015. A few things that we'd like to highlight that you can look forward to:

- more MRL academic goodness, including some of the work started at our MRL mini-meetup from 2014
- a finalised, working, tested blockchain DB implementation using LMDB
- i2p integration
- some additional blockchain DB implementations
- finalisation and release of the Monero core GUI
- the release of smart mining functionality
- the finalisation of a complete overhaul of the RPC functionality
- HTTPS and simple auth support for RPC servers
- a new, unified, well-documented RPC interface
- blocknotify and walletnotify equivalents in the daemon and wallet client
- a complete replacement of the wallet/server IPC with 0MQ
- multi-signature transactions
- open-sourcing the Monero Forum software
- the release of some OpenAlias sub-projects

And, undoubtedly, much more both for Monero core and related external projects.

Of course, none of this would be possible without donations from our users, and we are most appreciative and grateful to those that have donated thus far. We hope that over the next year you will continue to help and assist us - and don't forget our donation addresses are powered by OpenAlias, both XMR and BTC donation addresses are on donate.getmonero.org

Thank you for a great 2014, and here's to a great 2015!

Your Core Team - Riccardo "fluffypony" Spagni, smooth, othe, David Latapie, tacotime, NoodleDoodle, eizh

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April 22, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
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These specific commits:

- new daemonize mode
- background forking on Unix-like operating systems
- backgrounding on Windows via services
- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links
- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB
- DNSSEC root keys
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing)
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution
- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool)
- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions
- gtest updated
- libunbound updated
- 32-bit fixes
- ARM fixes


Hi, sorry I don't get the actual use of all these features..  I am trying to ascertain, what are the *real world* benefits to users of this?  For example Dash recently implemented instant transactions, example of real world use is: "Let users buy stuff at same speed as credit card without waiting 15 minutes" - sorry to mention Dash, but I am trying to understand Monero innovation in these terms.  And quantify that against other Cryptonote coins in the market?  Is this possible?
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Okay, now we have a good and extensive review for 2014. What about a similar preview for 2015 and perhaps 2016? Would be great!
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Hi, sorry I don't get the actual use of all these features..  I am trying to ascertain, what are the *real world* benefits to users of this?  For example Dash recently implemented instant transactions, example of real world use is: "Let users buy stuff at same speed as credit card without waiting 15 minutes" - sorry to mention Dash, but I am trying to understand Monero innovation in these terms.  And quantify that against other Cryptonote coins in the market?  Is this possible?

Here, I wrote some catch phrases for you:

- new daemonize mode: Monero: no need to run it in a screen session!
- background forking on Unix-like operating systems Monero: if you love Linux you'll love how Monero forks!
- backgrounding on Windows via services Monero: the only CryptoNote that runs as a Windows service...sysadmins love us!
- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links Monero: we're literally the only cryptocurrency that has this
- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch Monero: efficient storage on 32-bit devices
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB Monero: got ARM? We've got your blockchain storage solution!
- DNSSEC root keys Monero: DNSSEC where you need it most on a resolver
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing) Monero: safe, secure, distributed checkpoints keep your blockchain in sync
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution Monero: now with OpenAlias cryptocurrency becomes easy, even for grandma!
- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool) Monero: don't get fed-up with a lack of tools, devops, we've got you covered
- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions Monero: all the logging, all the time
- gtest updated Monero: our tests use the latest gtest, because we're simply that cool
- libunbound updated Monero: no libunbound bugs for us!
- 32-bit fixes Monero: even your 5 year old Dell will run it...soon!
- ARM fixes Monero: got a Raspberry Pi? Monero loves you!

Hope this helps. I know that computers are big and scary, but I believe in you. You can do it!

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Okay, now we have a good and extensive review for 2014. What about a similar preview for 2015 and perhaps 2016? Would be great!

You must've missed it a few posts back:




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...

These specific commits:

- new daemonize mode
- background forking on Unix-like operating systems
- backgrounding on Windows via services
- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links
- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB
- DNSSEC root keys
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing)
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution
- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool)
- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions
- gtest updated
- libunbound updated
- 32-bit fixes
- ARM fixes


Hi, sorry I don't get the actual use of all these features..  I am trying to ascertain, what are the *real world* benefits to users of this?  For example Dash recently implemented instant transactions, example of real world use is: "Let users buy stuff at same speed as credit card without waiting 15 minutes" - sorry to mention Dash, but I am trying to understand Monero innovation in these terms.  And quantify that against other Cryptonote coins in the market?  Is this possible?

