[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[BlockaFett]

innovation is the primary unique differential any investor looks for because it represents the greatest barrier to entry for competition to a first-mover tech.

If you were investing in ownership of the innovation (intellectual property) that is true. Buying a coin does not buy ownership of any intellectual property (other than the somewhat pedantic point that private keys may be a form of intellectual property), so your comment, as usual, is nonsensical.

If you want to "buy innovation" you should get the hell out of the cryptocurrency space and go buy into tech startups or other investments where you are actually buying a share of some innovative and protectable intellectual property assets.

Cryptocurrency is the most innovative space I have seen for a while, the whole space was a monetary innovation in the first place.  Alt coins exist to innovate better alternativess to Bitcoin which hasn't really 'chanced the world' quite yet.  I don't know what you are talking about with 'buying innovation', innovation is what users want to make their experience better (like buying something easily and without a 3rd party bank / gov watching them), equals demand & ROI & incentives for development....but when no crypto has 'changed the world' yet, without continued innovation, what is an alt coin supposed to be for exactly?

[G2M]

Oh look, now ducky mad.

Ya see, this is why you just don't feed them.

This is literally what the entire point of the posting here was supposed to bring about.

[BlockaFett]

Oh look, now ducky mad.

Ya see, this is why you just don't feed them.

This is literally what the entire point of the posting here was supposed to bring about.

Yes it is getting trolley now, no point arguing with Smooth, and I made my points so I will leave.

Good job I bumped in to your lead devs today committing (at least 1 case of) libel on their neighbour devs, instead of doing any tangible Monero development, and while the Monero price slides off a cliff as the market demonstrates what it thinks of Monero's main innovation in 2015 (trolling)..  Or we wouldn't have had this opportunity to talk and for me to discover the real value of Monero as a 'world changing' tech that is immune from needing any innovation whatsoever, but also needs donations to speed up development of zero innovation.

anyway, it's been fun

cheers

BF

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Oh look, now ducky mad.

Ya see, this is why you just don't feed them.

This is literally what the entire point of the posting here was supposed to bring about.

Yes it is getting trolley now, no point arguing with Smooth, and I made my points so I will leave.

Good job I bumped in to your lead devs today committing (at least 1 case of) libel on their neighbour devs, instead of doing any tangible Monero development, and while the Monero price slides off a cliff as the market demonstrates what it thinks of Monero's main innovation in 2015 (trolling)..  Or we wouldn't have had this opportunity to talk and for me to discover the real value of Monero as a 'world changing' tech that is immune from needing any innovation whatsoever, but also needs donations to speed up development of zero innovation.

anyway, it's been fun

cheers

BF

You come off as rather bitter/defensive about something. I wish you better fortune in the future.

[BlockaFett]

Oh look, now ducky mad.

Ya see, this is why you just don't feed them.

This is literally what the entire point of the posting here was supposed to bring about.

Yes it is getting trolley now, no point arguing with Smooth, and I made my points so I will leave.

Good job I bumped in to your lead devs today committing (at least 1 case of) libel on their neighbour devs, instead of doing any tangible Monero development, and while the Monero price slides off a cliff as the market demonstrates what it thinks of Monero's main innovation in 2015 (trolling)..  Or we wouldn't have had this opportunity to talk and for me to discover the real value of Monero as a 'world changing' tech that is immune from needing any innovation whatsoever, but also needs donations to speed up development of zero innovation.

anyway, it's been fun

cheers

BF

You come off as rather bitter/defensive about something. I wish you better fortune in the future.

IDK, maybe wanting Crypto to succeed and seeing the worst people come out and try to destroy it / profit on the backs of others / BS / claw their way to fortune...my own crypto position is in the black thanks, but it won't be if Crypto implodes from scams / infighting, like I am seeing emanating from this community on nearly every thread I visit...why don't you fix it?

[BlockaFett]

IDK, maybe wanting Crypto to succeed and seeing the worst people come out and try to destroy it / profit on the backs of others / BS / claw their way to fortune...

