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April 09, 2015, 10:46:06 AM
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Guys, should i unlock and leave the wallet open for staking? Will it faster than close the wallet?
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April 09, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
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I don't know how to install it, I just know how to download it Cheesy

If you have the GMP source, you need to compile it.

./configure --enable-cxx --enable-static --disable-shared --enable-alloca=alloca
(note1: you may have to specify --build=[your hardware] if config.guess gets it wrong)
(note2: using static library gives you a faster miner than shared library)

make

make check (optional test suite before installing)

make install

then run your minerd compile again.

Incidentally, you need other libraries too, such as CURL. Installation is much the same.
I will continue this tomorrow, thank you before, Spexx Cheesy
Also try for debian-like os:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libgmp-dev
I'm using CentOS (RedHat-like) for my vps.
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April 09, 2015, 11:07:42 AM
Last edit: April 09, 2015, 11:21:53 AM by feldenthorne
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I'm using CentOS (RedHat-like) for my vps.

CentOS has RPMs for gmp and gmp-devel. I'd assume you need gmp-devel. So (if you have the standard package manager) you should try:
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yum install gmp-devel

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If that doesn't work, you may have to do something like what's described here: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-November/101183.html.
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April 09, 2015, 11:49:18 AM
Last edit: April 09, 2015, 01:23:42 PM by Spexx
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Well, I think things will work out, we've kind of hashed out the high hash rate whale issue ad nauseam but maybe we can add something to help out the whales... Smiley

I haven't tried this but it seems possible to setup the Magi Multipool to payout when mining with the quark algorithm, (I think this is for CPU mining too).  When the Magi block reward drops, we could have the CPU hash switch to the Multipool and mine with quark (or other CPU algo), and then pay out in XMG.  

Using the multipool could also be a part of PoM because you are providing buy support that is helpful.  

In a way, this might be good for the other coins too if they learn to start limiting their block rewards like XMG does.  (I think this might reduce overall energy use and retain more value in the coin communities supporting the coin if they patterned their block rewards after Magi)  In any case it seems like the whales could hash away for now with all CPU's a blazing and potentially get a much better payout in XMG for the same hash rate, (if that is their goal).  Modifying the sweet spot miner or putting out some directions for doing it might help encourage people to try this.

Work smart, not hard. Some astute thinking there Lightsplasher.

I am not sure that mining Quark in particular is a good idea right now, seeing the collapse in the spot price for that coin, but the idea in principle is sound.

Maybe another simple financial incentive is this:-

OVERMINING: BAD

The current situation is that we have a total hashrate of about 50000 Kh/s
The blockchain produces 480 blocks a day. If these have an average reward of 2 XMG (like now) then the total coins mineable in a day is 960 XMG - let's be optimistic and called that a round 1000 XMG.

So if you are lucky enough to throw 5000 Kh/s at it, the expected share would be:-

1000 times 5000 divide by 50000 = 100 XMG per day

... or in English, about a quid a day - about a quarter of the price of a pint of beer around here and really not worth burning all that electricity for.

Edit: Smaller miner at 25 Kh/s getting 0.5 XMG per day

LIMITED MINING: GOOD

Now I already pointed out that if the 33 miners (that is just 3 percent of all miners) currently throwing over 250 Kh/s at it ALL reduced their output to that level, we would shave about 25000 Kh/s off the total hashrate and start hitting the Sweet Spot. Let's say that average block rewards go up to 30 XMG and have another look.

480 blocks times 30 = 14400 XMG

So if you are throwing 250 Kh/s at it and the total hashrate is now only 25000 you get:-

14400 times 250 divide by 25000 = 144 XMG per day

There you go - 44 percent increase in daily income for one twentieth of the effort electricity cost. Simple arithmetic, no smoke or mirrors, I kid you not, trust me on this.

Edit: Smaller miner at 25 Kh/s getting 14.4 XMG per day

How about average block rewards of 40 XMG? Nicer still.

This ought to be the best incentive. It does however require intelligence and courage to implement the change to a better way. The alternative is to keep chipping away for dust and make everybody else do the same, which is pathetic and stupid, possibly spiteful. Certainly not community-spirited

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April 09, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
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Guys, should i unlock and leave the wallet open for staking? Will it faster than close the wallet?

You need to unlock the wallet for staking.
If you don't unlock the wallet it will do nothing.
I always leave it open. Smiley
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Again you said the right words here Spexx.
When Magi launches the Proof of Mining it will be clearly visible that mining with lower hashrate has more advantages.

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April 09, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
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Well, I think things will work out, we've kind of hashed out the high hash rate whale issue ad nauseam but maybe we can add something to help out the whales... Smiley

I haven't tried this but it seems possible to setup the Magi Multipool to payout when mining with the quark algorithm, (I think this is for CPU mining too).  When the Magi block reward drops, we could have the CPU hash switch to the Multipool and mine with quark (or other CPU algo), and then pay out in XMG.  

Using the multipool could also be a part of PoM because you are providing buy support that is helpful.  

