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August 12, 2014, 06:45:24 PM
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I might be asking the obvious.... but is the anonymity feature using mixer a done deal ? It is not peer reviewed and open sourced as far as I know. But is it working perfectly?
Why is the focus now on chat, video etc.?

Multipath (and trustless mixing) was implemented on 7/7/14 in the Rev 2 release.

It's working, and the team has been testing, bugfixing, and refining it since then and have released several updates.

Before the final Rev 2 release, stealth addresses will be added. This means that Privacy Mode will obscure not only the amount and the sender's address, but the receiver's address too. It's a whole other level of privacy.

In order for XC to use stealth addresses in the way we want to, we needed to implement XChat. Your XChat address will function as a traceless "business card" by which people can both pay and contact you. When they pay, your publicised address will not receive the payment (due to stealth addresses), and when they message you, no record is left on the blockchain. Therefore you have a fascinatingly public-but-private way of presenting yourself to the world.

Since XChat is now pretty much done, Dan has moved onto updating decentralised mixing, and is nearing the final Rev 2 release.

It will be peer reviewed/tested/bountied/etc. around Rev 3.



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August 12, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
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Since XChat is now pretty much done, Dan has moved onto updating decentralised mixing, and is nearing the final Rev 2 release.

It will be peer reviewed/tested/bountied/etc. around Rev 3.




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August 12, 2014, 06:53:13 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

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August 12, 2014, 06:55:36 PM
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It's pretty encouraging to see so many new investors in this thread the past couple weeks.   Smiley
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August 12, 2014, 07:11:01 PM
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I've moved my miners to  http://www.altmining.farm/    :-)

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August 12, 2014, 07:19:04 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.
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August 12, 2014, 07:22:34 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.

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August 12, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
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I've moved my miners to  http://www.altmining.farm/    :-)


Very nice, I am trying to get in contact to update name and logo looks like IRC is the only way to contact for now.
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August 12, 2014, 07:30:13 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

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August 12, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

Oh yeah of course they would and that's what the op is therefore as well as the team details on the site.
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August 12, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

I agre with gadgetnerd. Its not so much about the actual POD review, as it is about exposure. You guys would be surprised how many people out there either havnt heard of XC, think its dead, or just vapor ware. This is coming from talking in different IRCs, reading comments on other threads, etc. And a lot of people who have heard of it, have no idea what it is. They think the best anon coins are cloak and dark and that everybody else is trying to catch up.

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August 12, 2014, 07:45:38 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

I agre with gadgetnerd. Its not so much about the actual POD review, as it is about exposure. You guys would be surprised how many people out there either havnt heard of XC, think its dead, or just vapor ware. This is coming from talking in different IRCs, reading comments on other threads, etc. And a lot of people who have heard of it, have no idea what it is. They think the best anon coins are cloak and dark and that everybody else is trying to catch up.

Personally I'm all for more good PR. ;-)


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August 12, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

I agre with gadgetnerd. Its not so much about the actual POD review, as it is about exposure. You guys would be surprised how many people out there either havnt heard of XC, think its dead, or just vapor ware. This is coming from talking in different IRCs, reading comments on other threads, etc. And a lot of people who have heard of it, have no idea what it is. They think the best anon coins are cloak and dark and that everybody else is trying to catch up.
Exactly, ones they read/hear about XC and take the time to read the OP, then Teka is right, they find out it's the best there is. I think of Coinssource more as some sort of tunneling-tool to our OP.

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August 12, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
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I've moved my miners to  http://www.altmining.farm/    :-)

It seems to like my 15 gridseed farm.  Many pools ban my little farm.  The vardiff on this pool runs things very efficiently for me.  I'll give it a go for 24 hrs. & then count my coins.........

ATC, are you mining scrypt ?  I just saw a few workers jump on and boost the hash rate quite a bit.

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August 12, 2014, 07:50:41 PM
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I've moved my miners to  http://www.altmining.farm/    :-)

It seems to like my 15 gridseed farm.  Many pools ban my little farm.  The vardiff on this pool runs things very efficiently for me.  I'll give it a go for 24 hrs. & then count my coins.........

ATC, are you mining scrypt ?  I just saw a few workers jump on and boost the hash rate quite a bit.

I'm mining scrypt with my gridseeds and X11 with gpu cluster...

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August 12, 2014, 08:06:28 PM
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MP looks scary right now...

Why's that?

Basically everything is in the red... never seen so many alts on a bad run at the same time.

School will be starting soon many of the kiddies are getting out while they can ....

Cryptos over all are suffering. I said it a few times elsewhere that there are too many scam coins coming out daily and I think that hurts the over all picture for alts over all.


Coulnt agree more, and I think that will definitely help XC, at some point people will just get fed up and turn to something stable/innovative/prospectful

Profits for GPU coin mining have been hard to find for most miners. After paying the electric bill, there isn't extra money, if any, for them to play in the markets anymore. Could be another reason why we are seeing this market trend. They were big participants.
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August 12, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
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I've moved my miners to  http://www.altmining.farm/    :-)

It seems to like my 15 gridseed farm.  Many pools ban my little farm.  The vardiff on this pool runs things very efficiently for me.  I'll give it a go for 24 hrs. & then count my coins.........

