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http://cloudminernews.com/the-words-josh-wont-let-me-say/

Very interested article written by a hardcore koolaid drinker. Gives some insigh to the mentality of someone following the herd.

That is beyond a koolaid drinker... clearly written by an uneducated journalistic poser, that has no clue of investing or what "big vendors want". I mean he can be trying to be hip and cool and all that. But if he wrote an article about me and my company like that, I would have an attorney sitting on his front step waiting to serve some papers.

That kind of writing will not attract any whales, vendors, investment bankers, venture capitalist or anything else.... Seriously WTF are these people thinking? This is beyond stupid...  

This is a huge, blatant pump.  This new 'hashcoin' is going to failure in a huge way.

"our Prime Hashlets are not just dumbfuck miner toys with a daily payback. They’re going to control the entire HashCoin blockchain. Yes. They will control every transaction. Read this paragraph again, just to be sure you understand every word. "

So, let me get this straight, GAW sells Hashlet Prime, creates HashCoin, then the Primes 'control' the whole blockchain? Yeah, ok.  


What is amazing about this whole thing is how little GAW understands the roots and reasons for success of bitcoin.  This paragraph (though written by a GAW fanboy, or more likely employee/co-conspirator of Josh), and similar statements made by Josh about how Primes will control the blockchain, proves that far from de-centralized, hashcoin would be under the total control of one company that controls the Primes: GAW.   That is assuming, of course, that there is even such a thing as a Prime and its not all a virtual coin simulation/game which seems at least equally likely.

There is no way any legitimate retailer would take hashcoin when it is controlled by a single company with zero track record in finance.  No way ever.


I must say on the paper hashcoin seems attractive  .

But some remarks are correct  what lack to bitcoin (which decentralized and worth 9 billion dollars ) is adoption by the sales company (amazon etc ..) even if BTC is proven safe from a software point of view .
So I'm still sceptical about adoption by big companies for a coin which is controlled by only one company .

On the other hand , if I put myself on the other side (the sales side) I would be interested by  a coin than can only be spent in my shop (a way to force customer to buy at my place) and than allow me to decrease payment cost  (cost much less than credit card) .

especially if all people who are running the  mining operation are only paid with that coin . (a potential amount of trapped customer).

So for the moment I stick to my position . Divide the risk by 50% : selling 50% of my primes so I ROIed and mine hashpoints with the rest .

The rest of my money will go to some other BTC cloud mining.

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This looks like a decent number of S4s. A rough count shows it's reaching into a PH/s range: one shelf holds 5, one segment (4 shelves) is 20, and there seem to be ~16 segments in one row across the warehouse (320). That's ~600 TH/s in one row. They seem to have some S3s scattered around too. Lights are on, looks like hashing.

I hope they'll make it easy for us and publish the mining addresses finally.

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Leo: And who are the "people with outstanding business experience" that you are referring to?

GAW_CEO:  My silent partners at GAW built the largest bond trading platform in the world

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Stuart Fraser is Vice Chairman and partner of Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P.  Mr. Fraser joined Cantor Fitzgerald in 1983 with Howard Lutnick, the Chairman and CEO, and the two were the first to matriculate from Cantor Fitzgerald's Training Program.

 
Mr. Fraser serves on the Board of Directors and has ownership interests in Great Auk Wireless, an Internet provider and Union Street Media, a Website developer.  

WOW !!!

The first bit of real news we have seen from Homero and it is indeed good, no great news !!

Why is this not being screamed from the roof tops for heaven's sake. This is the major major boost crypto currency needs !! I mean to have such an illustrious market maker like Cantor Fitzgerald investing in crypto coins is a win win for every single coin !!

Someone needs to contact the Wall Street Journal, Boombergs, and every other major financial news outlet and inform them that Hemero Garza just confirmed that Cantor Fitgerald is investing heavily in the new age crypto currency game.

