[XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos

[G-Bert]

Thanks for the suggestions about Slack.

We've checked it out because Pizpie is very keen on it, and it looks very promising.

Current drawbacks: minimal Windows PC support (i.e. browser only) which makes notifications problematic, and zero Windows Phone support. Argh.

You need to ditch that windows phone for an Android, man.  

What are the drawbacks with it being browser only? I'd be using it on windows too. The forum and here are browser only...

edit: just seen you said it makes notifications problematic. how so? Is it because you would need your browser open to get notifications? if so could you not make notifications send an email to outlook or something similar?

It still sounds better than here or a normal forum to me.

[synechist]

Thanks for the suggestions about Slack.

We've checked it out because Pizpie is very keen on it, and it looks very promising.

Current drawbacks: minimal Windows PC support (i.e. browser only) which makes notifications problematic, and zero Windows Phone support. Argh.

You need to ditch that windows phone for an Android, man.  

What are the drawbacks with it being browser only? I'd be using it on windows too. The forum and here are browser only...

Being browser-only means that people don't get notified of new messages unless you're looking at the browser. It means I miss whole conversations.

Windows phone: quite easily the best platform in terms of:
- tightness of backend/cloud integration
- aesthetics (in comparison Android is a garish cacophony of clashing colours and skeuomorphism)
- smart features (Cortana, data sense, wifi sense, apps corner, live tiles, settings sync, offline maps, etc. etc. etc.)

[G-Bert]

Thanks for the suggestions about Slack.

We've checked it out because Pizpie is very keen on it, and it looks very promising.

Current drawbacks: minimal Windows PC support (i.e. browser only) which makes notifications problematic, and zero Windows Phone support. Argh.

You need to ditch that windows phone for an Android, man.  

What are the drawbacks with it being browser only? I'd be using it on windows too. The forum and here are browser only...

Being browser-only means that people don't get notified of new messages unless you're looking at the browser. It means I miss whole conversations.

Windows phone: quite easily the best platform in terms of:
- tightness of backend/cloud integration
- aesthetics (in comparison Android is a garish cacophony of clashing colours and skeuomorphism)
- smart features (Cortana, data sense, wifi sense, apps corner, live tiles, settings sync, offline maps, etc. etc. etc.)

I guess its down to personal preference. i absolutely hate the windows 8 app/tile section (sorry, can't remember the name) so can't imagine having it on my phone aswell.

I have read reviews saying that windows is catching up with android, it just seems that no one is programing for it. (especially in crypto.. is there any coin that has a windows wallet? )

but anyway, I edited my post just as you replied. check the edit. basically, cant you forward notifications to email or something?

[SouthernBTC]

Next thing you know Syn will have us communicating via AOL that phones gotta go.

I used slack on a Mac and had no issues,  I also received constant email notifications. The notifications let you know which topic the posts were made in, def was a timesaver for me.

On a serious note, you crack me up sometimes Arlyn. I'm still trying to figure out if there's an 80 year old stuck inside your body. You should start your own currency, philosophers stone or alchemy coin or folk rocks. Idk.
I think it would be interesting to sit down with you one day and have a long conversation over a nice Cuban cigar and a macallan 25.

[synechist]

I guess its down to personal preference. i absolutely hate the windows 8 app/tile section (sorry, can't remember the name) so can't imagine having it on my phone aswell.

Did you use it with a mouse and keyboard?
If so, try it on a tablet. All will be clear. :-)
My PC is a giant 18.4" tablet and Windows 8.1 is just awesome on it.

I have read reviews saying that windows is catching up with android, it just seems that no one is programing for it. (especially in crypto.. is there any coin that has a windows wallet? )

IMO it's been ahead for quite some time, except that some apps aren't on it, though most are.

but anyway, I edited my post just as you replied. check the edit. basically, cant you forward notifications to email or something?

Possibly... but that's pretty clunky. Even Skype beats that.
I guess I've construed Slack as primarily a messaging app - and for that notifications are pretty essential.
If it can legitimately support a forum-type scenario, then that's another story - and a pretty exciting one.

[policymaker]

I bet arlyn's only real life drawback is being a windows phone user, well, you know what they say, no1 is perfect... 

[synechist]

I bet arlyn's only real life drawback is being a windows phone user, well, you know what they say, no1 is perfect... 

Ha ha.
That's very nice of you.


(Now go get a Lumia 930)

[SouthernBTC]

I bet arlyn's only real life drawback is being a windows phone user, well, you know what they say, no1 is perfect... 