Thats just the thing. You really hit on an important point without realizing it. You hinted at the way in which dash and monero are fundamentally different.

Our project is not about attracting investors. It's about building something for posterity, something that will change the world and its a long term vision. Since its not about quick profits, our devs focus on a solid foundation first and foremost. Dash on the other hand is all about putting the hawtest makeup on a pig so that it can be flipped for quick profits.

I can guarantee you that dash will come and go, likewise there is a pretty good chance that monero will come and go. But monero's code base will live on. Its ideas will live on. Nothing of dash will remain beyond its current iteration except maybe an obscure footnote in history.

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( sigh )

i know very little more than squat for most of these, but here's my take.

- new daemonize mode

allows program to run in the background, similar to how most cryptocurrency daemons work - as actual invisible demons.

- background forking on Unix-like operating systems
- backgrounding on Windows via services

no idea what background forking is. Oh wait google http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56495/whats-the-difference-between-running-a-program-as-a-daemon-and-forking-it-into

- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links

Makes sure your bitmonero doesn't eat your internets.

- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB

continues the path to get blockchain off ram - these are some alternative database architectures so it'll run on raspberry pies and other assorted pastries, and a toaster.

- DNSSEC root keys
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing)
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution

I'm assuming some fanciness to allow you to use openalias addresses instead of godaweful alphanumerical strings with some confidence that things are secure.

- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool)

Allows you to analyze how well your bitmonero is performing (?) So you don't have to wonder "gee, i wonder if all these errors in log 2 mean anything"

- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions

i dunno, use google: http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

- gtest updated
- libunbound updated

to get you g's unbounded, duh,.

- 32-bit fixes
- ARM fixes

so I can finally run bitmonerod on the dell laptop circa 2001 I found or my phone.

Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

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April 22, 2015, 07:32:33 PM
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...

These specific commits:

- new daemonize mode
- background forking on Unix-like operating systems
- backgrounding on Windows via services
- QoS (bandwidth control) on both up and down links
- fallback blockchain storage in LMDB's vl32 experimental branch
- alternate blockchain storage in Berkeley DB
- DNSSEC root keys
- DNSSEC verification for MoneroPulse (distributed checkpointing)
- DNSSEC verification for OpenAlias resolution
- base support for Dr. Monero (performance analysis tool)
- new logging system, based on the same core subsystem as OpenTransactions
- gtest updated
- libunbound updated
- 32-bit fixes
- ARM fixes


Hi, sorry I don't get the actual use of all these features..  I am trying to ascertain, what are the *real world* benefits to users of this?  For example Dash recently implemented instant transactions, example of real world use is: "Let users buy stuff at same speed as credit card without waiting 15 minutes" - sorry to mention Dash, but I am trying to understand Monero innovation in these terms.  And quantify that against other Cryptonote coins in the market?  Is this possible?

Thats just the thing. You really hit on an important point without realizing it. You hinted at the way in which dash and monero are fundamentally different.

Our project is not about attracting investors. It's about building something for posterity, something that will change the world and its a long term vision. Since its not about quick profits, our devs focus on a solid foundation first and foremost. Dash on the other hand is all about putting the hawtest makeup on a pig so that it can be flipped for quick profits.

I can guarantee you that dash will come and go, likewise there is a pretty good chance that monero will come and go. But monero's code base will live on. Its ideas will live on. Nothing of dash will remain beyond its current iteration except maybe an obscure footnote in history.

This sounds like marketing blurb I have to read from startups that want investment, absent of any actual substance apart from maybe 3% where the people have an actual good idea.  

You don't say how Monero "will change the world" you just say that it will and everything else is false apart from your project (and the old classic:  "there are no competitors" I heard here before).  

You criticize coins like Dash that have clear value propositions: problem - Bitcoin doesn't work because real world users won't wait 15 minutes. solution - Dash has < 4 second payment time. result: users use Dash, financial independence delivered (aka world changed).

