[ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA

[cryptodaknight]

I think you do a disservice by characterizing legitimate, constructive criticism as FUD. Read carefully. He is saying nothing more than the language the market is speaking the last 24 hours.

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

This is not FUD, this is trying to get back on track to where this coin belongs, taking over darkcoin, XC and other anon coin market value.

If anyone things this is not possible, then they haven't been paying attention to this coin. But to get from point A to point B we need to let people know about cloakcoin.

Without knowledge other groups will just not pay attention, why would they, there are hundreds of coins to read threads on, who has the time? Not many people will even those in the know have time to sift through all the coins to find this coin.

So if developers think a good product sells itself in cryptos applies here, they are delusional. I've seen this happen so many times its not funny, everyone saying relax, things will be fine. Well market says they are not fine, and reason being is cloak is just run of the mill anon coin to them, so why invest long.

Truth hurts.

Also, i suggested in IRC that there date of cloakcoin 2.0 was horrible gosh aweful timing. Why? July 4th is one of the biggest if not the biggest holiday weekend in USA. We are not on computers, we are at parties, going to fireworks, traveling, and BBQ's, it's a big deal and starts on July 4th. It's usually extended holiday til sunday, so thursdays news will fall on deaf ears in USA.

Thats huge % of people in crypto that will not hear about cloakcoin.

See, this was not planned right, and now unless they plan on releasing july 3rd early, it might work, but either that or go back on word and release following monday. But to release this from july 4th to july 6th would be marketing bludder.

[cryptodaknight]

Please be patient with us in terms of marketing.

There will be a big push when PoSA is out and during development of CloakMarket.

Excellent, this is what we need to hear, and hopefully on twitter. Thank you.

[J9901]

Working feature first, marketing second. Pretty simple god damn equation followed by every successful coin.

seriously. true color of some people here are showing. maybe theyre hurt that they bought in high and now its dropped to 40k. If theyre just patient, they'll get a 200%-300% ROI easily in the near future.

So sick of these "overnight millionaire" dreams.

As for the marketing, in a previous post ive come to the conclusion that this coin is dropping due to lack of marketing, but im not bombarding the devs to pull out of development to market and hype up and unfinished product. I specifically mentioned that for those who dont understand why the price was dropping.

I cannot stress this enough; HODLers will reap maximum benefits when this takes off in the near future.

If you're so impatient, sell @ a loss now and extremely regret within a few weeks.

[chickenfried12]

In my opinion, the developers are doing a fine job communicating what is going on with Cloak. You have to realize how new this currency is. I think putting out White Papers, Giving release dates, Updating progress and other daily news lessens the market shock from the positive improvements.     Imagine if Cloak released the PoSA update with just some general info about an update. The market would be shocked and act accordingly. It sets a precedence that you better stay in the currency or else you could miss a huge uptick. Now on the release you Market heavy and get the news out, The market loves positive surprises.
   Everybody here just sits back because they know they have sometime to buy. They will buy back  a couple days before the release.They will sale when it is released and the prices spike up. I am not saying keep us in the dark about delays or such. I also understand that this is community driven and people want to know what is going on but the market loves surprises.. Just my 2 coins worth..

[cryptodaknight]

Working feature first, marketing second. Pretty simple god damn equation followed by every successful coin.

Precisely.  Otherwise you don't get full effect.

This is fine with me and think most now this is being discussed, if there is a plan in place then i'm perfectly fine with letting prices drop for now, since marketing new features will be golden, just we got impression there was no plan for this.

We just as investors with holding a lot need reassurance and NOT being kicked from IRC when we bring up questions. Thank you.

[J9901]

I just sold all cloak...
Because i fell that the team cloak is just 6 dev and do only dev, the coin will die slowly, whatever the dev do if people dont care or event dont know about what are u doing.

thanks for the cheap CLOAK. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.  

...but of course you're welcome to buy back in when the price has exploded.  

[TheDagger]

I think you do a disservice by characterizing legitimate, constructive criticism as FUD. Read carefully. He is saying nothing more than the language the market is speaking the last 24 hours.

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

This is not FUD, this is trying to get back on track to where this coin belongs, taking over darkcoin, XC and other anon coin market value.

If anyone things this is not possible, then they haven't been paying attention to this coin. But to get from point A to point B we need to let people know about cloakcoin.

Without knowledge other groups will just not pay attention, why would they, there are hundreds of coins to read threads on, who has the time? Not many people will even those in the know have time to sift through all the coins to find this coin.