Someone must have contacts to news outlets??  TO THE MOON WE GO !!!

only one I can immediately find is CNN

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/

Hurry people use your collective resources to spread this fantastic news, Cantor Fitzgerald is making a massive play in crypto currencies confirmed by Hermero Gaza CEO of GaW COins and GAw MineRs

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November 07, 2014, 05:45:24 PM
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If you want to discuss and debate the merits of ltcgear, point me to the thread, and we can debate. As far as I understand, this thread is to discuss the merits of GAW and hashlets. So you should probably try and stay close to the topic, rather than dropping to ad hominem.

As for your signature - I did not see any LTC signature campaign on our forum.
It means either: 1. You working for LTC trying to promote their stuff. 2. You are fanboy and you think LTC is the best and only one legit cloud mining. 3. You have some kind of deal with LTC to promote them.

I get the impression that your judgement is biased and you can't be trusted. That is all.

Login with the wrong account to post that?

Either way I'm done with this nonsense. Both of you on ignore.

Put me on your ignore list too.... you are annoying me also.

Thank you for ignoring me kupan787. This in a way proves my point.

As for that guy with multiple accounts... This is also a common tactics on this forum. I could bet you there are more of them on both sides of the fence.
I read a topic in meta about a user with over 40 accounts.

You missed the part where you replied from your sock account maku and were linked to all those other socks.

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November 07, 2014, 05:50:33 PM
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I had to post this cuz i thought it was pretty funny...

http://gawhsi.com/aboutus_light

"Josh Garza is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of GAW High-Speed Internet Inc and Optima Computers, the business from which GAW viagra online order was born."  Grin Grin Grin


I would guess ROI in that business is better than in mining.

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November 07, 2014, 06:04:39 PM
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There is so many running around here crying about anything they can try to make look bad about GAW.   It is amazing.   Shocked   While I never trusted GAW/Zen 100%, I was able to invest a dozen bitcoins and get the full amount back in less than three months.   I also have a pretty good amount of Primes and Zens left.  (>100 of each)  

Succeeding required me to change my plans multiple times and I did get hit with some bad events.   However the environment there isn't anything like the people here make it out to be.   Yes there are problems, but there are also opportunities.  

I don't know how this coin they are working on is going to pan out, but that is the game now.   Since I'm unsure, I'm not going to invest anymore there.   If things change, then I might.  One thing is for sure though, I'm not going to take investment advice from this thread.    Grin

I don't think there is a lot of dispute about early profits. Easy math, someone bought in at $16 or less, cashed out at $30+, who can argue with that.

It doesn't however make everything that GAW does suddenly look bright and shiny. Can you honestly believe that with the current atmosphere on HT you would hear much from the later buyers, you know the ones who bought in at $40, $50 or even at $70? Touting a $100 price on Primes, "halting" sales while allowing resellers to sell "old stock", that's gotta raise some red flags for anyone but the most hard core fans. And there was plenty of that kind of shenanigans going on and still is.

If anything or anyone is making GAW look bad, it's themselves. Most of the crap that gets posted about them is quotes straight from their officials, their sites, and their rabid fans.

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You got hand it to Homero [ Garza; Homero Joshua (East Longmeadow, MA) H. Josh Garza, Chief Executive Officer ] he really has suckered in the most guillable people on the planet, hook line and sinker.

Trying to read that vomitous site of his, they are all happy clappy and giddy about their fantasy coin over taking BTC, giggling about which stores they would like to see accepting it. What their first purchase with their new shiny plastic card will be using it.

Utterly sad. The real scum are the mods-resellers egging them on. These sad little people truly believe they will be mining a coin, each debating the other about diffuclities and network blocks and how their little fake miner things will be pointed to them and start hashing away.

Homero absolutely knows what he is doing. Trolls by now and again, claiming the first round was a sellout and as predicated over-subscribed. Disappears for a day or two to apologies and claim he is 'busy with contracts'  letting those sad freaks believe that that means he must be signing the contracts with the first round investors.

Really really sad that they are all lapping it up. But as one can see by that incredibly nauseating childish forum he created, those that have flocked to it and embrace and actually use all the childish gimmicks it has to offer, this make believe fairy tale he is presenting to them fits right in.

Homero has it all figured out but alas it will all catch up with him. These schemes always end in tears.  Sad



Exactly...

