FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds

[FairlaySupport]

Is there any active fairlay communities?(reddit, discord etc) Joined their discord but the last message is a year ago. Cant seems to find any communities, would love to know anyone that is using fairlay as well.

The trollbox is what you are looking for.  
Sportsbookreview  is probably the forum with the highest post activity around Fairlay.

[linan2332]

Thank for the reply! One more question, does fairplay accept USA player?(specifically CA). In case I need to do KYC and then unable to withdraw because I am from US

[linan2332]

Nvm, got a direct answer from one of the admin. They do accept US player but some state might be not allowed.

[linan2332]

Sorry still trying to learn how to use fairlay and have some really noob questions.

I think I still have the mindset of using a sportsbook. Some of the stuff just does not make sense to me, for example this market

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Question 1 - So looks like the odds for TNC to be reach grand final is 8.3 which make sense. but the odds against TNC to reach final is 19.867?(thats just too good to be true)

Question 2 - I see there is ODDS and OFFERED ODDS, is ODDS the actual odds for the bet?(that would make sense but if that is the case what is OFFERE ODDS for?)

Question 3 - I assume liability is the max amount you can bet?

Question 4 - What is the different between taker, market/taker, market maker?
My understanding is taker basically just take the available orders. Market/taker would take the available orders and create additional order if it can fulfill the volume you want. Market maker would create order for both side and basically try to profit from the margin.

Sorry if any of the these questions is dumb.

[SyGambler]

Question 1 - So looks like the odds for TNC to be reach grand final is 8.3 which make sense. but the odds against TNC to reach final is 19.867?(thats just too good to be true)

odds to reach the final is 8.3 correct , but odds against it is 1.053 ( you will find out once you click the red button then the odds will appear in the betting box )
this is called laying , in other words you are taking the opposite bet for someone who wants to get paid 19.867 in case they reach the final
you don't really need to fully understand since as I said you will see the real odds in the betting box once you click the red buttong

Question 2 - I see there is ODDS and OFFERED ODDS, is ODDS the actual odds for the bet?(that would make sense but if that is the case what is OFFERE ODDS for?)

Odds is the real odds you will be getting , same as I explained before
when you lay that specific bet odds is 1.053 ( real odds ) and prefered odds is 19.867 ( you can assume it as the odds for the other guys who is opposing your bet )

Question 3 - I assume liability is the max amount you can bet?

yep when you lay the bet , somehow it doesn't always work for me though so in my experience it's not perfect estimation
it's usually showing when you double click on the selection

Question 4 - What is the different between taker, market/taker, market maker?
My understanding is taker basically just take the available orders. Market/taker would take the available orders and create additional order if it can fulfill the volume you want. Market maker would create order for both side and basically try to profit from the margin.

this section makes you able to put the odds that you want , for example you don't like X8.3 for that team to reach the final and you want X10.00 instead
you simply use that section and create an order , this will let others know that you want X10.00 instead and if someone want to take the opposite of your bet then he will match it
this way you get better odds , but as I stated another player needs to take the other side of the bet so most of the times it will just vanish

[linan2332]

Thank you for answering SyGambler!

That does make a lot of sense! I also heard that for fairlay, once you place your bet there is a 60 sec time frame for the other side to choose whether he wants to accept the bet or not? Is that true?

[SyGambler]

Thank you for answering SyGambler!

That does make a lot of sense! I also heard that for fairlay, once you place your bet there is a 60 sec time frame for the other side to choose whether he wants to accept the bet or not? Is that true?

that never happened with me actually and it shouldn't happen since this is not how exchanges work
the site shouldn't be asking the order makers since these makers already chose the price of their orders and they are just waiting for someone to match them

may I know where you got that info from ?

[erol34]

Thank you for answering SyGambler!

That does make a lot of sense! I also heard that for fairlay, once you place your bet there is a 60 sec time frame for the other side to choose whether he wants to accept the bet or not? Is that true?

No, but they do have about what appears to be ~500 ms to decide.  Also, sometimes the MMs will play games and not fill your whole order even though the market doesn't move and no else got filled ahead of you.  I.e., Fairlay does not force its MMs to accept a full order or to do so instantaneously, even is they are displaying sufficient size.

[justdimin]

I have always found this website intriguing and very different but never really understood how it worked and GUI is basically an elementary school level thing.

It is really for experts like it claims because no newbie would come here and start gambling right away it is impossible, I know there are already expert people who then move to here but with this GUI that is very difficult to navigate and find what you want plus the concept being hard to understand it would be really hard to acquire new people all the time, it would still get some people because of unique levels website has but it would never have thousands of people all rushing to this website, it is impossible because there are not enough people that really understands the system well enough to come together here. Maybe try to make it more noob friendly as well? At least the GUI.

[linan2332]

Ya I agree is definitely a different experience than betting on sportsbook. Personally I dont mind the learning curve, I am just tired of getting account locked and limit by sportsbook once they find out you are a winning player. (In US so I cant use pinnacle)

[linan2332]

SyGambler here is where i found out about the market maker can selectively cancel your bet.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3479633-fairlay.html

[SyGambler]

I have always found this website intriguing and very different but never really understood how it worked and GUI is basically an elementary school level thing.

