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[FairlaySupport]

We replaced md5   and only do one round of hashing from now on. So for all future markets it will take only a few seconds if you want to verify it manually with the given online tools.

@darkstar  it was md5,  sha1, md5, sha1,.... before   while md5 was resulting in the format DF-34-....

@tryx3  the random number was 0.467095633720558 and therefor you lost.

[trytrytryx3]

We replaced md5   and only do one round of hashing from now on. So for all future markets it will take only a few seconds if you want to verify it manually with the given online tools.

@darkstar  it was md5,  sha1, md5, sha1,.... before   while md5 was resulting in the format DF-34-....

@tryx3  the random number was 0.467095633720558 and therefor you lost.

Dice Game E18D9F
You bet on the value of a random number between 0 and 1. The market is settled immediately after one bet is matched. The hash value is E18D9FC7B98735D6053636ACC4A318BB21B3F042The random number generator is probably fair and run by Fairlay. After settlement you may ask in the forum for the proof.


good
Dice Game E18D9F - Random Number > 0.1?

this wager was for a number 0.1 or larger. so please pay the money, u show above its 0.46709  perfect.

[FairlaySupport]

@tryx3
 the secret string for the market you requested is

0.030592084410876SlCBeqfGWsbfmEfRZKUhgkmf%iedLJfDVifSBpfDXENBWfIdMMkRWkPQSDi%rJDpfdiKfZIMcXhoAfadLHDDWK$XnkoZfaXSndSo

this is an old market, so the old hashing algorithm applies.

[trytrytryx3]

@tryx3
 the secret string for the market you requested is

0.030592084410876SlCBeqfGWsbfmEfRZKUhgkmf%iedLJfDVifSBpfDXENBWfIdMMkRWkPQSDi%rJDpfdiKfZIMcXhoAfadLHDDWK$XnkoZfaXSndSo

this is an old market, so the old hashing algorithm applies.

 

Fairplay why are you not providing random games for your players, that will kill your sportsbook beta book

let me get this straight. this is a fair and honest game right?  To play around and try your site I do these  four and only these four fun numbers wagers...

not for major bitcoins or anything but these have been made

Dice Game EB7360 - Random Numb...   -100.3   Yes   graded a loss   OK 1 in 2  50/50
Dice Game 9CF736 - Random Numb...   -100.3   Yes  graded a loss   OK  1 in 2  now overall 1 in 4  25/75
Dice Game B51C31 - Random Numb...   -100.3   Yes  graded a loss  OK??   1 in 2  now a random  1 in 8??  looks fishy   12.5%
Dice Game E18D9F - Random Numb...   -909.1   Yes  graded a loss    will win this 9 out of 10 , and it loses?  so overall 1 in 80?  

1 in 80???

YEA right,  is this fair and working perfectly?  I see you changed how to get a fair number just today from your old system.  did you think possible this to be unfair and was possible no accurate?    

what do I need to do for a full refund on these 4 small wagers.  

1 out of 80 doing only these 4, all graded a loss, no number actually given on the web site,  not showing step by step how each if these ar random, now changing your grading method?  this is  not correct.

[FairlaySupport]

It would be presumptuous if we settled all disputes ourselves. It's therefore our policy to agree to independent, trustworthy arbitrators in case of any dispute between us and our customers.    @tryx3  All our dice games are provably fair.  If you find a trustworthy party (we agree on) that is willing to "take your case" and which comes to the conclusion that our dice game is indeed "rigged" we will not only pay all arbitration costs but an additional 10 BTC to you. 