In a way, this might be good for the other coins too if they learn to start limiting their block rewards like XMG does.  (I think this might reduce overall energy use and retain more value in the coin communities supporting the coin if they patterned their block rewards after Magi)  In any case it seems like the whales could hash away for now with all CPU's a blazing and potentially get a much better payout in XMG for the same hash rate, (if that is their goal).  Modifying the sweet spot miner or putting out some directions for doing it might help encourage people to try this.

Work smart, not hard. Some astute thinking there Lightsplasher.

I am not sure that mining Quark in particular is a good idea right now, seeing the collapse in the spot price for that coin, but the idea in principle is sound.

Maybe another simple financial incentive is this:-

OVERMINING: BAD

The current situation is that we have a total hashrate of about 50000 Kh/s
The blockchain produces 480 blocks a day. If these have an average reward of 2 XMG (like now) then the total coins mineable in a day is 960 XMG - let's be optimistic and called that a round 1000 XMG.

So if you are lucky enough to throw 5000 Kh/s at it, the expected share would be:-

1000 times 5000 divide by 50000 = 100 XMG per day

... or in English, about a quid a day - about a quarter of the price of a pint of beer around here and really not worth burning all that electricity for.

LIMITED MINING: GOOD

Now I already pointed out that if the 33 miners (that is just 3 percent of all miners) currently throwing over 250 Kh/s at it ALL reduced their output to that level, we would shave about 25000 Kh/s off the total hashrate and start hitting the Sweet Spot. Let's say that average block rewards go up to 30 XMG and have another look.

480 blocks times 30 = 14400 XMG

So if you are throwing 250 Kh/s at it and the total hashrate is now only 25000 you get:-

14400 times 250 divide by 25000 = 144 XMG per day

There you go - 44 percent increase in daily income for one twentieth of the effort electricity cost. Simple arithmetic, no smoke or mirrors, I kid you not, trust me on this.

How about average block rewards of 40 XMG? Nicer still.

This ought to be the best incentive. It does however require intelligence and courage to implement the change to a better way. The alternative is to keep chipping away for dust and make everybody else do the same, which is pathetic and stupid, possibly spiteful. Certainly not community-spirited

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THAT'S IT!!!!

thanks for an eye opening facts. Great work spexx Wink
Lets just hope big miners will finaly get it.
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April 09, 2015, 02:42:40 PM
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You need to unlock the wallet for staking.
If you don't unlock the wallet it will do nothing.
I always leave it open. Smiley
Thanks 111magic Smiley I guess leave it open is easier to do, lol
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April 09, 2015, 02:45:59 PM
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You need to unlock the wallet for staking.
If you don't unlock the wallet it will do nothing.
I always leave it open. Smiley
Thanks 111magic Smiley I guess leave it open is easier to do, lol
Your welcome amigo!

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April 09, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
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I thought to help spread the hashes a bit and started mining at Maxminers.
There is a miner there named "Radeon290test" who is mining at a hashrate of 5,948 KH/s.
The Radeon 290 is a graphics card, I have these too.
So sadly enough it seems the GPU mining has started for Coin Magi ...?
Really? Its sad that our small miners will never catch up with them... 6MH/s.... lol....
But i guess GPU miners have nothing to do here, unless they want to mine XMG with close-to-zero block value, lol Grin Grin
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April 09, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
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Announcement:
Registration for Magi Proof Of Mining 2015 campaign will start Friday, April 10th.
Keep eyes on thread or Twitter @103tango @coinmagi !
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The Proof of Mining will have some rules for supporting the small and medium miners!
Big miners are not allowed to register!

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Announcement:
Registration for Magi Proof Of Mining 2015 campaign will start Friday, April 10th.
Keep eyes on thread or Twitter @103tango @coinmagi !
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The Proof of Mining will have some rules for supporting the small and medium miners!
Big miners are not allowed to register!
I love the last sentences  Grin
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April 09, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
Last edit: April 09, 2015, 03:35:10 PM by TonySon
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http://www.coinssource.com/coin-magi-a-cpu-miners-dream-proof-of-mining-pos-ii/



One of the most important ideologies behind cryptocurrencies is its ability to be fair, whether it be Bitcoin and its blockchain or its respective side-chain technologies. The overall demand for this “fair” attribute has driven many developers towards finding new and innovative ways of further improving the original transparency offered by Satoshi Nakamoto through the Bitcoin platform.

To give this notion a digital currency perspective, let us look at the original Proof of Work concept developed for Bitcoin. In its early stages, the Bitcoin blockchain was mineable with the use of CPU’s only – the processor within a computer. This, however, changed as the market matured, demand grew and the technology adapted. With this, we witnessed the introduction of GPU miners — using the computer’s graphics card/s — that were much more efficient at doing the work, so CPU miners became obsolete.

The introduction of ASIC miners had the same effect on GPU miners, as they were specifically designed to mine the Bitcoin SHA-256d algorithm. Now, to look at the PoW scenario again, this time with the understanding that we have gained through the trials and errors of Bitcoin and its partner platforms, we may start to see some unfair results. This is where a new crypto hero by the name of Magi has stepped into the scenes, with the aim of restoring the balance between advanced miners and those with smaller resources.