ATC, are you mining scrypt ?  I just saw a few workers jump on and boost the hash rate quite a bit.

I'm mining scrypt with my gridseeds and X11 with gpu cluster...
Put a Zeus asic on there but I'm having the same issue I have with many multipools and that is too many rejected shares. The diff is too low for asics and doesn't adjust up far enough. I'll let it run for a while to see if it corrects itself but I don't hold out much hope.

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August 12, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
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Hi Guys,

I don't know if this allready has been discussed, but...
Why is XCurrency not reviewed on the Coinssource trust-index? http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/
We were, after all, one of the first coins with POD.
Anyways, I requested for verification here http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index-verification/

They are more than welcome to do a review but there is absolutely no point. Obviously that's just my opinion.

I agree... other coins need it to make themselves look "legit".   We all know XC is already legit with the team we have.
That's true but don't you think that people new to crypto look there for coins that are "legit". I mean, we know that XC is, but not everybody does.
If I was new to Crypto, i might choose to invest in one of those because, at least I know the are not scams.

I agre with gadgetnerd. Its not so much about the actual POD review, as it is about exposure. You guys would be surprised how many people out there either havnt heard of XC, think its dead, or just vapor ware. This is coming from talking in different IRCs, reading comments on other threads, etc. And a lot of people who have heard of it, have no idea what it is. They think the best anon coins are cloak and dark and that everybody else is trying to catch up.

Personally I'm all for more good PR. ;-)



I say if were gonna get them to review us, wait until rev 2.5, or at least until we have the whitepaper. We want to make sure it is Good PR imo.

Just checked out the site and read the most recent review (shadowcoin) and it pretty much called it a pump and dump and gave it 2.1 out of 5.

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it seems as though the developers at SDC have a more short term objective in mind. That being said, it appears as though there is some potential for gains, at least in the short term, though we’d prefer to see the widespread adoption of anonymous crypto-technology driven more for its practical, ‘Big Brother’ opposing features rather than strictly for profit.

that ain't good PR... then again, it would be clear we are in it for the long term so maybe its worth it... hmmm.


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August 12, 2014, 08:36:32 PM
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Been following this thread for a while so I figured it's time to say hello Smiley

XC is a very interesting coin because as others has written it resembles a company more than just another cryptocoin.

Others have written their analysis of why this coin has caught their interest and savings I would also like to offer my perspective.

First my view on all cryptocoins and what should be an investors main focus. You wan't a coin with steady high demand, slow and/or fixed supply and a good volume.

Bitcoin has this by being widely accepted and a proven track-record. The demand is also driven by market speculations in future gains.
Many if not all altcoins are technologically superior to Bitcoin but few offer any real competition to Bitcoins market share size by network effect.
Bitcoins core-differentiating factor to other cryptocoins is it's market integration and thus real-world appliance. Another is Bitcoins volume as the volume is part of the service Bitcoin delivers.
You could argue that both these factors merely are compeeting factors rather than differentiating factors but from a service perspective rather than a product comparing perspective Bitcoins simply is unchallenged.

If we look at this new breed of anon cryptocoins like XC and DRK they offer a comparable product to their bigger brother Bitcoin but with a new service differentiator, Anonymity. This differentiating factor could be argued in the grander scheme is compeeting to Bitcoin mixers but let's for now refrain from comparing centralized services to decentralized.
 
This is the coin perspective but as previously stated XC is more than a coin, it resembles a company so how to analyze it?

The value of a company is the value it brings to it's customers. It is what value you add/deliver to a customer experience. This at a prize determined by supply and demand.
Customer experience can be viewed as something that is being build up. The foundation is Salience between the customer's interpretation of the company's identity. You wouldn't buy pluming from an ice-cream vendor would you?
On top of Saliance there is the customers perceived performance of the products and services of the company but also aestetics. On this level there is also imagery which is the company's projected identity. Going further up it is the feelings the company evokes and the judgement customers do in their evaluation of the company like price to perceived value based on performance, imagery and salience. Feelings can overrule judgments and the other way around.
At the top of this model you will find Resonnance, it is when people don't just buy into being someone that buys this product, this life-style. Think Harley Davidson MC and Apple Computers (for some). It is when you hit the Resonnance level that your customers demand will be the highest and thus when they will pay top dollar for your products and services.

