★[ANN] [NAV] NAV COIN - Community Fund Live!!!

[Axente]

Just a few words to all those FUDDERS out there.

We've been to the bottom and we've been to the top , so we know both the worlds.

There's no stop for NAV , and FUD is like dust in the wind , it just goes off doesn't stay. Such is NAV strong and resilient , to something who has seen the bottom , there's not low it will go , but steady growth and to the top it is , history has proved this and NAV has proved it again , we are strong and we are moving forward this isn't anything else but the truth.

As some people made snarky remarks of the ANON implementations , NAV wouldn't be what NAV is today and you wouldn't know NAV as you know NAV , if it wasn't different than others out there. And it would not be what it is today if it wasn't special.

NAV is not all about belief , belief in the future no , not at all. We are talking about right here , right now. The things we have done. This is what NAV is , why NAV is NAV. Future is just an addition to what NAV will be , watch and wait.

Put down your sunglasses and look at the world , at NAV for what it is , not comparing it with what else you know.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~
Core Developer - NavCoin

Great words Soopy if only I could plus rep this 

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[sluppy]

Why doesnt the development team explain the clear difference between nav and other annon coins?

I read an article by the developer that was in response to a man who stated nav was not decentralized because of servers and that nav's rich list takes away any possible annon.

Developer came back with some sound respones but stated he was a developer and did not care what nav was worth day to day, and just wanted to create a sound product. Well part of your product Is price point and value, no body is going to adopt nav if it stays at such a low price. That is the world we live in, maybe a few journalist involved in a SJW movment in a 3rd world country might use it. But no one else. Just amazes me that a developer who has worked there ass off would say that about their own product. You have developed a product. A good product should have an appropriate value attached to it. People don't develop engineering software only hoping to sell it for 5 bucks a disk.

Very few investors and traders understand code like software engineers and developers. 1 percent maybe? Espically the niche coding that is block chains.

A huge amount of investment is from laymen. Yet much of this huge investment oppurtunity is being missed because there has been no clear explanation why nav is different then other annon coins.

I know what DD so do many others. You don't need to understand complex pipeline logistics to invest in Naural gas futures, companies, or infrastructure. You just need proper DD.

But there is almost 0 information for the layman out there, which makes up a huge amount of potential investment in this asset.

Also where is nav coins PR team?

And why do people expect nav to jump just because of media? You can only hype media so long, eventually people need to see results.

Some good points and at least constructive.

I think we all need to get away from the how does it compare to other coins. As a 2+year investor in Nav I asked many of the same questions but have learned the following that sets Nav out from the rest.

1) No premine, no funding - ALL development has been funded by the devs with the occasional "chip in" for things like server costs etc, from the community.
2) Dedicated, long serving, trusted dev team - They are still here and still delivering what they promised.
3) List of implemented features that the community values, not just adding of the latest crypto buzzword.
4) An active dev team - they all post on here and DO answer questions.

You can buy pr, marketing if you have the capital - see above Nav has NO funding. Talent however is harder to buy. Try and hire someone as technically savvy as these guys with what they have achieved for ZERO salary? what they have achieved in the last few months alone is far greater than ANY coin. $3 million market cap from very little marketing with zero funding? Thats pretty good going in my eyes, just imagine if they had the pockets of one of the top 10 coins for marketing? Or the number of devs / backroom staff?

Judging a coin by your own standards is never a good thing. Not everyone is after a fast buck -

I have bought nav at 300 sats, 800 sats, 2000 sats, 4500 sats and more recently 10000 sats.

I used to moan about the lack of x or y (look back through my 2+ years of posts 99% are about Nav) but credit where it is due they have ALWAYS delivered more than they said they would with cherries on top. What they have achieved is nothing short of amazing and have the talent, tech and staying power for the long haul.

I will probably get flamed for being a Nav yes man as I am bigging up what they have done and continue to, but I am NOT part of the dev team. I am just an investor that found something interesting that had a certain something. Yes for me it has been very profitable, but I keep buying as I know this is still the infancy of something much much bigger.

well said.
*all these xx post accounts posting negative stuff go straight to the ignore list.

[pakage]

Developer came back with some sound respones but stated he was a developer and did not care what nav was worth day to day, and just wanted to create a sound product. Well part of your product Is price point and value, no body is going to adopt nav if it stays at such a low price. That is the world we live in, maybe a few journalist involved in a SJW movment in a 3rd world country might use it. But no one else. Just amazes me that a developer who has worked there ass off would say that about their own product. You have developed a product. A good product should have an appropriate value attached to it. People don't develop engineering software only hoping to sell it for 5 bucks a disk.

I think you're missing the point of cryptocurrencies. They are infinitely divisible and largely a value transfer system, at least at this point.

Lets say i want to send you 10 BTC anonymously, so i convert them to NAV and send you the NAV via the anon network, you cash them out at the other end back into BTC and go on with your day knowing that no one can connect the NAV or the BTC in anyway to the original source. It is completely irrelevant to the technology or the end result whether 10 BTC buys 100,000 NAV or 100 NAV.

