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Author Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread  (Read 709809 times)
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September 01, 2014, 05:21:48 PM
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you could be right.  however an OC'd ant is drawing about 400 watts to have a 500w PSU at 80% of it's limit is no bueno.  by crobar, i meant to push it beyond its limits or to failure.  my 1300 PSU turned out to be faulty (blown cap).  the 600 still works well, just not well with my ant.   that has been my experience...YMMV.  

It's not a matter of whether I'm right or wrong.  I was merely stating facts together with sound numbers to back it up.

An 80% load is still acceptable and seems to be the consensus threshold of maximum load especially for a 24/7 operation.  However, I'm curious about how you equated 400WAC draw at the wall to represent an 80% load on a 500WDC PSU with an efficiency of 85%.  Perhaps, you're confusing AC wattage (at the wall) with DC wattage of the PSU and vice versa and not figuring in the efficiency factor on top of that.



maybe i am wrong, i was under the impression that if you hook up a kill-a-watt meter to your device and if it indicates that the draw is 400w and if you have it hooked up to a 500w rated psu, does that not equate to a 80% load ?   on a different note, one of my chains in the UI is showing my chips have gone bad.  no bueno.  i am only hashing at a little over 300gh/s.  arrgh  =(

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September 01, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
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maybe i am wrong, i was under the impression that if you hook up a kill-a-watt meter to your device and if it indicates that the draw is 400w and if you have it hooked up to a 500w rated psu, does that not equate to a 80% load ? 

No. PSUs are rated on "output", and killawatt measures "input". Converting between the 2 is about 80%-90% efficient. Therefore, if killawatt says 400w, then the output is between 320 and 360 watts, which is between 64% and 72% load.

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September 01, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
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if you hook up a kill-a-watt meter to your device and if it indicates that the draw is 400w and if you have it hooked up to a 500w rated psu, does that not equate to a 80% load ?

No.  80% load is 400W drawn from the DC side.  At 85% efficiency, the PSU will draw 470W from the wall.  Assuming linear efficiency, which is not accurate, therefore these numbers are just estimates any way.  But if the PSU has a nice graph, you can get a good idea of the efficiency for the particular load in question.
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September 01, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
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Anybody gotten their B8 tracking number?   Roll Eyes
No. THey aren't set to ship till September 20th or before.
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September 01, 2014, 06:28:23 PM
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An advertised 500w PSU does not mean 500w on the 12 volt rail, that 500 watts includes potential output on the 5 volt, -5 volt standby, -12 volt standby as well. Albeit the majority is available to the 12 volt side, you still have too look at the actual 12 volt rating for your PSU and if you use a measuring instrument the device will usually draw a little to operate and those specs should be available from the manufacturer.
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September 01, 2014, 07:34:01 PM
Last edit: September 03, 2014, 09:42:46 AM by robyone
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S1-1 - 218 - 5hr - 437gh - 1HR Restarts
S1-2 - 250Mhz - 5hr - 466gh - 1/2hr restarts.

This is an increase of over 40GH on both miners for me!
I'm going to clock-up S1-1 and see if I see increases at 1/2hr intervals.

I encourage those experiencing degrading performance over time to do something similar. You lose less than 10 seconds of mining per restart.

I have same problem with one of my antminers, that randomly it will start under performing, like for example when I first turn it on it will hash fine for random amount of hours averaging 440 GH/s, but then will go to 400-410 GH/s AVG for days unless I will reboot it, sometimes needs couple of reboots.

you suggested restarting every hour or more often, but I wrote a script that should only restart when it is really required.

This is for advanced users only that know how to use vim or other ways of editing text file in Unix shell. And only do this with the unit that has problems with performance, do not do this with good units!

first create a file: /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor
for example by issuing following command:
vim /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor

Code:
#!/bin/sh
# This file is for cron job

# This if for make sure the start cgminer when there is network problem

nowtime=$(date +%s)
avglog=$(date +%s -r /usr/bin/avg.log)
age=$(( nowtime - avglog ))

if [ "$age" -lt 600 ]; then
exit 0;
else
set -x
date

avg=`/usr/bin/cgminer-api -o summary | sed -n "s/.*GHS av=\([^']*\)...,F.*/\1/p"`
if [ "$avg" -lt 439 ]; then
    killall -s 9 cgminer
    sleep 1
    /etc/init.d/cgminer restart
    echo restarted at $(date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S') because avg hashrate: $avg >> /usr/bin/avg.log
    exit 0;
fi
fi

change file permission by:
chmod 700 /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor

then back up original monitor script:
cp /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor_BACKUP

and modify (or replace) it so it looks like this:

Code:
nowtime=$(date +%s)
avglog=$(date +%s -r /usr/bin/avg.log)
age=$(( nowtime - avglog ))

if [ "$age" -lt 600 ]; then
exit 0;
else
set -x
date
C=`pidof cgminer | wc -w`
if [ "$C" != "1" ]; then
    echo "Case C"
    killall -s 9 cgminer
    sleep 1
    /etc/init.d/cgminer restart
    echo restarted at $(date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S') no process running  >> /usr/bin/avg.log
    exit 0;
fi

A=`cat /tmp/cm.log`
B=`cgminer-api devs | grep "^   \[Last Valid Work\]"`
echo "$B" > /tmp/cm.log
if [ "$B" != "" -a "$A" == "$B" ]; then
    echo "Case B"
    killall -s 9 cgminer
    sleep 1
    /etc/init.d/cgminer restart
    echo restarted at $(date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S') because no valid work being done >> /usr/bin/avg.log
    exit 0;
fi

D=`cgminer-api stats | grep "^   \[miner_count\]"`
if [ "$D" == "" ]; then
        echo "Case D"
        killall -s 9 cgminer
        sleep 1
        /etc/init.d/cgminer restart
        echo restarted at $(date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S') because of miner count >> /usr/bin/avg.log
        exit 0;
fi
fi

your crontab should look like this:

Code:
root@antMiner:/usr/bin# crontab -l
*/3 *  *   *   *     /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor
59 19 * * 0 reboot
0,30 * * * * /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor

for safety create the log file, that is mentioned in the scripts by command:
echo START >> /usr/bin/avg.log


what will happen now:
1) as usual there will be /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor executed every 3 minutes, but will not do anything if something has already been done during last 10 minutes (600 seconds) - like a restart.
2) /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor will run every 30 minutes, its purpose is to check if AVG hashrate of the miner is below 439 GH/s, if it is, then it will restart cgminer (only if it has not been done within last 10 minutes)
3) reboot antminer every sunday at 19:59... just to reboot once in a while.

UNINSTALLING:
Code:
rm /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor
mv /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor_BACKUP /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor
rm /usr/bin/cgminer-avg-monitor
rm /usr/bin/avg.log
edit crontab to its original version:
Code:
*/3 *  *   *   *     /usr/bin/cgminer-monitor

Hope someone finds this useful.

EDIT: I did this for all (2) of my units and am forgetting they exist even if internet goes offline, or losing electricity, the units will go back and will make sure they hash at 439+ GH/s even if couple of restarts are required. I found out that even the good unit will start under performing if internet goes down for a while (I know what I am talking about, I am taking into consideration only pool side 3 hour AVG after the internet is back), I know that after internet goes down in miner status it will show less AVG until rebooted and it does not show actual AVG, so I am looking at poolside - I want it to be ~880+-5% GH/s poolside and it was not hapenning before this script, I had to manually restart after downtime.
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September 01, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !
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September 01, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !

at least you are losing 0.58 unlike me, I ordered batch 6 and payed 1.32 BTC, I only made 0.30 BTC back (not counting electricity) Cheesy

so I am down 1 BTC + electricity.
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September 01, 2014, 07:53:15 PM
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !

at least you are losing 0.58 unlike me, I ordered batch 6 and payed 1.32 BTC, I only made 0.30 BTC back (not counting electricity) Cheesy

so I am down 1 BTC + electricity.

Don't forget that you own the hardware and there are lots of people on eBay that will pay $400+ for your miner.
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September 01, 2014, 08:10:57 PM
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !

at least you are losing 0.58 unlike me, I ordered batch 6 and payed 1.32 BTC, I only made 0.30 BTC back (not counting electricity) Cheesy

so I am down 1 BTC + electricity.

Don't forget that you own the hardware and there are lots of people on eBay that will pay $400+ for your miner.

After fees and shipping youd be luck to get >$400 once people realize how bad of a deal Batch 8 is the market will bve flooded and prices will be driven down.  Now is the time to sell the S3s!
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !

at least you are losing 0.58 unlike me, I ordered batch 6 and payed 1.32 BTC, I only made 0.30 BTC back (not counting electricity) Cheesy

so I am down 1 BTC + electricity.

Don't forget that you own the hardware and there are lots of people on eBay that will pay $400+ for your miner.

After fees and shipping youd be luck to get >$400 once people realize how bad of a deal Batch 8 is the market will bve flooded and prices will be driven down.  Now is the time to sell the S3s!