Then you say that all this doesn't matter because it's not about the money blah blah - lesson in changing the world: it takes money.  In crypto, money is everything, and making cryptocurrencies more useful than fiat payment systems like credit cards is the absolute key to that, it's literally all about money in crypto.  And this does not equate to greed either, because the ends are financial freedom, not greed.  Without this basic knowledge, I might not take your 'guarantee' that Dash will be a footnote in history, quite the opposite, when the 'dumb money' doesn't get it, it's usually quite bullish Cheesy  

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April 22, 2015, 07:39:19 PM
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Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

If you are saying that Monero doesn't have instant transactions, you might want to address that before trying to change the world.  Most people in the world expect instant payment using cash or credit card, i'm not sure how you expect people to adopt a delayed payments system but good luck.
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April 22, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
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Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

If you are saying that Monero doesn't have instant transactions, you might want to address that before trying to change the world.  Most people in the world expect instant payment using cash or credit card, i'm not sure how you expect people to adopt a delayed payments system but good luck.

It's almost like you didn't take 2 minutes to read and understand the research goals.

Almost as if you're...I dunno...trolling? Can't be though, you seem like such an intelligent and upstanding young man.

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Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

If you are saying that Monero doesn't have instant transactions, you might want to address that before trying to change the world.  Most people in the world expect instant payment using cash or credit card, i'm not sure how you expect people to adopt a delayed payments system but good luck.

It's almost like you didn't take 2 minutes to read and understand the research goals.

Almost as if you're...I dunno...trolling? Can't be though, you seem like such an intelligent and upstanding young man.

Sorry I don't understand.  Are you referring to the marketing graphic (aka Jizz Sheet)?  I tend not to read them, I don't want the BS spiel I just try to find real value...  Are you saying that you are implementing instant transactions?
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April 22, 2015, 07:56:07 PM
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How to justify that, collateral damage?

No, if the Monero volume is fake (and I suspect it is) then it must still go. It's even more reason to remove it, in fact, as it would be unconscionable to let it skew Monero's trade volume with fake trades.

I have no proofs but the " fake bot" is easy to notice. Every few minutes, an order appears on the first position of the order book, he is better 0.000001 xmr, immediately he is executed (partially but the remainder disappears).
the trade history seems to be active but in reality, the order book don't change. There is no real activity.

[edit] i don't look at the other market, i focused on xmr/btc

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Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

If you are saying that Monero doesn't have instant transactions, you might want to address that before trying to change the world.  Most people in the world expect instant payment using cash or credit card, i'm not sure how you expect people to adopt a delayed payments system but good luck.

same way they've been accepting bitcoin payments IRL currently. (?)

Yeah, i get yah - instant transactions wooh. At some point someone may craft a truly decentralized way to have instant private transactions, and hopefully the monero codebase can be useful to this development.

IMO, what Monero is currently fighting is the battle of entrenchment / lock-in, as detailed here, page 8.

http://r-u-ins.org/resource/pdfs/YouAreNotAGadget-A_Manifesto.pdf

But here's a quote,

Quote
One day in the early 1980s, a music synthesizer designer named Dave Smith casually
made up a way to represent musical notes. It was called MIDI. His approach conceived of music
from a keyboard player‟s point of view. MIDI was made of digital patterns that represented
keyboard events like “key-down” and “key-up.”
That meant it could not describe the curvy, transient expressions a singer or a saxophone
player can produce. It could only describe the tile mosaic world of the keyboardist, not the
watercolor world of the violin. But there was no reason for MIDI to be concerned with the whole
of musical expression, since Dave only wanted to connect some synthesizers together so that he
could have a larger palette of sounds while playing a single keyboard.
In spite of its limitations, MIDI became the standard scheme to represent music in
software. Music programs and synthesizers were designed to work with it, and it quickly proved
impractical to change or dispose of all that software and hardware. MIDI became entrenched,
and despite Herculean efforts to reform it on many occasions by a multi-decade-long parade of
powerful international commercial, academic, and professional organizations, it remains so.
Standards and their inevitable lack of prescience posed a nuisance before computers, of
course. Railroad gauges—the dimensions of the tracks—are one example. The London Tube was
designed with narrow tracks and matching tunnels that, on several of the lines, cannot
accommodate air-conditioning, because there is no room to ventilate the hot air from the trains.
Thus, tens of thousands of modern-day residents in one of the world‟s richest cities must suffer a
stifling commute because of an inflexible design decision made more than one hundred years
ago.
But software is worse than railroads, because it must always adhere with absolute
perfection to a boundlessly particular, arbitrary, tangled, intractable messiness. The engineering
requirements are so stringent and perverse that adapting to shifting standards can be an endless
struggle. So while lock-in may be a gangster in the world of railroads, it is an absolute tyrant in
the digital world.