[trytrytryx3]

It would be presumptuous if we settled all disputes ourselves. It's therefore our policy to agree to independent, trustworthy arbitrators in case of any dispute between us and our customers.    @tryx3  All our dice games are provably fair.  If you find a trustworthy party (we agree on) that is willing to "take your case" and which comes to the conclusion that our dice game is indeed "rigged" we will not only pay all arbitration costs but an additional 10 BTC to you. 

seriously great answer!   good to know!
 means youre group setting up good systems and  serious in what you're doing, keep working on the horse book too.  cant usually lock in a wager you want, and customers cant lay or set their own offers to lower vig like btfair or matchbook.  thats a serious flaw right now  (I know you dont think you can find late scratch times?  those are easy to find at betfair if you need them the 1 in 100 there is a late scratch).

for football its not easy to use your set up.  or for hoops.  too many choices on each game,
its hard to find the exact game also, you seriously need to use official rotation order for football and hoops, and each game separately listed  once!  just list the main line, then all games will fit in one page maybe two , the 13 pages of multiple lines for each game is hard to navigate and slow to find a team you desire (no search function).  have each game open up to all the options of alternative lines if that game is clicked!  (just an idea to help your volume). 

[MegaKill]

It would be presumptuous if we settled all disputes ourselves. It's therefore our policy to agree to independent, trustworthy arbitrators in case of any dispute between us and our customers.    @tryx3  All our dice games are provably fair.  If you find a trustworthy party (we agree on) that is willing to "take your case" and which comes to the conclusion that our dice game is indeed "rigged" we will not only pay all arbitration costs but an additional 10 BTC to you. 

seriously great answer!   good to know!
 means youre group setting up good systems and  serious in what you're doing, keep working on the horse book too.  cant usually lock in a wager you want, and customers cant lay or set their own offers to lower vig like btfair or matchbook.  thats a serious flaw right now  (I know you dont think you can find late scratch times?  those are easy to find at betfair if you need them the 1 in 100 there is a late scratch).

for football its not easy to use your set up.  or for hoops.  too many choices on each game,
its hard to find the exact game also, you seriously need to use official rotation order for football and hoops, and each game separately listed  once!  just list the main line, then all games will fit in one page maybe two , the 13 pages of multiple lines for each game is hard to navigate and slow to find a team you desire (no search function).  have each game open up to all the options of alternative lines if that game is clicked!  (just an idea to help your volume). 

Thats a good suggestion. Making the odds auto update itself will be great too!

[FairlaySupport]

@trytx3  thank you for your suggestion and very valuable input. If it is correct that late withdrawals are quite rare, we can put
up an additional market one hour before the horse race with simpler rules.
We would not consider withdrawals or reduction factors and therefor could allow everyone to create offers on these markets.

In the unlikely case of a late withdrawal we are still unsure if we should void the market or grade it (without reduction factor).

Let us get back to you about your other suggestions in a few weeks. We are already planning some improvements about it. 


@megakill not quite sure, what you mean?

[MegaKill]

@megakill not quite sure, what you mean?

Auto update the odds in real time, like betfair! So that your customers don't have to refresh the website every second when bet in-play!

[erol34]

It would be presumptuous if we settled all disputes ourselves. It's therefore our policy to agree to independent, trustworthy arbitrators in case of any dispute between us and our customers.    @tryx3  All our dice games are provably fair.  If you find a trustworthy party (we agree on) that is willing to "take your case" and which comes to the conclusion that our dice game is indeed "rigged" we will not only pay all arbitration costs but an additional 10 BTC to you. 

seriously great answer!   good to know!
 means youre group setting up good systems and  serious in what you're doing, keep working on the horse book too.  cant usually lock in a wager you want, and customers cant lay or set their own offers to lower vig like btfair or matchbook.  thats a serious flaw right now  (I know you dont think you can find late scratch times?  those are easy to find at betfair if you need them the 1 in 100 there is a late scratch).

for football its not easy to use your set up.  or for hoops.  too many choices on each game,
its hard to find the exact game also, you seriously need to use official rotation order for football and hoops, and each game separately listed  once!  just list the main line, then all games will fit in one page maybe two , the 13 pages of multiple lines for each game is hard to navigate and slow to find a team you desire (no search function).  have each game open up to all the options of alternative lines if that game is clicked!  (just an idea to help your volume). 

Thats a good suggestion. Making the odds auto update itself will be great too!