+1. Yeah, he comes off as a modern day Renaissance man. I bet he smells like old spice.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhqUOncefY

[infinitechaos]

If we used Slack, yes, community members could set up their own channels on their own. Mountaingoat could make his own channel for peddling his t-shirts. Reebokass could have his own channel for his daily dewm-if-not-news posts. URSAY could have his own channel for his lengthy presentation on Dan. And so on and so forth...

For those not on Android or iOS or Mac, yes, Slack allows you to receive email notifications and to cater them to your needs. You can set it such that you get an email when someone mentions you, when someone posts in a particular channel, when Dan makes a post, etc. Thus if you are limited to using Slack through a browser, email notifications should allow you to be kept in the loop.

Slack is designed specifically for team organization/communication. Thus it's like a perfect hybrid between a messaging app and a forum. Communication is in real-time, yet posts and dialogue can be revisited at a later date by those who were away. The top drawback from a forum-dweller's perspective is the 10,000 message limit. The basic/free features allow for only 10,000 messages in the chat. Older messages are archived so they can still be viewed later on, but viewing older messages requires searching the archives. In using Slack with ARCH I have found it to be no problem to dig through the archives for specific information.

In my opinion, I think the best course of action would be to use several mediums.

Slack is king for day-to-day discourse.

BTCTalk/XCTalk are nice for making posts about updates, releases, news, etc. that need to be viewable to the public and for an extended period of time.

If it were me organizing this roadshow, I'd keep this thread locked and post only updates, releases, news, etc. here. Everything else I would have happen on Slack.

[synechist]

I bet arlyn's only real life drawback is being a windows phone user, well, you know what they say, no1 is perfect... 

+1. Yeah, he comes off as a modern day Renaissance man. I bet he smells like old spice.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhqUOncefY

!!!

Best ad ever.

[Driv3n]

Great to see some communication and ideas being thrown around in here again, I think we need that environment like we had early on with so much enthusiasm and the community working together to make XC great.

I'll be posting more over on XC talk but we definitely need a thread here too even if its just for announcements, updates, etc.  A weekly update would be great.

Synechist, I can tell all the XC/Blocknet FUD has taken a toll on you, just wanna say thank you for everything you've done for XC and all the sleep loss and stress you've dealt with over the past 6 months.  A lot of us are still here and accumulating while the price is low.  We support you and the team and will help in anyway we can going forward.

[synechist]

Great to see some communication and ideas being thrown around in here again, I think we need that environment like we had early on with so much enthusiasm and the community working together to make XC great.

Yes this stuff is very energising and does all of us a lot of good.

The trick is that if by getting passionate about XC we don't thereby get super-negative when it goes through a rough patch. [My opinion: don't depend on the team too much for info and support. It doesn't improve XC's price or the community's health.]

Synechist, I can tell all the XC/Blocknet FUD has taken a toll on you, just wanna say thank you for everything you've done for XC and all the sleep loss and stress you've dealt with over the past 6 months.  A lot of us are still here and accumulating while the price is low.  We support you and the team and will help in anyway we can going forward.

Thank you Driv3n. That means a whole lot.

At heart engaging with a community is inextricable from the environment we engage in. The smear campaign brought home how toxic Bitcointalk is as an environment. How to engage a community in such an environment? I don't know. It's been very hard.

I suppose I didn't consider in advance how a FUD attack might problematize a relation between a team and a community. But it did; this is the most long-lasting damage it's done really. We do need to engage, and positively. I've just lost faith in our medium for engagement.

[infinitechaos]

Synechist, I can tell all the XC/Blocknet FUD has taken a toll on you, just wanna say thank you for everything you've done for XC and all the sleep loss and stress you've dealt with over the past 6 months.  A lot of us are still here and accumulating while the price is low.  We support you and the team and will help in anyway we can going forward.

I think the tipping point for Synechist was when I expressed my frustration towards him upon his revelation that he'd known about the FUD campaign several weeks prior, suggesting that he'd 'hung the XC community out to dry.'

Synechist, I realize that you simply having become aware of the coming FUD campaign put you in a fragile position, and it was wrong of me to place any judgment upon you with regards to how you chose to act from that fragile position. I know that no matter what choice you would have made there would have been ups and downs and many unknowns. I am sorry for suggesting that you'd hung the community out to dry.

The FUD campaign, for any striving-to-be-as-objective-as-possible investor/crypto-enthusiast like myself, at the very least made us take a closer look at some of the things that we may have taken at face value amidst the professional presentation of this project. Upon asking myself questions about this project I'd, oddly enough, never thought to ask myself before, the nature of a few of my posts such as the aforementioned reply to Synechist were not so tasteful and for that I apologize.

With that said, I'm still here following the project and willing to help in any small way I can, albeit with more caution than before.

