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August 08, 2014, 12:12:37 AM
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Catia now delivers for you 2.5MH of raw speed on 750ti. For free as per usual. Now let those complaints roll!

Great Smiley Any chance this will compile on windows? I saw "Win32 work and 2.5MH"  Huh

I've put a solid 24 hours into getting it to compile on windows. Unknown even if any real progress was made. That toolchain is so fubar.
any info on how to compile on window ?

Probably the best approach is too add support for 1gh pool to ccminer. Getting cpu-miner codes to compile under MSVC is a nightmare. Probably won't work. So far the extent of progress is getting cpu-miner.c to compile. Whether we can get the rest of the codes to compile, or eventually link with some magic libcurl and libpthread which is compiled with msvc and we don't have is a serious unknown.
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August 08, 2014, 12:14:36 AM
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New gpu miner code released with 50% speed up. Unfortunately this is an arms race we can't really win. Anything I do Wolf will take to improve his miner. Best we can hope for is to make improvements he already has.

I am trying the latest gpu code. I am getting about 1.7-1.8mh (after 30mins).  It is much better and we are back in the game.  Thanks for your effort!

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August 08, 2014, 12:18:47 AM
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Catia now delivers for you 2.5MH of raw speed on 750ti. For free as per usual. Now let those complaints roll!

Great Smiley Any chance this will compile on windows? I saw "Win32 work and 2.5MH"  Huh

I've put a solid 24 hours into getting it to compile on windows. Unknown even if any real progress was made. That toolchain is so fubar.
any info on how to compile on window ?

Probably the best approach is too add support for 1gh pool to ccminer. Getting cpu-miner codes to compile under MSVC is a nightmare. Probably won't work. So far the extent of progress is getting cpu-miner.c to compile. Whether we can get the rest of the codes to compile, or eventually link with some magic libcurl and libpthread which is compiled with msvc and we don't have is a serious unknown.

I can provide you with libcurl and libpthread, if you need them. But the actual getting the cpuminer shit to compile is hell.

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August 08, 2014, 12:36:01 AM
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New gpu miner code released with 50% speed up. Unfortunately this is an arms race we can't really win. Anything I do Wolf will take to improve his miner. Best we can hope for is to make improvements he already has.

The way you "win" is by getting to parity (where neither can significantly beat the other) and there a level playing field so mining is maximally decentralized instead of concentrated with the one or two people with the best miners.

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August 08, 2014, 12:45:13 AM
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New gpu miner code released with 50% speed up. Unfortunately this is an arms race we can't really win. Anything I do Wolf will take to improve his miner. Best we can hope for is to make improvements he already has.

The way you "win" is by getting to parity (where neither can significantly beat the other) and there a level playing field so mining is maximally decentralized instead of concentrated with the one or two people with the best miners.



Parity is just not possible. If I develop a super ultimate sha512 for example that brings us up to same performance as Wolf. Then Wolf will just use it, along with his optimized other hashes and once again be better. Wolf will always be faster because he has my optimizations plus his own.

What would be nice is getting rid of rejects. For some reason our client is losing a lot of hash and wolf isn't. We could much faster if that were fixed. This is not cuda problem, but some issue in 1gh miner. Potentially caused by my screwing with it to try and get it to compile on windows. Windows kills even linux miner :/

Also I'd like to gripe a little about miner donations. Let me count them for you all. 1,2,3,4, no wait, no donate, none
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August 08, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
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Parity is just not possible.

Huh? Low self esteem or something?

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If I develop a super ultimate sha512 for example that brings us up to same performance as Wolf. Then Wolf will just use it, along with his optimized other hashes and once again be better. Wolf will always be faster because he has my optimizations plus his own.

So you (or not necessarily you personally but anyone who is interested in seeing this PoW succeed) optimize the other hashes too.

Wolf0 doesn't have some magic secret hash code optimizing machine delivered him by aliens from the future. He's just tweaking code. He's not the only one who can tweak code.
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August 08, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
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So you (or not necessarily you personally but anyone who is interested in seeing this PoW succeed) optimize the other hashes too.

Wolf0 doesn't have some magic secret hash code optimizing machine delivered him by aliens from the future. He's just tweaking code. He's not the only one who can tweak code.

Yeah there is one other person, me. There's like 10000 things to optimize and he will always be one step ahead. He will always stand on the sholders of the OSS miner. My only goal is to make it so he has to do huge amounts of work for small gain. If rejects were fixed he's only got 20% on us and I have some ideas to get that down.
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August 08, 2014, 01:04:15 AM
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There IS something to be said for healthy competition....

It IS fucking sad that more folks are not stepping up. Catia's time would be much better spent working on the client and not a miner.