To put this in simple terms, imagine if you were fishing at a lake with a limited number of fish and everyone else that joined did so with a standard rod. What if suddenly people came to the same place with large fishing nets, boats with sensors, and other larger fishing equipment? It would be very easy to see the unfair advantage gained by those with larger and more efficient equipment. This is the same result that the traditional Proof of Work system would produce for regular miners.

Now, imagine that after some time, the fish evolved to a point at which they would sense the larger fishers arriving and would try to hide from everyone, leaving only a few to be caught. Using this analogy, we can see that the only reasonable method to fish would be using the standard fishing rods, as they would not trigger the fish to go into hiding. As a result, the only way to gain more fish is to bring more people to the lake; rather than bringing larger and more efficient equipment. That is where Magi has taken the leap!

A Truly Fair Digital Currency

There are some issues the community has come to face with the original PoW and its rewarding system that is implemented in almost all other PoW-based coins. For one, it favors the early adopters with a much higher payout than those that join the network later on. Secondly, as greater mining hardware was introduced to the market, the less power the outdated miners had. This was as a result of mining farms — a large group of computers put together for mining purposes — backed by large budgets that can at times dominate the mining aspect of a coin.

Magi, on the other hand, has learned from the mistakes of such systems and has introduced its own special rewarding system and its own unique PoS II. It is also of great importance to note its M7M algorithm, which is only mineable with a CPU at this stage. You may start to see the benefits of this algorithm, as the previously outdated mining hardware can now be put to good use. Magi has this proven to be a much more fair platform for miners, as mentioned by a senior Bitcointalk member:


There have also been numerous positive comments left by respected members in relation to the rewarding system and the integrity of being CPU-only:


Unique Algorithm and Awarding System

This appraisal is due to its highly calculated rewarding system and overall algorithm, designed by the Magi developer and founder, Joe Lao. As a scientific researcher, Joe has taken the time to bring something really special to this environment.

The M7M algorithm was introduced to overtake the originally proposed M7 algorithm and limit the possibility of GPU miners taking over the existing CPU miners. This was due to the sequential nature of this algorithm that favors CPUs as they work sequentially, as opposed to GPU mining, which works in parallel. As mentioned on the Nvidia website:



Furthermore, the rewarding system has been strategically designed to favor all miners; not just a few. There is an equilibrium point where the hash rate and block rewards are balanced to produce the most optimal outcome for all miners. As the hash rate increases, the rewards are reduced to encourage fair mining, thus greatly lowering the possibility of a blockchain mining monopoly. As mentioned in the published research paper, written by Joe Lao:


The Magi PoS II system also ensures that people with the largest share of coins in circulation do not have an unfair advantage over those with smaller holdings, by limiting the coin maturity based on the percentage of XMG held.


Strong Foundation for Future Development

Magi was launched on the 15th of September after thorough testing, with only 25,000,000 XMG to be mined through its blockchain. Magi has since risen from its average November price of 0.00002200 BTC on the Bleutrade BTC/XMG market to reach heights of 0.00006000 BTC on November 14th. It is currently being traded on the Bittrex market for 0.00003963 BTC.

As this coin has a limited mining method, we can be assured that it is currently protected from large accumulation and sells that is often seen with other coins. This platform has great potential to rise above the crypto ladder and set a new standard on mining standards and fair distribution through a fully decentralized platform.


Kiss I love XMG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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April 09, 2015, 03:35:16 PM
Last edit: April 09, 2015, 03:48:55 PM by 111magic
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Isn't there a way to limit the maximum hashrate of every miner to in example 25 KH/s  (or any other best suitable amount of KH/s) ?
With 16 CPU threads I got up to approx 150 KH/s but that is too much I guess for a fair mining situation.
I would be a big supporter of a maximum mining hashrate per user.
It would make a lot of future mining worries obsolete and it would be fair to the community.  

Think you have a good point here Digithusiast!
Magi will look into this.
Btw for the Proof of Mining campaign there will be a max hashrate to join.
Iám still thinking about what the max hashrate should be.
150 KH/s or 200 KH/s?

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April 09, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
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I guess the lower the better?
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April 09, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
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Nice eggs dear , you could come prepare mine also...
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April 09, 2015, 04:58:53 PM
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Magic111 I want this tshirt. Where to buy one ?
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April 09, 2015, 05:27:16 PM
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Magic111 I want this tshirt. Where to buy one ?



Mean this one Kondiomir?

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April 09, 2015, 05:36:28 PM
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Yes this one! Wink
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April 09, 2015, 06:04:13 PM
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Yes this one! Wink
I dont know but I also would like to have a t-shirt with the Magi logo. (rather have the one with 7 stars).
No t-shirt shop accepting crypto coins yet?

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April 09, 2015, 06:33:37 PM
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Yes this one! Wink
I dont know but I also would like to have a t-shirt with the Magi logo. (rather have the one with 7 stars).
No t-shirt shop accepting crypto coins yet?

I think this T-shirt isn't for Kondiomir. His size is XXXXL...
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