[ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes

[victoryboy]

Couldn't we just let this shitcoin die quietly ??

You underestimate the power of community this coin still have have huge success and can bounce back .

[gjhiggins]

Ziftr sounds scammy.

Maybe so but it is basically legit and, for a change, they actually make coherent statements about their offer (which I include here as an exemplar):

“ziftrCOIN, the gateway coin to mainstream cryptocurrency adoption, aims to onboard the next 10 million cryptocurrency users by putting cryptocurrency into the hands of consumers and enabling them to conduct simple, secure transactions at their favorite online merchants.”

fwiw, I consider that to be a competent and clear expression (notably contrasting with the usual incoherent babble of bct OPs).

Doing Business As (DBA) statement from www.ziftrcoin.com:  “This User Agreement ("Agreement") is a contract between you ("you," "your" or "user") and myVBO, LLC , DBA as Ziftr and ziftrCOIN ("ziftrCOIN" "we", "us" or "our") and applies to your use of: (a) the ziftrCOIN website located at ziftrCOIN.com, the ziftrCOIN API, and any associated ziftrCOIN hosted websites or mobile applications (collectively the "ziftrCOIN Site"), and (b) any of the services provided to you by myVBO, , doing business as Ziftr and ziftrCOIN (together with the ziftrCOIN Site, the "ziftrCOIN Services")”

myVBO - www.myVBO.com registered details: http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=105672715

Tactics are: a giveaway to drive distribution, provision of a payment system and a list of signed-up merchants. Should be a total no-brainer for any ambitious cryptocurrency effort, anything less is in danger of  being the cryptocurrency analogue of a child's kerbside lemonade stall, charmingly naive and winsomely trivial.

I'm left with a few questions about business involvement in launching a p2p app, like “What’s in it for them?”, “Which parts of the process do they control?” and “If the business owns rights in ziftrcoin, then those rights can be sold or otherwise traded, yes?” They're certainly very free with their rights claims and the wording has been carefully drawn in their favour, as they are bound to do.

Perhaps less of a community and more of a customer base? The production values are certainly a lot higher than the vast majority of altcoins and serve as an excellent example of the scope and depth of logistics support that must accompany an adoption drive if it's to have any real chance of success.


Cheers

Graham

[SkyValeey]

Maybe Mr Spread is running new coin? 

[graydust]

SPR is dead,it's time to go back to invest in DRK 

ZiftrCOIN had a good anti-pool strategy too ;-) (at least for the launch)

ZiftrCOIN wallet is similar with spr. 

Maybe it was just a beta-test for ziftr

Each ziftrCOIN is essentially like a decentralized, digitally issued coupon redeemable on the ziftr merchant network for a guaranteed minimum of $1! In 2015

The last time I heard someone say 'guaranteed minimum' value was XPY which said it would guarantee each one would be worth $20. People pumped loads of money into that, and puff. Its all gone.

Ziftr sounds scammy.

Yes ,Ziftr share alot in common with spr,first cpu miner(still no public gpu miner now,though we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

[gjhiggins]

we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

ziftr “dev” is US registered company myVBO LLC, you've just publicly accused them of fraud. Bad move.


Cheers

Graham

[antonio8]

we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

ziftr “dev” is US registered company myVBO LLC, you've just publicly accused them of fraud. Bad move.


Cheers

Graham

Can you prove they don't have one.

[gjhiggins]

we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

ziftr “dev” is US registered company myVBO LLC, you've just publicly accused them of fraud. Bad move.

Can you prove they don't have one.

That's irrelevant, this isn't the school playground. When legally challenged, the sockmuppet making the accusation is obliged to provide proof in order to defend themselves against a charge of libel. Be careful how you write it if you can't prove it.

Cheers

Graham

[jch9678]

we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

ziftr “dev” is US registered company myVBO LLC, you've just publicly accused them of fraud. Bad move.


Cheers

Graham

I don't think that's fraud, just being deceitful. I dont think this fraud either but after reading this blog post twice

http://blog.ziftr.com/goodbye-sign-to-mine-hello-proof-of-knowledge/

the more it sounds like spr was a test for this coin. If not a test coin then they certainly followed spr's progress. Their conclusions regarding "sign to mine" mirror exactly what happened with spread, whales only being to mine, trusted pools etc.  The timing of this post Feb 25 is pretty suspicious too. Isn't that around the time Mr spread disappeared?  Once their conclusion regarding sign to mine was reached there's no more need for spread. There's no mention of masternodes in ziftr (that I can find) but they would be stupid to not implement those.