Of what a classic company does only some 20% is value adding to the customer. 80% is strictly supporting and is only perceived as a cost, we call it non-core supporting activities. The easiest example of this to understand is Human Ressource. Of cause good Coorporate Social Responsibility and healthy/happy employees touch over feelings and imagery part of the customer experience but they are a product of good Human Ressource, not Human Ressource itself. For alt-coins supporting activities is mostly coding and testing.
Of the 20%, 5% is Core-Differentiating and 15% is Core-Competing. Because of the Nash equilibrium Core-Differentiating competitive edges, be it product or service will be copied by your competitors making it a core-competing factor within your industry rather than a differentiator. This transition happens quickly in this early stage of the new market of altcoins. It can evoke strong feelings in the community when other coins copy or promise to copy the features of the coin(s) you have invested in especially with all the scam-coins popping up daily. This is the darkside of an unregulated market but in the grander scheme it's a good thing. Competition brings innovation and competitors copying the innovation brings enhancements and flavors. The Scam coins show market trends of what features are popular. They also mature both investors and those coins that are more legit to show additional due diligence, in a sense self-regulating the market.
Anonymity has several flavors, DRK do it one way, XC does it their way. From a customer perspective it can be hard to judge which coin has the superior performance compared to the other. It is therefore mostly left to imagery and feelings, maybe even resonance if you are a hardcore fan of a specific coin. I think this is why many are anticipating Dan writhing the white-paper, they wan't some more tangible information that can help their judgment of this coin, why especially judgement is important for investors I will supply a theory for later.

But first back to XC being more a company than just another alt-coin. The Dev. team is moving towards building a decentralized anonymous platform on which their first product or service if you want will be anon-skype and anon cryptcoin. Devs has hinted that they could even be moving towards a decentralized anon social media platform. The anon-skype feature alone is great for the customer experience but first you have to ask yourself who is the customer of XC?

Everyone who downloads the client is a customer, you don't have to buy XCurrency to be an XChat customer, this is not a bad thing since the XCurrency network security to my understanding strengthens from the additional nodes even if their wallets are empty. XChat is therefore not a differentiator to XCurrency though it might be to the XCplatform. To XCurrency XChat is only a non-core supporting feature, it can affect the XCurrency Imagery but it disturbs the Salience. This is why placing an emphasis on Privacy Platform is important for the XC brand.

But we can't invest in the XCplatform we can only invest in XCurrency. Enter the previous comment about emphasis on the judgement part of the customer experience.
It turns out that experience as a customer varies when you are doing private purchases or when you are doing purchases on behalf of your employeer. B2C vs B2B.
The customer experience for a B2B purchase is again Salience as the foundation, Performance on top, but Imagery is replaced by Reputation. On the next level we again find judgments but with a heightened emphasis!, feelings has been replaced with the perception of the sales force relationships. Rather than resonance at the very top we find Partnership Solutions, basically can you see the two business start a mutual partnership with product service and future support.
I believe that when we are doing investments our applied reasoning is closer to that of the B2B buying process rather than the B2C.
What many in this thread has expressed and what I also believe is that as an investor in XCurrency we are short term judging the dev. team and the partnership of which we are entering into with our savings.

Because those of us who believe in the project and have bought coins are running our wallets to support and further decentralize the network we are intertwined with the XChat functionality. If Dan tomorrow got an offering on his code from Microsoft and rebooted the project it would still not be the same (also I highly doubt that Microsoft would be in the market for anything decentralized and anon). This in a case makes each coin a stock, but in a company with no revenue (for now)

The true profit earning value of XCurrency is still with the functionality means of transferring value + anon transfer of value. Building in a decentralized trading platform that integrates with a local Bitcoin wallet would add XCurrency as an a path of least resistance for Bitcoin mixing. Adding volume and demand for XCurrency. Here anon XChat would also serve a more direct value benefit of arranging the mixing.

We as an investing community has an incentive in ensuring that the dev. team is sufficiently invested in this coin so that they are motivated into figuring out ways to intertwine XCurrency to generate some kind of revenue from the other features of the XCPlatform or enhance XCurrency in a way that brings demand and volume.

If you want to do additional reading on the theories I applied lookup Keller's Customer based brand equity model (pyramid) and Kuhn, Alpert & Pope's work of the pyramid in a B2B context. Also Nash equilibrium.

TLDR: XChat alone doesn't bring much value to XCurrency (yet) but you can't have one without the other so it speaks to the partnership you as an investor are joining into with the dev team.

Thanks for reading. English is not my first language and I CBA to get a forum post proof-read. Smiley

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August 12, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
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Put a Zeus asic on there but I'm having the same issue I have with many multipools and that is too many rejected shares. The diff is too low for asics and doesn't adjust up far enough. I'll let it run for a while to see if it corrects itself but I don't hold out much hope.

Can you manually set a difficulty to the end of your XC Address to force a constant difficulty like you can in a normal P2pool?

Here is a snippet from reddit:

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Yesterday I manually set my difficulty using +0.001047726 appended to my wallet address. The value I used to set the manual difficulty is based on the combined kh/s value of both cards as reported by cgminer. The formula I used was hash rate in kH * 0.00000116414

So your setting would look something like the following if you had a 10Mhs script ASIC:

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-o stratum+tcp://us.altmining.farm:3333 -u XC.<Your XC Address>+0.0116414 -p x
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