Talking about yourself?

More like this rang a bell with you Kazuki and your never ending Dash FUD / Monero supporting?

like I said, I made my points...cheers

[antw081]

No point replying to trolls. Their goal is to waste our time and energy. Its not like they are actually interested in dialogue.

Do everyone a favour and just ignore and don't quote.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

You come off as rather bitter/defensive about something. I wish you better fortune in the future.

IDK, maybe wanting Crypto to succeed and seeing the worst people come out and try to destroy it / profit on the backs of others / BS / claw their way to fortune...my own crypto position is in the black thanks, but it won't be if Crypto implodes from scams / infighting, like I am seeing emanating from this community on nearly every thread I visit...why don't you fix it?

I wasn't referring to your crypto position.

Perhaps you see infighting in every thread you visit because you bring it with you to every thread.

I do agree that this community as a whole is so thick with scammy behaviour, perhaps us Monero folk are a bit jaded and hasty to point it out... but I do find it somewhat humorous that you're so bent on attacking one of the only fair and community-driven projects in this space. But my perspective is obviously biased.

Regardless of your intentions, I don't get the impression you're being paid to troll... which is why I wish you good fortune.

[BlockaFett]

You come off as rather bitter/defensive about something. I wish you better fortune in the future.

IDK, maybe wanting Crypto to succeed and seeing the worst people come out and try to destroy it / profit on the backs of others / BS / claw their way to fortune...my own crypto position is in the black thanks, but it won't be if Crypto implodes from scams / infighting, like I am seeing emanating from this community on nearly every thread I visit...why don't you fix it?

I wasn't referring to your crypto position.

Perhaps you see infighting in every thread you visit because you bring it with you to every thread.

I do agree that this community as a whole is so thick with scammy behaviour, perhaps us Monero folk are a bit jaded and hasty to point it out... but I do find it somewhat humorous that you're so bent on attacking one of the only fair and community-driven projects in this space. But my perspective is obviously biased.

Regardless of your intentions, I don't get the impression you're being paid to troll... which is why I wish you good fortune.

Cheers, same goes.

[smooth]

innovation is the primary unique differential any investor looks for because it represents the greatest barrier to entry for competition to a first-mover tech.

If you were investing in ownership of the innovation (intellectual property) that is true. Buying a coin does not buy ownership of any intellectual property (other than the somewhat pedantic point that private keys may be a form of intellectual property), so your comment, as usual, is nonsensical.

If you want to "buy innovation" you should get the hell out of the cryptocurrency space and go buy into tech startups or other investments where you are actually buying a share of some innovative and protectable intellectual property assets.

Cryptocurrency is the most innovative space I have seen for a while

That may be (I actually agree), but it isn't 'investable' in the sense of buying defensible intellectual property.

You are projecting your desire to 'invest' in something that you see as innovative onto a vehicle -- buying coins -- that doesn't do what you want it to do.

but when no crypto has 'changed the world' yet, without continued innovation, what is an alt coin supposed to be for exactly?

Moving the technology forward to the point where that may happen, either with a particular coin, or with a successor. That or pump-and-dump speculation. There really isn't anything else that altcoins (or Bitcoin) are 'for'.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Also, I believe those of us pointing out scams aren't doing so "to take out the competition". Those are just the coins we're most familiar with, as they're part of our niche. I'm only speaking for myself though... perhaps the others have evil(er) intentions

[smooth]

5. Darknote - possibly tied to the original Bytecoin fraud, but not proven. Totally opaque process and little traction. Also the launch with an absurd

"Darknote - possibly tied to the original Bytecoin fraud, but not proven".

1. I claiming again and again and again - XDN, also known as duckNote, also known as DarkNote tied to original bytecoin ONLY by using their source code.
2. You have no proofs, but you say like that, thats a FUD.