So if developers think a good product sells itself in cryptos applies here, they are delusional. I've seen this happen so many times its not funny, everyone saying relax, things will be fine. Well market says they are not fine, and reason being is cloak is just run of the mill anon coin to them, so why invest long.

Truth hurts.

Also, i suggested in IRC that there date of cloakcoin 2.0 was horrible gosh aweful timing. Why? July 4th is one of the biggest if not the biggest holiday weekend in USA. We are not on computers, we are at parties, going to fireworks, traveling, and BBQ's, it's a big deal and starts on July 4th. It's usually extended holiday til sunday, so thursdays news will fall on deaf ears in USA.

Thats huge % of people in crypto that will not hear about cloakcoin.

See, this was not planned right, and now unless they plan on releasing july 3rd early, it might work, but either that or go back on word and release following monday. But to release this from july 4th to july 6th would be marketing bludder.

Will post the transcript soon of why you were kicked from IRC.

[threecats]

Sad to see how the definition of "community" excludes those who are offering constructive criticism.

[mimini0147]

I think you do a disservice by characterizing legitimate, constructive criticism as FUD. Read carefully. He is saying nothing more than the language the market is speaking the last 24 hours.

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

This is not FUD, this is trying to get back on track to where this coin belongs, taking over darkcoin, XC and other anon coin market value.

If anyone things this is not possible, then they haven't been paying attention to this coin. But to get from point A to point B we need to let people know about cloakcoin.

Without knowledge other groups will just not pay attention, why would they, there are hundreds of coins to read threads on, who has the time? Not many people will even those in the know have time to sift through all the coins to find this coin.

So if developers think a good product sells itself in cryptos applies here, they are delusional. I've seen this happen so many times its not funny, everyone saying relax, things will be fine. Well market says they are not fine, and reason being is cloak is just run of the mill anon coin to them, so why invest long.

Truth hurts.

Also, i suggested in IRC that there date of cloakcoin 2.0 was horrible gosh aweful timing. Why? July 4th is one of the biggest if not the biggest holiday weekend in USA. We are not on computers, we are at parties, going to fireworks, traveling, and BBQ's, it's a big deal and starts on July 4th. It's usually extended holiday til sunday, so thursdays news will fall on deaf ears in USA.

Thats huge % of people in crypto that will not hear about cloakcoin.

See, this was not planned right, and now unless they plan on releasing july 3rd early, it might work, but either that or go back on word and release following monday. But to release this from july 4th to july 6th would be marketing bludder.

+10000000 !!!!, there is hundred of altcoin, and most of coin WILL die slowly, even with innovation or hard worker, i saw in many coin's thread like 'this is not P&D coin', 'Be patient', 'that will pump if....', 'Dev are working hard...', 'Coin has just X week old...', 'weak hand....., whale.....'  , just like to masturbate.... and ofcourse most of these coin are dead now because no more ppl care anymore, new altcoin apear ever day.
And that's why i sold all my cloakcoin....

[mimini0147]

I just sold all cloak...
Because i fell that the team cloak is just 6 dev and do only dev, the coin will die slowly, whatever the dev do if people dont care or event dont know about what are u doing.

thanks for the cheap CLOAK. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.  

...but of course you're welcome to buy back in when the price has exploded.  

Your welcome

[collapse157]

Cloakcoin devs are different though they actually release there stuff and it works. The only issue I had so far was I just had to upgrade to 1.9.5 and resync, but had to reopen wallet like 20x to finally get full sync. I know this is the issues that the DEVS HAVE SAID, they don't leave us in the dark even though there coin is anon . I know they are working on fixes and once wallet is bug free and poSa is full, coin will explode. The other thing that keeps me on cloak is they had a WORKING anon, these guys can code they know what they are doing, this isn't just another "we hope to do this" coin. They are gonna DO IT.

[threecats]

FUD

I LOST MONEY BECAUSE OF POOR TRADING SKILLS SO I BLAME ALL COINS INSTEAD OF MYSELF  

ok.

Wow, your immaturity is really on display.

[heartastack]

Lol, this was predicted only yesterday. Weak hands will make a shit-tonne of noise before selling cheap. Liftoff will occur with only the most stable of holders.

The youtube demos was the best in-development marketing/advertising I have seen. Only scam coins pump on promises - think whitecoin, crypt, silk coin.. Endless list. VRC has a working shitty feature. But at least it works.

[TheDagger]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

[heartastack]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

God damn, we don't want people like that around here.