This post sums up why all this bullshit is a scam
Read It. Hate It. Change the facts that it represents.
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August 08, 2014, 01:05:27 AM
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Parity is just not possible.

Huh? Low self esteem or something?

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If I develop a super ultimate sha512 for example that brings us up to same performance as Wolf. Then Wolf will just use it, along with his optimized other hashes and once again be better. Wolf will always be faster because he has my optimizations plus his own.

So you (or not necessarily you personally but anyone who is interested in seeing this PoW succeed) optimize the other hashes too.

Wolf0 doesn't have some magic secret hash code optimizing machine delivered him by aliens from the future. He's just tweaking code. He's not the only one who can tweak code.


While I'm not the best, I'm good at what I do, and I have plenty of time to spend on it.

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August 08, 2014, 01:10:51 AM
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Also I'd like to gripe a little about miner donations. Let me count them for you all. 1,2,3,4, no wait, no donate, none
i've sent you 100 coins (24h worth of desktop mining)
hopefully the ones with big irons will follow the example Wink

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August 08, 2014, 01:14:56 AM
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So you (or not necessarily you personally but anyone who is interested in seeing this PoW succeed) optimize the other hashes too.

Wolf0 doesn't have some magic secret hash code optimizing machine delivered him by aliens from the future. He's just tweaking code. He's not the only one who can tweak code.

Yeah there is one other person, me. There's like 10000 things to optimize and he will always be one step ahead. He will always stand on the sholders of the OSS miner. My only goal is to make it so he has to do huge amounts of work for small gain. If rejects were fixed he's only got 20% on us and I have some ideas to get that down.

That's what I call parity. Once you pick the low hanging fruit, Amdahl's Law kicks in and yeah there might be 10000 things to optimize but reducing each to zero only buys you 0.01%. Plus there is nothing to prevent other people who want to see this coin succeed from contributing tweaks to the open source as well.

Concentrated mining by people with more efficient miners is bad for the coin, especially early on. That's one reason why I slammed your use of an immature PoW instead of one that is already well optimized. But if you (meaning anyone who wants to see the PoW succeed) are willing to put in the effort and get to parity, you can make it work.

BTW, you can't be the only one in the world trying to implement fast open source hashing on GPUs right?

BTW #2, I can't even find where to donate for the miner work. If I can't find it I'm sure some others can't find it either. Nothing in the README for example.


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August 08, 2014, 01:29:14 AM
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Catia now delivers for you 2.5MH of raw speed on 750ti. For free as per usual. Now let those complaints roll!

Great Smiley Any chance this will compile on windows? I saw "Win32 work and 2.5MH"  Huh

I've put a solid 24 hours into getting it to compile on windows. Unknown even if any real progress was made. That toolchain is so fubar.
any info on how to compile on window ?

Probably the best approach is too add support for 1gh pool to ccminer. Getting cpu-miner codes to compile under MSVC is a nightmare. Probably won't work. So far the extent of progress is getting cpu-miner.c to compile. Whether we can get the rest of the codes to compile, or eventually link with some magic libcurl and libpthread which is compiled with msvc and we don't have is a serious unknown.

for some unknown reason, I get only rejected with ccminer (both 1gh and testnet).
The share/block are compared to cpu it matches but got rejected (or stale...)

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August 08, 2014, 01:33:53 AM
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Also I'd like to gripe a little about miner donations. Let me count them for you all. 1,2,3,4, no wait, no donate, none
i've sent you 100 coins (24h worth of desktop mining)
hopefully the ones with big irons will follow the example Wink
301.02 XCN sent from my CPU mining adventures, hopefully someone releases a Windows GPU binary, as I am apparently not yet skilled enough for compiling.
Holding the rest as it seems price is actually going up! ever since the GPU was publicly released, can't explain that! Bought some more with BTC and then sold for 5% profit, so a nice spread for investors as well.
Though I tried this earlier and bought in at 7000...so...yeah...still paying for that lol.

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August 08, 2014, 01:52:30 AM
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Concentrated mining by people with more efficient miners is bad for the coin, especially early on. That's one reason why I slammed your use of an immature PoW instead of one that is already well optimized.
At the end of the day you are right, we probably should have went with an existing PoW algorithm instead of creating a new one, but at the time we had good reasons for doing it that way and it seemed like a good idea. But it was a sub-optimal design decision, and if I could turn back time the one thing I would change is the PoW algorithm. But it's done now and we can't change it, so I don't know why you have to rant about it for 50 pages. I think we have got the point by now, you don't like new PoW algorithms. It's not like it's the end of the world, the long mining period will do much to offset any big miners in these early stages, and the private GPU miners will be made publicly available soon enough. All new PoW algorithms take time to be optimized, and complaining about it isn't going to get it done.