Dash (as a technology, ignoring the instamine) has ignored the threat of lock-in, and instead is trying to make the best of a locked-in situation.

Monero is breaking out of the lock-in.

Now, here I lack information, and correct me if I'm wrong - does DASH use stealth addressing? Or is this rich list really a rich list?
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!rich

If I can find an address and look up its account information on the blockchain, WTF?

< Track your bitcoins! > < Track them again! > <<< [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qomqt/what_a_landmark_legal_case_from_mid1700s_scotland/] What is fungibility? >>> 46P88uZ4edEgsk7iKQUGu2FUDYcdHm2HtLFiGLp1inG4e4f9PTb4mbHWYWFZGYUeQidJ8hFym2WUmWc p34X8HHmFS2LXJkf <<< Free subdomains at moneroworld.com!! >>> <<< If you don't want to run your own node, point your wallet to node.moneroworld.com, and get connected to a random node! @@@@ FUCK ALL THE PROFITEERS! PROOF OF WORK OR ITS A SCAM !!! @@@@
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Blockafett, I think what you may forget is that monero is not a bitcoin clone - therefore, there's a lot more under the hood development that is not as blatantly "oh look my transaction is shiny fast"

If you are saying that Monero doesn't have instant transactions, you might want to address that before trying to change the world.  Most people in the world expect instant payment using cash or credit card, i'm not sure how you expect people to adopt a delayed payments system but good luck.

same way they've been accepting bitcoin payments IRL currently. (?)

Yeah, i get yah - instant transactions wooh. At some point someone may craft a truly decentralized way to have instant private transactions, and hopefully the monero codebase can be useful to this development.

IMO, what Monero is currently fighting is the battle of entrenchment / lock-in, as detailed here, page 8.

http://r-u-ins.org/resource/pdfs/YouAreNotAGadget-A_Manifesto.pdf

But here's a quote,

Quote
One day in the early 1980s, a music synthesizer designer named Dave Smith casually
made up a way to represent musical notes. It was called MIDI. His approach conceived of music
from a keyboard player‟s point of view. MIDI was made of digital patterns that represented
keyboard events like “key-down” and “key-up.”
That meant it could not describe the curvy, transient expressions a singer or a saxophone
player can produce. It could only describe the tile mosaic world of the keyboardist, not the
watercolor world of the violin. But there was no reason for MIDI to be concerned with the whole
of musical expression, since Dave only wanted to connect some synthesizers together so that he
could have a larger palette of sounds while playing a single keyboard.
In spite of its limitations, MIDI became the standard scheme to represent music in
software. Music programs and synthesizers were designed to work with it, and it quickly proved
impractical to change or dispose of all that software and hardware. MIDI became entrenched,
and despite Herculean efforts to reform it on many occasions by a multi-decade-long parade of
powerful international commercial, academic, and professional organizations, it remains so.
Standards and their inevitable lack of prescience posed a nuisance before computers, of
course. Railroad gauges—the dimensions of the tracks—are one example. The London Tube was
designed with narrow tracks and matching tunnels that, on several of the lines, cannot
accommodate air-conditioning, because there is no room to ventilate the hot air from the trains.
Thus, tens of thousands of modern-day residents in one of the world‟s richest cities must suffer a
stifling commute because of an inflexible design decision made more than one hundred years
ago.
But software is worse than railroads, because it must always adhere with absolute
perfection to a boundlessly particular, arbitrary, tangled, intractable messiness. The engineering
requirements are so stringent and perverse that adapting to shifting standards can be an endless
struggle. So while lock-in may be a gangster in the world of railroads, it is an absolute tyrant in
the digital world.

Dash (as a technology, ignoring the instamine) has ignored the threat of lock-in, and instead is trying to make the best of a locked-in situation.

Monero is breaking out of the lock-in.

Now, here I lack information, and correct me if I'm wrong - does DASH use stealth addressing? Or is this rich list really a rich list?
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!rich

If I can find an address and look up its account information on the blockchain, WTF?

I don't have time to read all that lol, if Monero's value prop is 'lock-in' which I never heard before, can't you explain it in one sentence?

PS no need to attack Dash in every post, I get that it's the biggest threat.  That's why I am asking here for a chance for people to explain Monero's real world value, instead of the usual vague marketing referrals / blurb..
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