True, that's why I sold both of my B1 S3's already.
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September 01, 2014, 08:20:29 PM
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S1-1 - 218 - 5hr - 437gh - 1HR Restarts
S1-2 - 250Mhz - 5hr - 466gh - 1/2hr restarts.

This is an increase of over 40GH on both miners for me!
I'm going to clock-up S1-1 and see if I see increases at 1/2hr intervals.

I encourage those experiencing degrading performance over time to do something similar. You lose less than 10 seconds of mining per restart.

I have same problem with one of my antminers, that randomly it will start under performing, like for example when I first turn it on it will hash fine for random amount of hours averaging 440 GH/s, but then will go to 400-410 GH/s AVG for days unless I will reboot it, sometimes needs couple of reboots.

M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

I mine at Kano's Pool because it pays the best and is completely transparent!  Come join me!
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September 01, 2014, 08:28:03 PM
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M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

If I would have known about this application couple of days ago then I would probably not have written the script.

But as I have written it, then I will keep running it, advantage of the script is that - it will not require a computer to be on 24/7 for the monitoring to work (because the script runs on miner itself) as opposed to the application.

Thank you for the comment, I wish I had known this already Cheesy
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M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

If I would have known about this application couple of days ago then I would probably not have written the script.

But as I have written it, then I will keep running it, advantage of the script is that - it will not require a computer to be on 24/7 for the monitoring to work (because the script runs on miner itself) as opposed to the application.

Thank you for the comment, I wish I had known this already Cheesy

Sorry, I don't monitor this thread normally.  Too many messages. Smiley

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September 01, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
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any news about starting to ship batch 8 ?
I paid 0.58 BTC x2 , for something that will never ROI
At least they should send it faster !

at least you are losing 0.58 unlike me, I ordered batch 6 and payed 1.32 BTC, I only made 0.30 BTC back (not counting electricity) Cheesy

so I am down 1 BTC + electricity.

Don't forget that you own the hardware and there are lots of people on eBay that will pay $400+ for your miner.

After fees and shipping youd be luck to get >$400 once people realize how bad of a deal Batch 8 is the market will bve flooded and prices will be driven down.  Now is the time to sell the S3s!

True, that's why I sold both of my B1 S3's already.

Did you sell them through eBay or through here? I want to sell all my gear as well, but haven't done anything on eBay for 9 years Smiley
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M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

If I would have known about this application couple of days ago then I would probably not have written the script.

But as I have written it, then I will keep running it, advantage of the script is that - it will not require a computer to be on 24/7 for the monitoring to work (because the script runs on miner itself) as opposed to the application.

Thank you for the comment, I wish I had known this already Cheesy

Your effort is still valuable.
Its a pain to have the PC running alongside the miners just to restart them.
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What are recommended PSUs for Antminer S3 to buy - in Europe/US?

I don't know much about PSUs, so a link to a PSU 101 article (at least as it relates to bitcoin mining) would be welcome as well.

I read:
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/24intr/best_corsair_psu_for_my_antminer_s1/ch7mntp

"Efficiency ratings describe the amount of electricity that the PSU loses as heat while powering the unit. Because miners are always on and consume a lot of power, more efficient units generally recover their higher purchase cost in less than a year. In nearly 100% of cases you'll save money by buying a platinum (or gold) rated PSU."
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M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

If I would have known about this application couple of days ago then I would probably not have written the script.

But as I have written it, then I will keep running it, advantage of the script is that - it will not require a computer to be on 24/7 for the monitoring to work (because the script runs on miner itself) as opposed to the application.

Thank you for the comment, I wish I had known this already Cheesy

Your effort is still valuable.
Its a pain to have the PC running alongside the miners just to restart them.
  the pc can be in other areas of the home.

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M's Ant Monitor can reboot Ants when they drop below a certain hashrate as well.  See my sig.

M

If I would have known about this application couple of days ago then I would probably not have written the script.

But as I have written it, then I will keep running it, advantage of the script is that - it will not require a computer to be on 24/7 for the monitoring to work (because the script runs on miner itself) as opposed to the application.

Thank you for the comment, I wish I had known this already Cheesy

Your effort is still valuable.
Its a pain to have the PC running alongside the miners just to restart them.
 the pc can be in other areas of the home.
what are the benefits?

if the PC in other areas of the miners, it'll hard to monitor the miners when problems occured
Teamviewer? not a good option..

i think, the best way is, make the script (maybe it'll be the add ons to be added inside the software section of the controller board)
it'll be truly standalone / All-in-One  Cheesy
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September 02, 2014, 12:30:01 AM
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What are the approximate dimensions (L x W x H) of a single packaged S3 and it's approx weight in lbs ?

Ty.

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