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July 19, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
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The C++ i2p looked to be coming along but not stable enough to integrate, if I recall correctly what fluffypony said the last time he looked at it. That was a while ago though, so perhaps it is closer now. No specific target has been set for it though, I think the main push now is to get the database release tagged.


Thanks for the update on that important front.

Once i2p is done, I'd like to help foment creation of Monero Appliances, using BSD on open source hardware.

I buy one or two, especially if it some of the profit went to the core devs.

ProxyHam vanished?  OK, let's build BankBoxes instead...

I read one of the decentralized market coins, I can 't remember the name of the coin but not to many of them exists so I guess it can be found here somewhere uses i2p and they claim it is stable. Perhaps the Monero team could copy that.


i2p as a network is stable, but the only way of connecting to it is via a Java application. We're not comfortable adding a Java dependency to Monero, so last year we started working with the i2p developers, initially on i2pcpp and then on i2pd at their request. You can follow he progress here: https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd

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July 19, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
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Will anyone be attending the I2p conference?

https://geti2p.net/en/blog/post/2015/07/16/I2PCon

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July 19, 2015, 10:32:06 AM
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i have a question about https://mymonero.com/, sorry if wrong place to ask here.

As i see https://mymonero.com/ it is complete close sourced.
Is there any way to see the Source Code, i would like to try it with DigitalNote XDN.

Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.





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July 19, 2015, 10:46:22 AM
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How to get Monero available at btc-e?

tweet them, open support tickets, email etc

Monero needs to be easier for exchanges to add.  Polo and Bter have shown it's not impossible, but BTC-e only supports Bitcoin forks.

In addition to polo and bter, bittrex also supports it, along with hitbtc (not recommended), shapeshift, xmr.to. In the past Kozi's defunct exchange.to and mintpal did, and probably at least one or two other smaller/defunct exchanges.

So clearly isn't impossible or even necessarily that difficult. Exchanges that want to do it, can do it. Of course, that takes nothing away from making it easier to do.

And how about cryptsy? Poloniex is great exchange, but to rise volume and Monero traders, cryptsy would be really helpful.

But much better would be... ...okcoin. Just imagine how part of huge LTC volume at okcoin is going to XMR... Smiley
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July 19, 2015, 10:51:29 AM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.

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July 19, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.



But back end matters. Why just not to release a full source code for everyone to check it.  If we are talking about wallets for "money units" transfer closed source code is a critical issue for trust.

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July 19, 2015, 11:09:50 AM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.



But back end matters. Why just not to release a full source code for everyone to check it.  If we are talking about wallets for "money units" transfer closed source code is a critical issue for trust.

It has been stated that it will be released.

For security of funds the back end does not matter. The transactions are created and signed in the front end. The back end simply relays them, which is no different in function from any other node.


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July 19, 2015, 11:19:32 AM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.



But back end matters. Why just not to release a full source code for everyone to check it.  If we are talking about wallets for "money units" transfer closed source code is a critical issue for trust.

It has been stated that it will be released.

For security of funds the back end does not matter. The transactions are created and signed in the front end. The back end simply relays them, which is no different in function from any other node.


For the money transferring operation every part of source code matter. I do not know what do you have at back end => why should i trust you?
You may spy on my transactions (i don`t say you do), or do anything you want.
Also i can`t "play" with my own variant and verify security for my purposes, since there is no source code.
Close sourced wallet is a close sourced wallet.

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July 19, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.



But back end matters. Why just not to release a full source code for everyone to check it.  If we are talking about wallets for "money units" transfer closed source code is a critical issue for trust.

It has been stated that it will be released.

For security of funds the back end does not matter. The transactions are created and signed in the front end. The back end simply relays them, which is no different in function from any other node.


For the money transferring operation every part of source code matter. I do not know what do you have at back end => why should i trust you?
You may spy on my transactions (i don`t say you do), or do anything you want.

I'm pretty sure it is stated in the terms of service that MyMonero does monitor your transactions to some extent (indeed it has to in order to function). If you want the highest level of privacy you should use your own private wallet (and also take care to prevent network-level spying).

So there is no issue of security with spying, since that is part of the normal functioning.

If you are concerned about the security of your funds you can review the JavaScript to see that the private spend keys are never sent to the back end (only view keys are).
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July 19, 2015, 12:12:07 PM
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Another reason is a security. Since https://mymonero.com/ is a centralized app (or am i wrong) it is quite critical to observe the source code.

There is a back end that is not released, but the functions it performs are relatively simple, and do receive the spend keys at all (see next sentence). Most of the functionality, including all operations on spend keys, are done using JavaScript code you can view in your browser.



But back end matters. Why just not to release a full source code for everyone to check it.  If we are talking about wallets for "money units" transfer closed source code is a critical issue for trust.

It has been stated that it will be released.

For security of funds the back end does not matter. The transactions are created and signed in the front end. The back end simply relays them, which is no different in function from any other node.


For the money transferring operation every part of source code matter. I do not know what do you have at back end => why should i trust you?
You may spy on my transactions (i don`t say you do), or do anything you want.

I'm pretty sure it is stated in the terms of service that MyMonero does monitor your transactions to some extent (indeed it has to in order to function). If you want the highest level of privacy you should use your own private wallet (and also take care to prevent network-level spying).

So there is no issue of security with spying, since that is part of the normal functioning.