[cryptodaknight]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

[Vinculin]

I would love to place my 18 btc buy wall back again if the price drops to 30k

[darkproton]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

[mrmanager]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Being a passive reader of this thread and having no reference to IRC,(I haven't visited the channel yet), what has become apparent to me is the mounting frustration of the community. This frustration, I believe, is born of the price movement of cloak and not in the general approach taken by the devs. To me, 2 main groups have emerged, those who want to wait and see and those who are pushing for more marketing from the devs. Both camps are feeling the heat of the price and stagnation of trading. First, to both groups, this coin is only 3 weeks old and is roughly double from where it started. I know it's a different story depending on where you may have bought, ie closer to 9 or 7. To everyone, the economics of the coin are great at this price. 5 million coins. It only takes time. Patience is needed. The devs have done a great job of keeping people in the loop as to what is going on with developments. Can't really ask for more. Whether cloaksend gets released on the 4th or some other holiday means little as I believe people will buy into the release, ie, the price should rise as we get closer to implementation. Marketing is something we all can do and not restricted to jusst the devs. For those concerned with getting the word out, we should, as a community, discuss and plan how to market cloak. Remember though, a working product is needed and cloak is not there yet.

+1 I don't understand the point of heavy marketing when the major selling point of the coin hasn't been implemented yet. I also don't think it matters when 2.0 is released.

[TheDagger]

Yes, and they kicked me from IRC cause they didn't like what i was saying. Gives me little hope when few people were all saying same things and get quited in IRC.

You were kicked out of the IRC by CrazyLoaf because you were saying the same thing over and over (still are) and the final straw came when you said the following:


< cryptodaknight>.....let me tell my investment group that holds about 200k cloak collectively, we can all dump on you at once then

Well that is truth and it was cause crazyloaf and others were being very rude, go look and see, then started a fight. I was not saying same thing over and overwith, others also agreed with me, and your distorting the truth there. Many were saying same thing, where is the marketing. This half truth, even crazyloaf said he did not read all that happened before he came in. So he was biased from get go by a few fanboys which will say rararara nomatter what.

This is pointless, we all are on same team trying to get coin value up, but some are doing same thing i've seen in so many coins that just wait attitude, this coin is new, blah blah blah. Most those coins died or are much lower.

Point being dagger, if you would have explained to people, when prices were tanking that marketing is coming, I am willing to be your selloff would not have happened.

As for those saying we don't want a pump and dump, agreed, but it's naive thinking. PnD will happen to any coin that is successful. You won't be able to avoid it, to some degree it will happen. But most PnD of good coins remain higher than before the PnD.

If this coin has more to offer than PnD people will eventually hold and buy more after dust settles and everyone will know about cloak cause it got attention. Anyways, I guess bringing up obvious things to you is where i get attacked, so be it, but many have money on line and like it or not want to know what next moves are with marketing once new PoSA are out, not on 4th of July weekend when people are not paying attention.

Please stop telling us how to do our jobs when we can see that your logic is flawed.

We have an unfinished product, therefore marketing is not happening at this stage.

Other than dev videos on youtube, twitter posts and this forum no we are not marketing.

Think about the following and realise what you are saying.

CLOAK is barely 3 weeks old: in that time we built an anon system, the first of it's kind... using exchanges then deaddrop wallets and listening servers... it is not using CoinJoin which may be about to be exposed for complete ineffectiveness... our anon system is working right now in CloakSend 1.1 however due to the nature of it... it is centralized and not entirely trustless.

So, that being a concern we are constantly listening to the market and we release a preliminary whitepaper for CloakSend 2.0 featuring a truly p2p decentralized anon system working on an entirely trustless way.

We heard that people wanted TOR in their wallet... So we added it in the last update.

Now to say we need to up our marketing efforts whilst we are EXTREMLY busy with getting this coin into shape, when we are this young and have already done so much is at times quite insulting. Having to write posts like this is also counter productive.

Think about what you are saying and bare in mind the following.

Did darkcoin become successful in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 3 months.

Did Vericoin blow up in 3 weeks?

No, it took about 7 to get going, they were plagued with bugs when they went foll PoS.

Did monero take off in 3 weeks?

No, it took a couple of months at least.

Did Bytecoin take of straight away?

No.

Infact, name a coin that got massive success in 3 weeks.

You seem to claim that a successful coin is made from "marketing".

What happened when Doge pulled the biggest altcoin marketing feat to date: sponsoring a nascar (racecar)... Did that actually help and raise the value of that coin?

Does the fact that Wankcoin (yes that's what it's called) is on Pornhub, mean it instantly has acquired massive value? By your logic it would.

Please demonstrate some effective marketing campaigns, the budget and the result rather than just telling us to drop some dev work and concentrate on marketing.