I hope this can perhaps alleviate some of the butthurt lingering in this thread. It's. So. Heavy.

[G-Bert]

I want to reply to a few of the latest posts, but i've gotta go, but I just want to say its so refreshing to see some positivity back, whether its here, xctalk, or whatever.  


Syn, Im really glad you're back in communication with us! So spray on a bit of old spice, get over androids garish cacophony of clashing colours and skeuomorphism, and lets get this shit back on track  

laters all.  

[synechist]

Synechist, I can tell all the XC/Blocknet FUD has taken a toll on you, just wanna say thank you for everything you've done for XC and all the sleep loss and stress you've dealt with over the past 6 months.  A lot of us are still here and accumulating while the price is low.  We support you and the team and will help in anyway we can going forward.

I think the tipping point for Synechist was when I expressed my frustration towards him upon his revelation that he'd known about the FUD campaign several weeks prior, suggesting that he'd 'hung the XC community out to dry.'

Thanks infinitechaos - much appreciated, and no hard feelings. The tipping point wasn't your post fortunately. ;-)


What tipped me over was something more... structural.

As the smear campaign was unfolding I saw that its success would depend entirely on the community's collective ability to read it for what it was - some internet trash contrived (pretty cleverly) to distort a bunch of facts into a very ugly-looking picture.

Accordingly I urged the community repeatedly to just dismiss it.

Unfortunately I realised that in the past months I'd enabled a strong dependency upon - and expectation that - I'd provide information, explanations, support, and that as a result there was simply no way in which people were going to be able to just dismiss the smear campaign's claims and move on.

And this meant becoming answerable to a bunch of reprehensible trolls and getting dragged head-first through a disgusting pile of filth, for weeks.

In other words, they had us. We lost. They were able to leverage a dependency-relationship to incite an insatiable public demand that their claims be engaged with.

This is what changed my perspective. I no longer have faith in Bitcointalk, a forum that allows poop-and-scoop scammers to run rampant and destroy the value of months and months of hard work.

I also saw the urgent need to dismantle the dependence in this community for continuous information. It's a major weakness.

We simply must be more independent in our assessments of XC's health.

[SouthernBTC]

I have to be honest, I don't even like having any of this discussion here. I'm waiting for people to start jumping in and creating fud. We should seriously consider slack or moving the conversation over to xctalk.

BTW Synechist I hope you don't mind me making fun of you a bit, just lightening things up around here. I've been around the block once or twice. There is no way a person like you with your inquisitiveness about life and human nature is being dishonest, it isn't in your make up. I watched all of your youtube performances, you are a passionate and sensitive person...that can be seen in your writings, your performances, and how you handled the fud.

I applaud you for still being here. None of us know if any of these experiments are going to be succesful, my faith in xc has always been based on the enthusiasm that you, Dan, and Teka have brought to this project. I came home from my honeymoon and doubled my stash of xc. Maybe one day, all of the strong hands will meet in Amsterdam or Bitcoin City or whatever they're calling it now and we'll be discussing these formative years of xc, xcurrency, blocknet, and xchat.

[holyprofit]

I think others said it already but it's great to see our usual positivity returning to this thread again especially from you Arlyn. Thanks also for updating us on the way this has affected you because I think many of us worried about how this might affect your feelings towards the whole project. I think there were plenty of us that were dismissing the fud but in the end it counter productive to engage with it. That's actually why I haven't posted much lately. This was obviously something of a trial but now it's over I'm really looking forward to what's to come!

[synechist]

[replying on xctalk...]

http://xctalk.com/index.php?/topic/236-intro/page-2#entry1685

[battbot]

I have to be honest, I don't even like having any of this discussion here. I'm waiting for people to start jumping in and creating fud. We should seriously consider slack or moving the conversation over to xctalk.

BTW Synechist I hope you don't mind me making fun of you a bit, just lightening things up around here. I've been around the block once or twice. There is no way a person like you with your inquisitiveness about life and human nature is being dishonest, it isn't in your make up. I watched all of your youtube performances, you are a passionate and sensitive person...that can be seen in your writings, your performances, and how you handled the fud.

I applaud you for still being here. None of us know if any of these experiments are going to be succesful, my faith in xc has always been based on the enthusiasm that you, Dan, and Teka have brought to this project. I came home from my honeymoon and doubled my stash of xc. Maybe one day, all of the strong hands will meet in Amsterdam or Bitcoin City or whatever they're calling it now and we'll be discussing these formative years of xc, xcurrency, blocknet, and xchat.

+1, good sir. 

[Zarmung]

guys you're kissing too much each other in the ass, it's already red - but it doesn't help, the price is still under the flow.