We need a BTC, LTC. Doge tip-bot... May be time to issue a bounty to develop one so we can reward good posts.
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November 07, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
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Leo: And who are the "people with outstanding business experience" that you are referring to?

GAW_CEO:  My silent partners at GAW built the largest bond trading platform in the world

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Stuart Fraser is Vice Chairman and partner of Cantor Fitzgerald, L.P.  Mr. Fraser joined Cantor Fitzgerald in 1983 with Howard Lutnick, the Chairman and CEO, and the two were the first to matriculate from Cantor Fitzgerald's Training Program.

 
Mr. Fraser serves on the Board of Directors and has ownership interests in Great Auk Wireless, an Internet provider and Union Street Media, a Website developer.  

WOW !!!

The first bit of real news we have seen from Homero and it is indeed good, no great news !!

Why is this not being screamed from the roof tops for heaven's sake. This is the major major boost crypto currency needs !! I mean to have such an illustrious market maker like Cantor Fitzgerald investing in crypto coins is a win win for every single coin !!

Someone needs to contact the Wall Street Journal, Boombergs, and every other major financial news outlet and inform them that Hemero Garza just confirmed that Cantor Fitgerald is investing heavily in the new age crypto currency game.

Someone must have contacts to news outlets??  TO THE MOON WE GO !!!

only one I can immediately find is CNN

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/

Hurry people use your collective resources to spread this fantastic news, Cantor Fitzgerald is making a massive play in crypto currencies confirmed by Hermero Gaza CEO of GaW COins and GAw MineRs

I wonder which of these bank's Josh's BEST friend runs? He must have meant a bank in at least the top 100 when he said one of the world's largest right?

https://www.snl.com/InteractiveX/article.aspx?cdid=A-26316576-11566&TabStates=0
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November 07, 2014, 06:31:21 PM
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If you want to discuss and debate the merits of ltcgear, point me to the thread, and we can debate. As far as I understand, this thread is to discuss the merits of GAW and hashlets. So you should probably try and stay close to the topic, rather than dropping to ad hominem.

As for your signature - I did not see any LTC signature campaign on our forum.
It means either: 1. You working for LTC trying to promote their stuff. 2. You are fanboy and you think LTC is the best and only one legit cloud mining. 3. You have some kind of deal with LTC to promote them.

I get the impression that your judgement is biased and you can't be trusted. That is all.

Login with the wrong account to post that?

Either way I'm done with this nonsense. Both of you on ignore.

Put me on your ignore list too.... you are annoying me also.

Thank you for ignoring me kupan787. This in a way proves my point.

As for that guy with multiple accounts... This is also a common tactics on this forum. I could bet you there are more of them on both sides of the fence.
I read a topic in meta about a user with over 40 accounts.

You missed the part where you replied from your sock account maku and were linked to all those other socks.
I never replied from that account! What the hell are you talking about?

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November 07, 2014, 06:37:56 PM
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I wonder which of these bank's Josh's BEST friend runs? He must have meant a bank in at least the top 100 when he said one of the world's largest right?

https://www.snl.com/InteractiveX/article.aspx?cdid=A-26316576-11566&TabStates=0

Maybe the friend he is referring to is actually himself and the bank is hashcoin.

After all, with an expected IPO market cap of $2 billion they would be the 14th largest bank in the world in terms of assets.

And according to their expert analysists, within 12 months the price per coin will rise to $75 ($7.2 billion USD premined) so GAW will have 2.5 times the total assets of the largest bank in the world!

Quite impressive for doing practically nothing.
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November 07, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
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It is nice to finally see the miners we paid for.
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http://cloudminernews.com/the-words-josh-wont-let-me-say/

Very interested article written by a hardcore koolaid drinker. Gives some insigh to the mentality of someone following the herd.

There's a new post there  Grin

http://cloudminernews.com/the-words-josh-wont-let-me-say/#comment-18

And it is gone...

Let's see how long mine lasts... 3... 2.... 1...

UPDATE: 97 seconds... yeah, another verifiable news outlets - not.