The way said it was exactly the opposite of FUD. I was very explicit:

but not proven

3. I have proofs.

Interesting to hear, but unfortunately you didn't provide any. If you have something that constitutes proof of your organizational independence from Bytecoin, please let us know because I'm quite interested. Also, I would welcome proof that the original silly branding (or however you want to call it), followed by a fast mine, followed by a rebrand wasn't deliberately orchestrated to massively concentrate ownership, or that it didn't have that effect,

Seriously, I'm interested in this. As you know I'm impressed with a lot of the stuff I've seen from ducknote/darknote.

Finally, regarding what you call the game, I'm not sure we see that 'game' in exactly the same way, but in any case I don't hate the player. I'm not sure what game you are playing though.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

It actually very much feels like he's being paid to troll. If not I think checking into an institution would be the best course of action because he'd have be totally nuts with the display he's putting on. But then again this is crypto.

His behavior can be explained by many things that have nothing to do with him being paid or insane:

1) He could be stressed/upset about things in life completely unrelated to crypto. Meanwhile, he gets online to follow his investments and all these pesky entitled Monero folks (I'm trying to have an outsider's perspective ) are always interjecting and raining on his parade, which pisses him off even more. So he already has negative feelings about the project and is determined to rationalize them by focusing on the negative.

2) We have to consider the posibility that we're wrong. He might see the situation with a clarity and perspective that we don't. It wouldn't be the first time an informed majority (we're the majority in this case) is wrong.

3) Could be a little of both. He already finds us annoying, plus our activity isn't doing anything to help his current investments, plus he doesn't find us that special (maybe we aren't).


Regardless, I don't think his points have merit.

[jwinterm]

The character I'm reminded of whenever dNote uses the pronoun 'we':

[dNote]

The character I'm reminded of whenever dNote uses the pronoun 'we':

Thank you, Sir, nothing to say more here.

P.S. That is what i am talking about, see @smooth.
P.P.S. Happy breakfast on each other. bon appetit.

[generalizethis]

Blocka can chose a coin that wasn't instamined if he doesn't like the label. Or he can stop whining about it and spare us the concern for the whole crypto-community, "but think of the children!". 

Blocka, from my perspective, dash isn't as anonymous as it claims and suffers from an instamine which is the death knell for mass acceptance. The sooner it falls the better; it's getting in the way of good technology that was fairly launched and can survive media scrutiny.

The question isn't why anyone is attacking dash as an instamine, it's why didn't the dev relaunch and avoid the label in the first place? The day dash is removed from coinmarketcaps for being an instamine is the day I stop calling it out. Until then blame your dev for his half of feeding what you claim is unrighteous indignation; if dash wasn't an instamine, there would be no instamine. And 500k in an hour is an instamine.

[Anon136]

Silly guy is just bumping our thread over and over.

[pa]

Blocka can chose a coin that wasn't instamined if he doesn't like the label. Or he can stop whining about it and spare us the concern for the whole crypto-community, "but think of the children!". 

Blocka, from my perspective, dash isn't as anonymous as it claims and suffers from an instamine which is the death knell for mass acceptance. The sooner it falls the better; it's getting in the way of good technology that was fairly launched and can survive media scrutiny.

The question isn't why anyone is attacking dash as an instamine, it's why didn't the dev relaunch and avoid the label in the first place? The day dash is removed from coinmarketcaps for being an instamine is the day I stop calling it out. Until then blame your dev for his half of feeding what you claim is unrighteous indignation; if dash wasn't an instamine, there would be no instamine. And 500k in an hour is an instamine.

BF's first post to Bitcointalk:

Premine is bad right? 

[farfiman]

BF's first post to Bitcointalk:

Premine is bad right? 

"It wasn't a premine!!  I SWEAR - it was a mistake!!"
HEHE

[Globb0]

Ask a simple question about Monero....Get a lecture from the Monero lead dev about....DASH?   Why?

Because you geniuses decided to rename your coin Dash when there was already another coin called Dashcoin.

Value proposition of renaming: Hide the past for new users