It's exactly the same with Bitcoin and Fiat currencies. If i want to send you $100 overseas and I use Bitcoin to make the transaction, it is completely irrelevant if that buys 10 BTC or 0.1 BTC.

Do you understand my point? This is why i am unconcerned with the price, it actually has no effect on adoption or the end usage of what we are building. All i want is to build something that can offer people a safe way to ensure their financial privacy when making online transactions.

In regards to the ELI5 version of the Anon Transaction system. If you read my previous posts I'm sure you'll find some good information there.

Sophia is also working on an ELI5 summary of the Whitepaper for the general public.

Cheers,
Craig

[Diego24]

You guys are just building a 1to1 2nd navcoin blockchain where you mix the coins with a masternode-like system.

Your comment is equally retarded as "You are just using bytes like a windows XP like system". There is a very clear difference between what the second blockchain does and what a masternode does. But unfortunately, people that are smart (or think they are smart) have the hideous character trait that they are always ready to spit negative comments about someone's else work.

[tubehand]

SUPPY. Your style  is amazing and is that of censorship. Others will read this conversation spread and you will turn off future users and investors due to your draconian style disagreements. Your one comment will turn off new eyes more than all those fud comments will.

 I came in here with legitimate questions. Not accusations. I know a few other post before me came in and crafted a few sentences of shit. But I did not.

I have read this whole thread.  I DON'T need 1000 comments to verify anything. Some of us work 100 hours a week and do not have time to contribute to everything, instead I usually lurk and digest.

As far as end to end transaction and distribution and value from btc to nav or xmr and back. I understand that.  But if we look at price futures 10 years down the line BTC might be out competed by new alt coins just as the first airlines were out competed buy the airlines of today.

Cryptocurrencys are classified as an asset and will continue to be. More and more regulation will come in, and every day more and more tradional traders, laymen, and investors are coming from other markets and industry.

I also spend a 100 hours a week 7 days a week on projects away from home. I would hate all the hard work put in by the team I work with never being utlized, and at the end of the day product support comes from investors, and then commercial and industrial implmentation comes from a user base with healthy organic growth.  The way to achieve that is the value of said asset, and the potential return it can deliever to investors. If you never achieve that, you will never get a user base and the product and all the hard work falls into the grave.

I have no doubt your product is awesome. This is one of the few forms where the developers are not in and out and consumed by ego and drama.

I just no price point is just as important as the product. Pice point attracts investors and investors help grow the user base.

With an annon coin the more users the bettter. Especially if your looking to set up a decentralized server system.

Thanks for all the answers

And yes I have plenty of BTC in this

Part of investing Is risk. DD only goes so far as well as insider information.

[hashforce101]

It's Wonderful to See & Read the New NAV White Paper. It also looks visually appealing. The NAV logo is very appealing and the entire project visually has paid off I must say.

Its wonderful to read that the changes implemeted in the New NAV Anon puts us into the home stretch for Decentralization of the entire Transaction system.

So NAV Anonymous Network testing will start soon with the nessarry checks and testing.

The NAV community would like to see a World Class Product come to Market. With a World Class Marketing Campaign to showcase the Ease of Use of the NAV Anonymous sending .

With Decentralization the code will be revealed. Many copy and paste coins will arrive. BUT always remember that you where the Original Pioneers of crypto innovation
which is the NAV Subchain.

When NAV Coin brings to Market a Anonymous sending Mobile wallet this coin will set records.


We are the Number 1 Community Coin on the Planet
We will be the Number 1 Anonymous Cryptocurrency on the Planet

The NAV Coin Development Team deliver above and beyond what they promise . 0 Doubts

Patience is the key. Its just a matter of Time

HaShForce101

https://youtu.be/RZD982yrmx4
 

[pakage]

The way to achieve that is the value of said asset, and the potential return it can deliever to investors. If you never achieve that, you will never get a user base and the product and all the hard work falls into the grave.

Fair comments. I guess, if you want to look at the historical price charts, we are currently sitting at around 40 x our All Time Low, so i guess you could consider that a pretty good investment for whoever bought those coins!  

[madmario]

If You ask me , its good time to buy some

[colvano]

My NAV wallet shows me the following transaction in the transaction menu. It seems like the staking is not going on at the moment. Has been like this for almost 48 hours. Any way to solve this?

Status: conflicted
Date: 26-9-2016 07:49
Source, Generated
Debet: 0.00 NAV
Netto amount: -463.83684931 NAV
Transaction-ID:: e1e10fa83ee332ba7633886552494ed8b9375035bde26c546537ca4292b24e86-000

Generated coins must mature 60 blocks before they can be spent. When you generated this block, it was broadcast to the network to be added to the block chain. If it fails to get into the chain, its state will change to "not accepted" and it won't be spendable. This may occasionally happen if another node generates a block within a few seconds of yours.

[tubehand]

I agree

40x is great

And 28x has done justice for me

[igona1960]

NAVcoin windows wallet  works well on ubuntu 16.04 with emulator wine.

I could not install the original for linux, now with wine there is no problem.