If you are concerned about the security of your funds you can review the JavaScript to see that the private spend keys are never sent to the back end (only view keys are).


Ok.
But anyway, some day i would like to see a source code. Wink

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July 19, 2015, 12:39:56 PM
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In addition to polo and bter, bittrex also supports it, along with hitbtc (not recommended), shapeshift, xmr.to. In the past Kozi's defunct exchange.to and mintpal did, and probably at least one or two other smaller/defunct exchanges.


Why is hitbtc not recommended?

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July 19, 2015, 01:35:28 PM
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In addition to polo and bter, bittrex also supports it, along with hitbtc (not recommended), shapeshift, xmr.to. In the past Kozi's defunct exchange.to and mintpal did, and probably at least one or two other smaller/defunct exchanges.


Why is hitbtc not recommended?

Many reports of faked volume (which I can confirm by my own experience trading there), problems with withdrawals (which I never experienced), etc.

Here's one post that cites a variety of sources reporting some of these problems:

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Last edit: July 19, 2015, 02:57:59 PM by kkraus69
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I've bought and sold many, many XDN (which I got on the cheap there Wink ) through HitBTC over the last year and have communicated with them as well over a withdrawal issue I once had a few months back which was quickly rectified. It's nice that I can deposit my XDN there with no confirmation wait unlike other exchanges. That being said, people should never store coins on any exchange. I've since withdrawn some XDN to try a new feature which let's me deposit to the blockchain.

My opinion of HitBTC is that it is one of my favorites.


In addition to polo and bter, bittrex also supports it, along with hitbtc (not recommended), shapeshift, xmr.to. In the past Kozi's defunct exchange.to and mintpal did, and probably at least one or two other smaller/defunct exchanges.


Why is hitbtc not recommended?

Many reports of faked volume (which I can confirm by my own experience trading there), problems with withdrawals (which I never experienced), etc.

Here's one post that cites a variety of sources reporting some of these problems:

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July 19, 2015, 03:04:04 PM
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mr Unknown becomes huuuuuge:

https://monerohash.com/#network

50.8% right now Shocked

btw this address, a known botnet:
Code:
47mfwjL8L95HJUj6iXUmdUe3K63brRcxrWKqeiPVLKosjYPQdfzqWFFStjL2mtEzNsX1fisa4W1SwZLHsiZPWdFe5UpBF7s

has allready mined 45k xmr on cryptmonero.com

not a lot when we consider how long it is allready up, but maybe the new version points at the unknown pool now.  both have this oscilating curve

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July 19, 2015, 05:30:03 PM
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In addition to polo and bter, bittrex also supports it, along with hitbtc (not recommended), shapeshift, xmr.to. In the past Kozi's defunct exchange.to and mintpal did, and probably at least one or two other smaller/defunct exchanges.


Why is hitbtc not recommended?

Many reports of faked volume (which I can confirm by my own experience trading there), problems with withdrawals (which I never experienced), etc.

Here's one post that cites a variety of sources reporting some of these problems:

my personal experience with hitbtc : (paste from a previous post)
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in february all withdrawal (btc,xmr...) were impossible during several weeks (don't remenber how many...). their communication was something like "our security is perhaps weak so the withdrawal are suspended, we inspect...".
Finally i can withdraw my funds the 24/02. nothing was lost but it was stressful.
and i also suspected a high proportion of "fake" trade but i haven't any proof.
i don't use hitbtc anymore and i will not.

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July 19, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
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mr Unknown becomes huuuuuge:

https://monerohash.com/#network

50.8% right now Shocked

btw this address, a known botnet:
Code:
47mfwjL8L95HJUj6iXUmdUe3K63brRcxrWKqeiPVLKosjYPQdfzqWFFStjL2mtEzNsX1fisa4W1SwZLHsiZPWdFe5UpBF7s

has allready mined 45k xmr on cryptmonero.com

not a lot when we consider how long it is allready up, but maybe the new version points at the unknown pool now.  both have this oscilating curve

now 57.1%

If have access to extra hashing poker please solo mine or support the smaller pools
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July 19, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
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mr Unknown becomes huuuuuge:

https://monerohash.com/#network

50.8% right now Shocked

'Unknown' doesn't mean an unknown pool, it could be 10 unknown pools or 10 000 people solo mining, or some combination of these. Really 100% being unknown is the ideal, although I'd feel much better about it with something like smart mining deployed and in widespread use.

Anyway, if you want to help the network, solo mine (even just one or two computers helps) or mine on small pools.
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July 19, 2015, 09:10:14 PM
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Let it be mentioned here also that I participated in a general shareholder meeting of a Finnish company today, and the decision was to liquidate all of the company's assets to BTC and cautiously acquire XMR with them. We know how to do it without disrupting the market (or if we need to disrupt it, you will notice).

The company already owns 1%+ of XMR.
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July 19, 2015, 09:40:42 PM
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Ok.
But anyway, some day i would like to see a source code. Wink

Sure, how much are you looking to pay for it? Or did you think MyMonero appeared out of thin air and for no cost?

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July 19, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
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Ok.
But anyway, some day i would like to see a source code. Wink

Sure, how much are you looking to pay for it? Or did you think MyMonero appeared out of thin air and for no cost?

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We certainly welcome public domain wallet software to appear, but MyMonero is not such.
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