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http://cloudminernews.com/the-words-josh-wont-let-me-say/

Very interested article written by a hardcore koolaid drinker. Gives some insigh to the mentality of someone following the herd.

There's a new post there  Grin

http://cloudminernews.com/the-words-josh-wont-let-me-say/#comment-18

And it is gone...

Let's see how long mine lasts... 3... 2.... 1...

UPDATE: 97 seconds... yeah, another verifiable news outlets - not.

Scott-



And it's gone.
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November 07, 2014, 06:57:27 PM
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If you want to discuss and debate the merits of ltcgear, point me to the thread, and we can debate. As far as I understand, this thread is to discuss the merits of GAW and hashlets. So you should probably try and stay close to the topic, rather than dropping to ad hominem.

As for your signature - I did not see any LTC signature campaign on our forum.
It means either: 1. You working for LTC trying to promote their stuff. 2. You are fanboy and you think LTC is the best and only one legit cloud mining. 3. You have some kind of deal with LTC to promote them.

I get the impression that your judgement is biased and you can't be trusted. That is all.


Login with the wrong account to post that?

Either way I'm done with this nonsense. Both of you on ignore.

Put me on your ignore list too.... you are annoying me also.

Thank you for ignoring me kupan787. This in a way proves my point.

As for that guy with multiple accounts... This is also a common tactics on this forum. I could bet you there are more of them on both sides of the fence.
I read a topic in meta about a user with over 40 accounts.

You missed the part where you replied from your sock account maku and were linked to all those other socks.
I never replied from that account! What the hell are you talking about?

It's right here, a few posts up in this quote. I bolded it for you. How is weather in Poland? Hey, any chance you know Panda and bitgeek, rumor has it they're both from Poland too. What a tremendous community of GAW supporters you have down there.

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Same SINGLE side of a non-datacenter grade storage warehouse that has been shown before via various strategically placed camera positions/angles... Again, what is shown does not amount to anything more than few US grocery-store isles worth of hardware and NOWHERE near what is needed to support the infrastructure requirement of what GAW/Zen has been trying to market as a cloud mining service (or spiritually enlightening - industry changing coin that will save the world).

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If you want to discuss and debate the merits of ltcgear, point me to the thread, and we can debate. As far as I understand, this thread is to discuss the merits of GAW and hashlets. So you should probably try and stay close to the topic, rather than dropping to ad hominem.

As for your signature - I did not see any LTC signature campaign on our forum.
It means either: 1. You working for LTC trying to promote their stuff. 2. You are fanboy and you think LTC is the best and only one legit cloud mining. 3. You have some kind of deal with LTC to promote them.

I get the impression that your judgement is biased and you can't be trusted. That is all.


Login with the wrong account to post that?

Either way I'm done with this nonsense. Both of you on ignore.

Put me on your ignore list too.... you are annoying me also.

Thank you for ignoring me kupan787. This in a way proves my point.

As for that guy with multiple accounts... This is also a common tactics on this forum. I could bet you there are more of them on both sides of the fence.
I read a topic in meta about a user with over 40 accounts.

You missed the part where you replied from your sock account maku and were linked to all those other socks.
I never replied from that account! What the hell are you talking about?

It's right here, a few posts up in this quote. I bolded it for you. How is weather in Poland? Hey, any chance you know Panda and bitgeek, rumor has it they're both from Poland too. What a tremendous community of GAW supporters you have down there.

Do you honestly think that because this person answered a question directed to me he is me? What did I even say to be called a shill?
This is getting interesting please go on.

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Do you honestly think that because this person answered a question directed to me he is me? What did I even say to be called a shill?
This is getting interesting please go on.

Yes, I do honestly think that you are him/her. There was no question to answer. You went off topic and into ad hominem, kupan787 pointed that out, you replied from another account trying to justify your POV. Happens even to the best puppet masters. You being from the same timezone and speaking the same language as all those other socks is just icing on the cake. I'm sure you are fairly confident that you didn't leave any other breadcrumbs and you can deny your links to those accounts, and that's fine. Keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll slip up again soon.