Two great suggestions that I am frankly surprised Fairlay has not implemented already.  To clarify what others have said:

1) Don't display alternate lines for every game.  For each game, Pinnacle has its main line, and then 5 or 6 alt lines.  It becomes really difficult to find games on Fairlay (partly bc your search doesn't work very well -- i.e., you cannot search for "bowling green"; you have to search for single words only).   E.g., don't show all four lines for the Pelicans, just show the main line (+7.5), and have a way for users to expand if they want to see an alt line: https://gyazo.com/77717aab4264f87b05de833952a6951a

2) Rather than force users to refresh pages to get line updates, auto-update all lines every x seconds, like Matchbook does.

[debuni]

And adjust you f* withdraw chain.

My withdraw is currently unconfirmed @ blockchain for >13 hours, coming from another unconfirmed transaction,  coming from another unconfirmed transaction...

Edit: confirmed after 25 hours.

[FairlaySupport]

@debuni.  Our fees are currently 50 satoshis per byte. We might have to increase it.

@erol34  We will try to improve the search and provide more market related informations in the search results.

[DarkStar_]

@debuni.  Our fees are currently 50 satoshis per byte. We might have to increase it.

Use dynamic fees instead of a fixed 50 satoshis/byte. Yesterday, the network was really busy (over 30kb in unconfirmed transactions) and required 100 satoshis/byte to get a next block confirmation. bitcoinfees.21.co is good at predicting how much satoshis/byte you need for a quick confirmation, and offer an API so you could use their data. Blocktrail has one as well I believe. No point overpaying when the network barely has any transactions unconfirmed.

[FairlaySupport]

@debuni.  Our fees are currently 50 satoshis per byte. We might have to increase it.

Use dynamic fees instead of a fixed 50 satoshis/byte. Yesterday, the network was really busy (over 30kb in unconfirmed transactions) and required 100 satoshis/byte to get a next block confirmation. bitcoinfees.21.co is good at predicting how much satoshis/byte you need for a quick confirmation, and offer an API so you could use their data. Blocktrail has one as well I believe. No point overpaying when the network barely has any transactions unconfirmed.

Withdrawals are now sent out with dynamic fees.

[negato]

Search seems to be down

[_sunshine_]

I'm angry. I make deposit and bet some before game. Also i wanna hedge my bet in live. And what i have? My bet had some problem every time when i try do it. So i didn't my hedge bet(  I was try 3 or 5 times and every time my bet had error

[MegaKill]

I'm angry. I make deposit and bet some before game. Also i wanna hedge my bet in live. And what i have? My bet had some problem every time when i try do it. So i didn't my hedge bet(  I was try 3 or 5 times and every time my bet had error

same issue I faced during live play, the matching system is terrible, always slow/error due to odds changed! you need to have an option "accept any odds change". or let us input what is lowest odds we will accept. like betfair

[FairlaySupport]

I'm angry. I make deposit and bet some before game. Also i wanna hedge my bet in live. And what i have? My bet had some problem every time when i try do it. So i didn't my hedge bet(  I was try 3 or 5 times and every time my bet had error

same issue I faced during live play, the matching system is terrible, always slow/error due to odds changed! you need to have an option "accept any odds change". or let us input what is lowest odds we will accept. like betfair

We are confident we can sign up another better market maker for live markets in the next months!

We will also see if we can add an option to resubmit taker bets  in case the first bet was not matched.

[Hatcher]

Hello. I'm looking to bet .2 BTC (or more) on Marine Le Pen for the 2017 French Presidential Elections @ Betfair's odds. If anyone is interested, please let me know.

[_sunshine_]

I'm angry. I make deposit and bet some before game. Also i wanna hedge my bet in live. And what i have? My bet had some problem every time when i try do it. So i didn't my hedge bet(  I was try 3 or 5 times and every time my bet had error

same issue I faced during live play, the matching system is terrible, always slow/error due to odds changed! you need to have an option "accept any odds change". or let us input what is lowest odds we will accept. like betfair

We are confident we can sign up another better market maker for live markets in the next months!

We will also see if we can add an option to resubmit taker bets  in case the first bet was not matched.

this is not market maker problem . As i said i make bet and have some error after this market disappears completely from the site, and come back after ~5 min. And i try it 3 or more times and after each try market is disappears and come back for 5 min. So is just unreal a make bet in live