[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[smooth]

Keep in mind I'm not a dev.

I've read otherwise.

GingerAle super dev powers activate!

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[americanpegasus]

I've compiled Monero successfully on two different Linux Mint 17.1 boxes. These instructions look correct. I'm on a Mac right now, so I can't delve into this deeper at the moment. Just know that it does work. I can try and help later today or tomorrow. Also, the monero IRC channel is usually very helpful.

If you could it would be appreciated. I should specify, it's Mint Mate 17.2 I have installed. I'll try and get some time in the Monero IRC channel later today too.

OK, I just installed a fresh Mint 17.2 in a VM and indeed, there are dependencies above what's needed for Ubuntu. The process should look more like this:

Code:

sudo apt-get install git gcc-4.9 cmake libunbound2 libevent-2.0-5 libgtest-dev libboost1.55-dev libboost-system1.55-dev libboost-filesystem1.55-dev libboost-thread1.55-dev libboost-date_time1.55-dev libboost-chrono1.55-dev libboost-regex1.55-dev libboost-serialization1.55-dev libboost-program_options1.55-dev libunbound-dev build-essential libssl-dev libdb++-dev

Code:

git clone https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero.git

Code:

cd bitmonero
make

Let me know how you make out.

edit: forgot libdb++-dev

I've followed all the instructions and this is what I'm getting.  Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?  Running Linux Mint 17.2, a fresh install.  I followed all the commands to install all the packages previously.

[smooth]

See reply on Support thread

[elrippo]

FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.


http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/

Thank good, someone officially writes about it 
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device 

[kazuki49]

FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.


http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/

Thank good, someone officially writes about it 
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device 

Not all is lost: https://fix10.isleaked.com/

but yeah, none of my crypto will ever touch windows.

[elrippo]

FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.


http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/

Thank good, someone officially writes about it  
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device  

Not all is lost: https://fix10.isleaked.com/

but yeah, none of my crypto will ever touch windows.

If i have to secure an unsecure OS first, and i even can't be sure if this works, you should consider yourself braindead...
Use anything other than MS and you are pretty fine  

[BoscoMurray]

FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.


http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/

Just search for "privacy" on Google news and one gets a flood of articles on the subject of how Windows 10 does the above and much more.

Try searching with https://www.duckduckgo.com/, https://www.qwant.com/, or if you really want to use google do it via https://search.disconnect.me/.

Googling anything to do with privacy is an oxymoron 

[GTO911]

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?

[smooth]

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?

I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.

[iCEBREAKER]

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?

I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.

You consider sidechains and Lightning vaporware?  Or just the versions of those which are compatible with Monero?

[skunk]

Code:

2015-Aug-05 12:28:22.322839 [P2P8][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]Sync data returned unknown top block: 202622 -> 681852 [479230 blocks (332 days) behind] 
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Aug-05 12:28:26.961903 [P2P9][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.195987 [P2P8][109.10.159.165:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.204492 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 41/80 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.211067 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 45/45 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.223177 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 79/51 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.246164 [P2P8]Height: 202623 blob: 286 cumm: 46946 p/t: 14 (4/0/0/0/0/0/9/0/0/0/7)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.252709 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 55/54 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.256634 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 1/55 H: 0 chcktx: 0
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.264167 [P2P8]Height: 202624 blob: 285 cumm: 14468 p/t: 4 (0/1/0/0/0/0/2/0/0/0/2)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.270787 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279580 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 53/52 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279954 [P2P8]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:35.640622 [P2P4][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:37.736564 [P2P8][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.500006 [P2P6][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.520971 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 25/78 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.521279 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.526165 [P2P5][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.549773 [P2P5]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:46.933277 [P2P9][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.512626 [P2P6][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.522660 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 71/46 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.523018 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
print_height
202624

ok, it seems there is something indigestible for master wallet around this block height...
i give up, will come back in some months...

[dEBRUYNE]

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?

Theoretically:

Speaking of block size...what's Monero's capacity in terms of txs per second?

Monero has a very scalable block size solution. It is "adaptive" as it changes with the amount of information going through the Monero network.

Okay, thanks. I'd prefer a number, but what you wrote will do.

What he said was right. There is no hard limit in the protocol. Noodle Doodle's recent benchmarks on an i7-2600K show 2.5 ms average tx verification time (per core) so that would max out at 1600 tx/second.

Usage at that level would require a lot of bandwidth and CPUs slower than a 2011 quad core desktop would not be able to keep up and would need to drop off.