It is really for experts like it claims because no newbie would come here and start gambling right away it is impossible, I know there are already expert people who then move to here but with this GUI that is very difficult to navigate and find what you want plus the concept being hard to understand it would be really hard to acquire new people all the time, it would still get some people because of unique levels website has but it would never have thousands of people all rushing to this website, it is impossible because there are not enough people that really understands the system well enough to come together here. Maybe try to make it more noob friendly as well? At least the GUI.

it's not designed for newbies , exchanges in general are mainly focused on experienced gamblers or at least gamblers who take betting more seriously
but at the end it's not that hard to learn it , you can learn all what you need to learn within 2 or 3 days of using it

but in general fairlay is more complicated than other exchanges , betfair is much easier to use since they list all of the bets for a certain event under one tab unlike fairlay where the search option shows you all the markets for one event

[linan2332]

I also find it much easier to find the market I want with API than using UI web, since you can define a lot of filters for your search. If you are familiar with programming, it is actually pretty easy to find what you want. I am starting to like the platform more and more   (Still trying to figure out how to act as a market maker.. does anyone know if fairlay has decent volume compare to other crypto prediction/betting exchange?)

[SyGambler]

I also find it much easier to find the market I want with API than using UI web, since you can define a lot of filters for your search. If you are familiar with programming, it is actually pretty easy to find what you want. I am starting to like the platform more and more   (Still trying to figure out how to act as a market maker.. does anyone know if fairlay has decent volume compare to other crypto prediction/betting exchange?)

yeah I heard the same about API but never tried it personally cause I mainly just use fairlay for esports or for the times that they have better price than pinnacle

regarding the volume , it's the most popular exchange so you won't find better volume but most of the times the orders there has just pinnacle price so you can bet on other pinnacle alternatives as well

[linan2332]

Nice to met another esport bettor! 99% of my bet focus on csgo and dota 2
One more question if you don't mind! If I use taker and place the best available odds order, does it guarantee a match?  
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[SyGambler]

Nice to met another esport bettor! 99% of my bet focus on csgo and dota 2
One more question if you don't mind! If I use taker and place the best available odds order, does it guarantee a match?  
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yes unless there is a delay and pinnacle not offering it anymore
I noticed that after one of the esport tipsters starting posting picks for the international and when I tried to see the odds it was the same
but when I tried to bet it told me that there are no orders , so sometimes there are delays where odds aren't available and it takes like 1 or 2 minutes for fairlay to update the odds

that's for esports since as you notice liquidity is small and you can't bet over 100 euros most of the times , with the popular sports this usually doesn't happen

[linan2332]

All these Esport market are created by fairlay themselves? or did some user created it? Who put the initial unmatch order in?

Also when trying to bet on certain match for example xxx vs yyy 1st map, there are always some duplicated empty market. Is that a bug? or did some user create those duplicated market?

Liquidity is definitely small right now for esport even when I am betting on sportsbook. When I was betting on sportsbook, I tend to use my betting bots to place bet 24 hours so even though individual bets are small but the volume is still decent for me. Trying to do the same for fairlay.

[SyGambler]

All these Esport market are created by fairlay themselves? or did some user created it? Who put the initial unmatch order in?

Also when trying to bet on certain match for example xxx vs yyy 1st map, there are always some duplicated empty market. Is that a bug? or did some user create those duplicated market?

Liquidity is definitely small right now for esport even when I am betting on sportsbook. When I was betting on sportsbook, I tend to use my betting bots to place bet 24 hours so even though individual bets are small but the volume is still decent for me. Trying to do the same for fairlay.

the markets for esports and pretty much all the other markets in fairlay are created by pinnacle sportsbook , so the price for esport and other sports is usually the same as pinnacle ( rarely better in case someone created better order )
for esports never seen anyone creating orders , all the times the prices are quoted from pinnacle

when you see empty market it means either pinnacle removed betting for that market or someone just placed big bet and pinnacle suspended the betting till they change the odds

[linan2332]

so someone is probably creating all those market with pinnacle odds?(probably using a bot to scrap pinnacle odds and automatically create market base on that)  do we know if that is a user or fairlay themselves? I dont think pinnacle actually have an account on fairlay and creating all this market...why would they do that 

[SyGambler]

so someone is probably creating all those market with pinnacle odds?(probably using a bot to scrap pinnacle odds and automatically create market base on that)  do we know if that is a user or fairlay themselves? I dont think pinnacle actually have an account on fairlay and creating all this market...why would they do that 

not sure who is exactly putting the orders , but I do know that it's 100% connected with pinnacle
I have made several max bets with fairlay since esports limits aren't that big , and after each max bet that I make the odds in pinnacle will drop as well

which means the orders are connected with pinnacle since pinnacle is adjusting the price as well after max bets , so at least it's someone who match the bets in pinnacle or maybe it's people working for pinnacle or so