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I wonder which of these bank's Josh's BEST friend runs? He must have meant a bank in at least the top 100 when he said one of the world's largest right?

https://www.snl.com/InteractiveX/article.aspx?cdid=A-26316576-11566&TabStates=0

Maybe the friend he is referring to is actually himself and the bank is hashcoin.

After all, with an expected IPO market cap of $2 billion they would be the 14th largest bank in the world in terms of assets.

And according to their expert analysists, within 12 months the price per coin will rise to $75 ($7.2 billion USD premined) so GAW will have 2.5 times the total assets of the largest bank in the world!

Quite impressive for doing practically nothing.

You might have those asset numbers off by about 3 orders of magnitude. The valuation is ridiculous but not yet on that scale.

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The Cantor Fitzgerald connection is interesting and explains a few things.

It makes me even less inclined to buy into hashlets/hashbase/hashcoin whatever and most all of you who own hashlets should think about this carefully.

If GAW has an investment bank(er) behind it (Cantor), they are almost certainly looking to be sold and/or for tiers of equity investors (usually through sales of preferred stock).

Any investor who puts millions of dollars into a company, is going to insist on some level of control (Board rights) and preference on distributions of cash (preferred stock dividend and liquidation preference rights among others).

So, lets say that GAW's next big news item is a huge investment from Bigco and/or Private Equity LLP.  Then, its time to RUN for the hills not celebrate, at least for us peons with hashlets.  Why?  Because those investors don't need us, and they will make sure that any profits that go to hashlet owners will be much smaller than profits that go to them.

The fundamental problem arises from the fact that hashlet owners have zero claim to any asset or mining rights:

(1) There is no limit on the number of hashlets GAW can create.  So even if hashlets are profitable with 5 pethahash of mining power, GAW can issue 2x as many new hashlets and dilute the profit down to any level it wants.

(2) There is no minimum actual hash power required per ghs or mhs of hashlet power issued and outstanding.  If each mhs of sold hashlet was guaranteed to be tied to one mhs of scrypt hashpower contractually, then at least there would be some guarantee of earnings.  But that isn't the case.  One mhs of hashlet power could mean .001 mhs of real hash power.  Who knows?  GAW isn't telling so assume the worst.  And even if the CURRENT ratio is 1:1, the future ratio could be anything and certainly new investors will not care to keep hashlet owners happy - why would they when the same "machine" can make them rich?

(3) There is no guarantee that hashlets will have priority over any other instrument issued by GAW (hashbase, hashcoin, hash-whatever could easily have rights and features that outperform Primes and there is nothing that would be violated contractually by that outcome).  Again, why would new investors allow GAW to gift profit to owners of Primes, when they can just bypass hashlets altogether?

(4) If GAW has plenty of money, and hashbase and hashcoin are the future, then why would GAW (or GAW's new investors) cut in current hashlet owners? Out of the goodness of their hearts?  Maybe, but I bet otherwise.  I have seen too many cases where early investors build a company only to be taken out for nothing by later investors.  Happens all the time.

Good luck to anyone that thinks otherwise.  For myself, if I get a PPM from GAW I will consider an investment in preferred stock but **no way** am I putting money in hashlets now.

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Let's look deeper in to who GAW was and is before this latest Scheme...

Some light reading that may enlighten some of you to what seems to be an ongoing trend and this small group, that makes up GAW/Zen, unchaining M.O. in doing business:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/canaan-vt/THJFBNV4MIFIR075C

Summary -
Support and following through has not been a focus of these individuals.

It appears GAW Wireless really started out as simple cell phone shop that also sold pre-paid calling card/service (the dream that stared hashcard/coin plastic?Huh)
http://www.prepaidarmy.com/store-locator/great-auk-wireless-brattleboro-vt.html

First Business Address (public info):
118 Main St
Brattleboro, VT 05301

They later marketed themselves as an (unregulated) ISP that resold existing hardware/access within a small town environment, which as recent as late last year (just before Josh entered this arena) was proving to be a failure.

Second Business Address (public info):
1300 Putney Rd
Brattleboro, VT 05301
(802) 246-3000


So much info is still out there --

Scott
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