[dEBRUYNE]

Code:

2015-Aug-05 12:28:22.322839 [P2P8][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]Sync data returned unknown top block: 202622 -> 681852 [479230 blocks (332 days) behind] 
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Aug-05 12:28:26.961903 [P2P9][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.195987 [P2P8][109.10.159.165:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.204492 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 41/80 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.211067 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 45/45 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.223177 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 79/51 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.246164 [P2P8]Height: 202623 blob: 286 cumm: 46946 p/t: 14 (4/0/0/0/0/0/9/0/0/0/7)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.252709 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 55/54 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.256634 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 1/55 H: 0 chcktx: 0
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.264167 [P2P8]Height: 202624 blob: 285 cumm: 14468 p/t: 4 (0/1/0/0/0/0/2/0/0/0/2)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.270787 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279580 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 53/52 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279954 [P2P8]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:35.640622 [P2P4][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:37.736564 [P2P8][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.500006 [P2P6][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.520971 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 25/78 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.521279 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.526165 [P2P5][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.549773 [P2P5]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:46.933277 [P2P9][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.512626 [P2P6][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.522660 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 71/46 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.523018 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
print_height
202624

ok, it seems there is something indigestible for master wallet at this block height...
i give up, will come back in some months...

warptangent said this on irc last night, I just stumbled upon it:

<warptangent> about this issue, skunk could try removing the existing poolstate.bin file. most people running a client from last year onwards, without having cleared that file, probably have dangling key images (left over from txs no longer in the pool)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg12055171#msg12055171
<warptangent> daemon I mean... bitmonerod

Also, you could try and state your question in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=652305.0

Hope that works!

[smooth]

I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.

I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.

This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?

I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.

You consider sidechains and Lightning vaporware?  Or just the versions of those which are compatible with Monero?

I guess. What's in between vapor and real? Heavy fog?

Certainly they're not deployed solutions, or even ready to be deployed solutions, especially Lightning.

[skunk]

warptangent said this on irc last night, I just stumbled upon it:

<warptangent> about this issue, skunk could try removing the existing poolstate.bin file. most people running a client from last year onwards, without having cleared that file, probably have dangling key images (left over from txs no longer in the pool)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg12055171#msg12055171
<warptangent> daemon I mean... bitmonerod

thank you, after removing poolstate.bin, it's slowly going on...

Also, you could try and state your question in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=652305.0

ops, i didn't notice there was a support thread, i'll post there next time...

[Globb0]

In theoryware

[fluffypony]

A few short questions about the project:

I have a few short answers!

1) Looking at the design and development goals for monero at https://getmonero.org/design-goals/, what is the rationale for using zeroMQ for RPC ?

We're using 0MQ for IPC (communication between client subsystems, like mining software or wallet software, and the daemon). RPC is still available via good ol' JSON RPC API. However, instead of having some calls only available via the daemon's RPC interface and some only available via the wallet interface we make all of them available via an RPC-capable wallet, or a subset available via an RPC stub, both of which communicate with the daemon via 0MQ.

2) How is ongoing development financed ?

I have a slide on this in my Bitcoinference talk, here you go:



The forum funding system is newer, so it's only just started to become useful, but I expect that will be the main finance driver in future.

3) What processes are used to define the design goals and prioritize them ?

The core team are stewards of the project, and so the bulk of those decisions were "made" by the core team, but born out of discussions here, on IRC, on Reddit, on the Monero Forum, etc. This is roughly the model going forward, in that the project is driven by something akin to Apache's lazy consensus model. Community members can pitch ideas on the forum, existing or new contributors can pledge to complete an idea (setting milestones and costs), and then the community raises funds against that idea. That entire process doesn't require any "guidance" from the core team, although we will say something if we think it is a waste of effort or whatever.

4) Should a need arise to change the POW algo because, for example, someone introduces a CryptoNight FPGA or ASIC device, what process would the monero community and/or the development team use to pick a new algorithm and schedule its introduction ?

Someone would pitch replacements as ideas, and consensus would typically emerge from the discussions on the relevant ideas threads. An idea to implement WafflePoW (not an actual thing) is useless unless there's someone willing to do the work. At the same time, a suggestion to switch to X13 would be laughed away, even if there were someone willing to do the work. Once an idea is workable, is generally agreed upon, and has an implementer, it can move to being funded. Once implementation starts it would typically be too late for someone else to suddenly decide they've got a better idea, unless the community really thinks it's worth halting the one to switch to the other.

5) Are there estimated dates for the completion of these goals ?

Without knowing who will complete them, what other ones will come up, if there will be funding for them, it's hard to say:)

[s1gs3gv]

I have a few short answers!

Thanks for your helpful replies.

[novag]

How many xmr (maximum) can i send on Polonex (by one transaction) from MoneroClient.Net?

[GingerAle]

How many xmr (maximum) can i send on Polonex (by one transaction) from MoneroClient.Net?

theoretically, all of them. Though the cost of the transaction will depend on the outputs you have (if I understand things correctly)