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August 08, 2014, 02:08:11 AM
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New miner up. Getting 3970kh/s on some X16 connected 750ti. Sufferage on X1 to only about 3MH. Can probably reduce memory transfer with some effort to do 4 on even X1. Gonna hold off on that until the wolf gives us run though.
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August 08, 2014, 02:08:30 AM
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At the end of the day you are right, we probably should have went with an existing PoW algorithm instead of creating a new one, but at the time we had good reasons for doing it that way and it seemed like a good idea. But it was a sub-optimal design decision, and if I could turn back time the one thing I would change is the PoW algorithm. But it's done now and we can't change it, so I don't know why you have to rant about it for 50 pages. I think we have got the point by now, you don't like new PoW algorithms. It's not like it's the end of the world, the long mining period will do much to offset any big miners in these early stages, and the private GPU miners will be made publicly available soon enough. All new PoW algorithms take time to be optimized, and complaining about it isn't going to get it done.

I think you're off base here.

I haven't ranted on it for 50 pages. Since we originally discussed it I mentioned it once or twice. In this context it had to do with the need to optimize the one you have, in fact I was encouraging the catia's efforts, and if you read between the lines of my post I was offering to donate to support that effort.

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August 08, 2014, 02:32:12 AM
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New miner up. Getting 3970kh/s on some X16 connected 750ti. Sufferage on X1 to only about 3MH. Can probably reduce memory transfer with some effort to do 4 on even X1. Gonna hold off on that until the wolf gives us run though.

I'm getting 3.5MH/s on yours - still better than mine. Well done; time for me to go to work.

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August 08, 2014, 02:45:47 AM
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New miner up. Getting 3970kh/s on some X16 connected 750ti. Sufferage on X1 to only about 3MH. Can probably reduce memory transfer with some effort to do 4 on even X1. Gonna hold off on that until the wolf gives us run though.
compiled but cannot run minerd.
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Try `minerd --help' for more information.

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August 08, 2014, 03:01:47 AM
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Concentrated mining by people with more efficient miners is bad for the coin, especially early on. That's one reason why I slammed your use of an immature PoW instead of one that is already well optimized.
At the end of the day you are right, we probably should have went with an existing PoW algorithm instead of creating a new one, but at the time we had good reasons for doing it that way and it seemed like a good idea. But it was a sub-optimal design decision, and if I could turn back time the one thing I would change is the PoW algorithm. But it's done now and we can't change it, so I don't know why you have to rant about it for 50 pages. I think we have got the point by now, you don't like new PoW algorithms. It's not like it's the end of the world, the long mining period will do much to offset any big miners in these early stages, and the private GPU miners will be made publicly available soon enough. All new PoW algorithms take time to be optimized, and complaining about it isn't going to get it done.

I beg to differ on this.  Having a new POW algo is not the problem. In fact, it is an innovative move and it is a plus.  Forget about scrypt and scrypt-n, they are becoming boring. Many of these coins are dying. Forget about X11,13,14,15..whatever.  People would call you a clone.  You have done well with a new algo.  Fresh from oven.  Smelling good! Give yourself a pat.

When you have a few miners having their own power private mining software, the coin ends up centralised within a few hands. This is bad. People do not have confidence when a coin is being controlled by a few people.  You need mass adoption.  The way to go is to level the playing field as much as possible.  And this is what Catia has done.  You may have set a bounty for a gpu miner earlier on and you would have ended up with fewer unhappy faces.  Nevertheless, it is not too late. In fact, we are still at the early birth of the coin.  You have proved to have good listening ears and you have attended to the users'/miners' needs.  As more miners become comfortable and confidence of XCN, they would become holders of the coin. Investors would join in. This is when the value of XCN would grow steadily. We would be seeing a bright future in XCN.

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August 08, 2014, 03:05:00 AM
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New miner up. Getting 3970kh/s on some X16 connected 750ti. Sufferage on X1 to only about 3MH. Can probably reduce memory transfer with some effort to do 4 on even X1. Gonna hold off on that until the wolf gives us run though.
compiled but cannot run minerd.
only can run minerd --help
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 ./minerd -a m7 -o stratum+tcp://xcnpool.1gh.com:7333 -u CPtc1bSfyVLVRXna1yf8eJD6oZzxLwJBbT -p x -t 6
Try `minerd --help' for more information.

 ./minerd -V
cpuminer 2.4
 built on Aug  8 2014
 features: x86_64 SSE2 AVX AVX2 XOP
libcurl/7.35.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1f zlib/1.2.8 libidn/1.28 librtmp/2.3
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