But why wouldn't they just keep on developing spread, change it to proof of knowledge and change the name to match their company.

In the post they say they are going to release the code for sign to mine and if it matches spr, I guess we know what happened to Mr spread.  If they retract,  well I guess we know what happened to Mr spread. They could sufficiently change it and release it I guess but I bet there are some pretty good code detectives here. Looks like this is their github https://github.com/Ziftr

Read the blog post, maybe its just the conspiracy theorist in me but then again the timing and conclusions are just uncanny.

[jch9678]

we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

ziftr “dev” is US registered company myVBO LLC, you've just publicly accused them of fraud. Bad move.

Can you prove they don't have one.

That's irrelevant, this isn't the school playground. When legally challenged, the sockmuppet making the accusation is obliged to provide proof in order to defend themselves against a charge of libel. Be careful how you write it if you can't prove it.

Cheers

Graham

The defense (edit: whoops, i mean plaintiff) also has to prove they lost business because of the statement, very tough to do. So I think he's safe. I think he's just having fun anyway. It wouldn't be good PR for zftr to go after anybody and I'm sure they've got bigger fish to fry.

[njs811]

This is an awesome community.

[Rohirrimus]

Hello, I was wondering, is this coing still worth mining, how mutch can one r9 270x earn in about 10 hours? 

[wow!NotAgain]

SPR is dead,it's time to go back to invest in DRK 

ZiftrCOIN had a good anti-pool strategy too ;-) (at least for the launch)

ZiftrCOIN wallet is similar with spr. 

Maybe it was just a beta-test for ziftr

Each ziftrCOIN is essentially like a decentralized, digitally issued coupon redeemable on the ziftr merchant network for a guaranteed minimum of $1! In 2015

The last time I heard someone say 'guaranteed minimum' value was XPY which said it would guarantee each one would be worth $20. People pumped loads of money into that, and puff. Its all gone.

Ziftr sounds scammy.

Yes ,Ziftr share alot in common with spr,first cpu miner(still no public gpu miner now,though we all know dev is mining Ziftr with his gpu miner).

Always private miner that is purpose using new different algorithm  have advantage over others is point

[gjhiggins]

The defense (edit: whoops, i mean plaintiff) also has to prove they lost business because of the statement, very tough to do. So I think he's safe. I think he's just having fun anyway. It wouldn't be good PR for zftr to go after anybody and I'm sure they've got bigger fish to fry.

Well, his post is actually too garbled to allow a canonical parsing but it exposed him as a trolling sockmuppet.

As regards to ziftrCOIN, hallucinating conspiracy shapes in the clouds is mildly entertaining, especially when reality is quite so prosaic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917735.0;all

Cheers

Graham

[jch9678]

The defense (edit: whoops, i mean plaintiff) also has to prove they lost business because of the statement, very tough to do. So I think he's safe. I think he's just having fun anyway. It wouldn't be good PR for zftr to go after anybody and I'm sure they've got bigger fish to fry.

Well, his post is actually too garbled to allow a canonical parsing but it exposed him as a trolling sockmuppet.

As regards to ziftrCOIN, hallucinating conspiracy shapes in the clouds is mildly entertaining, especially when reality is quite so prosaic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917735.0;all

Cheers

Graham

Yes trolls suck.

Good find.  Though I still don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound even though their dev says "both independently implemented their own versions of non-outsourceable cryptopuzzles".  The blog post mentions testing, I'm not sure how ziftr could have tested and come to the conclusions they found without a testing network.  Either way I think it's cool and proof of knowledge sounds interesting and I'm looking forward to see how it performs in the real world.  I don't think 5% bonus is enough for the small miner to offset the small variance pools offer. Anyway like I said good find.  I'm looking forward to see how S2M differs from spr, maybe spr can use some of theirs and vice versa.  I'd say I'm 50/50 now.

[gjhiggins]

Good find.  Though I still don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound

Fair comment. I have the advantage of being a code contributor, so was on nodding terms with Mr Spread. Not that it gives me any better view, just more data to work with and that gets reflected in my personal narrative and, in turn, my writing.