The wallet is stored in: home -. wine - drive_c - users - "user name" - application data - NavCoin2   (wine folder is hidden, you must choose show hidden files)

https://s9.postimg.org/c0t974pqn/NAV_wine.png

[hashforce101]

Wealth distribution around the world is terrible. Some have countless Billions and others live with waterless soil and wait behind trucks for a bucket of rice and a cup of flour.

Always appreciate what you have. As all the money in the world is never enough.  

Build the Buy Wall   u little Whale's and support this project

[xtrembash]

Hi team

pls make a bootstrap  every 1-2 days ...

6 days ago atm => freez a lot on my ssd c300 crucial..  mass orphan stuck.. 100% usage..
a lot of hours in order to synchro only few days..

"Houston, we have a problem"

Vericoin or Vcash or ShadowCash are so sweet to synchro for example..

[X1235]

Two questions. Thank you in advance.

1) I am right that your concept is 100% anon, in contrast to Dark and Monero?

2) Yet, it requires the same architecture like the Dark's masternodes but embedded in the wallet? If so, what's the NAV advantage over Dark?

[Sampey]

Hi NAV Community, today i sold a C.A.T. Copy for 6200 NAV.
NAV Is accepted as C.A.T. payment : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507103.msg5590877#msg5590877

 

[pakage]

My NAV wallet shows me the following transaction in the transaction menu. It seems like the staking is not going on at the moment. Has been like this for almost 48 hours. Any way to solve this?

Status: conflicted
Date: 26-9-2016 07:49
Source, Generated
Debet: 0.00 NAV
Netto amount: -463.83684931 NAV
Transaction-ID:: e1e10fa83ee332ba7633886552494ed8b9375035bde26c546537ca4292b24e86-000

Generated coins must mature 60 blocks before they can be spent. When you generated this block, it was broadcast to the network to be added to the block chain. If it fails to get into the chain, its state will change to "not accepted" and it won't be spendable. This may occasionally happen if another node generates a block within a few seconds of yours.

you could try running repairwallet from the debug console. Just want to check that your wallet is also definitely unlocked for staking right?

I've uploaded an up to date version of the block chain to the website if that helps anyone having syncing issues.

http://navcoin.org/downloads

[mogrith]

Changed from Tor (tor was running) to Navnet and I'm synched up and staking again.

[hashforce101]

So the following statement would be correct.



"NAV COIN 2.0 is or will be running 2 types of Anonymous options. TOR and The Unbeakable Code. "

Correct or incorrect

[pakage]

So the following statement would be correct.



"NAV COIN 2.0 is or will be running 2 types of Anonymous options. TOR and The Unbeakable Code. "

Correct or incorrect

They fulfil different purposes.

Sending a Navtech Anon Transaction makes the transaction untraceable on the Nav Coin blockchain.

Using Tor hides your IP address from the Nav Coin Network when you're making transactions or syncing the blockchain.

The ultimate would be to Send Navtech Anon Transactions while using Tor, hiding both your IP address and making the blockchain records untraceable. I am yet to test this, but in theory there's no reason why it wouldn't work.

[mogrith]

TOR and anon transfers are different things.

TOR is up and running now. You can synch and stake your wallet on TOR hidden services. so your IP will not appear in any peer list

check website or search this tread for how to make a navcoin.conf that will use TOR. this works now

Code:

20:25:21

getpeerinfo


20:25:22

[
{
"addr" : "navfxoktwa7zu3m2.onion:8443",
"services" : "00000000",
"lastsend" : 1475033066,
"lastrecv" : 0,
"bytessent" : 124,
"bytesrecv" : 0,
"conntime" : 1475033066,
"pingtime" : 0.00000000,
"version" : 0,
"subver" : "",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : -1,
"banscore" : 0,
"syncnode" : false
},
{
"addr" : "navfxfkchwclvpbj.onion:8443",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1475033086,
"lastrecv" : 1475033090,
"bytessent" : 373,
"bytesrecv" : 3987,
"conntime" : 1475033082,
"pingtime" : 4.30624600,
"version" : 61400,
"subver" : "/NavCoin:3.6.0/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 362192,
"banscore" : 0,
"syncnode" : false
},
{
"addr" : "navfxujp7ninsup6.onion:8443",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1475033101,
"lastrecv" : 1475033117,
"bytessent" : 373,
"bytesrecv" : 4077,
"conntime" : 1475033090,
"pingtime" : 2.04411700,
"version" : 61400,
"subver" : "/NavCoin:3.6.0/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 362192,
"banscore" : 0,
"syncnode" : false
},
{
"addr" : "navcavlevqgjzozx.onion:8443",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1475033101,
"lastrecv" : 1475033101,
"bytessent" : 373,
"bytesrecv" : 212,
"conntime" : 1475033097,
"pingtime" : 3.25618700,
"version" : 61400,
"subver" : "/NavCoin:3.6.0/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 362192,
"banscore" : 0,
"syncnode" : false
}
]

So I'm connected and staking but my IP is masked by TOR. Now If I was to send or receive NAV the address will be on the normal blockchain and not anon.