My perspective is that the community has lost a key team member. But that's the extent of it, the existing community of SPR app users survives. This is why p2p was designed to be resilient, after all. It's a bit of a trope but collectively surmounting this kind of setback is supposed to “build character”, time will tell I s'pose.

Cheers

Graham

[coins101]

Good find.  Though I still don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound

Fair comment. I have the advantage of being a code contributor, so was on nodding terms with Mr Spread. Not that it gives me any better view, just more data to work with and that gets reflected in my personal narrative and, in turn, my writing.

My perspective is that the community has lost a key team member. But that's the extent of it, the existing community of SPR app users survives. This is why p2p was designed to be resilient, after all. It's a bit of a trope but collectively surmounting this kind of setback is supposed to “build character”, time will tell I s'pose.

Cheers

Graham

+1

The moment Master Nodes are off the agenda, I'm also off. Other than that, I'll give the project as much support as possible.

Georgem already knows the level of dedication to the cause that I am capable of:

Ok, here it is, in all its beauty. Top 50 Posters, all fabulously awesome people.

It includes all 3133 pages, today.



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[georgem]

Good find.  Though I still don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound

Fair comment. I have the advantage of being a code contributor, so was on nodding terms with Mr Spread. Not that it gives me any better view, just more data to work with and that gets reflected in my personal narrative and, in turn, my writing.

My perspective is that the community has lost a key team member. But that's the extent of it, the existing community of SPR app users survives. This is why p2p was designed to be resilient, after all. It's a bit of a trope but collectively surmounting this kind of setback is supposed to “build character”, time will tell I s'pose.

Cheers

Graham

+1

The moment Master Nodes are off the agenda, I'm also off. Other than that, I'll give the project as much support as possible.

Georgem already knows the level of dedication to the cause that I am capable of:

Ok, here it is, in all its beauty. Top 50 Posters, all fabulously awesome people.

It includes all 3133 pages, today.



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I didn't tell you before, but I am glad you are here.  
I also like the support I see coming from gjhiggins.
I promise you that you will not regret it if you stay around a few months.
(PS we might change the thread though and start a new one, since this has still Mr.Spread written all over it, and dead links wherever you look)

[coins101]

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I promise you that you will not regret it if you stay around a few months.

(PS we might change the thread though and start a new one, since this has still Mr.Spread written all over it, and dead links wherever you look)

I'll be around for longer than a few months.

If everyone else is ok with it, then we can create a new thread and ask the mods to lock this one after 'x' period of time? Or, can we ask them to hide Mr.Spreads email and change control of the thread?

[georgem]

snip-
I promise you that you will not regret it if you stay around a few months.

(PS we might change the thread though and start a new one, since this has still Mr.Spread written all over it, and dead links wherever you look)

I'll be around for longer than a few months.

If everyone else is ok with it, then we can create a new thread and ask the mods to lock this one after 'x' period of time? Or, can we ask them to hide Mr.Spreads email and change control of the thread?

Nice.

I don't know, but the mods here have a reputation of not being very cooperative.

Best thing would be if they lock this thread, yes. But they will probably not even do that.
So we might need your posting powers once the new thread is up, so that the old one disappears into irrelevance and nothingness.  

[coins101]

Is Facebook Friend or Foe for Telecom Operators?
Tensions between phone, Internet industries expected to show at Mobile World Congress

http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-facebook-friend-or-foe-for-telecom-operators-1425258983

"They contend that Internet giants like Facebook Inc. and Google Inc. are profiting handsomely at their expense. The Internet companies offer apps that let users circumvent network operators to make phone calls and send text messages free. They also cash in on the traffic for their ads.

The telecom operators say this strategy upends the economics that make investing in Internet infrastructure viable."

Like I was saying, once you have built a platform, its the applications that run on that platform that matter over the longer-term.

Building a coin that does this or that is ok, but if you can also build a platform to run decentralised applications on - well, then you win.

All the applications that run on the mobile network are worth 10x more than the value of all the network operators that run the infrastructure.

Apps not hardware is what creates value and profit over the longer-term.

That means that master nodes will provide the infrastructure, but its the apps that run on those master nodes that will drive the profit for this project.